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What to do with Henne, and why not Ryan Mallett

Chad Henne is still Miami's only quarterback. But as I write in my column today, the Dolphins have a plan for getting better at that position this offseason that both includes Henne and replaces Henne.

Please check out the column because it gives you inside information on the changes the Dolphins are making to the offense to make Henne better. It also gives you an idea of what Miami is certain to attempt to replace Henne.

Having said that, the quarterback that everyone around here believes could have and should have been a Dolphin is Ryan Mallett.

Many of you wanted a quarterback in the draft. And I get it. Mallett had first-round talent with that great arm and accuracy. Mallett also could be had because he dropped like a lead pipe in water for reasons too many to name. That kind of quarterback talent doesn't fall to the third round very often yet that's exactly where Mallett and his Slim Shady personality fell.

The Dolphins get it, also.

General Manager Jeff Ireland and Tony Sparano get it. They wanted the right quarterback in the draft, too. And they tried to make a play to get Ryan Mallett. Lacking a third-round pick, they tried to trade into the third round to get Mallett, according to a source.

They were not able to get in high enough fast enough.

"We were willing to take him, we just couldn't get our hands on him," the source with knowledge of the front office's thinking told me. "We tried, but we couldn't do it. He's going to be a good quarterback."

Instead the Dolphins are moving on because, for all the work they did on Mallett, for all the skills they know he possesses, they just didn't see him as a first- or second-round player. (Neither did anyone else, by the way.)

The Dolphins tell me they couldn't get a vision for Mallett to invest in him that early. To pick a player you have to know how he fits the team, how he fits the position. As a first or second round pick, that would mean Mallett would be your presumed starter immediately.

Proof: First-round pick Mike Pouncey and second-round pick Daniel Thomas are Miami's presumed starters at center and running back today.

The Dolphins weren't comfortable with that for Mallett. Call it gut. They just didn't feel this kid is ready to handle the daily grind of being an NFL starting QB -- something that reaches far beyond going on the field every Sunday and throwing the rock.

I'm told the Dolphins, as an organization, tried to find someone who has succeeded in the NFL that has a Ryan Mallett-type of personality and approach. They tried to find someone that has a character like Ryan Mallett and has succeeded in the NFL. Thinking ....

Thinking ...

Still thinking ....

I got it! Nobody!

Who does this kid remind you of that has been successful? Nobody! Not Manning, not Brady, not Brees, not anyone that came before. Well, he reminds me of Ryan Leaf but they were looking for someone successful.

That troubled the Dolphins' brass. No one felt strongly about his makeup.

"There are questions there," a source tells me.

I'm writing this having talked to Mallett once on the phone. I don't know him. I have no clue (no jokes, please.)

But the Dolphins were all over this kid. Ireland brought Mallett here. He went to see Mallett there. He went to dinner with him. He met him at the combine. He watched him play on tape and live. He wanted to get exposure to him. He evaluated the kid and the quarterback.

And there was just no comfort level there to invest on him in the first or second round. So it just didn’t happen.

It did happen for the Patriots in the third round. But remember, their situation is different. The Patriots are not looking for a starting quarterback. They don't need Mallett to come in and compete for a starting job.

He will not be their starter this year. He will not be their starter next year. Or the year after that, as long as Tom Brady remains healthy.

The Patriots, unlike the Dolphins, have the luxury of remaking Mallett in their image. They can use the next two years to turn him into the person they want him to be. They can store him away rather than thrust him into a starter's limelight where all the pressure and expectations are found.

That's a wonderful luxury to have. The Dolphins didn't have that luxury.

So they go in another direction. They have their plan for getting the quarterback position right.

 

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God craig, you're such a yenta. If Davis isn't elite, don't put his name out there in the 1st place! I called you on it so you whine. Get over it! Reading glasses? Those are for you & has been proven you need them by more than just me LOL

Mendenhall's play has made him elite. Pouncey's play is what made him elite.

Daniel Thomas is not elite. Because Pouncey's brother is elite doesn't mean our Pouncey is. I see ZERO correlation between their 2 picks and ours. Yet, you do LOL Irony!

You are so oblivious sometimes. You praise them for safe players now when you know we need game changers. You praise them for not making reaches like White this year when that pick exemplifies how DUMB this FO really is. And you continue to support them.

For the last time, White wasn't a reach. To them it was a good pick. Because of the wildcat, let's expand it, add some deception to it. Misguided philosophy considering the WC was dead after year 1. They saw it as a viable long term solution. IT wasn't a reach, it was a HORRIBLE football decision & direction.

The FO you protect & support is the same FO that makes picks like that & like we just made. They spent a 2nd round pick on a gimmick. This FO is oblivious.

Keep on defending everything they do. LOL Even when faced with the realities & results to the contrary.

Cuban,

This weekend was a step in the right direction. Hard to criticize what the brass did with their six picks.

Posted by: Craig M | May 02, 2011 at 12:43 PM

LMAO

"I am NOT saying Mallett was a guarantee. But at 15 or even in the 2nd, he was worthy."

IMO if there's no guarantee, and actually the opposite (many guaranteeing he will fail) there's no way he's first round worthy.

Greg, I agree, I like the picks, cant argue with anyone about that, and think there going in the right direction too, Gotta wonder if Hollywood ross will see this if the fins start 2 and 6 at the midway point of the season(which is where I see them)(sorry if this upsets people)Just dont have any confidense in a Head coach that lost to the Lions,Bills,And Browns in the last 5 weeks of the season.... Do you???

the buffoon twins should have picked up greg mcelroy

If you take Mallet & resign Brown, your line-up is the same. You still get Pouncey & you still have your RB.

Joe it's easy to criticize when you're not in the business but harder to admit someone may know more than you. Ronnie Brown is going to demand a hefty contract. He has lost a step, has durability issues, and is past his prime. Everyone in the world knew Miami needed a running back from the draft.

Mallett wouldn't be ready for a few years so how does this help our "mediocre" team to get better immediately?

Craig M,

As far as qb's, I'm thinking VY or Alex Smith, even though Harbaugh is really showing Smith some love lately. Maybe he thinks their rookie will take more time to develop, coming from a spread type offense.

Smith did start connecting in a big way with Davis last season.He did have an up and down season, though.

BTW, They lost to those teams(Lions,Bills,And Browns) At home.......

Hello my little cupcakes! How is everybody today?

I'm tired already of hearing about Mallet. He's not on our team. Move on. Let's focus on the players we actually acquired.

Beaten by the Patriots once gain, without either team even being on the field. The team has put itself in a bad way for years to come. Belicheat will dangle Mallet over the Dolphins (later on) for a current player that he covets on the Dolphins, getting a tried and true player for a speculative one. Belicheat uses psychology to great advantage, something the Dolphins need to learn ASAP, as a very important aspect of domination of it's rivals.

I SEA THAST THE GREAT SATAN(CUBEN) IS HEAR BLOWING HIS USUAL LOSING FARMEWRS WAY, CUBAN HOW WERE YUOR CROPS TODAY?

"And as presently constructed, will not compete. That's the bottom line."

That's some prediction there Joe. I'm going to hold on to this one. We had one of the best defenses in the league last year and were in almost every game we played. Beat most of the playoff teams and super bowl champs. Meaning, as presently constructed we were very competitive.

Now we added a starting RB,CENTER,fast as s**t WR with great hands, and a Chris Cooley type H-back who is being compared to Hillis. They revamped old man river hennings offense and will not be as blatantly predictable as they were last year. AND WE HAVEN'T EVEN GONE INTO FREE AGENCY YET. Get off the ledge.

And while you're at it lets not blame Henne for all of the offenses problems. Were you not around to hear the facts?

1. Over 95% of offensive passes were 5 step drops. The league caught on in week 4.

2. No movement out of the backfield or wr sets creating no mis matches on LBs.

3. Marshall not used properly half the time.

4. Hennings inability to admit mistakes and tweak plays during the season because "the plays are correct but the players aren't executing".

5. OH REALLY? Because the WRs on the other side of the ball knew our wr's routes based on the 5 step drop that Henning was in love with.

6. Offensive line couldn't run block, no stability at center, and a fb who regressed terribly and couldn't even block a pop up if he tried.

7. Marshall said to be one of the worst route runners in the NFL by a pft study.

This years team WILL NOT be a carbon copy of last years and mostly due to Dan Henning being gone. You wait and see and come back and discuss it with me then. I believe this offense while it won't be elite obviously, will be much improved and much more competitive.

Good draft. Just what the Dolphins needed really.

Ireland appears more competent after this weekend. We will see how FA looks.

I am hopeful Ireland makes V Young the priority.

I believe Young brings the most dynamic upside.

Sure there is risk. Perhaps the guy could simply benefit from a new start.

The big question is what this what will this offense look like?

How much will Sparano quash aggressiveness and force his FG 1st mentality.

Can't see the point in any aging stop gap qb's. Nor someone elses failed QB's. Forget about them. Why waste time and money?

Let Henne be the guy this year make or break. If he breaks, you go all out for one of the top QB's in next years draft. Keep it simple.

2011 is a wash year anyway. The fins ain't going to the SB in 2011 without Peyton Manning landing in our lap. Bite the bullet and just let it be. Make the investment IF necessary in 2012, then Henne can at least serve well as our 2nd string QB.

Is it only me or does everyone remember how excited we were about the offense coming into last season? The year before Henne played well and showed signs that he could get the job done. We needed to revamp the defense and we all believed playoffs were possible. They revamped the defense but the offense regressed.

I'm not saying Henne has no fault in that. He didn't improve from the previous season. But I'm wondering how much of that is a first year starters fault and how much of it is the fault of everything I mentioned in my previous post. Henning came out with the SAME EXACT OFFENSE they had the year before, no tweeks, nothing, and the league caught on quick. Also Sparanos constant monkeying around with the o-line stalled our running game and put more pressure on a young qb who should've been riding the bench another 2 years behind Penny before he was ready.

Seriously f'ed up man. People want to say Mallett would be fine if we developed him properly while convienetly ignoring the fact that Henne was thrown to the wolves because of Penny and his injuries.

CUBEN,WULD YOU RATHER HAVE CHINA MNCOER AS A HEAD COACH AND OPRAH ADS G.M? THAT WEY YOU COLULDEND LOOSE, YOUR A LOOSER.

Cuban, as usual you spew out your opinion without any facts to back it up. Completely useless opinions. No offensive crn? Coordinator? You mean Daboll? No running back? Who is Thomas, Sheets, and either Brown or maybe deangelo williams? Aren't those running backs? Dude shut up already you speak nonsense. Validate your f***ing opinions you dolt. Why do you come in here? You haven't learned a thing in 3 years. Shut up alr3eady.

0x80,

I agree about giving Henne a chance. They obviously have to.

Disagree that the Dolphins have no chance next year.

Every year is a new chance and this is a parody league.

Though I could give you a list of reasons why they wont, the Dolphins could click.

Hey what's up fellas?

I used a vacation day today just for the heck of it!

Again, I must say I liked Miami's draft. I know Pouncey wasn't the sexy pick but I think he was the best player that can help Miami right away that was available at that point. Miami's line was leaky all year and with all due respect to Joe Berger he is not a starting caliber center. Remember how good Miami's line was with a good Center like Jake Grove 2 seasons ago. Pouncey might not be his brother but I think he will be close and that's a very good player.

Daniel Thomas - Guys please give him a chance. He is a very good RB. Forget listening to Mike Mayock who says he doesn't have power. I respect Mayock but he seriously doubted both Bradford's ability to play in year 1 and Suh's ability to get to QB on the next level. How did that workout? Thomas is a very good, versatile RB. Any contrary to Mayock's analysis of he won't run people over is non-sense. He isn't that sort of back that has to run people over. He is patient, can see the hole and set up his blocks and will run through arm tackles unlike Ronnie Brown last year. I argued last night I see a Corey Dillon type in him. Dillon wasn't a true bruiser and he was about 225 for his entire career and also had nice hands and versatility. Now Dillon was a very good player and not saying Thomas is Dillon but a Dillon type!

Edmond Gates - it's so funny how people are knocking this pick in here. One of the biggest need's for Miami was a speed WR and they get the FASTEST COMBINE WR who was productive in college! He wasn't just a speed guy with potential. He has speed and was productive. The competition wasn't the SEC but the skills are still there!

Charles Clay - I didn't know the player but after watching his NFL network draft preview I liked his skill set. And Mayock actually like this pick. But I can't go off just a draft preview or youtube highlight but hs skill set seems to be valuable. He can play special teams, fullback (receiving) or maybe even a motion TE. I like that versatility.

The one pick after not getting Mallet and I understand why this regime didn't go the Mallet route because of the have to win now or be fired mode but why not take a flyer on Noel Devine in round 7. Devine didn't blow up the combine with his speed but watching him play he has game speed and the ability to make players miss. I think he could of possibly been a poor man's Darren Sproles.

Joe did you miss the article where Parcells admitted Pat White was all his idea and a huge mistake?

Did you also miss the article that stated Parcells is no longer with the team?

Please don't blame this FO for Parcells egotistical and dictator like regime he had going here.

The Phins first draft without him went well and the sporting world all agrees. Your opinion doesn't jive with the majority. So either your some type of office genius who knows more about football than people who are in the business or you're just some guy with an uneducated opinion. (the latter being exactly like the rest of us).

Jeff,

Your take on the Dolphins offense was good. Henning was incredibly predictable.

The whole 5 step drop thing is mind blowing.

I suspect we will not see anything dramatically different until Sparano is gone.

But I will hope for the best.

LMAO

Posted by: Joe Schmoe | May 02, 2011 at 12:50 PM

You're the only one.

Genius, unlike your name what makes you feel that miami wll resign Brown??As far as OC goes the. record speaks for it self(Daboll), Last in the NFL in Offense, Sheets, LMAO that this guys on a NFL team..., Genius, Think before you blog, Your a Buffoon.., Please wise up.., Thank you..

the dolphins front office sucks. they ar so scared to make a move while other teams in the division aren't afraid todo things. If you wanted mallet just go and get him.

Andy,

I too am happy with this draft. Stoked about the Gates pick if they use him!

Thomas could be very good and Clay too. Would like to see the H back, motion and a dramatically more complex set of sets.

If Pouncey holds down a O-line spot for years then that is a great pick.

I wonder who the pulling G will be. Are we just hoping Jerry becomes that guy or should the Dolphins be in the hunt for G in FA?

Oregon I hope your suspicions are wrong and have proof they just may be. Read a long article in which Tony talked about all of the things I did. Admitted he was going to find a line and stick with it so they could gel. He saw that was his biggest mistake and is going to fix it. Daboll is already doing all kinds of exciting things with the new playbook. We will have 1 step,3 step,5 step, and 7 step drops to go along with more activity out of the backfield.

Daboll has said he recognized miamis mistakes in not utilizing it's offensive weapons properly and not taking advantage of mismatches (Hennings arrogance) which is how they were able to game plan against us so effectively. We have our speedy wr now to stretch the field. We will have an improved running game especially if we get Williams who already said he wants to come to Miami. (DeAngelo)

There are plenty of reasons to have hope for this season. We have three players that are coming back from rookie injuries so add three more rookies to the stable for competiton (Odrick,Sheets,Edds). Don't be like the few. Hope is good to have, it's positive, and it makes your day better.

Dread and doom and gloom is for losers with miserable lives who feel the need to drag everyone down with them. Think about it? Season hasn't even started and these numbskulls have given up already. They must be French!

I step out for a couple days, return, to the exact same conversation as always, lol. I love this blog, it's like a soap opera. You can stop watching for awhile, come back and pick up right where you left off like you were never gone.

I'm not going to criticize this draft. It's a joke, much like all of you who had your Draft list all made out (rounds 1-7). How'd that go? Who had us getting Edmond Gates?

I rather criticize what I know, previous drafts. Until we play the year, we won't know if a player we drafted was a good pick (depends on how well they do on our team, and how well they compare to others drafted after them we could've gotten). It's a pretty silly exercise to get all worked up over players NO ONE knows how they will perform. It's also hilarious to me that some will criticize a guy they have never seen play in the NFL (like one of our 2011 Draft picks), yet somehow have this Nostradamus-like insight into a player we never saw in 2010 (Odrick) being a good player and asset to the team. I put them ALL in the same category. If you ask me, Pouncey has just as much (if not more, he's not injury-prone) of a chance to be worthy of a #1 pick as Odrick. They'll both have a chance to prove their worth this year (until then, to me Odrick is a borderline bust, Pouncey we won't know about until 2012).

On Henne, this has all been rehashed over the last few months. Anyone could have seen this coming (just listening to Ireland prior to Draft day). That's why I stopped saying we NEEDED a QB THIS YEAR. I didn't see Ireland taking that chance in this peculiar year (especially without a 2nd-round pick). So, we have Henne. Like they said, we WILL be bringing in a vet at some point for competition (and there we'll have our 1st and 2nd string QB, just don't know the order). Either way I don't care. If Henne loses the starting job, then he doesn't deserve to have one more year to show what he's got (that will mean he obviously doesn't have much).

But what's going to hurt us is if we find that Henne isn't the guy, and our vet gets hurt or goes elsewhere next year (or just isn't as good as he used to be...ahem...Trent Green to all of the above). Then we'll be drafting a QB just to throw them in the mix too quickly and not let them develop. It might have been nice to develop a kid this year to hopefully take over at some future date, at least as a stopgap, but I guess this FO didn't see anyone of interest. That pretty much means our 1st-pick next year will HAVE to be a QB, or else we're setting ourselves up for failure all over again.

On the Henne topic,

Oh Bye the way Genius, No offense taken.... Again it's JMO...........

Oregon,,,,exactly,,,hope for the best. That's what makes this country great. We used to have a hard work ethic and hope. Somewhere along the way people have lost hope and faith and it is trickling into sports, the one place everyone has hope. That's the beautiful thing about a new season, you never know what can happen. So to see some of these people give up so easily is disheartening. It's a horrible attitude to carry with you.

They will come back at me and see they are just being realistic and we're the ones with the problem. That is the mantra of the whiner, the quitter, the loser. They don't like hope because they can't handle disapointment. So they guard themselves by being negative and miserable and in the end it just hurts them. Sports are fun. Too put so much stock in what your team can't accomplish before you even see them play a down is draining and silly.

"I am NOT saying Mallett was a guarantee. But at 15 or even in the 2nd, he was worthy."

IMO if there's no guarantee, and actually the opposite (many guaranteeing he will fail) there's no way he's first round worthy.

Posted by: Jeff | May 02, 2011 at 12:51 PM

Since no players in the draft are a guarantee you'd rather forfeit your picks? God, some of the comments onhere are just laughable!

Jeff, are you talking about me??????, Lol..

Oregon Dolphin fan,

I think Nate Garner will be resigned which is good because he is a depth guy but also will compete with both Incognito and Jerry for the guard spots. Competition is always a good thing. I think in the end Miami's offensive line is what it appears to be with Long, Jerry, Pouncey, Incognito and Carey. I think Carey will be much better after struggling with injuries and being TOO fat last year and I saw Jerry blow open holes in a few games and also miss assignments too so another year older and wiser should do him good. Long will be status quo which is GREAT and Incognito has a good year and made the most of his opportunity. He was Miami's most consistant linemen outside of Long. Pouncey is a plug and play starter from day 1 and I think is going to make people notice him in year 1.

I agree with you on Clay. His versaility seems like it would allow Miami to have motion sets where he can be the motion TE or motion out of the backfield. I think it would give this offense a different look and I welcome it.

"Joe it's easy to criticize when you're not in the business but harder to admit someone may know more than you. Ronnie Brown is going to demand a hefty contract. He has lost a step, has durability issues, and is past his prime. Everyone in the world knew Miami needed a running back from the draft."

Brown is not the only Rb available in FA. Just FYI

This from Pro Football weekly on the Dolphins draft

"They added such crucial depth and skill to the offensive line, grabbed a potential workhorse running back, stole a vertical threat and acquired a fullback-tight end hybrid. At least three, and possibly four, prospects from this draft class could contribute immediately, leaving Miami just a quarterback shy of re-obtaining buzz and Super Bowl aspirations."

But Cuban Menace thinks we're much further away! Who do I listen too!!!!!!???? My head is hurting from the confusion.

The Phins first draft without him went well and the sporting world all agrees. Your opinion doesn't jive with the majority. So either your some type of office genius who knows more about football than people who are in the business or you're just some guy with an uneducated opinion. (the latter being exactly like the rest of us).

Posted by: Jeff | May 02, 2011 at 01:25 PM

I just listened to an off-season of talk about us needing speed & play making ability from their own mouths. What I saw us draft was a 2nd rb with not so great speed & a speed WR in the 4th round who is not a lock to do anything but return punts, if he even makes the roster.

So please SPARE me your baseless optimism. Based on what they told us are needs were & what we wound up drafting, I can't see how anyone can be happy with the draft except for the 1st rd'er.

Genuis, Till a new coach, New GM, New QB, New Owner, New Thinking, The fins are light years away from a super bowl...... Again it's JMO..

If 95% of the time Henne made 5 step drops, then this is yet another indication of Sparanos incompetence. Not having OC/DC/STC experiences, he does not know how to lead any of them, and merely accepts what ever plan they have no matter how long it continues to fail.

This single biggest problem with this franchise is not the QB, it's Sparano.

"So please SPARE me your baseless optimism. Based on what they told us are needs were & what we wound up drafting, I can't see how anyone can be happy with the draft except for the 1st rd'er."

wah wah wah,,,,,don't worry Joe, keep the negative vibe going. You can tell everyone how wrong we were when they are 7-9 again as you say. Until then I will be happy and looking forward to the season and you can continue your negativity campaign that has all of our drafted players busting out before you even have seen them play.

People are calling Gates the possible steal of the draft. He has great hands and unbelievable speed. He will contribute immediately as a punt returner and if he catches on quick enough will definitely push Hartline for the starting spot by mid season. There hope.

But you want to believe he won't be on the team after training camp. To each his own I guess. Just seems like a silly waste of emotion to be so negative.

"And as presently constructed, will not compete. That's the bottom line."

That's some prediction there Joe. I'm going to hold on to this one. We had one of the best defenses in the league last year and were in almost every game we played. Beat most of the playoff teams and super bowl champs. Meaning, as presently constructed we were very competitive."

Please DO hold onto it. I won't need you to show me, I know what I say. I'd be glad to eat crow if I see this team go better than 8-8. I'm not at all worried I'll have to do that.

We're the 3rd best team in our division, we're not even competing for anything of importance. Bragging rights? Wow, we're one heck of a physical football team who is in every game.

YAWN!!!!!!! Competitive in the postseason, that's ALL that matters. Not compete against the Bills, Browns & every other bottom feeder in the NFL who beat us when games mattered most.

Big deal, in 1 game we hung tough with Pittsburgh & got a bad break. The GB game was their first game without 7 starters. Look at every other game against good teams & you'll see we got destroyed by good offenses. Just look at the Qb's stats from all the games. Balt, GB, Pitt, NYJ, NE. They all ate us up.

Our D looks great against the worst teams though, I'll give you that. The only thing we are competing for is 3rd Place in the AFC east. Hard to say otherwise, without looking like an ignorant fool that is.

Optimism is only baseless to the close minded

Joe S,

What's up man? I don't think Ronnie will demand a hefty contract and don't think he can if he wanted too. He didn't average more then 4 yards a carry in any game after game 4 last season while Ricky did. So he can't leverage that Miami's o-line wasn't very good. He also hasn't lost a step he has lost 2 or 3 steps. His injuries caught up with him at an early stage. I always thought Ronnie had the skill set to be very good but he couldn't stay healthy. He is done to me. I don't even want him for competition sake. He just doesn't have it anymore. Good riddance Ronnie.

There is back I really like that's not a huge name but has a lot of speed and would be a different look to Miami's 2 back punch of the dead Ricky and Ronnie and that RB is Jerome Harrison. He has very good speed and had a stretch at the end of the 2009 where he showed has the ability to makes plays and bust off long runs. Having a rookie like Thomas with fresh rookie legs and Harrison who played sparingly after being traded to Philly last year would be nice. Now Daboll has familiarity with Harrison but the question has to be whether Harrison didn't fit in Daboll's offense and was traded or whether Holmgren just felt Hillis was the bell cow and he needed the Eagles back up LB at the time.

DB You talking about wet cotton,last week you were doing just that about Mallett. I certainly like your NEW attitude. You now sound like a Dolphin fan. I agree with you today and showing fist pumps for the FO draft.

0x80 I agree to a point.

Just let me introduce another scenario to that statement. Sparano was a brand new head coach who came into a situation where Bill Parcells and Dan Henning were the older mentors with all of the rings and experience. He was on the job learning, a new head coach, and knew he had to fall in line.

I see it as Henning and Parcells almost being like Bullies. "We've been around longer than you so do it our way,,this is the way you win". I see him as a puppet for those two, bullies, pushing their views and opinions and he had to follow because Parcells could can him.

I see Sparanos fault as being different in that he should have manned up and admitted when things were bothering him. Just6 look at the Pat White pick. Ireland was against it from the start, Parcells bullied him into taking the kid who sucked. I think without those two ego maniacs around he will be better and I hope he has learned from all of these mistakes.

But you want to believe he won't be on the team after training camp. To each his own I guess. Just seems like a silly waste of emotion to be so negative.

Posted by: Genius | May 02, 2011 at 02:00 PM

I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist. There's a difference & is always perceived as negativity. Because optimists refuse to see anything but the rosey & ducky picture. Relaists see the whole picture& can make a sensible assumption. Not a misguided impractical.

I feel sorry for those of you who will be crying again at seasons end when the Dolphins fail to meet any expectations. I'm ready for it. Maybe, then you'll realize why they don't delivery year after year.

Guys, When I was a kid(A long time ago) When the Steelers won there first super bowl in "76" and the NFL was happy that after 42 years the Rooneys were finally awarded with a championship I thought to my self "Wow 42 years" to win a championship, God I hope that never happens to me,... Well it's been almost 40 years since the fins won a championship so I'am getting a little nervous(And older unfortunily)I Only want the Mighty Air-Breathers to Win one before I leave this world... I hope you allk understand.........

Meaning his fault lied mostly in not being more vocal and it ended up hurting the team. He should have changed things whether it might have effected his job or not. Lets not forget in all of this that the players love and support Tony so at least we have that going for us. Losing a locker room is death for a team . He has these guys listening.

I've seen VY's name mentioned a few times on here. Please. How about we bring back Ray Lucas or AJ Feely while we're at it. Vince was nothing but a headache in Tenn. Plus he's a below average passer.

The FO was smart not to pick a QB this year. Next years QB class is far superior. If Henne flops or remains stagnant, the following will be available:

Andrew Luck
Matt Barkley
Landry Jones
Nick Foles

Also Kirk Cousins & Austin Davis, but I dont think they are in the same class as the 1st 4

Luck and Barkley are already better than the guys that went this year. Seriously, Blaine Gabbert? Christian Ponder? These guys are run of the mill mediocre at best. Next years class has a much higher ceiling. If Henne stinks, get the guy you like best, even if it means trading up.

Andy, whats up! Long time no see.

About Thomas all I can say is this. He fits the mold of what they want.

"I feel sorry for those of you who will be crying again at seasons end when the Dolphins fail to meet any expectations. I'm ready for it. Maybe, then you'll realize why they don't delivery year after year."

HAHAHA Joey joey joey. That's the thing my man and most optimists are the same. I won't be crying because the Dolphins are not my whole life. I have a wonderful life and family and am involved in my own projects and athletic endeavors that give me satisfaction and a chance at glory. My emotions are based on what happens in MY life. I do not live vicariously through other peoples accomplishments therefore there is never any punching of holes in my walls, crying, yelling at strangers on the internet, when someone else fails at something they're trying to accomplish. Sure I would like to see the team win but if they don't it doesn't effect my life apparently as deeply it does yours. You may want to check into your priorities for your own well being.

You guys are complaining about trading away a 3rd and a 7th round picks being a bad trade-up to get a 2nd round pick. We traded two 2nd round picks for BM. This is what we got for those 3rd and 7th round picks. We got BM, Misi and RB Daniel Thomas. So this FO got both 2nd picks back by a trade down last year and a trade-up this year. Not too bad?

Joe,

You are and continue to be a MORON!

If you go back and look at my ORIGINAL post, you will see when I was talking about Vontae Davis in brackets I have the wonder POTENTIAL when talking about him being elite. Most people would understand that to mean 'he has the potential to be elite' but not you. As usual, you misquote me and say I said he was already elite. I'm not sure where you went to school but you should go back and demand to be educated on the finer points of reading.

Joe S; Although I'm more optimistic than you and thought the draft was decent, that was a great line about Thomas: He does fit their mold. I'm having trouble talking myself into that pick. As well as Clay.

That's the thing my man and most optimists are the same. I won't be crying because the Dolphins are not my whole life. I have a wonderful life and family and am involved in my own projects and athletic endeavors that give me satisfaction and a chance at glory. My emotions are based on what happens in MY life. I do not live vicariously through other peoples accomplishments therefore there is never any punching of holes in my walls, crying, yelling at strangers on the internet, when someone else fails at something they're trying to accomplish. Sure I would like to see the team win but if they don't it doesn't effect my life apparently as deeply it does yours. You may want to check into your priorities for your own well being."

Thanks for all the info, I'll have to remember that all if I'm ever on Jeopardy. Not only are you an optimist, you're an assumer as well LOL

You're right, I have no life or nothing to get excited about outside of football LOL My wife, my twin boys, they are meaningless LOL

Way to go champ. You can't tell the difference between fan obsession or bantering trying to kill time at work LOL

Nice try though and thanks for your backround, very insightful!

Joe,

You are and continue to be a MORON!

If you go back and look at my ORIGINAL post, you will see when I was talking about Vontae Davis in brackets I have the wonder POTENTIAL when talking about him being elite. Most people would understand that to mean 'he has the potential to be elite' but not you. As usual, you misquote me and say I said he was already elite. I'm not sure where you went to school but you should go back and demand to be educated on the finer points of reading.

Posted by: Craig M | May 02, 2011 at 02:18 PM

Awwwww, welcome back handsome!

Garbage Plate GREEEEAAAATTTTTTT point about next year. Maybe that's Jeffs thinking. If things work out right with our new players, we get some good players in free agency, we could very well end up with a 1st round QB next year that will be far superior to any that were on the board this year. Before the draft people were saying this class of qbs was weak. I don't know why people started to think differently. All I can point to is desperation. I'm glad Ireland stayed cool and didn't act desperate,

There is such a timeless beauty to today's conversation. It is rapture. I hear angels.

Jeff: Honestly, I dont think Joe Schmoe was implying what you thought. I think you read more into it than what was really there. I dont think he literally meant crying, or that anyone's interest in the Fins was out of whack with real life.

LOL , Wish I heard the same Theo!

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