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Draft Day No. 3 live blog starts here at noon

When the draft resumes this afternoon, I'm hoping the Dolphins land a certain RB that I've had my eyes on for a while whose name I will not type here because, believe it or not, I've recently learned at least one rival AFC team reads this blog for updates on what the Dolphins are thinking -- obviously not recognizing that I don't know squat about squat.

Joke's on them!

Nonetheless, I won't mention this RBs name at this point, not that it's a big secret.

Lookit, the Dolphins need speed today. It is lacking for them on offense. It is lacking on defense, although not to the same degree. It is definitely lacking on special teams.

Speed, speed, speed, speed, speed, speed!

When Bill Parcells first started constructing this team it started looking like a mirror image of the 1990 New York Giants for a while there. The Dolphins were big, hulking, and bulking. This team looks very imposing in the airport.

But the game has changed since 1990 and is played on the field not in an airport. So the plodding Fins have some adjusting to do.

They need speed to be more dynamic. They need speed to make sure those kickoff returns and punt returns stop going 90 yards in the other direction. They need speed to do something that we haven't seen around here a lot lately: Blow somebody up with a 90-yard punt return of their own, or hit them on a 74-yard run, or throw a 68-yard bomb over the top of their defense, or return an interception 101 yards.

So my hope is today is about turning the Incredible Hulk into Flash. Or something like that.

The hope for today is a:

Change of pace fast RB.

A return man. Must be ... fast.

(Hopefully the Dolphins can get two for one by having the fast RB also be a fast return guy.)

OLB help to punish Tom Brady and Slim Shady now that they're boys in New England.

Maybe a  NT. He's the only one that doesn't need to be fast. Don't sleep on the NT, by the way.

[NOTE: Live blog happening right here at noon. Yesterday was the biggest day on this blog in all of 2011. Enormous! Thank you. And thanks to that team for checking in. I don't know anything.]

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Of course I do DB, But I also know Ireland.......

0x80,

Thomas is supposed to have Franco Harris type feet. Also 1st legit pass threat we've ever had out of the wildcat(former qb). Was a trigger of the wc in college. Same with Clay except he didnt pass out of the wc in college.

Clay also has the speed to be a seam threat out of the h-back position.

Watch all the Gates highlight reels. He just couldnt be covered without over the top help in college. He burnt db alive at the stake in single deep coverage.

We should have a new look very exciting offense in 2011.

0x80,

As for the two late rd defenders. We need someone developing behind Soliai. He's Franchised, he could walk in 2012, get injured, or regress. Who knows? We need to develop an insurance policy.

The other guy looks like safety material/st's. Could also be a looksee as a nickel or dime db.

DB,

I understand maybe Clay can play TE too. Not sure if he can in the NFL, but that would be an added bonus. I just don't see how we start another season with only Fasano...if he gets hurt, then what? Maybe they will find a TE in FA.

OK Guys, have a "FINTASTIC" Night... Peace..

Drafting Clay as a h-back also proves the fo likes the way the young TE's behind Fasano are developing. The true TE's if you will.

If Clay is successful he'll probably occupy a rb spot on the roster. But is officially a h-back.

One does get the feeling now that neither of the R&R will be back.

We still do not have a speedster back though, unless finally Sparano is going to give Sheets a shot.

0x80,

Like I just posted above, Clay is not a TE, he's a H-back. Remember there are 3 traditional TE's we are developing behind Fasano. They probably hope Mickey Shuler pops his cherry as a traditional seam threat TE too.

But Clay is multi-dimensional. He creates mismatches because the OC will be more flexible in play calling with him in the game.

He can run the ball, block a little, catch out of the backfield, or down the seam. He's very multi-dimensional in the way he can be used. Unlike a traditional TE.

0x80,

I posted much earlier:

In:

TC EXPRESS (THOMAS/CLAY)

OUT:

R&R EXPRESS

0X80,

Derrick Locke and Noel Devine are ufa's. Hope Ireland has convinced one of them to come here when the lockout ends.

The offense would really be "WOW" then. LOL.....

0x80,

Watched highlights of Edmund Gates taking "bubble screens" all the way to the house too. Expect to see "bubble screens" added to the 2011 offense.

Charles Clay ! so happy about that pick... great value in the 6th... So many good players going to be available through UFA too

DB,

I'm just not sure 'express' is the right word for those guys. I'll think of something, but first I need to see them play in the NFL. Thomas apparently does not possess the long 'express non-stop to the goal line' run.

Saw a video from the combine on nfl.com, and for what it's worth, Clay worked out there as a TE. Don't know if it means anything in the long run.

I was clamoring very early at one point we need to add a quality oline pick to go with Long. Then ended up talking myself first into Ingram, then Mallet.

i feel ok about thus draft. 7/10. i like the addition of gates

0x80,

LOL..... Express wasnt the appropriate name for Ricky and Ronnie last season either. LOL

FinFin NS,

Gates really made this draft complete. With his speed and verticle(40 in) he could be like the 2nd coming of Mark Clayton minus Marino! LOL...........

one of Clay's best attributes is his hands/ receiving skills... Very good athlete underused in college

Didnt Shula take Clayton 4th rd same as Gates? Lots of similarities with his speed and verticle ability. Now we have jumpball artist on both sides of the field.

If Marshall's wife doesnt kill him first! LOL.....

Beerphins,

Even Gates admits he needs to work on route running. But for now all he needs to know is the go route! LOL

Tyrod Taylor and Adam Froman should be looked at.. also Ugo Chinasa and Ricky Elmore. Noel Devine/ Mario Fannin...

Hartline could be trade bait in 2011, who knows?

for sure but I love all the upside that these players have they already produce and yet they are still so raw... we may have more than a couple starters this year. Not including Odrick and Edds as well...

beerphin,

Elmore was taken by the Packers.

beerphins,

I know for sure Trod Taylor(Ravens) and Ricky Elmore(Packers) have been drafted. Rest of your list all ufa's.

Seems Crowder's going nowhere. Despite some fans wishes! LOL

what

I mentioned Jimmy Smith once I knew he'd be a long shot but I'm glad he is on board with us. He had mid rd potential. Charles Clay is very versatile most had him with a 4th rd grade very nice value in the 6th... The guy can line up as RB, FB, TE, WR and QB. VERSATILE

Would absolutely love to nab Noel Devine or Derrick Locke for change of pace speed backs!

DB agreed fully... also Alex Grigsby deserves a look along with LeStar Jean WR from FAU

Probably the best ufa of all, as far as highest graded remaining player, is Kendric Burney. Cant believe he went totally undrafted.

He will be a nickel/st's player.

Apparently, Frank Kearse's nickname is "Big Spoon!"

man rd 6 had some very good players go... Todman, Sash, Schilling, Elmore, Homan , Thomas... I love the Clay pick but I may have gone with Homan or Schilling first based off need...

beerphins,

we're full lock, stock, and barrell with wr's and projects. I really dont think we need to bring in any more wr to look at.

We're still trying to develop some of the ones we already have and its too early to cut bait.

yea just got off work going over the board now

Beerphins,

We cut bait with Anthony Arstrong and look what happened! LOL......

honestly Ikaika Alama-Francis, Aj Edds and Will Allen I think will all be big contributors next year

We developed Arstrong for the Redskins by cutting bait to early. They got a free pro bowler thanks to us. LOL......

Armstrong didn't have that good a year... goes to show how bad TS is at putting the right guys on the field.

We're full house at wr. Please dont bring anymore in right now! LOL.........

truth but LeStar Jean reminds me so much of Randy Moss. I think he is obviously better than Wallace or Pruitt. The one guy that I believe we can't let go is outta those projects is Marlon Moore

I'd like to see brooks foster make the squad too

No beerphin,

We cut bait with Armstrong to early. Happens to everyone in the nfl. Just when that guy just gets ready to turn that corner he get caught up in the numbers game.

It was the numbers game that got Armstrong released. Those final cut are very very tough. Sometimes you let go the wrong player.

I didn't realize he made probowl receiver. u sure it wasn't for special teams?

Beerphins,

unlike some projects at wr. Wallace and Moore actually hit the playing field. This doesnt happen without visible promise. Could be a huge mistake to give up on Wallace so early.

Dont know much about Pruitt but Im sure he's further along in his development than a undrafted guy just coming onto the scene.

There's a reason why this guy is ufa. They must like something in Pruitt or he would have been completely let go by now.

I'm out gotta get some food and beer. I'm sticking to my guns They should grab LeStar Jean and throw him in the mix... next Randy Moss. jk but still....

Beerphins,

Scratch that, dont think he was a pro bowler. But did have 44 rec 871yds 19.8 tpc.

Beerphins,

We actually gave up on Armstrong in the final cuts of 2009:

NFLAfter the Arena season, Armstrong was signed with the Miami Dolphins’ practice squad as an unrestricted free agent on July 25, 2008.[2] He stayed on the practice squad the entire season and the 2009 preseason, but was waived August 29, 2009. He signed with the Washington Redskins on October 21, 2009 and spent the final 10 weeks on the Redskins’ practice squad.[2]

Armstrong made his first regular season NFL career catch for 11 yards on September 12, 2010 in a 13-7 win over the Dallas Cowboys and soon emerged as one of the Redskins' primary deep threats. He recorded a career long 76-yard reception against the Philadelphia Eagles on November 15, 2010, finishing fourth among all receivers with 7 receptions of 40 yards or more for the 2010-2011 season. Among receivers with at least 20 receptions over the season, Armstrong finished third with 19.8 yards/catch.

that's right. i said we got 4 starters out of the 6 picks. guilty as charged. pouncey will start day one and so will thomas. it's possible clay starts sometime this year also because of his skill set. as far as gates goes he may not start day one but if he shows signs of improvement he may earn a starting spot. starting wr's is probably marshall, bess and hartline again.
i'm not saying that all four will start immediately and maybe clay and gates don't start ANY games this year but we should have four solid starters on offense out of this draft in their 2nd season. ireland did well in this draft filing a lot of holes and needs but we are still a couple seasons away from being a consistent playoff and superbowl contender. this draft did a lot to start the team in the right direction, IMO.

Guys,

Most would be probably call me a homer on here normally, but I don't think our draft desereves any more than a C+. Yes we addressed soem needs but I'm not sure we really got the dynamic players we needed. The first two picks are pretty safe but I don't really like Thomas. He's just more of the same. Williams or Leshoure would have been more dynamic to the offence. I realize we couldn't have gotten them. I think DeMarco Murray would have been a better back than Thomas but I'm also not sure a bruiser is available like Thomas in FA, so if were to add D'Angelo Williams or one of the Bush's to the mix in FA this would be a good thing. I really like the Gates pick but I'm not sure he'll be able to be much more than a kick/punt returner in his first season. People expecting a lot more than that will be disappointed. We never did get that pass-catching TE we were looking for. I wanted Virgil Greem or D J Williams and we passed on Green for Clay. Don't know a lot about Clay but I'm sensing he's a ways away from what we need to be an effective TE. So once again it looks like it will be primarily Fasano, which will be disappointing, when you look at what other teams around the NFL are doing at the TE spot. I really like the Jimmy Wilson pick in the 7th. I've heard good things about this kid and I think he'll be a good add in ST and in the nickel. All in all, I'd be hard-pressed to give it anything more than a C+.

dm1dolphan,

Does D'Angelo Williams become the top target for this team in FA? Thomas will be OK but I still think we need a big upgrade to our run attack. He won't be enough to make it better than what it was last year. I think target number two has to be somebody at the QB spot, whether that be someone like Marc Bulger, Alex Smith or Vince Young. I'm not a fan of trading for a guy like Kolb and I think McNabb is done. Maybe Palmer becomes the target. I'd also like to see a replacement for Crowder and I think there will be a couple of guys that would be upgrades in FA.

After sleeping on it, Ireland did a pretty good job considering middle 1st round and no 2nd round pic. Hoping Sparano keeps Pouncey at guard simply because there's nobody else that can pull.

Think he panicked a little on Thomas not being there in the 3rd. But who knows? Thomas might have been gone by then.

Really liked the Gates pic. Clay? I don't know, we'll see.


What I didn't like is, no QB pic. I can understand why they didn't pick early. I get it. But I have the belief that good teams develop young QBs. And that just isn't the way the guys look at it. It's either all or nothing, Henne or insert name.

Uh.... where was the "speed" chant when we took Ginn? I like our choices. Didn't get the fullback, but rolling the dice on worthwhile projects in the 7th should be the blueprint for future drafts. Also, can we count Odrick and Edds as incoming rookies this year? Not so bad now huh?

craig,
this draft didn't go even close to the way i expected it to go so i'm not going to even speculate on williams or any FA signings. who knows? i sure as heck don't. would be nice to see them bring in some of the guys that weren't drafted like darbut and lestar jean though.


Ireland added one guys with speed, ONE. Pouncey does not add speed to the team. Thomas is a thumper but does not have the speed to take it the distance. Clay is versatile but lacks the speed to burn the LBers.

Speed, Speed, Speed, instead we get Lumberer, Fumbler and Speed. UUUGGGHHHHH

Penciling Thomas in as a starter means that no veteran RB will be brought in because he wouldn't beat out Ricky or Ronnie and what makes them think that De Angelo wants to be anyone's back up? Reggie Bush back up? Michael Bush back up? if any of these guys are brought in Thomas is not a starter.
Gates will beat out Hartline eventually but will start out as a PR/KR with very little experience at it.Bess will stay in the slot but we don't have a QB who can consistently get the ball deep and accurately. Marshall will have some 20 yard catches but the 40+ yarders in the air, forget it, not with any consistency.

C-

Devonkite, neither Ricky nor Ronnie are under contract. And neither will be back. We still need to pick up a FA running back

Pick 1: Pouncey.
Not sure if he is a Center or Guard but they will try him at Center first then see how it goes.
O-LINE PROJECT with pluses and minuses.

Pick 2: Thomas.
Brusier back who has had fumbling issues and does not have break away speed, he will get caught from behind often, not a homerun hitter.
DECENT RB but not great and not a PLAYMAKER.

Pick 3: Gates.
Great Speed, good hands and body control, raw route runner, can definitely get deep but we have no one to get the ball deep to him without him having to stop and wait for the ball.
Good Pick but he will not start as a WR, he will be a special teams specialist to start.

Pick 4: Clay.
Jack of all trades, master of none. He adds versatility and decent hands and size, but won't start because he doesn't have a true position. Polite will still be FB and Fasano (yuck) will still be the starting TE.
DECENT pickup that adds opportunities for mismatches, but really doesn't have a specific position.

My Grade = C-

We needed speed and playmakers and it appears that we didn't get any sure fire guys with Gates being the closes one, but defenses will see him come in and know that the kid is going to stretch the field and know that pressuring Henne will mean that he can't get the ball down the field deep. We needed QB help and competition. Ireland doesn't take risks so look for someone like Boller or Bulger, but don't look for anyone that may add some excitement to the team, just sad retreads that lost their jobs to better players, certainly not McNabb or Young, no black QBs for Ireland. We will finish around .500 again and both Ireland and Sparano will be gone.

Bobbyd,
I know that they aren't. I was saying that what veteran FA will come in and want to be a backup? Also I think that any of the Vets that have been mentioned here will beat Thomas out as a starter.

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