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Miami Dolphins players No. 1 to beyond roster limit

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It is time for the annual Miami Herald countdown of the Dolphins roster! Excited? Fired up?

Yeah, I can sense the tension.

Anyway, this is my annual countdown of the players on Miami's roster from the best to the bottom of the roster guys. It should not surprise that No. 1 on the list did not change in 2010. The rest of the list did change.

Take this in. Study it. Tell me where you agree and don't. Understand that rookies and free agents who have never played a game for Miami or even in the NFL are on this list. Those guys are included in the list as projections.

This is a lot to take in. Do it in increments if you wish. This list will be up a while as I'm going on vacation and leave and won't be back until July. Well, I will come back if something happens (like the start of free agency) because I'll only be out of town two of the weeks I'm off.

But otherwise, this is the annual summer vacay post as well as the summer roster list post. If you need to see what I'm up to, you can follow me on twitter.

The list:

1. LT Jake Long: He blew out his left shoulder in November against Tennessee. That wasn't his first injury of the season as he suffered a knee injury in the preseason finale against Dallas. No problem. Long got treatment for the knee and played without issue. He got a harness for the shoulder and continued playing despite knowing he'd need surgery after the season. And he was still a Pro Bowl player for the third time in three seasons.

2. OLB Cameron Wake: Studly. He came from part-time work to a full-time starting job and more than doubled his production. He became one of the NFL's most unrelenting and explosive pass-rushers. The scary thing is Dolphins coach Tony Sparano has said Wake has not yet reached his full potential. He might get better!

3. WR Brandon Marshall: When he's right, when he has the right people around him, when he's used correctly, he can dominate and take over a game. In 2010 he was rarely used right and didn't really have the right people around him. He was good but he and quarterback Chad Henne never meshed. There might be a personality problem going on in that relationship and the problem isn't necessarily Henne's.

4. ILB Karlos Dansby: He was as-advertised in that he was a tackle machine and was solid and a leader. But it is rare when an inside linebacker can be a game-changer. Ray Lewis has done it. Brian Urlacher has done it. Dansby can do it in the future but he didn't do it in 2010. Still, he was a significant upgrade as a free agent.

5. NT Paul Soliai: He was given an opportunity starting the second week of the season and he turned it into a $12 million franchise player payday. It was as if Soliai, at times immature, turned the corner. The question is whether the improvement was his reach for a contract that might fade once he gets paid, or a legitimate and lasting ripening of a fine player.

6. DE Randy Starks: The Dolphins need to keep Starks at one position because he plays quite well when he gets the opportunity to make a position his home. Late last season, Starks was again Miami's best defensive end after starting the year at nose tackle.

7. WR Davone Bess: Exceedingly hard worker. Reliable hands. Dependable route-runner. He is a very good possession receiver and every NFL team needs at least one of those. His receptions (79), yards (820) and TDs(5) were career highs.

8. SS Yeremiah Bell: Always excellent in run-support, he led the team in tackles again. Bell is consistent in that he's had more than 100 tackles each of the past three years. I don't understand why the Dolphins didn't blitz him more often because he's outstanding at that.

9.CB Vonate Davis: Most physical and potentially dominating cornerback on the team. He still has not made the climb from "being there" on contested balls to "winning" the battle for most of those balls. He's good now. Not excellent. Not great. Not very good. Good.

10. DE Kendall Langford: An end in the 3-4 defense is never going to be a big-playmaker if he's not named Suh. So Langford hasn't been a playmaker but has been solid and consistent. There is a step or two Langford could take to reach a level of excellence that would turn Miami's front into a dominant unit.

11. DE Phillip Merling: Merling asctually played relatively well when he returned from the non-football injury list last year. It suggests he has matured and could be ready to finally meet the potential that made him the No. 32 overall selection in 2008.

12. CB Sean Smith: He was humbled a year ago in losing his starting job to Jason Allen. Jason Allen! He didn't quit. He never gave up. He fought through adversity, although it was of his own making. He regained his job and played well. The difference between playing well and being a star? Smith drops every pass that hits his hands. He could have had eight or nine interceptions a year ago. Time to catch those, Sean.

13. WR Brian Hartline: He was open enough and effective enough to suggest he can continue to be a good deep-threat option. His stats -- 43 catches for 615 yards -- would have seemed nicer if quarterback Chad Henne had connected with him on the handful of times Hartline got open behind defenses.

14. ILB Channing Crowder: Solid. That's what he's always been when he's healthy. But excellent? Game-changing? Nope.

15. OLB Koa Misi: Starter who showed a great motor. He never gives up on a play. He is relentless. He needs to get stronger both in the upper and lower body. Once he truly becomes a technician at his craft, he has potential to be an eight- or nine-sack a year guy.

16. C Mike Pouncey: First round pick. Not exciting, but a safe pick. Why was it a safe pick? Because Pouncey is going to be a very good player. That's why. When he proves it, he'll rise on this list.

17. TE Anthony Fasano: He is unappreciated because he's not playing in a great passing offense, he's had some memorable drops in previous years, and doesn't like media attention too much. That doesn't mean he's a bad player. Fasano was second on the team with 13.5 yards per catch (among players with double-digit catches). He was fourth on the team in catches and yards. Great? No. Good? Yes.

18. RB Daniel Thomas: Second round pick better be Miami's top rusher in 2011 because, well, that's what he was picked for. He'll share the load with whatever free agent running back Miami lands. Obviously, this is a projection.

19. QB Chad Henne: Anytime a QB is not among the Top 10 best players on the team, that team is in trouble. Anytime a QB throws more interceptions than touchdowns and gets benched at least once in the season because the team isn't scoring enough, he cannot be ranked too highly and definitely not in the Top 10.

20. RB Ronnie Brown: Good man. Fearless every Sunday. But not the greatest instincts, and injuries seem to have sapped speed and explosion.

21. RB Ricky Williams: He had flashes but they are coming farther and farther apart now. He no longer has the amazing burst he once had, he no longer breaks tackles or avoids tackles in the second level.

22. G/C Richie Incognito: He was the team's best interior lineman. He was not the problem.

23. RT Vernon Carey: He has the ability to be the most frustrating player on the offensive line because he has the ability to be an A-player but has too often been a C-minus player. His best season came in 2008 when he was pushing for a new contract. He hasn't played at that level since.

24. FB Lousaka Polite: Good blocker. Good short-yardage runner. He might be replaced in 2011 if the Dolphins put their expected greater emphasis on the H-back postion over FB.

25. P Brandon Fields: He followed his best NFL season in 2009 with his second best NFL season in 2010 -- although the two blocks he suffered (not really his fault) look bad on his stat sheet. His 31 punts inside the 20 were a career high.

26. K Dan Carpenter: After connecting on 89 percent of his kicks in 2009, he dropped to a disappointing 73.2 percent in 2010 and had two kicks blocked. The end of Carpenter's season was a nightmare, as he booted only two of his seven final attempts. He did deliver 14 touchbacks on kickoffs, tying the number for the previous two years combined.

27 (tie). DE Tony McDaniel: There is thinking out there that McDaniel, a free agent in 2011, will go elsewhere because he will price himself out of the Dolphins market. That's is possible. But I would argue the Dolphins need to be very careful not to undervalue McDaniel because neither Odrick nor Merling are absolutes based on their histories. On a scale of 1-10, McDaniel is a solid 7. You don't want to lose those.

27 (tie). C Joe Berger: Berger was a pleasant surprise in that he was a solid C to B-minus center most of the year. He was the improbable starting center last year when the Jake Grove experiment proved a failure. And it would not be surprising if Berger is the starter early in training camp while Mike Pouncey gets acquainted. But that won't last barring an injury to Pouncey or others.

29. S Chris Clemons: Solid. Doesn't make mistakes. But neither does he really make any big plays. He had only one interception in 14 starts.

30. S Reshad Jones: He's a ball magnet and he will compete for a starting job with Chris Clemons in training camp. Truth is I expect him to win the job. He had one interception in two starts, which is the same as Clemons had in 14 starts. Until he wins the job, however, he finds himself just behind the starer.

31. G John Jerry: Last year it was about him being a rookie, and him being unable to get back from his early-season sickness, and his need for being stronger and his need for using better technique. This season it has to be about Jerry overcoming those issues and living up to his potential.

32. DE Jared Odrick: He was a starter the first week of the season and then was lost for the rest of the season. He has much to learn. He has much to improve upon. And he must stay healthy because durability is a category on which players are judged every bit as much as ability.

33. QB Chad Pennington: He was coach Tony Sparano's choice to lead the team in the crucial point of the season but although Pennington's spirit was willing, his flesh was weak. He sufferedanother shoulder injury on his first possession of the game he started. Having suffered another injury playing basketball this offseason, the Dolphins seem prepared to move on. If he's healthy, he's better than Henne.

34. CB Benny Sapp: He was on the team last year because Will Allen got hurt. He didn't disappoint but neither did his play impress. The Dolphins want to push Sapp to either make him better or find someone better.

35. ILB Tim Dobbins: Solid backup and that's a big deal because Crowder is injury prone and even Dansby got hurt at the end of last year. 

36. S Tyrone Culver: Solid role player in dime defense. Solid special teams tackler. He's .... solid.

37. CB Nolan Carroll: Ah, if only he'd caught that interception versus Cleveland. He could have been a hero. As it was, he was a rookie making mistakes and trying like crazy to compete. Carroll has great speed. Decent ball skills. Good work ethic. Let's see if those translate in Year 2.

38. LS John Denney: The only time one notices him is when he botches a snap. But he doesn't do that and that makes him valuable. Excellent at his craft.

39. QB Tyler Thigpen: Gutsy, willing to gamble, and strong-minded, he has the personality of a winner. But he's erratic and just as likely to throw two interceptions as two touchdowns in a game.

40. CB Will Allen: He's got to prove he can still contribute after missing two years because of injuries.

41. WR Marlon Moore: That 57-yard TD catch against Oakland was an eye-opener. But he had some troubling drops in the following couple of games and was basically iced against Buffalo before returning the final two games of the season. He had two catches for 43 yards in the season-finale so he finished on a high note. It is time to go higher.

41. WR Roberto Wallace: Big. Strong. A fine special teams player. Good hands. But still largely unproven. His special teams ability is the reason he played ahead of Moore most of the season.

42. WR Edmond "Clyde" Gates: Yeah, he doesn't like to be called Edmond. He likes Cylde. I'll call him Mr. Clyde if he lives up to his speed and blows the top off defenses likes he's supposed to. We'll see. This is obviously a projection.

43. S Jonathon Amaya: Great hitter on special teams. He might have been Miami's most effective special teams hitter late in the season.

44. RB Patrick Cobbs: His role on offense declined to practically zero last year. That showed .. 1. The coaching staff's hesitation to seek alternatives to underpeforming Ronnie Brown and Ricky Williams and 2. Cobbs' inability to show himself worthy of a shot. Yes, he was the special teams captain. But Miami's special teams were terrible. Solid locker room presence. 

45. OLB Ikaika Alama-Francis: There was much buzz about Alama-Francis early in the season but injuries and circumstances prevented him from playing up to that buzz. He's a hard worker and a solid run-stopper.

46. TE Charles Clay: Hopefully this kid becomes a latter day Chris Cooley or Dallas Clark. No idea if he'll be even in the same conversation thus his low ranking.

47. DB Jimmy Wilson: A seventh-rounder who missed two years while in prison facing murder chargers, Wilson is obviously a gamble. He's also got the feels of a special teams contributor.

48. RB Lex Hilliard: Time to be more than a special teams player because the Dolphins are looking for viable running back options and he's not exactly the first name on anyone's lips among team insiders. With the team bringing in more special teams talent, 2011 could be a turning point year.

49. ILB A.J. Edds: The plan has not changed from a year ago in that he will be a passing situation substitution for Channing Crowder or Karlos Dansby if he has the abilities the team thought he did when he was drafted.

50. OLB Quentin Moses: Extremely under-rated. Mostly unknown. Can you believe he's been on the team since 2007? Says something for his latent ability which is little used. He did

51. Nate Garner: He was going to get a chance to compete to start at G when he got hurt and was lost for the year. Now the onus is on to prove he can recover and show some durability. 

52. OL Pat McQuistan: He started a handful of games. He should be a backup.

53. T Lydon Murtha: He is good stay active and take to the game as a backup. Is he good enough to displace someone on the starting unit? I doubt it, but I'd like to see him try. It can only make everyone better.

54. G Rey Feinga: His chances of winning a starting job are also dependent on the health of other players. Betting on someone to be hurt is a tough way to earn a living.

55. DT Frank Kearse: The Dolphins need a backup for Soliai not named Starks. Kearse has the opportunity to be that guy. Does he have the ability?

56. WR Julius Pruitt: He was active the regular-season finale but didn't catch a pass. He's been all about potential. It's time to be about production.

57. ILB Austin Spitler: The youngster got better at his special teams duties later in the season.

58. WR Patrick Carter: He's been in camp with Seattle, Tampa Bay, Denver, Baltimore, and was most recently on the Hartford Colonels. He's 26 now so this camp is probably his make-or-break NFL moment. Don't bet on make.

59. LB Mark Restelli: A free agent signee from the CFL. He's only 6-2 and 215 so he needs to get better. He's strictly a special teams guy if he makes the team at all.

60. T James Marten: The Dolphins are his fourth team in four years and he's still a project player.

61. QB Tom Brandstater: Late season signee and never really an option to play. Don't expect much different in 2011.

62. RB Kory Sheets: He had speed and potential before an Achilles' injury. No idea if he has either now.

63. CB Nate Ness: Cut in the preseason, then cut by Seattle when he was toasted during one game, he returned as insurance against injuries.

64. FB Deon Anderson: Dolphins have to learn that signing every Dallas Cowboys reject is not a good idea. Anderson was signed after the Cowboys dropped him and he promptly got hurt one week into his Dolphins career. He probably won't be on the team this year.

65. LB Mike Rivera: He's been jumping from practice squad to practice squad and was active only for the season-finale against New England. I simply do not know enough about him to give you an idea which direction he's going.

66. T Matt Kopa: Signed off the 49ers practice squad in November, he was mostly just insurance and was inactive the final seven games of the season.

67. DE Ryan Baker He's undersized. He's probably not the most naturally gifted player. But he works. He studies the game. He is a good guy in the community.

68. G Cory Procter: He was a backup most of the year before going on injured reserve in late November. He's likely played his final game with the Dolphins.

69 (tie). TE Dedrick Epps: Young kid. Project.

69 (tie). TE Mickey Shuler: Young kid. Project.

69 (tie). TE Jeron Mastrud: You kid. Project.

(Not rated) T Allen Barbre: He spent one week with the Dolphins last year, the final week of the season. I have no idea what he's about.

(Not rated) DT Chris Baker: Don't know enough about him.

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Oregon, GREAT point. I have talked about it in previous posts. I have a buddy that is around the old Davie Ale house area. I guess he has run into Bess a few times. Bess is raving about how focused Henne is, and how well he is throwing the ball. Keep it in perspective, No D trying to kill him. But he said he sees a huge difference with how Henne is carrying himself and is excited to see him on the field this season. I hope he is right!! Fingers crossed. I suppose he could have said nothing, that is why i throw some stock into it. But that is not the D-Bess style. He is a cool guy to talk to, very down to earth.

My relative that gave me the Sun Life stadium tour. Also told me that the Dolphins cheerleaders were moved from the Davie facilities to Sun Life stadium because "procreations" were going on between the players and cheerleeders during football season. LOL...

He also told that he talks to all of the players on a daily basis and at times gets invited to hangout with them in the VIP sections of some of the local night clubs. He says he can get autographs at anytime but never asks for them. So I asked if I give him something to get autographed, he would gladly do it for me.

Im so excited for football season now because it can mean selling autographed items on Ebay for me. Ka-ching-a-ling baby!

I will also be able to get Dolphins game used jerseys. Now I see how peeps get those items. It comes from guys associated with the team in some direct fashion.

DB, apparently you can also trade that autographed stuff for tattoos

Just sucks the only free tickets he can get now are for Marlins games. Says even he doesnt get free Dolphins and Heat tickets.

LOL........ Mark in Toronto! Via Ohio St's Terrell Pryor and company!

I go to at least 4 games a year at JRS (Yes for me it will aways be Joe Robbie Stadium) and have seen the Dophins cheerleaders up close and personel. I gotta say not for nothing but I was watching the Heat Cheeleaders last night and saw them in those tight black sweats with those rockin JLO like bodies and was thinking that they were hotter!! I just thought I`d toss it out there cause it was all I could do to keep my wife from noticing how I was drooling watching them shake those sweet a s s es. Call it the Latin in me but I like me a full figured girl with some junk in the trunk, I think the Heat Brass looks for a specific body type cause they all got that vibe going!!!!

Henne has the arm and the rusume.

He's had some moments where he's shown some NFL level skills. He's had his streaks of inconsistency as well. Then there's the fact he wasn't even voted a Team Captain-WTF!

I think this is why the way he carries himself this year is so important. No more even keeled mousy lunch pail attitudes.

If someone misses a hot read, Henne's got to grab them by the face mask and smack em up side the head like Marino use too.

A running back needs to know that if he misses his block, he's going to have Henne snarling and screaming in his face all the way back to the huddle.

If Daboll calls an inside handoff on 3rd and 18, Henne's got to give him the fistpump with a middle finger on top an audible out!

If SpOrano is micro-mismanaging the game and/or the clock, Henne has got to get in his face and tell him where he can put his Fistpump!

I want to see Henne lose his fuking mind just one time and go berserk on somebody! Skull buttin and be-atch slapping the shyt out of people.

Something along the lines of what Marino did to Greg Llyod of the Steelers!

I still get a warm fuzzy feeling when I think of that one-SMACK!!!!

PS: In all actuality, Henne should have been AT LEAST-**AT LEAST** 14 on Mando's list.

It'd be nice if Reshad Jones turned into another Louis Oliver...only faster. Oliver was awesome!

odin,

I remember well the exchange between Marino and Lloyd on Monday night football back in 96 J.J.`s 1st as Fins Coach. The funny thing is I saw an interview with both later where Lloyd explains that when Marino gave him that shove when both were down near our sideline Marino was trying to say something but couldn`t get the words out cause he got the wind knocked out of him.

Later Marno when asked what he was trying to say and he said that he coudn`t repeat it on T.V. because he felt that the hit was late and Lloyd had driven him into the ground. I remember the play happened right in front of our sideline and how ballsy is Marino that he pulls that move on loyd while completely gassed for air, remember Lloyd`s reaction he seemed genuinly stunned, classic Marino!! Also remember him on more than one occasion tearing the O-Line a new one on the sidelines because he wasn`t getting time, good call would also like to see this attitude out of Henne.

Isn't Bess digging a ditches or graves during this strike ? Well, he needs to dig those holes and Ireland, Saprano, and Chad Henne needs to jump in the hole !!!!

Philip Merling at 11? Does he have some photo's of you in a bath house or something. Come onnnnnnnn

Dear Soiled Bottoms,

I was thinking of taking it upon myself to ghost write a Blog Article for Armando while he's away.

My first thought was a detailed comparison between the Stratocasters of the Rock Gods and the Telecaster of Blues Legend!

Of course after having second thoughts, I surmised that this crowd might be more in tune with an expose on the virtues of Classic Jim Beam vs the "newer" Jim Beam *RYE*!

Well, it's been 6 hours since the initial inspiration struck. I haven't written anything. I'm drunkerin shyt and my fingers hurt from playing guitar.

Thanks to Fin4life, I think I'm suffering from writers block because all I can think about is the Heat Dancers shaking their Sweet A S S E S..............................


Anywhoo, just wonderin if you could help a Blogger out...?


Odin ;)

Henne's attitude is a conundrum. I hear what some some you are describing in wanting a display of passion out of Henne.

I have written similar things and I want to see it too. The way I played was like boiling over all the time. Very intense. And it is natural to want that which you relate to or remember in Marino.

I just wonder if it is fair to expect a specific type of attitude out of every player.

It could be that is just not his personality. Did you see Joe Montana behave like Marino? I recall Montana being really calm cool and collected, which could be described disparagingly robotic.

But Joe was Joe so he's calm and cool not robotic.

Also I have read that Henne is very intense, completely in command and actually funny 'in the huddle'.

The guy just does not show for the cameras and on the sideline. He takes the professional approach.

Another aspect is Sparano. I very much believe Henne is how Sparano wants him to be.

I suspect Marino like emotional outbursts would be met with negativity by Sparano and Henne knows it.

I offer that the kid may just be getting an unfair rap in this regard.

DYINGBREED IS BECOMING THE #1 HOMER. SOON HE WEARS SPARANO TSHIRT.

Oregon,

Good post. You're looking at more realistically.

I agree with you that it's not Henne's personality to breath Hail, Fire and Brimstone.

However, with the hand Henne's getting in Miami so far(taking ALL the blame) and not being voted a team captian?

I don't know about you, but thay would chaff my ass! With my career depending on it, I would "lay down the LAW"!

Let SpOrano think negatively of it. At least the next time he would think twice before making his next DUMB move.

I don't expect Henne to live up to Marino talentwise. The Dolphins are a Billiion dollar franchise and Henne is expected to be the man.

He needs to let people know and he needs to let people know what he expects of them as well.

Besides, Henne and SpOrano both have to know what time it is. Ross, being a Michigan Man, is FULLY behind Henne, for this year at least.

On the other hand, SpOrano remebers the other Michigan Man in Harbaugh all too well!

I'm not advocating a powerplay munity or anything(though it does sound good). I'm just saying, SpOrano needs to let Henne play. If he doesn't, Henne needs to DEMAND IT!

Has it occurred to anybody that just maybe Henne never had any handcuffs on? Where does this handcuff talk come from? I say right here on the blog. Just because someone suggested it, doesn't mean its true. Maybe Henne has been free to play all along. He has pretty much said so.

Odin,

I agree. If I were Henne after last year, well Henne and I are different personalities.

I would have battled Sparano's losing approach last year and probably got my ass ran out of town by Mr. FG.

A lot is being conveyed about who Henne is and what type of leader he is right now during these Henne led voluntary work outs.

It could be that Henne is very clear with his team mates about his expectations of them yet does not believe true leadership includes showing players up on camera like Marino did.

I would really like to hear more from teammates about how Henne is. I feel there is a real gulf between fan perceptions of Henne and how he is with teammates.

Henne probably came into this thing never imagining that he would need PR to help his relationship with the fans, but clearly he does.

Izar,

the handcuffing is so obvious. I have a hard time believing your post is sincere.

And what would you expect Henne to say to the press about the situation?

'yeah, I'm over coached'

What he has said is his #1 job is to not turn the ball over. Which is another way of saying, 'we are a conservative offense and I have to check down vs taking chances'.

Sparano is all over that. Execute and dont turn the ball over.

Besides, the thing has been described exactly by the most honest and open Dolphin player in a long time Ricky Williams.

Ricky said it outright, 'Sparano over coaches'.


ITart,

Firstoff, If Henne wanted to remain the starter, dissing SpOrano and Henning to the press wouldn't be a stellar move.

Secondly, you, me and everyone else on the planet saw Hennings offense and playcalling. Duh!

It wasn't so much that Henne was handcuffed as it was Hennings offense was handicapped. Just out of curiosity, did you actually watch any games the past three season fruit loop?

Make no mistake, Henne WAS handcuffed. He was handcuffed by Hennings playcalling and Hennings "check with me" audible system.

Not only was it extremely limited, it also made SpOrano and Henne look bad. A lot of SpOrano and Henne's supposed bad clock management was actually a result of Hennings Check with me audible stipulation.

Henne would make his pre snap read and want to audible. By the time the check with me would come back, the play clock would be almost expired costing us a senseless timeout.

I know what you're thinking though. You're thinking this is all spin. It's all Chad's fault because.........well.........because that Dan Henning, he's a LEGEND!

odinseye,

Is it standard protocol for you to call people names that don't agree with you? And do you really have inside information that you 'know' better than anyone else?

Oregon,

Sure, Ricky said Sparano overcoaches. But nobody is saying Hartline, Moore, Wallace or others had handcuffs on.

Not necessary for some of you to be so girlie sensitive to a mere question about whose to say Henne had handcuffs on. Just because some may think it or feel that, doesn't prove it. Maybe he did to an extent, maybe, but maybe not to the extent some fans make it out to be either.

Oregon

The #1 job of every QB, RB and WR is not to turn the ball over. It is not a way of saying we won't take chances. And besides, if your QB is not a leader enough to step up and make something happen once in awhile even if it goes against the grain of what he was told, he is not a leader and never will be.

izar,

Funny rainbow hat and bare footed. And raised in the desert with sand storms. Why are you still here?

Izar,

Leadership stars from the top down and Sparano does not have it.

Conservative is what Sparano wants and Henne knows is, so that is what we see.

Your expectation for Henne to stand against the wishes of Henning and Sparano is completely unrealistic.

Have you ever played the game? Because the way you talk about it tells me you have not.

I hear both your takes on the situation regarding Henne`s leadership of the team and the game. I just feel sometimes in watching him play that he doesn`t necessarily convey passion or a sense of imidiate directness about the task at hand.

I never felt Marino as having emotional outbursts because those equate to mental breakdowns more than in helping the situation. I just always felt Dan had a passion that willed the team to victory and lets face it given the level of talent Marino had around him at times it was necessary to give the team a nice swift kick to get things moving.

I understand the comparison to Montana but I get the impression Joe Cool lead his team and willed them his way, alot like Kenny the Snake Stabler with the Raiders before him (the man was as cool as ice during the time out right before the sea of hands play).


If you watched Montana walk on a field cocky smile on his face the last thing you were thinkng is that his play was robotic just the opposite that he woud break the oppositions heart when it mattered most and his team fed of that the way ours fed of Marino`s passion, two different ways of leading but what leaders they were. I think this is what odin was eluding to.

8:05 post for Oregon/odin

Oregon

You don't think Marino ever overruled what his coach told him to do? Or Peyton or Rivers or Brees or Rothlisberger? If not, maybe its you that never played the game.

Fin,

Passion vs emotional outburst. Sure Marino had passion, probably a better way of putting it.

I think it is just not Henne's personality and I feel that suits Sparano perfectly.

izar,

Wants to stir the pot. Thats simply the way they did it in the DESERT.

No way could Sparano have coached Marino

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what the the DESERT have to do with it?

Oregon,

Then the fist pumper won`t be around long and probably take Henne`s career along the way as collateral dammage if there s any truth to the line of thinking were bouncing around now! Give me Sean Payton who will have a cow on the sideline and his Q.B. who wears his emotions on his sleeve.

Look if that`s the case then Henne has to grow a pair and let it rip, chips falling were they may. Look at that dead statue they put in at Head Coach in Indy (Caldwell), how many times have you seen Manning scream something at him on the way to the sideline and that`s when he`s not competely ignoring him, guys like Montana are the anomaly not the norm, give me passion and emotion. Listen even in N.E. were it`s frowned on by Belichik to show to much emotion or say to much you constantly see Brady having fits on the sideline and the great Belichik letting it go!!!

Oregon Dolphin Fan,

Look for my next POST. LOVE THOSE DOLPHINS.

It`s not that Sparano couldn`t have coached Marino, it`s that Dan would have flat out ignored him and called his audible at the line. There is a famous story about Shula calling a run play back in the mid 80`s in a game we were loosing by 24 to the Rams in the 3rd and Marino Audibled out of it and started throwing at will eventually coming back to win. If Dan did that to Shula what do you all think he`d have done with Henning and Sparano`s playbook?

This is my next post. I am very new to this blog site and I have always posted the ? That's simply who I am. I have a very very strong passion for the Dolphins. So try not to beat me up simply because I use the ?

Ok, about the desert. There are some of us who were born there, amoung camels and sheep. not to mention names. (izar)

Back to the phins, I agree with one of the posts about Sparano never coaching Marino. And by the way Henne is not the answer, he will never be the answer! And in my opinion, Palmer is the only true option here.

Thanks to all for allowing me to share some insight.

odinseye,

Is it standard protocol for you to call people names that don't agree with you?

Oregon,

not necessary for some of you to be so girlie sensitive to a mere question about whose to say Henne had handcuffs on.


Posted by: Izar | June 01, 2011 at 07:29 PM

ROTFLMAO! Iz-Tart got offended because I called him Fruit Loop. Then he goes on to call Oregon and "others" Girlie Sensitive.........Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm-LOL!

What a Jack Ass!!!!

No Iz-Tart, it's not standard protocol to call people names when they disagree.

It's the simple FACT that Me, Jim and Jack hate IGNANT and that's whut ya is: I-G-N-A-N-T!


Palmer is the only true option here.

Thanks to all for allowing me to share some insight.

Posted by: ? | June 01, 2011 at 08:44 PM


You call that insight?

I'd rather hear from the Camel and the Sheep!

odin,

What`s this about Camel and sheep ?

Is there a Bedouin on here now or something?

Odinseye,
BAAA! and a hacker from the camel!

Oh by the way, and I can't help myself, look closely at the screen izar, my middle finger is pressed against the monitor.

Odinseye you self proclaimed genius, if not Palmer then WHOOOOOOOOO?

Ok, about the desert. There are some of us who were born there, amoung camels and sheep. not to mention names. (izar)

Back to the phins, I agree with one of the posts about Sparano never coaching Marino. And by the way Henne is not the answer, he will never be the answer! And in my opinion, Palmer is the only true option here.

Thanks to all for allowing me to share some insight.

Posted by: ? | June 01, 2011 at 08:44 PM

Fin,

I was just trying to have a little fun in disagreeing with Question Mark.

(Geez-When I have to explain my humor I feel like I'm not doing a good job-Dooh)

odinseye

Most public schools will offer some free course in reading and comprehension. I suggest you start with the first one. You resorted to name calling simply because you disagreed with me. Very childish. I could care less. Just wanted to point it out. I'm sure you will continue to be yourself.

It's obvious from your tone and classless choice of words I would only be foolish to respond any more to you.

Odinseye you self proclaimed genius, if not Palmer then WHOOOOOOOOO?

Posted by: ? | June 01, 2011 at 08:58 PM


Genius? GENIUS!

I am the ALMIGHTY GOD of WAR!

I am the keeper of SECRETS, the know-er of KNOWLEDGE!

I am the bring-er of RAGNOROK!

I am........am..........SHyT!

I am out of WHISKEY.......AGAIN!

Be right back..................


odin,

IZAR HAS A POINT , YOU SHOULD BE MORE NICE TO EVERY ONE.I NOTICED THAT ALSO WHEN YOU DEGRADE SOME PEOPLE WHO DISAGREE WITH YOU ...........


?,

Before we go nuts and trade a 1st round pick for Palmer which is what it will take unless it`s players and our 2nd for a Q.B. who after severly hurting his knee in the 05 playoffs has never been the same, then why not Vince Young or Mark Bulger to simply rock Henne`s boat a little.

Hey everbody might think it nuts but if Henne falls apart then we can always prey that it`s Carolina back at the top of next years draft so we can pull our best Ditka and package the whole lot of picks on the Andrew Luck sweepstakes.

odin,

I always get your humor chief!! I was just adding a little fuel to the fire, LMFAO!!!

It's obvious from your tone and classless choice of words I would only be foolish to respond any more to you.

Posted by: Izar | June 01, 2011 at 09:00 PM

You say this as your responding to me AGAIN!

Talk about comprehension problems. This makes you foolish indeed, not mention stump dumb and stupid too!

Go get yo ShineBox Fruit Loop!

ValHalla!!!!

FIN4LIFE....


BE NICE TO ODIN,DON'T PUT MORE FIRE IN THAT FIGHT .

Have the Fins ever run an offensive play in which Long did not get pancaked flat on his back? I've never seen it.

Anon | June 01, 2011 at 04:01 PM

HUHHH???????????

ODIN,


YOUR ENGLISH IS FINE TO ME .

Hey Aloco,

How was your Memorial weekend?

odinseye, Bravo, Bravo, Bravo! As soon as you left for whiskey, so did I.

First, izar, if you play back some of your childish stupid borderline pshyco comments, you have some nerve speaking of ones grammar skills. In your brain is some pretty foul odor and gas. Recommendation: plunger and industrial vacuum. AND TAKE THAT BAG OUTSIDE, you class a nut!

Odinseye, no kidding, you have some of the best posts I have read. Quickly becomming one of my favorites.

Time for a few drinks, and I will wait for the next brainstorm or fart.

FIN4LIFE,

I WORKED ALL THE TIME UNTIL TODAY ....WHILE FAKE ALoco KEEPING THE STORE OPEN ........


GO BRUINS .............................

VANCOUVER PLAYING W/3 PLAYERS VS 5 BRUINS PLAYERS.....TIME FOR A GOAL

Aloco,

What is it with you and the Bruins?

FIN4LIFE ,

SINCE 1990 BRINS NEVER BEEN IN THE FINALS AND TO BE VS THE DIRTY CANADIANS ...IT'S HUGE .

Aloco,

Don't fall for Iz-Tarts poor me routine.

He wasn't even disagreeing with me.

He was making condescending innuendos and insinuations. He refused to take a stand for fear of cutting off a swift retreat!

A man who stands for nothing will fall for anything and I don't like it. Read his post below and keep in mind, all I did was call him fruit loop because of the missy mashy wishy washy way he refuses to say much of anything at all. It's all, has it occured, just maybe, just because, blah, blah, blah!

Has it occurred to anybody that just maybe Henne never had any handcuffs on? Where does this handcuff talk come from? I say right here on the blog. Just because someone suggested it, doesn't mean its true. Maybe Henne has been free to play all along. He has pretty much said so.

Posted by: Izar | June 01, 2011 at 06:37 PM

Aloco,

If you want to be dis guys lackey, carry his shinebox for him and you guys enjoy your fruit loops!

ODIN,


YOU R MY HERO ...

ARE WE STILL TALKING HENNE ?


There is nothing condescending in my post at 6:37pm. People imagine things.

FIN4LIFE/ODIN........

I JUST READ THAE AVERAGE AGE FOR FOOTBALL FANS WHEN THEY DIE IS 56 YEARS OLD DUE TO THEIR EDUCATION AND HOT DOG AND PORK EATING .


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