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Still on the Carson Palmer bandwagon as the Fins best hope

Yes, I am still on the Carson Palmer trade bandwagon.

Laugh if you want. I've been there before. Folks mocked when I was all alone on the Ricky Williams trade bandwagon in 2000 -- except for Williams, who called me from New Orleans to express his interest in the idea, and Dave Wannstedt, who pulled me aside and asked what Williams had said before admitting he'd love to make it happen. It happened nine months later.

So, yes, Carson Palmer to the Dolphins? I continue saying it can definitely happen. I said it before. I'm repeating it now. Iit can happen. 'm for it. I will not allow it to die until it is, well, officially dead.

And it is not dead at this point.

The fact is, quite to the contrary. Every shred of evidence (and it is rare evidence, I grant you) coming from the Bengals is they might actually be inching toward the idea of trading Palmer. And every time I ask around with the Dolphins nobody says, "Dude, you're dreaming, move on."

Everybody in the Dolphins organization I've talked to about the idea so far has said things like, "Carson's pretty good," or, "I like Carson," or, "It's one of our what-ifs."

After I wrote the column on Palmer saying the Dolphins view him as a singular special options above guys like Kyle Orton or Vince Young, I told a high-ranking Dolphins personnel man about my column. He didn't say, "We're definitely going to do that." He did say, "He's a great kid. That would be something to think about for a long time. But he's not available right now."

So I'm not abandoning the idea until the idea deserves full abandonment. And that time has not come. Quite the opposite.

The latest twist on this possibility is an ESPN report stating the Bengals are among the teams that would be interested in Philadelphia's Kevin Kolb. Obviously, neither Kolb nor Palmer can be moved at the moment as the league is in lockout mode. But when that lifts, free agents will move, trades will be allowed. And everyone believes Kolb will become available via trade.

If the Bengals, who own the draft's No. 4 overall selection, get a QB, you should think they won't be involved in the Kolb sweepstakes. But if they don't get a QB there, Kolb will be a possibility for them. And if Kolb is on campus in Cincy, Palmer is no longer needed, thank you very little.

So the Bengals will have the choice of allowing Palmer to sit on his backside and get nothing for him. Or they will have the option of trading him.

The scenario becomes more complex if the Bengals pick a QB early because while it suggests Palmer is no longer in their plans long-term, it obviously doesn't close the door on him immediately the way Kolb's arrival would.

A little aside here: I have spoken to a league source whom the Bengals approached about QBs well before the story about Palmer wanting out of Cincinnati broke. The source told me in January that the Bengals were going to be looking at QBs as they prepared for life without Palmer. So at that point, they were readying for the possibility of moving on without Palmer.

Maybe they knew the storm that was coming -- that Palmer, sick and tired of being sick and tired in Cincinnati's often dysfunctional organization, wanted out and was vehement about it to the point of threatening retirement. Maybe way back then, the Bengals believed Palmer had played his final game for them.

I know, I know. Publicly, the Bengals' stance continues to be Palmer is their QB and he will play in Cincinnati or retire. Hey, doesn't that sound like the stance Bill Parcells took on Jason Taylor in 2008? Yeah, that was the stance the Dolphins had just before they traded Jason Taylor to Washington.

The point is, that is the public stance a team must take to keep hopes of getting value in return for a player. If the Bengals even hint they are moving on from Palmer, the price for him drops. And they do not want that because they would want the highest return possible for him.

I know some of you are reading this and telling yourselves, "The Dolphins shouldn't want Carson Palmer. He's not that good."

That is not an opinion without merit. But it is one without facts.

What if I told you Miami can add a QB that threw 26 TD passes last year in what was considered a bad year for him? That number of TD passes, by the way, represents 11 more TDs than Chad Henne threw and nine more than Miami threw as a team.

Yes, Palmer threw 20 interceptions. But Henne threw 19 interceptions and Miami threw a total of 21 altogether.

So plug those stats into Miami's 2011. Would the Dolphins have been better with 63 more points on the board and one fewer interception? Yeah, I would tell you they would have been. No doubt.

Are you aware Palmer completed 61.8 percent of his passes? Are you aware his QB rating was 90 or better in six games, including a 345-yard performance against the Patriots last year? Are you aware the guy was playing behind an offensive line that made Miami's seem like a Pro Bowl unit by comparison?

Are you aware Palmer won't be 32 years old until December? And Tom Brady, the QB everyone in the division hates to face, will be 34 years old during the same season?

Palmer would make the Dolphins a playoff contender, an actual true playoff contender, immediately. Maybe you hate that idea. Maybe you like the idea of picking Ryan Mallet or Andy Dalton, or Colin Kaepernick or Ricky Stanzi or Christian Ponder and hoping he becomes a good player by 2012 or 2013 or before the Rapture. Maybe the idea of being irrelevant for a couple of more years doesn't bother you.

Me? I know Palmer is good now. I think he'll be good for another five years or so, so the notion that adding him is only a temporary fix is bogus.

I like the fact there are little shreds of evidence that Cincinnati might warm to the idea of actually trading Palmer. 

And I'm not going to drop the idea of the Dolphins getting him until is it absolutely out of the question. That time has not yet arrived.

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Sorry but I watched Palmer in 8 games last year and he is not an elite QB. Trade Henne and 4 rounder for him and draft Mallet.

Mallet Mallet Mallet...go get him. please

It's funny how Armando glosses over the fact that Palmer had 20 interceptions last year as if that somehow is better than the 19 Henne had.

It's funny how Armando mentions the 6 games where Palmer had a 90+ passer rating but conveniently omits the passer ratings for the other 10 games Palmer played in as if they don't really count.

It's funny how Armando mentions the one 345 yard passing game of Palmer but fails to mention that Henne also had a 300+ yards passing game.

It's funny how Armando mentions the sub-par O-line of Cincy but fails to mention that Palmer also had 3 times the number of weapons at the skilled positions (Ocho, T.O. Jermaine Gresham, Cedric Benson and Jordan Shipley).

It's funny that Armando doesn't comment on the character of a guy (Palmer) who wants to bail on his teammates when the going gets tough. Will he do the same in Miami?

It's funny how Armando doesn't mention that Henne has started only 27 games compared to Palmer's 6 years of being an NFL QB.

All of this is real funny...sort of.

Carson Palmer is never going to make the Dolphins a competitor. Sorry, but his good days are pretty clearly over, and it would be a ludicrous waste of a good pick to take him off the Bungles' hands. As for him being better than Mallett, he's more ready to start in the short term, but in the long term Mallett has more chance of being the future.

Well let's hope that Armando's wrong on this one, I can't see Palmer bringing anything to this team.

DyingBreed has made some new friends it seems LOL

I'd like us to move up to #9 where Dallas sits and get Cam Newton or Gabbert. If that happens, we will be giving Dallas future picks too and likely won't be trading away more for Carson Palmer. The draft, not only for the Dolphins, but Bengals and other teams, will totally change everything in regards to where Carson Palmer goes. So talking about it right now doesn't make sense. He's not available yet and it can't happen

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ARMANDO:

YEAH PALMER THREW MORE TDs.

HE WAS PLAYING 2 TEAMERS BY HALFTIME.

Mando,

Carson Palmer would be bad move for this team. Here is why.

1. His best years are behind him. He has never come back from his injury. I watched many a Bengals game last year, and he struggled with accuracy, badly. Missing badly on slants, throwing multiple picks that cost them games, he did it all last year.

2. His 26 tds is not that impressive. The Bengals had one of the most talented receiving corps in the league last year with Cinco, TO, Caldwell (I think that's his name, the 3rd WR) and the WR moonlighting as a TE, Jermaine Gresham. They are stacked. He should have thrown 35 tds, and he would have, if he wasn't so innacurate.

And it's actually 25 TDs, lest us not forget that pick that went off Clemons hands and into Ocho Cincos. That was a terrible, terrible, terrible pass.

That 26 td stat is misleading, to say the least given the firepower that offense had.

3. MARC BULGER IS A WAY BETTER OPTION. When he is standing up behind a solid offensive line, he can be elite. He was on the awful Rams for long time where they lacked the offensive line and weapons for him to even have a chance. He took a beating. But after sitting behind Flacco for a year he is ready challenge for a starting job, which is what the Dolphins need.

Palmer comes in and he thinks its his job. Then he struggles and we spend 2011 in a damn QB controversy.

Not what we need.

We need a guy like Bulger. Who was a backup last year. Comes in and challenges Henne, and if Henne struggles, takes it over and runs with it.

You could sell that to Bulger. You can't sell that to Palmer. He isn't going to leave to come in as a backup. And bringing him in to start is a terrible idea. We have invested this much in Henne, let's see what he does with a coordinator that doesn't take our best offensive weapon off the field to run a declared run play on 3rd and 6.

Let's not quit on Henne yet. Yes, he is a gunshy robot. But this is his third year starting and he showed flashes of greatness over the last two seasons.


Yes, Henne has to make changes, and just throw the damn thing up to Marshall more often. But if he can do that, he might turn the corner.

Bringing Bulger in to put heat on him is the perfect move.

Had Bulger been playing for the Bengals last year they would have won 4 more games and he would have thrown for at least 32 tds.

Palmer is busted, and will never get back to where he was. I would rather take a chance on Henne turning the corner then relinquishing the team to Bulger, who showed signs of greatness when he wasn't on his back.

Instead of handing the team to Palmer, then dealing with a qb controversy for the first half of the season when he sucks.

If he couldn't get it done with TO, Ocho Cinco, Caldwell, and Gresham, he sure won't get it done with Marshall, Bess, Hartline and Fasano.

Henne, then Bulger if he doesn't turn the corner. That's our move.

DYING CREEP IS A MAN OF NO INTEGRITY AT ALL .HE REPRESNT ALL WHAT'S WRONG WITH OUR FAN BASE WITH HIS MASTER ARMANDO .


NOT DYING BREED..... YOU COULD BE RIGHT ABOUT BUT THIS YEAR WILL BE A PLAYOFFS YEAR OR TRADING HIM FOR GOOD AT THE END OF THE YEAR .

YOU COULD BE RIGHT ABOUT HENNE

Let's not forget that of Palmers 25 tds, probably about half came in garbage time.

My response, as a Dolphins fan is NO! NO! No!

No one knows in any way if Henne is a keeper of not.

What we do know, is he has the pedigree to be a keeper, he has the arm, he is smart ENOUGH, he has a tangible skill set.

So that being said he has a better chance to be a keeper than not.

He has not given us #'s to warrant him a keeper yet, but there were far more external factors to point at than his own issues, to give him credit.

The truth is, I do not hate the bulger idea either brought up here. WE NEED COMPETITION to keep Henne honest and help him EARN the job if he is good enough.

Most importantly we need a offense that is not predicable and a O-line that can be consistant. so no matter who the QB is we give them a fair chance to succeed.

cocoa i agree there's only one hungry wolf!

boring cp talk all thanks to a.s.

i don't mind us getting a vet but only one that gets cut coz we shouldn't be wasting this years or next years picks, ross has got cash not pics (thats bellychick)so that means they're not gonna be great (mcnabb, a smith, troy smith, bear's 3rd stringer etc and for me these guys are the same risk as over the hill, banged up, loaded... palmer) but get their chance if henne or the newby rookie (whoever that is) suck


armando why don't you give us a mock trade down extravaganza i.e. what options do u think are realistic? it'll give u something to take your mind off cp, which by the way is looking like an unhealthy mancrush

Well poison you make some sense on Henne but he had 2 years and I never saw the smarts you speak of.

gotta forget about mallett; he cant move his feet. we already got a guy who cant move in the pocket or out of the pocket. i'd take kevin kolb and give up our #15 pick. draft mcelroy(smart and accurate) from bama in the middle rounds. problem solved!

d-dense... Hence the "enough" in the quote. His not brilliant by any means. But is smart enough to play the position.

this is henne's 4th year. he's already lost the locker room. players look to penne not henne.

Idk poizen he really would have to earn it

greg z,

this the second year for henne AS A STARTER AND HE HAS WINNING RECORD ABOVE 500 .......................

greg

if u like kolb then what u say makes sense, but i don't i think he's unproven and i believe (but i realise that others don't) that an improved henne will be as good as kolb (not the same as kolb)

if kolb is so good and the future for our team then u don't need a rookie qb this year

if he's not then u shouldn't be trading our 15 for him, our fo need to be building a strong young team with talent across the board

they have to strike gold with 15 or trade down

kolb doesn't look like young gold to me

Greg, this is his 3rd year at a starter, and where did you hear "he" lost the locker room?

the locker room was lost by the coaches, I believe that 100%. No one on that team believed in the game plan, and or believed they were going to win EVERY game.

That is a terrible start. Please be objective about this. Henne has had his share of bad games. But it is not like his bad games were BECAUSE of him. the guy never had a consistant pocket, never mind piss-terrible coaching and game plans.

He has had 300 yard games with this same offense, and predictible game plans. That speaks more volumes than the failures.

Anyway, I am kicking the crap out of a dead horse here, meaning my opinion.

If your gonna hate Henne than do it, I get it, last year SUCKED!

But if you step back and look at it, he has not gotten a fair shake with a above average game plan, coaching O-line and players since he has been on this team. He has had one or two in a given year. But not all of them.

And before you debate that, name the top 10 QB's in the league, and you tell me if they have even had close to the crappy coaching, and o-line that Henne has dealt with. (If you think you can win that part of the discussion I have a bridge in NY to sell you)

I don't know more than anyone else if Henne will be successful or not, I just can't bash him like a lot of people here knowing he has been delt some real crappy hands.

GREG Z IS MAKING THINGS UP AS DAYING CREEP .

i'm with u poizen, crap play calling, crap oline, no running game, ints coz of slipping receivers etc

ravens game int 1 hartline slips (ravens don't score on possesion)

int 2 marshall jumps 2 inches off ground and tips ball

int 3 there's something like 46 secs left and we need 2 scores, was the worst throw though


just for example

we lost coz rice ran and caught dump off's/screens all over us

Mark Bulger?????? I don't usually do this because these are all opinions. Is this the same Mark Bulger that didn't play a snap last year? The same Mark Bulger that has thrown more interceptions then TD's the previous three years before last year? Talk about being finished.

Bulger had a few good years in a SYSTEM that matched his skill set. That was years ago. If you want to argue that Carson Palmer is in that same boat that is fine. But suggesting that Bulger is a guy that can come out from beneath his NFL grave. And give Henne a run at the starting job is unrealistic(IMO)Bulger?

I would love to see Palmer wearing aqua and orange!!! It will be great for the offense and he is already used to playing with a wide receiver that is high maintenance.

I just hope that if we do go through with it, that we would be wise in not giving up too much for him.

God Bless Mando!!

we are all fin fans and we all have different ideas on how to improve the team. my opinions on henne were formed in the past 3 training camps in davie where everyone gathered with excitement to get a first look at the players for that season. henne,with all the coaching and all the snaps, never took control and led the team. he never bonded with his receivers and was often seen standing alone in games. he never was able to make a variety of throws or vary speeds and loft. it was painful to watch. henne couldnt run a 2 minute offense or connect deep with an open receiver by laying it out there for him to run under. plays were killed early or balls were thrown into the stands. i hope he can drastically improve and actually win the qb position but i dont believe it because i havent seen it. worst of all henne doesnt slide in the pocket or extend plays. in short,he failed to develop and was a major disappointment to parcells. it was just last year he lost the starting job to penne whose arm was "gone". henne wasnt elected as one of the 4 captains which says something. i gotta rely on what i saw;not blind hope.

Darryl, I agree with you also. I guess my biggest point is. Let's get a guy here who at some point played the game at a relativly high level at some point. that person should have confidence and had to have some ability.

that is what we need to bring here, so that under the same conditions here in Miami he will be forced to out play henne for the job.

One of these rookies in this draft is not realistic to even compete with Henne right away.

I for one believe this team is a very strong team in search of a consistant coaching identity that is effective. Plus the o-line needs to get better. :P

But that being said, bring in any Vet that has proven he can play, and may still be able to play at a high level, (that does not quit on his team when things go wrong.)(insert Vince young for the last sentence, he is a quitter)

The reason I say this is tat would prove if Henne is capable or not. If Henne out plays the guy we bring in, then we have a more than capable QB. If he does not we move on. If they both suck then we know it is coaching that sucks, and then there will be new coached who bring in their own guys. Either way, we get answers.

Aloco,
Henne doesn't have a winning record as starter. He's 13-14.

To those on the anti-Henne anti-Mallett squad, please consider these words:

It is not an either or proposal. You Take our starting QB, Henne, and bring in his sophmore...Mallett. You then have a competition that will spur one another...Kick Pennington to the curb. A distraction at best.

Mallett in the first round would push Henne. Mallett and Henne would push each other. The two would compliment one another, to the point both prevail.

Both throw bullets exceeding 70 mph...Marino's fastest clocked, 70 mph. Chad? Zero mph, and a freakin viocebox that spawns insecurity amid the QB ranks...

Do anyone of you remember being in a consequentional situation at the age of 13, 18, 25? If you haven't, you've lead one boring life, and probably wont relate to my next hundred key-strokes...

When a younger man (even though bigger, stronger, faster) is pitted against the older, wiser, senior, the "intimidation factor" rears its head. That obsticle applies to the Penni Henne constraint.

That is why I am high on drafting Mallett, and expecting his draft to not only compliment Henne, but to insure our future is addressed should the unforeseen injury takes out our starter mid-season.

PS. A football travels 102 feet per second at 70 mph. Mallett doesn't have to run to get ten yards. He and Henne do it in the blink of an eye. If the freakin reciever holds...

GREG Z, WHAT DID YOU SEE IN MARSHALL ?

I STAND CORRECTED BY BOULDER ,STILL I BELIEVE HE WILL TAKE US TO THT PLAYOFF NEXT SEASON ...WE WILL DO BETTER THAN 7-1 .

aloco, you need to learn to debate with thought; not just call people names because you dont agree. this is a blog with different opinions. there is no right or wrong. no one knows;they are our best guesses.

GREG,

I AM VERY SORRY IF I DID OFFEND YOU .YOU R RIGHT ON SAYING IT'S ABOUT VIEWS NO RIGHT OR WRONG ,I FORGOT ABOUT THAT .

I SEE OTHER OPINONS THAT ARE STUPID THAT IS WHY. ALSO THEY ARE FROM THE JOBLESS GANG OIF DEFEAT I WORK TO PAY THERE WELFARE CHECKS OF SO I AM ALLOW

ALOCO @ 1;15 IS ARMANDO THE IMPOSTER .THANK YOU

aloco, marshall was exciting in camp. he ran good patterns and schooled our db's daily making some great catches. he did drop balls also. what stood out however was that he and henne had no visible communication on or off the field. i'm not sure if it was our system or the qb but we werent on the same page and the offense stalled in practice everyday. seldom if ever did the offense go right down the field for a score. this year we dont really have a qb coach.

GREG,

REMEMBER OUR OC DABALL USE TO BE THE QB COACH IN FEW TEAMS BEFORE COMING HERE .

If Marino says give up a third round pick for Palmer then that's all the Bengals would get. Personally I don't like the idea but a change in venue may be all Palmer needs. Vince Young, my opinion, is the better value in the long run.

HENNE IS STILL VERY YOUNG LIKE A DEER IN THE FOIREST WHEN THEY FIRST LEARN TO NOT BE AFRAD OF TREES AND LITTLE AMINALS AND THEN THEY GET MORE BRAVER. HE WILL HAVE ANTLERS THIS YEAR AND BE A PLAY OFF QARTERBACK

Aloco, assuming Pitt/Balt, NE/NYJ, SD/KC & Indy win their divisions, we'll have to finish with a better record than the loser of the East & North to get a Wildcard spot.

Based on how well those 4 teams we'd have to finish ahead of have played the last 2-4 years, how exactly did you form your belief that Miami will be in the playoffs next season?

Once again, it's about realism vs. optimism. Optimistically, anything's possible. Realistically? Not so likely.

You know what I hate most about the way you write? It's the way you always try to end on some sort of poignant closure... But its so obvious that it's cheesy, like jokes on "Full House" or "The Suite Life of Zach and Cody", or "Reba". Wait a second, did you write for "Reba", Mando? I think you did, especially after the way you ended this block; it was especially Reba-ish. Then again, I never actually saw 1 single second of "Reba", but I'm assuming each episode ended with similarly forced cheese.

THEY WILL BE 9 AND FIVE THERE WILL ONLY BE THAT MANY GAME BECAUSE OF THE STRIKE ((NO TRANING CAMP THIS YEAR ETHER)) AND WILL GET THE WILD CARD BRADY WILL GET HURT AGAIN THE JETS ARE OLD SAN DIEGFO IS OLD KANSAS CITY NOT THAT GOOD INDANAPOLIS NOT THAT GOOD ANY MOPRE. APE CITY COULD BEAT THEM NOW

CHICKEN IS THE ONLY WHITE MEAT I WILL EAT. BIATCHES

Joe, I actually believe this team has an above average chance of making the playoffs also.

This would be the second year with the new D coord. so the D should gel. I think it is no secret the management of this team with still beef up the Defense.

We are only a O-line and a good game plan away from a good shot at the playoffs. The talent is there. JMO

aloco, yes daboll will have a hand in helping the qb. he did in cleveland too.

Henne with antlers?

I thought he looked pretty silly with Boobies, but ANTLERS................?

The funny thing about what Armando is promoting, trying to trade for Carson Palmer. Or what myself and several others would like to see, that is Ryan Mallet being drafted by Miami and allowing Henne to continue to start while Mallet sits a year to develop. Is that any of those ideas or a combination of them would improve the team.

Even taking Christian Ponder, a guy who has played in a pro style offense and with a great head on his shoulders would be a positive. I will not comment on Jake Locker because he is the one QB with experience and talent that I am not 100% sure of. What I believe WILL NOT improve the team is making a huge reach for way underdeveloped talents like Kaepernick or Stanzi. To me neither the team nor its coaching and management are in any position to draft a 3 to 4 year project when already hurting for draft picks.

One thing is for certain. Armando hit the nail right on the head with one comment he made. In reference to that comment, I believe the only position that Miami can improve RIGHT NOW, THIS YEAR... that will make this team an instant playoff possibility is the QB position. Chad Pennington proved that beyond a shadow of a doubt. Miami has the Defense to compete against anyone, has enough talent on offense (so long as the QB is playing well) to be a credible threat to any team in the league. Even when Henne was on Miami looked like a team that could win anywhere. They hold a 4 out of 6 record against the Jests. Who are the 2nd best team in the AFC. And they hold that record since Sparano and “Fat Boy with a Foot Fetish” started coaching each team. They have competed closely in nearly every game they have played short NE (who killed us) and Chicago (where Miami injuries were overwhelming). An improvement at QB and QB alone will bring this team to 10-6... everything else… RB, WR, O-Line is a big "Hope so"... You can argue it and say what you please… But QB is where Miami struggles the most. They have for 11 years straight… and that is a fact all day long.

ODISEYE A DEER IS SCARED OF THE WOODS UNTIL THEY GROW THERE ANTLAERS OUT AND THEN THEY ARE BRAVE. HENNE WILL HAVE ANTLERS NEXT SEASON..... IT IS LIKE OTHER AMINALS ALSO LIKE WHEN A LION GROWS THERE TEETH AND A SNAKE GETS THERE FANG AND A BEAR GETS BIG HANDS THEN THEY ARENT AFRAID ANY MORE

ARMANDO THE IMPOSTER .

Derek,

This is not an attack. Just me respectfully disagreeing.

I think the only thing Pennington proved was that he just couldn't get it done. Both season's he started here, he started out 0-3.

By happenstance, the Wildcat saved Pennington that first year. David Lee had to reach deep into the desperation bag and just out of sheer luck, Dan Henning was the only OC old enough to remember how to use the single wing.

So I think the firing of Henning and the hiring of Daboll will already improve our run game, our pass game and in so doing our QB play in general and overall.

While Mando and everyone else is jumping on the Palmer and Mallet bandwagons, I myself am jumping on the Daboll Bandwagon!

(God, I don't believe I just typed this. But what the heck do you expect, I'm Dolphin Fan!)

Derek, I 100% disagree. Miami's biggest struggle last year was o-line and bad gmae day plans with no creativity. I think you are way off base. you can not point at a QB if those two things are not functioning properly first.

Aloco,

I was with you right up to the Bear getting big hands. Claws would have been the right answer.

As Ted Nugent and The Amboy Dukes so aptly put it:

Tooth Fang and Claw!!!!

No offense to Armando but a big part of the reason the fins are in the spot they are is because of Ricky and all the players we gave up when he quit.

Not to pile on Derek, but is anyone else concerned that if we got Mallet (and kept Henne), we'd have 2 sitting ducks for the pass rush? We already know Henne can't evade a rush via telegraph or pony express, and everything I heard pointed to Mallet being the same way. So, two of the slowest statues on Earth on one team during a time period in the league where QBs are becoming more evasive is just another signal that Miami doesn't now or never might GET IT!!!! Even take Brady, Mr. Guaranteed. If he has no protection, he's about as automatic as David Carr. The only other guy I can think of that isn't very mobile is Philip Rivers, but again, he has a great oline protecting him. Other than that, the QBs in the league who are at the top of the list are all mobile (Rodgers, Vick, Big Ben, Brees, even Peyton has a quick release, so it's hard to get to him).

So, maybe we shouldn't have 2 QBs with the same deficiencies, huh?

I agree with some of the bloggers here too. I would pull the trigger for Palmer if:

1. We only relinquish a 2011 4th round and a 2010 3rd round pick...(We can include Henne in the deal)
2. If available with the 15th Pick take Mallett.
3. If Mallett is gone by pick 15, then trade the 15th pick for a later pick in the 1st and a 2nd round.
4. With the 1st round pick take Mike Pouncey G/C out of Florida. He's a great pulling guard. Then, with the 2nd round pick select RB Randall Cobb, DeMarcus Murray or Ryan Williams.

I think that trading for Palmer is a great 3-5 year plan. He can be a mentor for Mallett, Ponder, or Dalton.

Think about this scenario make a lot of sense.

Poizen, your comments, valid or not, is not the question I posed Aloco. I can pose the same to you. Optimism or personal thoughts aside, which team will we finish ahead of to get a wildcard spot? NYJ/NE or Balt/Pitt? I think it's a pretty safe bet that NE is the front runners to win the East.

Since we can't win another division, that leaves 2 Wildcard spots as our only way in to the playoffs.

Based on your last post, you said you think Miami has an above average chance we get in. Does that mean you think we have an above average chance of finishing ahead of NE/NY or Pitt/Balt? To me, that is not a likelyhood or a probability, it's an optimistic view.

It's not about how we improve or not, it's about if we catch up to other teams ahead of us. IMHO, the likely hood is slim that we can outplace any of those teams. And if we can't, be prepared for another non playoff season.

mentor my FOOT.... MENTOR MY FOOT...HOW CAN A GUY WHO HAS 86 MILLION IN THE BANK AND 46 YEARS OLD BE A MENTOR AT 14 MILLION A YEAR ............ ROSS'S MONEY NOT FOR THE TAKING ANY MORE .

JOE SCHMOE............... GREAT POST @3;25 AND SPEAK OF A REALIST FAN WITH GREAT THOUGHTS .

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