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What to do with Henne, and why not Ryan Mallett

Chad Henne is still Miami's only quarterback. But as I write in my column today, the Dolphins have a plan for getting better at that position this offseason that both includes Henne and replaces Henne.

Please check out the column because it gives you inside information on the changes the Dolphins are making to the offense to make Henne better. It also gives you an idea of what Miami is certain to attempt to replace Henne.

Having said that, the quarterback that everyone around here believes could have and should have been a Dolphin is Ryan Mallett.

Many of you wanted a quarterback in the draft. And I get it. Mallett had first-round talent with that great arm and accuracy. Mallett also could be had because he dropped like a lead pipe in water for reasons too many to name. That kind of quarterback talent doesn't fall to the third round very often yet that's exactly where Mallett and his Slim Shady personality fell.

The Dolphins get it, also.

General Manager Jeff Ireland and Tony Sparano get it. They wanted the right quarterback in the draft, too. And they tried to make a play to get Ryan Mallett. Lacking a third-round pick, they tried to trade into the third round to get Mallett, according to a source.

They were not able to get in high enough fast enough.

"We were willing to take him, we just couldn't get our hands on him," the source with knowledge of the front office's thinking told me. "We tried, but we couldn't do it. He's going to be a good quarterback."

Instead the Dolphins are moving on because, for all the work they did on Mallett, for all the skills they know he possesses, they just didn't see him as a first- or second-round player. (Neither did anyone else, by the way.)

The Dolphins tell me they couldn't get a vision for Mallett to invest in him that early. To pick a player you have to know how he fits the team, how he fits the position. As a first or second round pick, that would mean Mallett would be your presumed starter immediately.

Proof: First-round pick Mike Pouncey and second-round pick Daniel Thomas are Miami's presumed starters at center and running back today.

The Dolphins weren't comfortable with that for Mallett. Call it gut. They just didn't feel this kid is ready to handle the daily grind of being an NFL starting QB -- something that reaches far beyond going on the field every Sunday and throwing the rock.

I'm told the Dolphins, as an organization, tried to find someone who has succeeded in the NFL that has a Ryan Mallett-type of personality and approach. They tried to find someone that has a character like Ryan Mallett and has succeeded in the NFL. Thinking ....

Thinking ...

Still thinking ....

I got it! Nobody!

Who does this kid remind you of that has been successful? Nobody! Not Manning, not Brady, not Brees, not anyone that came before. Well, he reminds me of Ryan Leaf but they were looking for someone successful.

That troubled the Dolphins' brass. No one felt strongly about his makeup.

"There are questions there," a source tells me.

I'm writing this having talked to Mallett once on the phone. I don't know him. I have no clue (no jokes, please.)

But the Dolphins were all over this kid. Ireland brought Mallett here. He went to see Mallett there. He went to dinner with him. He met him at the combine. He watched him play on tape and live. He wanted to get exposure to him. He evaluated the kid and the quarterback.

And there was just no comfort level there to invest on him in the first or second round. So it just didn’t happen.

It did happen for the Patriots in the third round. But remember, their situation is different. The Patriots are not looking for a starting quarterback. They don't need Mallett to come in and compete for a starting job.

He will not be their starter this year. He will not be their starter next year. Or the year after that, as long as Tom Brady remains healthy.

The Patriots, unlike the Dolphins, have the luxury of remaking Mallett in their image. They can use the next two years to turn him into the person they want him to be. They can store him away rather than thrust him into a starter's limelight where all the pressure and expectations are found.

That's a wonderful luxury to have. The Dolphins didn't have that luxury.

So they go in another direction. They have their plan for getting the quarterback position right.



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people were asking if mike pouncey was being overrated because of his brother's success in the nfl but if there is one guy who is being overrated due to his brother's success it's gotta be casey matthews. seriously, what is so special about this guy? another player mentioned a lot on this board and the SS board was colin mccarthy. the guy had 3 shoulder surgeries while at miami but some people still wanted us to draft him.
next, charles clay. i did the comparison before and i reaize conference usa isn't the sec but you can't argue with the kids production. over 2500 yds and 27 td's receiving and 911 yds and 10 td's rushing in his four years at tulsa. the guy is a football player. isn't that what we wanted; guys that can play football? so, i say forget about dj williams. we got a player who will do just as well, if not better, than williams.
finally, ryan mallet. did jeffy play belichek? did the student become the teacher? is it posssible that ireland had no plans to take mallet but duped belichek into believing he would and, belichek, being the Pr#*k that he is thought he would steal a pick away from miami? i wonder.

DM,Doubtful, The Pats had 6 picks in the 1st 3 rounds, and 32 teams past on slim shaddy too, The pats figured"Heck he's a 3rd round pick, Maybe we can get a second rounder for him in two yearts", That's how this team operates... See Matt Cassel for a example........

this regime is are circus clowns....whats telling is when they traded tree picks for thomas in the second rd.
no clue to what they are doing or thinking another wildcat player...where everyone is saying the league is a qb driven league the phins are still working on improving their wildcat offence & ponding the ball...

this cant be good news for b.marshall...

so i have to ask because i'm wondering what the regulars on this blog have to say about it; what did you think about new england's draft. personally, i think they picked the wrong tackle for one. i think a guy like wake will own him. aldon smith did it in college and i just see him having difficutly with strong pass rushers. 2nd, shane vereen in the 2nd rd was a bit of a reach considering he was a 3rd rd prospect according to most but if you look at the way the draft was going a lot of guys were falling at least one round. so, where vereen is concerned belichek probably could have picked him in at least the 3rd rd and got better value for the pick. 3rd, stevan ridley was a huge reach. this guy was projected to go somewhere in the 5th or 6th rd and, again, may have even fallen some so not very good value for a guy that could have been taken later. ridley only had one year starting at lsu and did well but you also need to wonder if he can repeat his performance. a guy like this isn't going to be a feature back whether in a one back offense or running back by committe so you have to question using a 3rd rd pick on him.
now, when you look at what new england did in their draft you really have to feel good about what ireland did.

a quarterback driven league doesn't mean you don't have a running game. you still need to be able to run the ball consistently on offense in order to have success. if teams know you can't run the ball they are going to T-off against you on every down and plant your qb into the ground. what about play action? how important is it to be able to use play action to be successful passing? if you don't have a running game no defense will respect that. we averaged 3.7 yds per carry on the ground in 2010. defenses need to respect our running game. that's how you open up the passing game. you keep linebackers close to the line. then you release the hounds.

DM, Could care less about what New Eng. Does, IMHO The fins had a good draft, Though again it will take 2 to 3 years to find this out, by that time Ireland and the fist pumper will be long gone, But again I will say it was a Good draft by the Mighty air breathers ......Again IMHO..

this draft could have three starters and a solid rotation player,
that is hard to do.
how good they will be against other teams, we will have to wait and see



time will tell a lot. time will tell wheter atlanta's trading up to get julio jones was a wise move. time will tell if cam newton was worth the first pick in the draft. time will tell if this year's draft was a really a good draft and time will tell if ireland and sparano will be around three years down the road. if people aren't happy with ireland then ross needs to go out and get another gm because they won't trust ireland to find a guy to replace sparano. does anyone have any faith that ross has any idea what it takes to be a good gm in this league. based on what i read around here i would say no. so, ross would need to replace the gm and the new gm would be picking a new coach and then you start all over again. that means more seasons lost to mediocre play while the new regime gets time to rebuild the team - AGAIN. so, i say you stick with what you have and give them a chance on working on consistency. this team has some good players from previous drafts and the current draft. it's a lot better than what we have had in the past with rejects from other teams. ireland is doing a nice job of finding players who can contribute and filling in the holes. once the holes are filled the draft process becomes easier because you're picking players to upgrade certain positions or to replace players that are gettin older somewhere down the road rather than trying to build and entire offense or defense. so, i don't agree that ireland and sparano will be gone in 2 or 3 years.

Tony say's we have it wrong
"three yards and a cloud of dust"
this draft say's otherwise
I don't have a problem with ground game ball,
if you can kill the clock, and put in a top ten defense,
but you must score, not field goals, touchdowns


can you at least learn to make paragraphs with your long posts? maybe try to make them shorter too they go on and on.

DM, The problem is Mr. Hollywood Steve Ross, Totally clueless and classless, Just look at how he tried to replace his HC before he fired him, No wonder no OC in his right mind would touch this team, Thats how we ended up with a guy(Daboll) that had a worse offense then Miami's............ Just saying..

daniel thomas ran for over 1,500 yds in 2010 with hamstring issues. i wonder what he can do with his hamstrings healthy.

I understand your point but they still drafted as if it's their last year! Drafting Mallett would have been a project perhaps, but they showed they still haven't got what it takes to make us a serious contender....no vision for the future, no guts to make the tough decesions etc. Sad very sad and they get paid how much and for WHAT!?!?!? THIS??!?!!?!

Mikey, These guys are on a short timetable,, The"ll'll be done by week 11 IMHO..

The Dolphins don't have the coaching to develop a QB, thats the problem, so I'm ok with not drafting a QB. Trade a 4th round pick for Carson Palmer, nothing more. We still need quality depth at OL and a playmaking TE. Keep Henne as a backup to Palmer. We need to stockpile draft picks for next year, alot of free agents next year, and we will need to replace some guys and add depth. We should try to get 10 picks for next year.

Notice that "Soiled Bottem" was gone for 2 months and all of a suuden appoaered on fridy nite 2 days before Osama Bin-lIDEN WAS "86ED"......... hUMMMMMMM, mR. bOTTOMS, JUST ADMIT THAT YOUR A GOVERMENT KILLER!!!!(BTW... Great job my friend)....

incompetent head coach, incompetent qb = no chance. we will see that by week 8 the coach will be the #1 hotseat to be fired.

Jason Taylor & Ricky Williams to be signed in FA to the Patriots !?


pouncey bad knee
thomas bad hamstring, once bad always bad
gates = ginn
passed on mallet, now pats got him
could have had mallet and ingram
now they have more mediocre.

Aloco,WTF??????, see that your on your fourth pint of glue........... get a grip my lil friend..

With Vince Young done with the Titans we have got to bring him to Miami to at least compete with Henne. Wer didn't fill our QB need in the Draft fine, we have to do something through free agency, Vince Young is one of the best options available to compete with Henne. At some point we have to stop with all the playing it safe and roll the dice if we are going to become winners in this league. We missed out on Michael Vick and he had his best year last year. We need to do something anything to show that at least we are trying to improve. I am afraid the Dolphins will try to run away from anything controvercial and be content to just be an average team.

sparano won't change his philosophy.he wants to be known as a physical team that can run the ball down your throatss. problem is this comes at a steep price; numerous injuries to your rb's and oline! in todays NFL the smart teams spread you out and then pick you apart! we continue to be old school without vision.

The Miami Dolphins first made changes to the 2010 coaching staff, replaced the offense coordinator, now move to improve the o-line, running game, and receiver core with the NFL draft. I really wanted us draft a QB like Mallet but to see where he landed made it even worst. Here is hoping we keep Ricky Williams.
I understand why their going for a fa QB and here is hoping the team is successful.

"DM, Could care less about what New Eng. Does,"

Cuban not to be a d**k but I want to point something out. The saying is actually " I COULDN'T care less".

You see if you COULD care less (as you stated) then there is actually more room for you to care. Couldn't care less means you have no room for caring.

Anyone know what the status of Pennington is?
Will he be on the roster in training camp or sent packing?

Good day guys.

I want to hear from all Mallett lovers this morning. Why did every GM in the league not see the 'franchise' QB you promised us and why did he drop all the way down to 79th? You told us Ireland and company would be idiots if we passed on this guy....are all the others GMs idiots too? And before you sing the Brady and Montana story to us, understand NOBODY was touting those guys as first round picks.

So this is your chance to go on record and tells us where he goes from here. He'll obviously sit behind Brady for at least a couple of years. Will he be the good soldier and learn from one of the best how to be a NFL QB, all the time keeping his nose clean, or will he sulk, become a distraction to the team and ultimately get himself into trouble, to the point that the Pats get rid of him. The floor is yours gentlemen...

The interesting part is that the Mallett lovers would have been FINE with Ireland and company drafting a guy like Mallett at 15, when in reality he went 79th but have the nerve to criticize a Pat White pick because he went 'too early'.....

Bunch of hypocrites!!...

And to answer that New England draft question. The Patriots had a pizz poor draft. What people don't realize is that Pioli was the guru behind all of the past NE drafts. He is gone now and drafting for the Chiefs. Belichick has become arrogant, trying to point his finger and say "I'm so smart, look what I'm going to do, I'm going to go against all reason and common sense and prove everyone wrong."

Two people went the same route, The GM for the Cowboys in the 60's and 70's and Al Davis for the Raiders. Both at the top of their games when their teams were dominating. Both told by everyone how smart they were. And both started acting like Belichick is now which eventually ruined both teams dominance.

Belichick took two mediocre backs even though he already has 3 serviceable ones on the roster. He took a TE even though he has two of the better ones in the business,rookies last season, and one other that can start on any other team. He took a QB that everyone had major concerns about, snubbing his nose at the rest of the league. He may be able to smarten him up and keep him out of trouble but you can't teach pocket awareness. This kid will be killed by NFL blitzes. Not to mention Brady is signed through the next four years.

All of this is going to make them better how? Isn't the idea that they are only a couple players away? And their biggest weakness is their pass rush on the d-line. They did nothing to address that. So in my opinion, (and I know Mando was really talking up the Pats and all OF THOSE PICKS) the Pats had a mediocre to bad draft. Definitely worst in the AFC east.

By the way, the mighty Pats haven't won a playoff game in 3 years.


You are right, the Patriots had a VERY poor draft! Not really sure what Bellichik was thinking. They did little to improve thier pass rush which was one of their biggest needs. Best think they did was get a couple of extra picks for next year in the Ingram trade. For those of you who are convinced they will add Ricky and Ronnie in FA, I think you can forget it. They drafted two more RBs on the weekend to add to their stable of weeks already on the roster. Not sure what they are going to do with them all. Wouldn't be surprised to see a couple of their picks chopped before the season.

I actually don't think there's going to be much of a market for Ricky and Ronnie. Most teams are all set at running back and you've got guys like D. Williams, R Bush and M Bush available out there. Hard to see our two guys getting the kind of deal they want.

It shouldn't surprise us that the Pats had a poor draft. Take a look at their last ten years....not that impressive! They frequently were missing a full arsenal of picks and they missed on guys like Maroney (first) and Jackson (second). Where they have done a good job is stockpiling picks and finding the acorns later.

craigm and darryl d.

see post May 01, 2011 at 10:19 PM

The Pats will groom Mallet like they did Cassell & turn that 3rd rounder into a 1st someday.

Mallet HAS TALENT. 1st ROUND TALENT. If Miami took him, even in the 2nd round, it would still be value!

This team & front office is too safe & far too predictable to be successful in today's NFL. Pouncey, nor Thomas makes this team better than 7-9. That doesn't mean they won't be good players. But, a young QB with potential & talent could improve this team.

Such is life. Also, Armando, in the rest of the NFL, teams don't revamp the offense to make a QB better. They bring in a QB to make their offense better.

That's how as* backwards this regime is. Just FYI.

well said. thanks for your comments on the pats draft. i've been saying the same thing this morning and i've been getting hammered by all of the gm's who post on this blog. i agree, belichek seems to be so arrogant these days that he thinks he can pick anyone he wants and turn them into an nfl player. his draft was poor at best. like i said, solder is going to get schooled by nfl pass rushers and when mallet gets in the game they are going to break those skinny legs of his. mallet has a strong arm but he doesn't have a quick release. marino wasn't mobile but he could fire the ball out of his hand in a split second to a receiver and make a play to beat the blitz. mallet has never proven that he can think that fast. then there's the backs they took which were reaches and they had a chance to get a pass rusher to help the defense and belichek didn't do it. the mystique is fading away; belichek made some big mistakes in this draft and they will come back to haunt him. finally, i still say ireland played him on the mallet pick.


How does a guy carried a clip board for two years, taken in the third round, who never sees the field, get turned around into a 1st rounder? Cassel at least led his team to an 11-5 season. Mallett will never get on the field and when he does he'll be overwhelmed. I am praying he gets on the field because Nolan and company will have a field day with him.

The kid will screw up at one point and get chopped. You really think Tom Brady wants to have Eminem in his ear all the time? Watch...

Anybody ever think the Pats ae guilty of what we've charged of in the Pats....that they simply drafted Mallett to keep him away from us. We've been wrong before (see Pat White). What makes everyone think the Pats are more immune to making mistakes than anyone else. Check their draft record over the last ten years....mediocre!

nice one on the Eminem comparison.

Joe I respect your opinion but think you're missing an important fact. When you have a 7-9 record you have to be safe. The Pats can afford to take risks at 14-2. If they miss on a few reaches it doesn't matter, won't effect their teams chances at the playoffs. The Dolphins had to look for players that could contribute immediately. Pressure from the owner,fans,losing seasons, all weighed in on that decision. The Pats took players they could groom because they are already built for the playoffs. That is the formula with any NFL team that knows what they're doing.

If you need an example go back and look at what the Pats and Dolphins were doing in the drafts at the end of Shulas and Marinos days. The Dolphins and many others felt they were just a few players away and Shula took chances that backfired. Then when he was gone but Danny was still around the Belichick was new to the Pats. He didn't take chances for the first 4 or 5 years. He took the safe picks so he could build a core.

Edmond Gates = Lee Evans

Craig, in response to your question @11:38. Have you ever heard of Matt Cassell?

Joe didn't you say the same thing about Brady Quinn? If you didn't, I sure as hell most of the knuckleheads in here were so mad that we didn't take him. AND the "experts" and coaches around the league had Quinn graded high. So what that tells me about Mallett, that no one had this kid graded higher than the 3rd, that the experts and coaches are all afraid of him, is that he will likely fail.

The people that actually talked to him, scouted him, worked him out, tested him, weighed him, ate dinner with him, spent hours at his home talking to his family and friends,,,,,those are the people we should listen to. I'm having a hard time with your sign off "For your information" as if you somehow know more about this kid (from watching highlight clips in your living room,,,you're not a scout or gm correct?) than the actual scouts and GMs.

Jeff, safe teams need to take big time risks for big time talents or they will always be 7-9. Pouncey & Thomas may turn out to be OK players.

BUT, the object is not to constantly find OK players, you NEED elite talents to win consistently. Miami has a roster FULL of adequate guys, that's why we aren't in the hunt for a title.

I am NOT saying Mallett was a guarantee. But at 15 or even in the 2nd, he was worthy. Thomas is nothing more than Ronnie Brown 2.0.

If you take Mallet & resign Brown, your line-up is the same. You still get Pouncey & you still have your RB.

This franchise is chicken sh&t. One pick would not have killed anyone or the progress of this team. You still have a QB from last year & you have FA coming up to get a guy!

Miami is in the slow lane to mediocrity, period.

Jeff, I wasn't crushed about not getting Quinn, never liked him. Was OK with Ginn being picked I suppose because of his big play ability. I wasn't thrilled with either option.

Mallet will not play for the pats. Brady says he;s gonna keep playing for 10 more years. They'll develop mallet and when he's a FA we can still sign him.
These guys (sparano and Ireland) have to win this year. they didn't think that mallet would be an upgrade over henne in 2011 and I agree with them. If you were in their shoes would you have taken mallet knowing that you have to win this year?
BTW thomas is not ronnie 2.0. Ronnie is 30 yrs old and he really wasn't that effective last year.

i, for one, am glad they didn't take mallet. i was beginning to be pulled in by everyone else touting this kid as the next franchise qb of the fins but i jumped off the bandwagon and came to my senses. ireland was smart to stay away from the guy. if he took him in the 3rd rd we would have had pouncey, thomas and a qb that is going to sit for at least 2 yrs before he plays. now, if you're ok with that then fine but i'm not. we needed speed on offense and ireland decided to take the fastest receiver out there. granted the guy will take some time to develop into a fullblown threat but he can still contribute as a kick returner and he will most definitely be in there to "take the top off the defense."
i think ireland learned the lesson from taking pat white and some other questionable picks and just wasn't willing to take the chance and that's a good thing. if mallet fell flat on his face everyone would be looking for ireland's head on a platter. it's a no win situation.
no, ireland did the right thing. if he had taken the risk with mallet and it didn't pan out i guarantee it would have been much worse than doing the safe thing.

just as nobody had a clue how the draft would unfold, nobody...NOBODY...has a clue how any of these players will perform in the nfl. there are underachievers and overachievers in every single draft and nobody knows who they will be until they play.

you guys are all just jrking off with these sure predictions that are only guesses.


Who are the 'elite' players on the Steelers? Would you agree we are looking at guys like Big Ben, Polamalua, Woodley, Harrison maybe even Hines Ward? That would probably be it, agreed? We have elite guys too....Dansby, Wake, Long...I'll even argue for Marshall and Davis (potentially). What aren't teams like the Steelers REACHING for elite talent every year? They are building on the nucleus they have and getting stronger every year, replacing a guy here, upgrading here. They are the epitome of success....that's the model. It's a copycat league, why can't we do what they do?

Jeff Ireland did his due dilligence on Mallett. Had him in for visits, went to visit him, had dinner with him. Really did his homework on him. If he wasn't convinced that Mallett would be 'the guy', I am totally Ok with that. He did his homework and if that makes him chickn sh*t for not wanting to be wrong, then great....I want my GM to be right more often than being wrong.

i am ok with pouncey and thomas at 1 and 2. the run game should improve. couple such improvement with a solid defense (7 run, 8 pass in 2010) and you have a base for any qb to use to get better like the jets and sanchez recently. whether henne is the qb to benefit from such remains to be seen, but this plan is much less risky and better in the long run behind a young o line with much potential for the future. i have to give the coaching staff and front office credit for this plan instead of grabbing a risky qb at 15 like we could have done. this staff for better or worse plans to be here a while longer as opposed to jacksonville where del rio moved up to take gabbert. del rio has been on the hot seat now for the last 2 years and may figure that if things go bad for the jags this year, he can put gabbert in and keep his job for going with the young guy even if that play produces no wins. he best be careful though, the same play got shanahan fired in denver when he replaced jake plummer with the rookie jay cutler and denver has yet to recover. miami saw folly in having to play a rookie qb this year and instead decided for the less risky, more proven and better long term route. i predict improvement from last years record and at least playoff contention if not a post season spot with or without henne behind center.

Here's the guys we will likely look at for competition for Henne:

Palmer. A lot will depend on when the CBA gets settled. If it's not until July or August I don't think they will do it. They will look into it and if the Bengals ever come around to agreeing to move this guy I think there will be a fit. There will be competion for this guy, which will drive up the price. I think they would like to add this guy but at the end of the day the price will be too much.

Kolb....see above. Too much competition, too expensive with picks and really not proven at this point. Pass.

Young. Might be the best fit. You've got to figure out if he will still be an asset if he doesn't become the starter right away. Likely won't cost any picks and will be happy for a fresh start. Will depend on when the CBA is settled and how much competition for him and how his attitude is. Near the top of my list.

Orton. I'm not convinced Denver is ready to turn the reins over to Tebow. They will want to keep Orton around for insurance. Will likely cost a first or a second. Bad move to go this route.

Alex Smith. Appealing. UFA, needs a change of scenery to get away from the fanbase. Still young enough and athletic enough to contribute. Near the top of my list.

McNabb. Too old and worn down in my book. More of a west coast QB. Still might play with a chip on his shoulder. Should be further down the list and only if no picks needed to get him.

Bulger. Bit older but the year off should have helped concussions problems. Played well in St. Louis but was he a 'system' QB? Top five option for us.

Then a list of also-rans....Quinn, Leinart, Thigpen, Hasselbeck (going back to Seattle), Gradkowski, Derek Anderson. Nothing spectacular. Last options...

Boulder, I would have still taken Mallet. Especially in the 2nd. ABSOLUTELY! When they traded up & didn't take him, I was laughing my head off.

Why? Simple really, you STILL have Henne. Henne helps them win now? LMAO Win now is IRRELEVANT & doesn't even apply! Considering they were still working with the same presumed started from last year. NOT ONLY THAT, whether they took Mallett or not, they were still going to get a VET QB in FA.

Imagine the scenarios:

Pouncey in the first
Mallet in the 2nd

End of the day you have Pouncey, Henne AND MALLET. With FA & the rest of the draft to address the RB & and a VET QB.

Instead we get:

Pouncey in the first
Thomas in the 2nd

Still have Henne & still need a RB & VET QB.

You can't possibly tell me you would rather have the latter option vs. the first one. 1st one you get a young talented qb to work with. Last years starter. AND Pouncey. With the needs still being a Vet QB & RB.

I don't care how you slice it. This team is scared. Sparano coaches scared & this team drafts scared. And as presently constructed, will not compete. That's the bottom line.

Why would u sign kolb? Maybe no one else agrees but if u look at his numbers.they r real close to henne's I just don't get it what has he done really anybody? Nothing from what I can see

This was a great draft for the picks they had available.


Who are the 'elite' players on the Steelers? Would you agree we are looking at guys like Big Ben, Polamalua, Woodley, Harrison maybe even Hines Ward? That would probably be it, agreed?"

UHHHH, NO. Big Ben, Polamalu, Woodley, Timmons is a MONSTER, Harrison, Hampton, Aaron Smith, Pouncey and Mendenhall(if he continues what he did against the Jets in the Championship game).

Miami has Dansby, Wake, Marshall & Long. Davis is FAR from elite. So Pitt has 9 & Miami has less than HALF that.

Pitt can afford to take less risks, like NE, because their talent base is far ahead of ours. And that's the exact point I'm making. Drafting safe is NEVER going to help you catch up with those teams.

They have a better overall talent base than we do. If we wanna catch up, we have to find a way to get elite players. Not take safe steady contributors.

Hey Did you guys hear Osama Bin Belachet was killed yesterday???, What?? Osama Bin-Laden???, I thought the "GREAT SATEN" was killed.... Never mind...

they may do the "safe thing" and bring ronnie brown back for one more year. it would cost them next to nothing to do so and they get a veteran back who knows the team and he can be a situational back, as well.


You just included Pouncey from Pitt and Mendehall as being elite players. How is us this year any different from them drafting Pouncey last year and Mendehall? It's the same argument....safe picks!

You're also arguing the OTHER side of the coin on this one too. Top teams can afford to be MORE risky not LESS risky. Hence the Mallett pick.

I didn't say Davis was elite...I said he has the POTENTIAL to be elite....put your reading glasses on!

Anyways....you keep thinking the way you do and continue to be disappointed with the FO. They're not going to do things you're way Joe and thank God for that. The Pat White and Patrick Turner picks were hopefully the end of all that.

Guyus, lets face it, The mighty air-breathers have to many needs to fill in one draft, this might take another halfd decade to fix, can we agree on yhis???, I mean lets face it,No RB,No QB,No Head coach, No OFF Crn., No Owner, Guys if your like me(A Realist) It's gonna take 3 to 5 years till the phins are deep in the play-offs...If you think there one or two players away, I've got a bridge two miles awy fdrom where I live that you can vuy......Sorry thats the reallity of the fins.... Dont hate..


I'd be very surprised if they don't go hard after D'Angelo Williams. He'd be the perfect compliment to Thomas. Presonally Brown is too much like Thomas and while I think Brown is better than Ricky Williams at this point, Ricky Williams would bring a different skill set than Brown that might be a better option. But I would be exploring guys like D. Williams, R Bush and M Bush first.


This weekend was a step in the right direction. Hard to criticize what the brass did with their six picks.

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