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Still on the Carson Palmer bandwagon as the Fins best hope

Yes, I am still on the Carson Palmer trade bandwagon.

Laugh if you want. I've been there before. Folks mocked when I was all alone on the Ricky Williams trade bandwagon in 2000 -- except for Williams, who called me from New Orleans to express his interest in the idea, and Dave Wannstedt, who pulled me aside and asked what Williams had said before admitting he'd love to make it happen. It happened nine months later.

So, yes, Carson Palmer to the Dolphins? I continue saying it can definitely happen. I said it before. I'm repeating it now. Iit can happen. 'm for it. I will not allow it to die until it is, well, officially dead.

And it is not dead at this point.

The fact is, quite to the contrary. Every shred of evidence (and it is rare evidence, I grant you) coming from the Bengals is they might actually be inching toward the idea of trading Palmer. And every time I ask around with the Dolphins nobody says, "Dude, you're dreaming, move on."

Everybody in the Dolphins organization I've talked to about the idea so far has said things like, "Carson's pretty good," or, "I like Carson," or, "It's one of our what-ifs."

After I wrote the column on Palmer saying the Dolphins view him as a singular special options above guys like Kyle Orton or Vince Young, I told a high-ranking Dolphins personnel man about my column. He didn't say, "We're definitely going to do that." He did say, "He's a great kid. That would be something to think about for a long time. But he's not available right now."

So I'm not abandoning the idea until the idea deserves full abandonment. And that time has not come. Quite the opposite.

The latest twist on this possibility is an ESPN report stating the Bengals are among the teams that would be interested in Philadelphia's Kevin Kolb. Obviously, neither Kolb nor Palmer can be moved at the moment as the league is in lockout mode. But when that lifts, free agents will move, trades will be allowed. And everyone believes Kolb will become available via trade.

If the Bengals, who own the draft's No. 4 overall selection, get a QB, you should think they won't be involved in the Kolb sweepstakes. But if they don't get a QB there, Kolb will be a possibility for them. And if Kolb is on campus in Cincy, Palmer is no longer needed, thank you very little.

So the Bengals will have the choice of allowing Palmer to sit on his backside and get nothing for him. Or they will have the option of trading him.

The scenario becomes more complex if the Bengals pick a QB early because while it suggests Palmer is no longer in their plans long-term, it obviously doesn't close the door on him immediately the way Kolb's arrival would.

A little aside here: I have spoken to a league source whom the Bengals approached about QBs well before the story about Palmer wanting out of Cincinnati broke. The source told me in January that the Bengals were going to be looking at QBs as they prepared for life without Palmer. So at that point, they were readying for the possibility of moving on without Palmer.

Maybe they knew the storm that was coming -- that Palmer, sick and tired of being sick and tired in Cincinnati's often dysfunctional organization, wanted out and was vehement about it to the point of threatening retirement. Maybe way back then, the Bengals believed Palmer had played his final game for them.

I know, I know. Publicly, the Bengals' stance continues to be Palmer is their QB and he will play in Cincinnati or retire. Hey, doesn't that sound like the stance Bill Parcells took on Jason Taylor in 2008? Yeah, that was the stance the Dolphins had just before they traded Jason Taylor to Washington.

The point is, that is the public stance a team must take to keep hopes of getting value in return for a player. If the Bengals even hint they are moving on from Palmer, the price for him drops. And they do not want that because they would want the highest return possible for him.

I know some of you are reading this and telling yourselves, "The Dolphins shouldn't want Carson Palmer. He's not that good."

That is not an opinion without merit. But it is one without facts.

What if I told you Miami can add a QB that threw 26 TD passes last year in what was considered a bad year for him? That number of TD passes, by the way, represents 11 more TDs than Chad Henne threw and nine more than Miami threw as a team.

Yes, Palmer threw 20 interceptions. But Henne threw 19 interceptions and Miami threw a total of 21 altogether.

So plug those stats into Miami's 2011. Would the Dolphins have been better with 63 more points on the board and one fewer interception? Yeah, I would tell you they would have been. No doubt.

Are you aware Palmer completed 61.8 percent of his passes? Are you aware his QB rating was 90 or better in six games, including a 345-yard performance against the Patriots last year? Are you aware the guy was playing behind an offensive line that made Miami's seem like a Pro Bowl unit by comparison?

Are you aware Palmer won't be 32 years old until December? And Tom Brady, the QB everyone in the division hates to face, will be 34 years old during the same season?

Palmer would make the Dolphins a playoff contender, an actual true playoff contender, immediately. Maybe you hate that idea. Maybe you like the idea of picking Ryan Mallet or Andy Dalton, or Colin Kaepernick or Ricky Stanzi or Christian Ponder and hoping he becomes a good player by 2012 or 2013 or before the Rapture. Maybe the idea of being irrelevant for a couple of more years doesn't bother you.

Me? I know Palmer is good now. I think he'll be good for another five years or so, so the notion that adding him is only a temporary fix is bogus.

I like the fact there are little shreds of evidence that Cincinnati might warm to the idea of actually trading Palmer. 

And I'm not going to drop the idea of the Dolphins getting him until is it absolutely out of the question. That time has not yet arrived.

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See Aloco, realism is the way to go. Not optimist, gang of defeat or whatever...embrace realism!

I've been called belligerent, unrealistic, ridiculous....but if that's the reality, I'm all about it. :)

Imagine if the Denver Broncos who already have Tim Tebow also pick Cam Newton!
Believe the Broncos offense could certainly continue to change the face of the NFL offense

That would be two of the best and toughest young QBs to ever come out of college football on the same team, were nowadays w defensive players becoming so strong and brutal 2 good QBs is a must.

Home will always be a Miami Dolphin fan first, but will always be a fan of the entire NFL and watch all teams, cheering for great plays on both sides of the ball.

Home would try to catch EVERY Broncos game if Newton was drafted to compliment Tebow
Wow! Would that be exciting to watch

Coming into the reality that Palmer or Young will be this regimes answer to QB competition for Henne, who will probably be the Dolphins starting QB again
Yes, another rook QB will be signed but probably just a long shot needing much development

Gonna be interesting to see what Jeff Ireland can do reaching into his bag of tricks on 4.28.11


exactly, henne will always be "a dear in headlights" as far a quality qb goes. he does not have the leadership or ability to be a sucessful qb in the nfl. EVER!

sorry,deer.

they might be able to land orton also.

dolphin77,

"dear, deer", whatever slight you wish to project, you have no clue as to how Henne may develope this year...much less over an entire career.

You have no clue as to this starter's potential. To pick him apart at this stage, does not make you an expert, but simply full of
crap.

Henne will throw for 4,000 yards this season, barring injury, and a full slated season...

Finheavenblows!...you went back a almost 30 years to name just 6 splashy QB success stories, only 2 of which have netted Super Bowl wins, so far. I would say that is "rare". We've had 2 duds of our own in the last 5 years...Culpepper and Green. And as good as Pennington is he was only on the field 1 year since he has injury issues due to being older. So that's 3 splashy vet pick-ups for Miami in recent past that essentially did not work.

If Marino says no more than a 3rd rounder for Palmer then that's what we're gonna do..............hopefully.

Trade Merling and rights to Thigpen to Cincy for Carson Palmer. Trade down in draft and take Mallett in first, WR Torrey Smith in second, TE Williams in third, RB in fourth, OL in fifth. BPA to include another RB with remaining 4 picks.

Mondo,

Carson Palmer traded to the Dolphins ? Never happen. First of all, the Dolphins wont pay gaggles of money to a 32 yr old QB who cant avoid tacklers, unless its Payton Manning. Now lets move on to the draft where the Fish will draft Ryan Malett somewhere between 15th and 24th pick depending on how many times they trade down.

Are you sick and tired of looking at the list of QB's that have come through this town since Marino retired that did not live up to the hype. Now you want to add Palmer who is no better that Henne, just older and more expensive?

The Phins should have 2 options; develop Henne or find the QB of the future....stop signing QB retreads that last for a year and a half and then leave town with their tails between their legs. That is just prolonging the misery!!!

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