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The definitive look at the remaining QB possibilities

The Dolphins will address their need to add a quarterback to the roster once the league year begins and free agency and trades are allowed. That isn't speculation.

The Dolphins will do this because they could not find a quarterback in the draft they were willing to take when they were on the clock.

“Well I think we’ll have to look in free agency if we’re going to do that," general manager Jeff Ireland said. "Certainly we’ll look at all the quarterbacks in depth and (you know) the board didn’t fall right for us to pick up a quarterback. I didn’t feel like we were desperate for one and so we didn’t adjust our board to try to go after one. We stuck with our board and let it fall as it did.”

In a perfect world, the Dolphins would be able to find a player that could be a franchise caliber quarterback. there is really only one of those in the group that is likely to be available. His name is Carson Palmer. If Palmer doesn't become available, and the chances are good he will not, the Dolphins have to get creative and lower their expectations all at once.

What follows is an extensive look at the quarterbacks who are likely to be available and what their situation looks like. I present to you the signal-callers in order of how likely each player would be the answer for the quarterback-hungry Dolphins.

Carson Palmer: I told you in mid March that Dolphins sources were telling me he would be their No. 1 option if he becomes available and at the right time. The Cincinnati Bengals own his rights. He hates the idea of going back to Cincy to a degree that he's promised to retire if he's not traded. The Bengals have said they will not trade him, but they also have obviously moved on -- picking Andy Dalton in the second round of last week's draft. So perhaps the Bengals stick to their word. And perhaps they try to get something for Palmer. It could be nothing. It could be everything! If the Bengals put Palmer on the market, I report to you the Dolphins will be in line to get him. But even if that happens, other teams might also be in line, including Seattle and Arizona. Palmer has stated he'd like to play on the west coast. Seattle coach Pete Carroll coached him at USC. One small bit of trivia: Palmer's agent was also Dan Marino's agent back in the day. Don't know what that means, or if its too much information but I want to share as much with you as possible.

Marc Bulger: He will be starting his 11th NFL season in 2011. He was once considered among the most accurate and most-gifted quarterbacks in the NFL. That was circa 2004-2006. That was also when he was playing behind a solid offensive line and with some talent around him. But the Rams declined as the talent around Bulger aged and disappeared. So he declined. He got beat up and seemed beat down when I saw him play against Miami in 2008. He was bailing out of the pocket. He was rushing his throws. He had happy feet. Bulger was injured in 2009 and then signed a one-year free agent contract with the Ravens in 2010. He did not throw a pass in a game. Some people believe that year off served as a rehab of sorts for Bulger -- a time to heal and find himself again. He will be on the market. And there will be takers because Arizona, for one, might see him as a reclamation project similar to the one they undertook with Kurt Warner -- which worked out pretty well. I believe if the Dolphins cannot get Palmer, Bulger will be their second target. Not anything anyone has whispered to me. Speculation. But it is logical. The Dolphins can sign Bulger for a year or two and offer him a chance to win a starting job. If he beats out Henne, so be it. If he doesn't, he sits. Arizona might be able to offer him the starting job outright. We'll see.

Kyle Orton: He is limited. He is also under contract in Denver. This would have to involve a trade. That would mean the Broncos would have to be willing to get rid of a security blanket. It would signal that club president John Elway is handing the keys to the franchise to Tim Tebow. I don't know that Denver would be ready to do that in the offseason. Elway might want to wait until a training camp competition decides matters. If Elway is convinced Tebow is going to be his quarterback, he might want to get rid of Orton to avoid a QB controversy and also to save Orton's salary and and get compensation for Orton in return. That's not really a situation the Dolphins or any other outside team can really drive. 

Matt Flynn: He is never, ever, ever going to play in Green Bay unless something happens to Aaron Rodgers. So the Packers might be willing to part with this youngster (and winner) for the right draft pick compensation. He played when Rodgers was injured last season. He had a nice performance (3 TD, 1 INT) versus the Patriots in a 31-27 loss. It was his only start of the season. The case for Flynn is simple: He played collegiately in the Southeastern Conference and helped LSU win the national title. He's been very well coached in Green Bay. He's only 25 years old which suggests he could be part of the future. But ... He's unproven and moreso than Henne. He has played in the West Coast offense and the Dolphins don't run that. If the Dolphins are looking at the QB spot with a view of the future, this might be a good move. If they want someone for right now, and aren't eager to give up even modest draft picks, this isn't the move.

Kerry Collins: If this was 2001 instead of 2011, Collins would make great sense. But Collins is 38 years old now and there is no knowing how much he has left in the tank. I'd say he's a good option as a veteran backup that can pick up a game or two in a crisis. But compete to win the job? that is seriously hoping against hope. So why is Collins on this list? He's still got a great arm. He's good in the locker room. He's a professional. He has no off-the-field issues. To me, he makes perfect sense back at Tennessee where he can tutor Jake Locker. I assume that will be his preference. But you never know. He's one of the few guys on this list that isn't exclusively a West Coast offense quarterback.

Matt Hasselbeck: He was amazing in the postseason, throwing seven TDs and and only one INT. I don't know if he was finally healthy. I don't know if he was playing for a new contract. I don't know if the 35-year-old took a drink from the Fountain of Youth. Whatever, Hasselbeck positioned himself into being valuable to someone in free agency. Don't get too excited. Before he played a Pro Bowl player in the playoffs, Hasselbeck was bad in the regular season -- throwing 12 TDs and 17 INTs. That's really no upgrade in stats over what Henne offered the Dolphins. Hasselbeck is and has always been a classic West Coast offense guy, which is not a great fit for Miami's offense. Can the old dog learn a new offense? Will he want to? And would he want to come to a mediocre team in Miami for what might be the end of his career?

Kevin Kolb: He lost the starting job to Michael Vick last season and could now be expendable. The Eagles are expected to entertain trade offers. There are rumors the San Francisco 49ers covet Kolb. There are other reports the Arizona Cardinals will be players in the derby for his services if and when the Eagles open the market for him. I see Arizona as his most likely landing spot. I don't see the Dolphins participating to any degree because the price for him will be higher than any other QB on the trade market -- higher than Palmer, if Cincy budges -- because of his age. But that high price comes with limited experience. He has played 19 games in four years. He has 11 career TDs and 14 career INTs. There are NFL people that see him as a sure thing. There are NFL people that see him as a question mark. The detractors also say Kolb is more suited for a West Coast offense. It's what he knows. It suits his skill set. The Dolphins do not use the West Coast offense.

Vince Young: The Titans are parting ways with their former first-round draft pick. That should give you pause. It would be the second Titans coaching staff that would be comfortable with the idea of getting rid of Young. That should give you pause. And, ultimately, the separation is not really a matter of performance on Young's part but rather because of his locker room and off-the-field and personal dealings with coaches and teammates. That, again, should really give pause. Finally, on the field, Vince Young has been a winner but not really spectacular. Young has played 54 games. He's thrown 42 touchdowns. And 42 interception. I don't see how this makes sense.

Donovan McNabb: What happened? Two years ago he was a really good player. But much like other Philadelphia quarterbacks that go to other teams, McNabb suddenly stunk, throwing more interceptions than touchdowns for the first time in his career. Should McNabb become available, the Redskins will probably try to get something in trade for him. I don't see his trade value to be very high. Maybe a fifth-round pick. The Dolphins and Redskins have a relationship in that they made a trade in the most recent draft. (Maybe TMI again on my part.) I must tell you McNabb was excellent in Andy Reid's west coast offense but he didn't seem to take a shine to Mike Shanahan's run-heavy version of the offense. He also didn't seem to particularly endear himself to Shanahan behind the scenes so that raises red flags as well. Don't see him as a fit.

Kellen Clemens: He's a free agent. He's been with the Jets since 2006 and was once considered the future starter until Mark Sanchez came along. He has a nice arm, a nice disposition, and a history with offensive coordinator Brian Daboll. No, he's not the answer to the quarterback question. He's a possibility as a backup. He would be a guy to remember if the Dolphins fail to find a veteran that can actually go toe-to-toe in a legitimate competition with Henne. Failing that ... Clemens is a possibility. Not possible, you say? Dolphins don't sign good guys when they cannot start in the NFL, you say? Two words: Josh McCown.

Brett Ratliff: You've never heard of the 6-4, 224-pounder from Utah. Neither had I until I started doing some homework. Ratliff played for Dolphins offensive coordinator Brian Daboll in New York. He was traded to the Browns when Daboll came on board in 2009. Somehow he ended up on the New England practice squad. I assume the Browns cut him. And then the Browns signed him off the Patriots practice squad last season. No, he didn't start. He hasn't ever thrown a pass in a game. But if you're looking for a name that Miami might be interested in as a third QB toward the end of training camp, this is the one. Ratliff signed a future's contract with the Titans so he belongs to them right now. (Hey, we're talking QBs here. Everyone's important.)

Yeah, that's about it at the moment. Maybe somebody loses their mind and becomes suddenly available. Otherwise, maybe Dan Marino is itching for a comeback.




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i cant see miami trading for a qb, so that throws out McNabb Kolb. Alex Smith and Vince Young would be a good addition, especially for the cheap, worth the risk

Alex Smith and Matt Flynn. Get all 3 (w/Henne) to compete. Smith can't possibly get a big offer so we wouldn't have much to lose there. We then have 3 young QBs to choose from, winner take all. Best case scenario, all do well, we have a trade chip, i.e. like NE with Matt Cassel, Philly -Kolb, etc...and stockpile a pick or 2. Worst case, they all stink and we make a strong franchise-rattling move for Luck next year.


Alex Smith, yeah, lets take another teams failure and with the magic fins he will suddenly become a star. Sure.

that failure is still better than our failure(henne), and it wouldnt cost us a draft pick and we dont have to just give him the starting spot, he will have to compite for it, its a calculated risk, the dolphins wont lose anything if it doesnt work out

Here my conspiracy theory since everyone nowaday seems to have one.

It's not going to be the qb, Pouncey, Clay or Thomas that ever gets us to a SB win. The football gods from somewhere above hav conspired in partial favortisism against the entire nfl to once again unfairly allow the Dolphins to win a SB.

They did it by having Edmund Gates play division 2 college football intentionally placing him far under the football radar and making him available for the Dolphins to snatch up.
If the Dolphins win the SB on the heels of him scoring 15tds during the 2011 season, while winning 2011-12 SB MVP. I promise all you, I will lead a congressional Senate subcommittee into the full and thorough investigation into this.

Its not fair to the other 31 nfl teams that the football gods should favor only us. Agreed?

Why wouldnt the Dolphins give Cincy a #1 pk for Carsson Palmer? Carson Palmer would make the Dolphins an instant contender for the next 5 yrs. at least. The QB only handles the ball 100% of plays. You wouldnt give up a #1 to accquire the face/leader/fran. of the team?

It is so very rare that a team lets go of a QB that then goes on to be worth the time of day for another team. Gannon and Plunkett made well very late in their careers. Farve was a fluke. Then there are a zillion examples of the Ray Lucas, AJ Feeleys, and Derrick Andersons.

Go with Henne in 2011. See what he is got. If you bring in a FA that wins the starter job, then you still don't know what you have in Henne. Use 2011 to decide once and for all what we have in Henne. Then you know how to approach the next draft. Keep it simple.

"Humpty Dumpty sat on a wall, Humpty Dumty had a soft fall. This time all of the Kings horses and all of the kings men. Did not have to put Humpty Dumpty back together again. With today's new technology Humpty had titanium alloy skin!"

"There once was a coach that coahed near the U. He had so many project players he didnt know what to do. So he gave them some broth without any bread, whipped them all soundly and sent them to bed!"

orton marshal reunion hmmmmm??? dont know but id like it if we didnt have to cough up much

kolb isnt going to happen

hasselbeck i think would come here and compete and expect to start or play the pennington roll

bulger i dont like he is playing scared

mcnabb isnt going to happen

and niether is vince young with how conservative we are

palmer i like but dont see it happening

Aside from Palmer, I'm not excited about any of the available quarterbacks around the leaguge Free agency this year will not solve the QB situation as far as finding the QB of the future. Short of Palmer, the rest will be a big waste of time and money.

The jury is still out on Henne. We should revisit the QB issue next year. Focus the money on signing Sproles, or Bush and LG Tyson Clabo.

Lets move on and look to next year to upgrade the QB position.

im itching for a dan marino comeback!

I think we should sign Robo-Cop at qb. What do you guys think?

If Dan Marino could surgically replace his knees with bionic ones, I bet his right arm is still good enough to outplay all of those guys Armando listed.

I was never sure who would make the better nfl qb, Robo-Cop or Steve Austin($6 million dollar man). Who do you guys think would make the better qb for us?

We are screwed, gonna be a long year

You must admit Steve Austin, the $6 million dollar bionic man, does have quite one powerful arm doesnt he!

Does any here think signing both Steve "the bionic man" Austin and Robo-Cop would cap strap us under a new cba?





Posted by: Jeff Ireland | May 04, 2011 at 12:24 AM

Really wish we could ban children from chat rooms.

Was "UnderDog" really a pimp?

I would say so, because when your woman goes by the name Sweet Polly "pure bread". She has to be a ho'. Dont know about you guys but "pure bread" means money maker to me.

i'm wondering why we didnt think to draft a qb? i mean kaepernick(early)stanzi(middle) or even mcelroy(late) would have been nice(jets thought so). mcelroy is accurate and smart ala penne but a better arm. ireland gets a D+.

Surprised Caleb Hanie isn't mentioned. He comes from an offense much more similar to Miami's than the WCO QB's you see listed. He's young, played pretty well when thrust into a game, and impressed me more than Flynn did against a very mediocre New England defense.

Would "Speedy Gonzalez" have made a great nfl rb? Is he still available to be signed?

Would "The Jolly Green Giant" have squashed "Atom Ant"?

If "Hey fiddle-fiddle" were dropped from the nursery rhyme. Would "the cow" still have jumped over the moon?


In order of interest, here's the best QB options listed in Armando's blog:
1. Palmer
2. Marino
3. Tank the year and get the #1 pick next year (Ok I added this one).
Man, it's just not looking good. This was why I was PO'd when we didn't push harder to grab a top board QB in the draft.
The other FA QBs, and there are a LOT more, are definitely not starter material. I'd say out of the remainder of Armando's blog, McNabb, Kolb, Bulger, then maybe one of those young projects. In any case we still need to grab a rookie QB to train by whatever veteran we get.


You're list a good list. I rate the guys about the guys about the same as you. Vince Young would be higher on my list. I realize there is some downside but there is also significant upside. I'm not saying he's the answer but he does have good physical tools, he has won in this league and the price (if he's a FA) would be low. To me this is a natural.

Forget about Orton. No way Denver cuts ties with him and turns things over to Tebow. Next year maybe but they aren't ready to do that quite yet...they'll still need that security blanket.

I also noticed you left Alex Smith off that list. Some will say it's a foregone conclusion that he's going back to SF....I don't agree. They just drafted his replacement and there's every reason to believe he might be upset about that. Does he really want to commit to SF not knowing his future there. The other part is he might be ready for a change. Not saying this will happen for sure, just saying it's a possibility.

So the options are Young, Palmer, Smith and Bulger....in no particular order. To sign a guy like Clemens, Ratliff or Leinart to be third stringer would be good also.

Is Caleb Hanie the illegitimate love child of "Mr. Hanie" from "Green Acres"? Some say Arnold "the pig" really fathered him.

if we can get palmer or orton for a third (I prefer orton) we should do it but don't give up higher draft picks for any of these guys.
Next year we're not going to superbowl. Try and draft a QB next year if possible

Guy's why do you make it seem so difficult to get a quarterback? Any dummy knows all it takes is spending .75 cents and handing the cashier a dollar bill. Geesh you guys are stupid!

You guys dont want to hear this, but...

Starter is going to be Henne. I don't see this ultra conservative regime picking up a quality QB.

It's obvious they built this draft around Henne.

You guys need to make your minds up. You b*itched about spending 2nd and 3rd rd'ers on 24yr old players. But now you're willing to spend a 3rd rd'er on 30yr old players. Geesh, make up mind already guys!

If we trade for a qb it needs to be a player for player swap. Im absolutely sick already of going into drafts every season missing a premium pick. This is when tradoing pre,mium picks hurts us most.

Sign a damned free agent qb! Enuff said.

None of these guys you suggest spending a premium 3rd pick for is guaranteed to get us to a SB. Stop wasting our damn picks!

At least if we draft a player "3rd rd" he's young enough to at some point in his career to be very instrumental in helping us win a SB.

Stop giving up premium picks for guys right around the corner to the "rest homes"!

Palmer for Thigpen straight up and no more. They drafted a qb and Palmer isnt playing for them anymore anyway. Thigpen is better than absolutely nothing.

If they dont like that, let them get a premium pick from somebody else. Thigpen and a 7th rd'er max.

We have to on pass on Speedy.

He was arrested delivering Cocaine to Mallets post draft party.

Mallet was tweaking and peaking. Thought Speedy was the Columbians he owed money and called 911 when he saw him coming.

If we cant get Palmer under the terms I posted, then sign a damn fa qb. We should "ALL" be sick of going into a draft minus premium picks already. They always come back to huant us.

Plus Palmer isnt even a lock to get us to a playoff game. He lead Cincy to "2 playoff games in 8yrs." Are you guys chickens that had your heads cut off?


Guess ole "Speedy" had to do something for work after having his Saturday mornings cartoon show cancelled. Can you blame him? LOL.........

EFF Dan Marino too if he thinks Palmer is worth a 3rd rd'er. Last I checked Marino was a hof qb, not hof gm.

Please sign Carson Palmer, what ever It takes ! PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Is Ireland a dope or what, his words ,"I didn't think we were desperate for a QB" Did Jeff watch Henne play last year? Just when you want to beleive in these guys they come out with something like that!

Dont get it how some here say McNabb is the absolute worst to bring in. He's been to more playoffs than Palmer and Orton combined.

Based on track record, an "old McNabb" is just as likely to get us to a playoff game as Orton or Palmer. Giving up a 3rd for Orton or Palmer, are you guys feeling ok?


anyone think we should be trading picks for a so-so (none r better than so-so, so far) fa qb?

be careful with your replies they're being monitored

if u give up any of next years pics for a fa qb i'll remember, please state what pick and for whom

don't do it fo, by all means pay em but don't trade picks!!!

DB if we win the sb and gates has 15 td's r u really not gonna give irelnad the credit and just assume its a conspiracy!!

Jeff Ireland is correct. We are not so desperate for a qb. That its neccessary to give up a 3rd rd'er for Orton or Palmer. Think they only have 4 playoffs combined between the both of them. LOL.........

Quality QB?

Yeah, there's ALWAYS a bunch of quality QB's just sitting around waiting to be "picked up".

Get serious for a minute. McNabb? Kolb who has never proven himself anymore than an AJ Feeley.

My favorite laugher, Matt Flynn! ROTFLMAO. He MUST be good. He almost beat the Patriots and has carried Rodgers jock around for awhile. He's 0-1 as a pro. Jesus people get a grip.

Alex Smith? Yeah, sure! You must not have ever seen this guy play or you'd know-LOL!

Palmers had every oppurtunity to put something together. Point is, HE NEVER DID!

The rest of these guys aren't even worth mentioning. Other than MAYBE Orton, none of these guys would even be an upgrade over Thigpen-Geesh!

VY, yeah, I like his skills. He can be a good QB. The problem with him is that he makes EVERYBODY else around him worse. If football wasn't a team sport, VY would be the MVP!

We didn't waste any picks on this dumpster of a QB draft class. So lets throw away some picks on the garbage heap of NFL QB's laying around.


Armando, I don't care if you do have Man Love for Palmer, you got over Jason Taylor, you'll get over Carson.

Who knows what Ireland's thinking with that comment. I think we re pretty desperate at QB, if they can't fix it through FA the Ireland and Sparano show will be over through 3 games. Who knows about the amigo?

Carson Palmer is a "Loser", He is not a winning QB. He doesn't have the "it" factor.


You dont have to give up draft picks for "free agent" qb's. But no, I dont believe Palmer nor Orton are deserving of a "premium" 3rd rd pick based on body of work being combined no more than 4 playoff appearances between both of them.

This far into thier careers you have to base it on "body of work." McNabb is just as likely of either to get us into a playoff. He more than doubles both combined in playoff appearances.

odin @12:23

Agreed. Now do me a favor... save that post and re--post it once a day.

We need to finally figure out for sure what we have in Henne one way or the other. If some FA starter beats him out, then we still don't know. None of these FA's appear to be long term solutions. We need to know going into next years draft whether we need to draft a QB very high or not.

2011 = Year of the Henne.

ross told ireland and sparano to draft for the longterm, they're board subsequently was not desperate for a qb it was aimed at upgardaing the weakest parts of the offense except qb, that's because where they picked and this qb class was unlikely to yield a franchise qb which they recognised they have to do the next time the fins draft a qb, so the qb position was different from the others in 2 ways, 1 henne could still work out, 2 any future qb pick HAS to be a hit, worst case scenario for them was improve henne with better scheme/coach/weapons, they will bring in someone or at least try to, its who and how hard (pics) they try that is the big unknown

for me i'd rather keep the picks and wait to finally let henne live or die


Orton's a bum too. Just checked, my bad Orton's "NEVER" been to a playoff in going into now his 6TH season.

So combined Palmer and Orton have been to only 2 playoffs. Hell if we got them both it wouldnt be worth a 3rd pick! LOL.........

If Henne flops this season we'll need to spend a 1st rd pick in 2012 at qb anyway. So why complicate 2012 even further by not having a 3rd pick to boot?


So guys, why the hell throw good money after chasing bad here in 2011?

Orton's going into year 7.

What did some of you guys want Ireland to say. Did you want him to announce before the entire free world, "WE ARE DESPERATE FOR A QB"?

Guys, if a gm makes a statement that stupid no matter whether he's dealing with a gm or fa qb. The "PRICE" goes way up!

Even "the ugly girl" price goes far higher when she knows you're desperate! LOL............

It's not just the QB that gets a team to the playoffs, it's the TEAM. The fact that Palmer got the Bengals to the playoffs twice is pretty impressive given the state of that entire organization.

Ireland is a dope, just ask Dezzy.

Ireland watched Henne play last year.

He also watched Hennings play calls and game plan.

He watched Vernon and Jerry and McQuistan and...........

He watched Marshall drop passes, he watched Fasano being covered like a blanket.

He watched Ricky and Ronnie dance their way to the stars.

Other than Newton Ireland had a shot at EVERY, and I mean EVERY QB in this draft. Even though he said it, don't listen to his words. See what his actions tell you.

Ireland OBVIOUSLY believes the main problems were with Hennings and the lack of a run game.

Hate on Henne all you want. You'll be hating on our starting QB this year.

He'll pay lip service to bringing in some competetion, but all of Jeffy's eggs are in Henne's basket!

McNabb, Alex Smith, Matt Flynn? Get the EFF out of here-ROTFLMFAO!!!!

Ive dated many a beautiful women acting like Ive been there done that. Beautiful seem to since when you havent been with beautiful women before.

The ugly girl senses when you're desperate too. Your body language will always tell on you! If you want a beautiful woman act like you've had them all of your life. LOL.........

Orton first.

Palmer is broken. He hasn't been even close to elite since his knee and other injuries issues. This would be a dumb move. He would, however, be 3rd on my list in terms of people who could help now.

McNabb is done. Toast. Stick a fork in him. West coast guy anyway. Bulger is deep fried too.

VY. My number 2. You've quoted 42 TDs to 42 INTs, but you fail to mention that his first two years accounted for 30 of those, with his worst year being his second. Seriuosly, Armando, please show the whole picture, even when you don't like somebody!

2006(R): 12 TD, 13 INT, rating(R): 66.7
2007: 9 TD, 17 INT, R: 71.1
2008: 1 TD, 2 INT, R: 64.5
2009: 10 TD, 7 INT R: 82.8
2010: 10 TD, 3 INT R: 98.6

So, first half of career: 21.5 TD, 31 INT
Second half of career: 20.5 TD, 11 INT

(I split 2008 down the middle)

Significant change in ratio there. And look at how his Rating went up and up over the years. The other problems are big, for sure, but being kicked out of Tenn. could be the catalyst for change. Nobody can question his passion for the game. He wants to play more than anything else. He wants to be on the field. Sparano isn't good at much but he is very good at handling divas and getting them to buy into the team approach.

The two clear alternatives in my opinion:

1. Orton (the safe way to go, if he's available)

2. VY (Tons of upside, behavioral issues are the X factor)

The rest of them aren't really going to do much but compete with Henne. Unless they feel like one of them (Flynn?) is the future, getting any of them doesn't do much for us now.

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