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The Dolphins' mock: Rounds 1 through 3

This Dolphins draft is as much about quantity as quality only in that the team has to find a way to stave off the Patriots with their legion of five picks in the first three round and the Bills, which have only three picks the first three rounds but are taking their turns at the top of those rounds.

The Dolphins have a first round pick (15th overall) and are not scheduled to pick again until the third round with the 79th overall selection. The Pats will have picked five times by then.

I gave this long consideration as I set out to do my Dolphins mock for the first three rounds.

Having thought about it, I decided the Dolphins must move heaven and Earth to get back that one of two second round picks they used in the trade for, ahem, Brandon Marshall. And that's why my mock includes a trade back for Miami.

I believe the Dolphins will have the opportunity to trade back and for my purposes today I am saying the trade back partner is New Orleans. The Saints, you see, are a team on the cusp of playing for another title. They are thisclose to getting back to Super Bowl caliber. And so they need quality, not quantity. They want to get higher in the draft to pick a more dynamic player, and likely a defender in this defender-rich draft.

So for our purposes I'm making a trade for Miami.

(Full disclosure: This is just done in fun and as speculation. This is not based on anything sources are saying has been discussed or will happen. Just want to let everyone know that because the Internet can be a freaky place.)

I envision the trade as follows: The Dolphins trade their first round pick (No. 15 overall) and their third round pick (No. 79 overall) to New Orleans. The Dolphins get the Saints' first round pick (No. 24 overall), their second-round pick (No. 56 overall) and one of their third round picks (No. 88 overall).

What does this accomplish. It gets the Saints nine spots higher in the first round ostensibly to pick a better player. It moves the Dolphins down to a place in the draft I believe the value for what they're looking for -- running back, offensive line, wide receiver -- is greater.

Yes, the Saints lose their second rounder. But they have two third-rounders anyway. Yes, the Dolphins have to drop back in their third round. That's the price of dropping in on the previously closed-to-them second round.

And so here we are, at No. 24 overall in the first round.

With the 24th overall selection in the 2011 NFL draft, the Miami Dolphins select: Mike Pouncey (Center) of the University of Florida. I hate the pick. And I love the pick. I hate it because Pouncey will never score touchdowns. But I love it because it is a value selection at No. 24 -- five spots lower than where his brother Markice went to Pittsburgh. I also love it because the Dolphins need a center to solidify their offensive line. The position has been unsettled since 2008. Joe Berger is nice but his best asset to the team is as a backup. Pouncey could be the starter for the next decade.

With the 56th overall selection in the 2011 NFL draft, the Miami Dolphins select: Daniel Thomas (Running back) Kansas State. Mark Ingram will be gone by this spot. So will Mikel Leshoure, whom I would think the Dolphins will consider in the first round but pass on because he's not a value at No. 15 nor No. 24 for that matter. So it's the next best guy on the board at Miami's greatest position of need. Ryan Williams is also a candidate here, but I just think Thomas is bigger, quicker and fumbles less. Don't hate.

With the 88th overall selection in the 2011 NFL draft, the Miami Dolphins select: Traiwan Jones (Running back) Eastern Washington. I'm more excited about this running back than the previous one, but this one is too risky to take in the second round. Jones is a bullet. He ran a 4.30 on the Miami scouts' stopwatches at his Pro Day two weeks ago. He is a home run waiting to happen and the Dolphins need some of those on offense and special teams. By the way, the Dolphins have doubled down on draft picks before, picking two cornerbacks in the 2009 draft. I hope Arkansas tight end D.J. Williams will be here when Miami picks but he probably won't be. I love that kid. He reminds me of Keith Jackson.

I know, I know, you're going to wonder why I didn't address the QB spot. Well, this doesn't mean I'm on board the Chad Henne bandwagon. If you read my columns, this blog and listen to my radio show, you know that already. But I wait to address it in free agency. I go get a veteran.

OK, that's a lot to chew on. And there is much work for you to do. It is your turn to give me your Dolphins mock for rounds 1 through 3. If you believe the Dolphins will trade, you have to use that scenario in your draft as I did.

We will do rounds 4-7 next week.

Go!

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Cuban,

BTW, both the hof qb's under Shula were 1st rd picks. Drew Breeze is the only 2nd rd qb that I can think of with a SB ring. Unitas, Joe Montana,Curt Warner, and Brady are the only championship qb's I can think of picked after the 2nd rd.

But there sure are slews of 1st rd chosen qb's that have won league championships and SB's. Each and every onw of them made their coaches look like "geniouses". So as you can see, finding championship qb's get extremely rare after 1st rd.

Cuban,

Shula was extremely lucky! He walked into both Unitas and Griese. Everyone knows Marino at 27th was steal of the century and a no brainer.

Again, Shula extremely lucky Marino fell so far! LOL...........

Breed, It's a crap shot, Brady was a 6th round pickYou never know what's gonna happend...What were we argueing about, I forgot????LOL..

Had others gm seen Marino coming shula doesnt even get a sniff at him. Marino had the awful senior season(17picks vs 10tds) and drug rumors to boot.

Yes, Shula extremely luckt these things made Marino fall so far! LOL...........

Cuban please reread the 2nd paragraph of my 11:43 AM post. It answers your 11:47 AM post. LOL..............

with that trade scenario my 1-3 mock
#24 Gabe Carimi
#54 Andy Dalton
#88 Taiwan Jones

Actually DB, there are a slew of QB's not picked int he 1st round to win a SB. In addition to Brady, Warner, Brees, and Montana, there are:

Bart Starr
Roger Staubach
Brad Johnson
Jeff Hostetler
Ken Stabler
Joe Theismann
Mark Rypien
Brett Favre

GarbagePlate.....there are even more than that....

But as I have posted in the past.....

63% of all SB winning QBs since 1990 are 1sr roumders.....

and....

since 1990 ONLY 1st round QBs have REPEATED....

Plate, Lets not forget The Guy that was QB for the 2001 Ravins, He suked, But he rode that Defense and lewis to a Super bowl...., BTW, Whats Bill Bellick up to these days???

Let me take that back....

I forgot about BRADY.....he has repeated.....


But what you guys need to remember....BRADY is the EXCEPTION...NOT the rule....

i think DB is mistaken when he says success in the running game is dependent on a "downfield passing game." Daryl used a perfect example in tom brady, arguably the best at moving his team downfield, throws short, concise passes. new england uses the combination of their running game and these shorter passes to move their team into scoring position. yes, it is necessary to throw the ball downfield every so often and have someone who is a threat to go the distance but most passes in this league are thrown for less than 10 yds. some may go further because of a receiver getting yards after a catch but there's not a lot of teams who throw downfield consistently. long passes are low percentage completions. your higher pct completions come in the short to intermediate range. henne completed 61% of his passes this past year and averaged 6.5 ypa. now, the ypa may not be impressive to you but when you consider what he had to work with in an offensive line for protection and the receivers he had to work with i would say it is pretty impressive when you consider brady averaged 7.9 ypa. it's only a yard and a half. you guys are barking up the wrong tree.

Only a few guys have ever repeated, and 2 of them are Brady and Montana! Thats not a good argument, kris.

4th Charles Clay FB
5th DeMarcus Love RG
6th Terrence Toliver WR
7th Byron Maxwell DB
7th Lee Smith TE

Heres a few guys who were close, but no cigar. More non 1st rounders who played in the SB. You realize all these guys played in at least as many SB's as Dan Marino.

Matt Hasselbeck
Jake Delhomme
Rich Gannon
Chris Chandler
Neil O'Donnell
Boomer Esiason
Ron Jaworski
Ken Anderson
Pat Haden
Fran Tarkenton
David Woodley
Johnny Unitas
Daryl LaMonica
Frank Reich (didnt start the SB, but played and won playoff games)

Makes no difference where you're drafted. Unless there is an Elway, Manning, Aikman no brainer prototype #1 guy, the idea you need a 1st round QB is a myth.

We can argue all day and all night about the reason(s) why Henne has failed. Blocking, WRs not getting clear, 8 in a box, poor mechanics, poor accuracy, the list is long.

But when you look back at last year, the biggest thing that stands out is, the D was daring Henne to beat them. In other word, they weren't afraid of the passing game.

The DCs strategy was simple: Crowd the line, double Marshall and let Henne have the dump off.

I think it's kind of simplistic to blame it all on Henne. But I blame the lion's share on him.

Guys, Brady is a success of the system he's in, Dont get me wrong, he's a great QB, but put him with the fist pumper and Ireland and he's a 7 and 9 QB, thats whats holding back the mighty Air-breathers, It's the coaching and the GM....IMHO..It's been going on since 98.. Come on it's been almost 14 years since the fins were feared..... Shameful, Thanks Huizanga, you built it,Ross inherited it, We gotta live with it.......................

Too much going on for me right now to fully research all qbs before I posted but great work GarbagePlate. Still Im willing to bet the farm far more 1st rd qb's have won champoionships and SB's than those not drafted first rd.

If you did 1st rd qb's vs 2nd rd qb's alone. Or 1st rd qb's vs 3rd rd and greater qb's. Then Im sure 1st rd qb's would overwhelmingly be greater winning championships and sb's in "singular" comparisons.

Still comparing both against 1st rd qb's you come out around 60% or better vs 40% or less. Still conclusively proving chances of winning championships get significantly better drafting qb's 1st rd.

Plus where they are drafted are usually just arbitrary numbers. If there were a couple less teams in the league, Brees and Favre would have been 1st rounders. Same with Henne. And theres only a few draft spots separating where those guys were drafted and where 1st rounder, Aaron Rodgers was selected.

Do you see the lack of logic in the argument "we need to draft a QB in the 1st round" or "we need to draft a franchise QB', which is even dumber, since guys dont become "franchise QB's until they prove they are really good.

I love how all the media and reporters completely forget about Kory Sheets. This dude can play, is lightning fast and is exactly what you describe in your 2nd and 3rd round pick. Tell me again why you don't think he can be the RB...especially since he's already on our ROSTER!

Guys, Brady is a success of the system he's in, Dont get me wrong, he's a great QB, but put him with the fist pumper and Ireland and he's a 7 and 9 QB, thats whats holding back the mighty Air-breathers, It's the coaching and the GM....IMHO..It's been going on since 98.. Come on it's been almost 14 years since the fins were feared..... Shameful, Thanks Huizanga, you built it,Ross inherited it, We gotta live with it.......................

Posted by: Cuban Menace | April 25, 2011 at 12:17 PM

Maybe the best Qoute this off-season,if not of all time.,Bravo Mr.Menace, you hit the nail on the head with this one.

GarbagePlate,

@12:15 PM. Every guy on that list was one and done in SB appearances except for Unitas. Unitas was injured that year.

Shula Lost his first SB with Earl Morrall as the SB starter. Unitas would win and start his first SB one year later in a SB V vs Cowboys. Shula was 1st year fins HC that season.

A friend recommended I watch that "Gruden QB Camp" (or whatever the hell it's called) on ESPN, telling me how impressed I would be with Ryan Mallett.

Well, after watching it I can report that's not the case at all. I'm sorry, but Mallett comes across as dumb as a bag of rocks.

Understood that a QB doesn't have to deliver an address to the UN General Assembly or give a lecture on Keynesian economic theory, but you'd like one that is clearly intelligent and verbose in the way that successful guys like Brady, Rivers, Manning and Rodgers are. Mallett gives ZERO indication of that, and sounds as if he struggles to form complete thoughts.

Perhaps he'll succeed but I have serious doubts now that I've actually paid attention to the person behind the uniform and helmet. As Gertrude Stein once famously said of Oakland, "there's not much there, there."

John Beck was a couple picks away from being a 1st rounder. What does that tell you.

The other thing, DB, is 1st rounders get more chances to be successful. Usually because of money invested in them or reputation. Think about how many former 1st round flops keep getting chance after chance. Guys like Joey Harrington or Ryan Leaf always get shots with multiple teams. The 5th rounder type guy alot of times never even gets a fair shot. I guarantee over the years there were a few Brady's and Montana's who never got an opportunity.

My point is, of course the majority of SB winners would be 1st rounders. They are given every opportunity to succeed. They are given a longer leash and more chances.

LMAO @ Dave...........................

GarbagePlate,

How could you post that at 12:23 PM. Thats what has no logic. If "32 Teams" passed over these qb's how could say "28 teams" means they would have been drafted 1st rd?

28 teams did pass over these qb's and not draft them 1st rd. Even with "4 teams added" they fell to 1st rd.

Dont you mean if there were "MORE" teams in the league they would have went 1st rd. Now if there were 45 teams in the league, then yes there was great chance of being selected 1st rd.

DONT YOU SEE THE FLAW IN YOUR MATHEMATICS @ 12:23 PM?

Garbage Plate,

"John Beck was a couple picks away from being a 1st rounder. What does that tell you."

It tells me since Ginn was chosen #9 overall, Beck was selected #41. If there were 41 teams in the league Beck would have been the last pick of the 1st rd.

But we both know there only 32 teams dont we?

AGAIN, HAVE YOU DISCOVERED THE FLAW IN YOUR MATHEMATICS CONCERNING THIS SUBJECT YOU BROUGHT UP YET?

GarbagePlate,

Where your mathematics is flawed at is for your 2nd rd qb's to be selected as 1st rd qb's. The league would have to "add more teams" not "less teams".

Adding more teams means 2nd rd qb's would be drafted late, late 1st rd. Hell, less teams are why they are drafted 2nd rd. LOL...........

Dm1dolphan.....you used that stat yesterday....and I started to call you on it....but then I left it alone.....
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henne completed 61% of his passes this past year and averaged 6.5 ypa. now, the ypa may not be impressive to you but when you consider what he had to work with in an offensive line for protection and the receivers he had to work with i would say it is pretty impressive when you consider brady averaged 7.9 ypa. it's only a yard and a half.

Posted by: dm1dolphan | April 25, 2011 at 12:09 PM
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This stat is MISLEADING because the lowest YPA i believe was Sam Bradford's YPA of 5.96....or something vey close to that.....(@ work its very limmited to what I can access....so I may be a bit off).....

My point.....Henne's YPA average was closer to the bottom then it was to the top....

I don't think we can really draw anything from his YPA stat....

I'd also like to add....you may not have to complete a lot of passes down feild...but iy sure makes the game easier on the offence when the defefence Believes YOU CAN complete passes down feild....

When you haven't shown that you can do that....you get the 8 man fronts....which is stuff the DB is talking about.....

Most SB QB's are 1 and done. Of the QB's who played in more than one, I count 18, only half were 1st rounders. (not sure how to count Unitas/Morall, they kinda tag-teamed it: Morall was a 1st rounder, Unitas was not). i may have missed somene, but that would change the point: its about 50/50

Non 1st rounders:
Starr
Tarkenton
Stabler
Staubach
Montana
Thiesmann
Brady
Warner
Favre

1st round, more than 1 SB:

Bradshaw
L Dawson
Griese
Plunkett
Elway
Aikman
Kelly
Manning
Roethlisberger

* "wouldn't change the point"

trade down with the falcons to get their 2nd and swap 3rds
1st Mikel Leshoure RB
2nd Colin Kaepernick QB
3rd John Moffit OG

I still think they will double down on RBs but won't until later because I think they will also address it in FA (Deangello Williams). I think interior line is their biggest need but I'm not sold on Pouncey. Leshoure is the best back in the draft in my opinion and would make an incredible duo with Williams. I've heard they like Kaepernick a lot and think Moffit will be a steal in the 3rd.

Anytime the league adds more teams it dilute the upper echelon talent even more. But on the flip side it gives more late rd'ers and ufa greater chance to land on nfl teams when odd were less, having less teams.

Still the overall talent base becomes more diluted. Some guys having no business being in the nfl(se: cfl) will land on nfl rosters by default. A body has to fill a spot.

I do not believe we will be lucky enough to trade back so here are my choices for a better Dolphins team: #15 Pouncey for need and he will be a starter for atleast 10 years. He can play center and guard, so there is also value with this choice. #79 Traiwan Jones as he would bring speed to a position that we have been lacking for quite some time. He is a gamble with fumblitis as his nemesis, but I do not feel that a good TE will be there at #79. Well this is my 2 cents worth. Good post Armando...this keeps us talking and is a productive way to let us stand on our own soap boxes with the hopes that the Dolphins braintrust reads your posts and takes our opinions into consideration when draft day comes. You and I both know that is what most, if not all of us, are hoping for. Talk about a fantasy draft. GO DOLPHINS!!!

Beck was #40, so he was 8 picks from being a 1st rounder. I thought he was around 35 or 36, but these are semantics. The point is look how close John Beck was to the 1st round. Look how close Aaron Rodgers was to sliding out of the 1st round. They're just all arbitrary numbers

GarbagePlate....What I think DOES change the point is the ERA....

Thats why I my numbers are only from 1990 to present.....

I don't think 50's. 60's 70's 0r even 80's football can be applied anymore....the rules have changed to much in favor of the team with the best QB.....

Its a passing league now.....

Fans want to see points scored....and owners want fans $$$.....

I may not agree with it....but the rule changes over the past 15 years or more have definetly been in favor of the offence....

Not to say we don't need any more good linemen, but we can't spend our first round pick on another trench player. We have NO-ONE at all that any team would game-plan for. No danger, no concern, nothing to scare anyone. We are the definition of mediocrity, and without a certified star somewhere - we'd aspire to be mediocre this season (and probably fail). BTW, I'm a Gator fan, I like Pouncey too, but he isn't a top pick. And definitely not at center. Get your jersey- selling poster-boy with your first pick, then fill out whatever else you need afterwards. PLEASE!

IMO there's little chance of Miami taking running backs back to back that high. They'll take one for sure, and I suspect it will be the guy from Illinois looking at this regimes love for big Ten players (every 1st rounder has been from the Big Ten conference). I wouldn't be surprised if they took a guy like Ponder at the end of the 1st round either, giving he is the most ready to play and the likely run on QB's at the top of the 2nd round. The like of FA really makes it hard to predict this draft with any confidence.

Coconut, water, rum, and gin. That is Calypso vitamin.

dm1,

You said the ypa difference between Brady and Henne "ONLY" 1.5yds.

Facts suggest a HUGE difference. Brady passed for 3900yds and 37tds. Henne, 3300yds and 15tds. That's only a 600yd and 22td difference.

You may as well be comparing a crack in the sidewalks to the Grand Canyon! LOL.....

The 2 lists of QB's that played in multiple SB's wasnt heavy in either generation. Both are pretty spread out, a few guys from each generation.

As far as from 1990 til now, I've posted those numbers before. They back up my argument that the 1st round is as much a crap shoot as anywhere else. Of all the QB's drafted in round 1 since '90, it was something like 35-40% had what we called Pro-Bowl level careers. A couple cases were arbitrary, and there are a couple "Incompletes", like Stafford. But even on the high end, the success rate was sub 50%

Its not about where you take a guy, its about taking the right guy. And then having a coaching staff to put him in a position to succeed

Agreed about Mallett, Dave. The guy just doesn't come across as intelligent at all. You hate to call someone stupid, but it' clear there's not a whole lot going on in that head.

I couldn't support drafting him. NFL defensive coordintors eat dumb QB's for lunch.

GarbagePlate,

You insinuate on minimizing when fact is Beck was really the NFL adding 8 more teams to the league away from being a 1st rd qb.

Still that's "ASSUMING" the 8 new teams saw the same value as Camoron saw in him. What youre suggesting is far more "ASTRONOMICAL" than the way you are minimizing it to sound. LOL...........

A frog wouldnt bump his a*ss on the ground if he only learned to walk on two legs! LOL.......

Bobby Petrino was highly considered a very bright and innovative OC in the nfl. He took his highly respected pro style offense to Arkasas with him.

Judging by Mallet's collegiate stats in Petrino's pro style offense, Mallet learned a pro styled offense pretty damn well. You guys saying Mallet is stupid dont know wth youre talking about. Ask Bobby Petrino, highly respected NFL oc, qb coach, and hc at Arkansas.

His word and Mallet's collegiate stats in Petrino's pro styled offense carries far more weight with me than your over bloated opinions. LOL............

It is more than evident that Joe Robbie, Sun Life or whatever the name of the Stadium, it is not profitable and probably never has been. Whatever their faults might be, Parcells, Ireland and to a certain point Sparano, are professionals in the business of selecting personnel. I and many others refuse to believe that all those non-sensical moves and idiotic Draft choices were produced by the Trifecta. We believe Ross forced them to do it with the intention of making Miami look bad and in the near future look for a more profitable location for the Team. Now, how are we to find out whatever truth is in this conspirational theory? The results of next week's Draft will tell us. If it is a good Draft for Miami then the conspiracy theory is BS. If the Draft happens to suck, lookout! We are on top of It.

I AM READY FOR ANOTHER ROUND OF DYINGBREED VS OSCAR ,AT LEAST IT'S BETTER THAN READ ALL THESE DUMB LONG POST AND EACH POST HAS 10 NAMES,WHO WILL REMEMBER THIS CRAP .


DB VS OSCAR ...ROUND 2

THE FIRST ROUND OSCAR WON W/KO

Might as well draft John Avery again (Taiwan Jones)

Mando you remember JJ Johnson? A big back from MIss St? He sucked too. Or there is always Terry Kirby. Get a QB! Use the pick on a QB!

ALOCO,

If "you" like go after guys pervert sexual predators then I guess you would feel oscar won. Here the transcript exchange last night:

Now, now, DyingBreed, prety soon you are going to have to make a choice. It will be either a Bud light, a bad bud or someone that will plug your as-hole. Which will it be? Decide NOW!

Posted by: oscar canosa | April 25, 2011 at 12:36 AM

Oscar,

Ughhh..........

That kind of talk leads me to believe either youre a butt plug or lik having your butt plugged. Please dont tell which you prefer. Ughhh......... LOL............................

Posted by: DyingBreed | April 25, 2011 at 12:40 AM

Guys be careful of Oscar. I let him know Im under influence of "seed lite" now he trying to take sexual advantage of me. Ughhhhh.......

Posted by: DyingBreed | April 25, 2011 at 12:43 AM

Oscar,

Are you one of those perverted sexual predators?

Posted by: DyingBreed | April 25, 2011 at 12:47 AM

That third option I told you about, DyingBreed, comes cheaper, and in certain places, for free. Look at the savings. But if you insist on paying good money for home-grown garbage T h c, I forgive you.

Posted by: oscar canosa | April 25, 2011 at 12:47 AM

I like Bud light.

Posted by: oscar canosa | April 25, 2011 at 12:50 AM

Oscar,

3rd option being having one's butt plugged sounds pretty damn gay to me.

YOURE A PERVERT SEX PREDATOR OSCAR AND NEED TO BE BANNED FROM HERE. i WILL NO LONGER RESOND TO YOU F*UCK PERV SEXUAL FREAK!!!

Posted by: DyingBreed | April 25, 2011 at 12:51 AM

DyingBreed, you missed, "I am sure many here will do you that favor".

THE LANGUAGE YOU BOTH USED I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND FOR I NEVER TALK LIKE THAT SO I DON;T UNDERSTAND BOTH OF YOUR POSTS .


I JUST SAID OSCAR WON TO GET YOU AND OSCAR GOING TO SEE WHO REALLY WON LAST NIGHT .

HERE WE GO OSCAR, IS IT TRUE WHAT DB SAID ABOUT YOU ?

Nahh, I don't waste time with cross-breeds.

Nice Kory sheets, Just sat down at the casino with his cousin, He is really excited to play for the DOLPHINS this year.

More QB talk here for the draft... ugh... my head hurts.

ON PFT..... THE MARSHALL EMERGENCY CALL 911...NOT MUCH THERE .

Besides, I like to Watch.

THE MARSHALL WIFE ,SHE'S THE ONE WHO MADE THE CALL.

Re-posting boring, infantile threads doesn't make them more interesting the next day.

Experience has taught me not to get mixed up in other People's personal lives. 100/1 that they make up and all is forgotten and forgiven. They need marital AND individual therapy. Yes, both.

MARSHALL WIFE MAKE THE CALL ON THE TELEPHONE. SHE SAYS NOTHING AND THEN SHE HANGED UP AND DIDNT ANSWER THE PHONE ANY MORE. THEN THEY CAME AND ARESTED HER AND BRENDAN MARSHALL DROVE TO THE HOSPITAL AND THEN THE NEXT DAY HE WENT HOME. THAT IS NOT ON THE POLICES TAPE THOGH

These are situations that I face daily in my Practice. However, when it occurs in a very Public person and for some reason, it makes me feel like crying out against certain "pathologies" of the System.

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