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My grade of Dolphins draft: Why do you care?

Let's begin with the fact that no one -- not me, not you, not Mel Kiper nor Mel Gibson for that matter -- can give you an absolutely fair and accurate grading of the Dolphins draft.

I haven't seen these guys on the field. So I have no idea if Charles Clay is the next coming of Chris Cooley or Dallas Clark. I have no idea if Mike Pouncey is as good or better than Maurkice Pouncey. I don't know whether Edmond Gates will play like Mike Wallace of the Pittsburgh Steelers or Mike Wallace of 60 Minutes.

So why does everyone want a grade for the draft?

Why did I get 127 151 e-mails since Friday asking me to grade the draft, some of those before the draft was even over?

Post-draft grades from the media are bogus. They are ignorant. They are an exercise in futility. They are a waste of your time.

Alright, are you ready for my grade?

Here we go:

The case: The Dolphins addressed the long-standing need for a center in Pouncey. They came into draft with only two running backs on the roster and no second round pick and got running back Daniel Thomas in the second round. They needed speed badly that might both improve Miami's ability to get behind the secondary and maybe put a charge in the special teams returns game. The Dolphins want to run a double-tight look a lot with one of those an H-Back type. The team had Paul Soliai locked up as its starting nose tackle and needed some help behind him. And, in the bottom of the musts-needs-wants totem pole, the club wanted a playmaker in the secondary.

The results: The Dolphins got the highest-rated interior lineman on their board in the first round and expect him to start at center. They landed Thomas while other teams were in the middle of a run (pardon the pun) on running backs. They yielded a third-round (valuable), fifth-round (valuable) and seventh-round pick (not so much) to get into the second round. Edmond Gates is now the man they Dolphins expects will "knock the top" off defenses. He is now charged with being deep open to give the QB a chance at a big play. Oh, and he's got a shot at helping on teams in the return game. Charles Clay was versatile and valuable at Tulsa as a fullback and pass-catcher. He's supposed to be good in space. We'll see if that space is located 10-15-20 yards down field. Frank Kearse comes as Miami's project mountain-sized nose tackle. And Jimmy Wilson is the gamble with the final pick that could add an athletic, hard-hitting, angry, sometimes too angry hitter that might upgrade special teams and knock some balls loose.

The projections: Mike Pouncey will start at center. If he doesn't, something went terribly wrong. I don't believe anything will go wrong here. He's solid, smart, and tough. He's a competitor and winner. I predicted this pick and agree with it. Daniel Thomas is another pick I predicted so how the heck am I going to rip it? He'll bring speed to the position that Ronnie Brown seemed to lose in recent years. He'll offer some second-level elusiveness the Dolphins haven't seen in a long time and one would not expect from a 230 pound running back. Gates is the X-factor. If he makes it, this draft makes it! If he's a bigtime playmaker, the Dolphins will score points, improve the passing game and help keep people honest on the running game, and, oh yeah, there's also the possibility I might see a punt-return or kickoff-return TD before I retire. Kearse smells like a practice squad guy to me. Wilson needs to be on his absolute best behavior -- that's the way it is for someone who's been tried for murder. I don't care that he got off, he is by all accounts not an angel. He needs to watch himself and not sully the name of the franchise. Dolphins do that in other ways already, they don't need to add more of that stuff. Clay? Please, please, please makes some plays in space against overmatched LBs and safeties.

The misses: No quarterback. The Dolphins didn't pick either Ryan Mallett nor Andy Dalton in the first round, they passed on Mallett in the second round, and could not trade up to Mallett in the third although I have reported they tried. Bottom line? Mallett would have been a reach early and everyone agreed. I think he just wasn't right for the Dolphins because he needs to go to a situation where he sits for a good, long time and learns to be a professional. He wouldn't have gotten that in Miami. He would have been thrust into a starter competition and because Chad Henne is not a star, Mallett might have won. And then he would have been overmatched with the things it takes for a guy to succeed as an NFL QB -- not just the on-field stuff, but off the field as well. He might become a fine player eventually in New England. I think he would have failed in the wrong situation and Miami was the wrong situation. I wonder why the Dolphins didn't go with Pat Devlin late? Twelve QBs were taken and Devlin was not. Will be interesting to see if Dolphins chase him as an undrafted free agent when that's allowed. finally, it hurts me the Dolphins didn't land Taiwan Jones. Loved him. Loved his 4.3 speed. Thought he had that innate ability to keep defenders from hitting him on flush every time. The great ones have that ability. Yes, Taiwan Jones had fumble issues. Guess what? So did Daniel Thomas.

The spin: The Dolphins didn't have a second-round pick when the draft began because they yielded it and one last year for Brandon Marshall. GM Jeff Ireland talked about Marshall being among Miami's first three picks. No. Second round picks won't make some $18 million the next few years. Second round picks don't come to the team with a reputation for not meshing with the starting quarterback. Second round picks don't usually come with a long domestic violence history and a newly sewn abdomen from a knife wound inflicted by a wife. Second round picks also don't come with the experience Marshall has and the almost certain guarantee that he'll give you 85 catches for 1,000 yards. It's a two way street. But adding him to the draft is spin.

The bottom line: I like the job Ireland did. Really do. He made the best of a tough situation because he came into the draft without a second-round pick while not drafting particularly high. The way to get great is not by drafting where mediocre teams draft. It's hard to find a big-time star there. I didn't love that Ireland had to give up that fifth-rounder while the Patriots were adding picks for next year. (Told him as much, too). But I understand he didn't have much of choice. He needed a running back. Maybe Pouncey is better than his brother. Maybe Thomas is Adrian Peterson. Maybe Clay is Dallas Clark. Maybe Gates is Mike Wallace. If that's the case, this draft will be an awesome haul. I don't see all of that happening. More likely these generally safe, solid, logical picks will add a couple of solid starters, maybe one playmaker, and some guys whose names we won't remember three years from now.

The grade: C++. It is better than average. It is way better than average. But good? Can't be when you didn't draft in the third and fifth rounds. Can't be when you couldn't find a QB. Can't be when I haven't seen any of these players on the field. (By the way, I give the Pats a C+. They had a chance to go for the kill shot on the AFC East and didn't do it.  They continue to put off for next year what they could do now, apparently not realizing Tom Brady continues to age and when he's done, they're done -- Ryan Mallett notwithstanding.)

 

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Pouncey will be solid, although I believe he will end up at center.Pouncey at guard and Incognito at center is more valuable to the team than vice versa. If Pouncey does end up at center, I hope Richie can man one of the guard spots a hell of alot better than he did last year. I think Clay will be the most productive right away. This guy has great hands and is very smooth for his size. I see him as nothing more than a recieving TE at this point. Not surprized Tulsa had to feature him in thier offense, I hope Miami has a few more options. I'm still pulling for Mustrad and/or Epps. They came from my two favorite schools, the U and Penn State. Miami was looking to possibly draft both of them late in '10, and I hope one of them can stick after an offseason (or half) with the team. The recievers are the group I will keep my eyes on. I believe the team will need to carry one less RB to make room for 6 wideouts. If not, who will be let go. Forget Marshall or Bess, Gates will undoubtably make the roster, Moore should be kept for his speed, and Wallace is being developed into a core special teamer. The only thing I can think is to trade Hartline, but that would be subtracting speed, and we would not get what he is worth in return (one of the most underrated players on the roster). The Thomas kid reminds me of Ronnie Brown. almost the exact same size, and he loves the spin move, just like Ronnie did prior to his injuries. I just hope he can learn the kind of ball security that Brown has. Oh yeah, why did we draft two guys who ran the wildcat for thier teams?

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Will someone please watch the tape of Daniel Thomas against Nebraska & Texas and tell me why we Traded up to get him. He runs good against the crappy teams, but does nothing againt good Teams. He's a reach. Nothing special. We still need a home run hitter.

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Some say we should have traded up or down, I say with who? You can't dance with out a partner, at least that is how we did things back in the day. Seems like some on this blog are like 2 brain cells rubbing each other and trying to be the smart one, there is no cure for stupid. Bill p.s. OK! I may be stupid, at least I have a lot of company on this blog, if any one gets hired by the NFL, let us know.

I've been watching video for two days straight.

I've watched just about everything I can find on Pouncey, Thomas and Gates. Over and over again.

With Gates it's very simple. If he masters beating the jam at this level, he'll be freaking Pro Bowler. The kid is a monster waiting to happen.

Thomas-Whoever said the guy goes down easy was lying. He gets all kinds of yards after contact. I mean a lot of it. He might not be fast, but he's very quick and shifty. Has some decent open field moves too. He's good very good vision as well. He's patient when he should be, hits the hole and goes when it's there. Sets up block really good with his eyes.

We need a speed back to compliment him for sure. But I like what I've seen. He's an upgrade to the aging R&R without a doubt.

Pouncey is trouble. Forget the bad snaps, that's the least of his problems.

I've yet to find any video of him dominating anyone. Being the 15 overall pick, I would expect to find some footage of him dominating someone at the collegiate level. It ain't there people. If you can find any, please post it here. I'd like to see it.

Against Tenn. and Ala. he was atrocious. Didn't matter if it was run blocking or pass. Consistently pushed around all over the place. Almost looked lost at times. No push whatsoever and looked his worse facing a NT in Alabama's 3-4 alignment. This is especially bad news for us.

He did make some nice second level blocks, but only against the smaller DB's. Even the collegiate level LB's manhandled him.

I looked at everybody else first because I thought Pouncey being a 1st rounder, he'd be solid. Man O man was I surprised.

I hate to say it, but i got to call it like I see it. You might want to hold off on those Stephenson comparisons for awhile because he looks like a sure fire bust.

I hope I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure I'm not. Go ahead and rip me up now for my opinion. I can take it. Just don't forget to post some links of him not getting pushed up and down the field.

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here's something i found interesting. a j edds had 7 interceptions when playing for iowa; 5 in his senior year and one each in his junior and sophmore years. that's two more than the highly touted prince amukamara who had 5 int's at nebraska; all in his jr campaign.
one last observation. i've just been watching some video of edds. the guy is another hammer. so is odrick. odrick stays healthy i doubt anyone will run on us this year. so, we've got some players on defese with these two guys.

I just finished up my "Odinsider" scouting on Pouncey.

I think I'm going to be sick, for real. I just went over all the video I could find for the third time. I sat back for second and noticed my hands were starting to shake. Then I started getting a really sick queasy feeling in my stomach.

I don't even know what to say. I'm in shock!!!!

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Henne will prove what he is made of if Edmond can separate and catch on a consistent basis. See the throw to ginn against revis. That is no fluke.
Ginn just couldn't separate consistently.

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Will somebody please post some links for Pouncey kicking some a s s?

I've seen the one where he manhandles the piece of plywood and the heavy bag. I wasn't impressed.

PLEASE post something that shows he can actually block a real live living breathing human being.

Seriously!

Found this on a Redskins website:

"Daniel Thomas.....Underrated and Overlooked"

I was recently reading the article by Gary Fitzgerald on redskins.com titled:

"Roster Review: Running Backs" when I noticed at the end of the article that he mentioned some running backs that will be available in the 2011 NFL Draft (Mark Ingram, DeMarco Murray & Ryan Williams), but failed to mention the one cut running back that would fit Shanahan's offensive scheme PERFECTLY, DANIEL THOMAS out of Kansas State.

Thomas is a physical specimen with the VISION, POWER, SIZE and DURABILITY that we need here on the REDSKINS after Portis is sent packing. I couldn't understand why Gary Fitzgerald failed to mention Thomas, but mentioned Murray and Williams (both of which have questions about their durability, not to mention BOTH of which were not as productive OR impressive as Thomas this past season).

Daniel Thomas is basically an Adrain Peterson clone with SLIGHTLY less speed (I say slightly because he's pretty fast, just not AS fast as AP, but close). If you have never heard about Daniel Thomas (as I suspect most of you haven't) you need to do your research, dude is a BEAST at the RB position.

After showing a stat comparison, click on the link to the youtube highlight video of Daniel Thomas I will post at the bottom of this Blog if you've never seem the kid run.

DeMarco Murray 2010 stats: 282 carries, 1,214 yards, 15 TDs (4.3 yard per carry average). Murray rushed for 208 yards one time this season in his first game on 35 carries. That was his ONLY time this season over 200 yards.

Ryan Williams 2010 stats: 110 carries, 447 rushing yards, 9 TDs (4.3 yard per carry average, missed ALOT of playing time due to injury issues). His best performance this past season, he rushed for 142 yards on 14 carries, he NEVER went over 100 yards rushing at ANY time before OR after that game.

Daniel Thomas 2010 stats: 298 carries, 1,585 yards, 19 TDs ( 5.3 yard per carry average, didn't miss ONE game due to injuries in EITHER of his LAST 2 SEASONS). Thomas' best performances this past season, 234 yards rushing on 28 carries with 2 TDs (against UCLA with Akeem Ayers in the backfield), 269 yards rushing on 36 carries with 2 TDs, and 181 yards rushing on 34 carries with 2 TDs.

Daniel Thomas is believed (by a few people, including me) to be a better pro prospect than EITHER one of the previous mentioned running backs (Murray & Williams). If you've never seen Thomas run before, here's a youtube highlight video of the BEAST, enjoy.

Here's the link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KCsgxRveJjg

DeMarco Murray 2010 stats: 282 carries, 1,214 yards, 15 TDs (4.3 yard per carry average). Murray rushed for 208 yards one time this season in his first game on 35 carries. That was his ONLY time this season over 200 yards.

Ryan Williams 2010 stats: 110 carries, 447 rushing yards, 9 TDs (4.3 yard per carry average, missed ALOT of playing time due to injury issues). His best performance this past season, he rushed for 142 yards on 14 carries, he NEVER went over 100 yards rushing at ANY time before OR after that game.


Daniel Thomas 2010 stats: 298 carries, 1,585 yards, 19 TDs ( 5.3 yard per carry average, didn't miss ONE game due to injuries in EITHER of his LAST 2 SEASONS). Thomas' best performances this past season, 234 yards rushing on 28 carries with 2 TDs (against UCLA with Akeem Ayers in the backfield), 269 yards rushing on 36 carries with 2 TDs, and 181 yards rushing on 34 carries with 2 TDs.

Daniel Thomas is believed (by a few people, including me) to be a better pro prospect than EITHER one of the previous mentioned running backs (Murray & Williams). If you've never seen Thomas run before,

New running back will add speed? Didn't he run a 4.6 at the combine? Thats not speed.

I would love to see us sign DeAndre Mcdaniel for a safety spot and Noel Devine for a shot at speedster.

It just amazes me how many people say "They should have traded down!" like there's a button you push. Either someone wants to trade UP...or you don't trade DOWN.

It's not an option that just appears. This isn't Madden where you can pile a bunch of crap together until the game says "okay."

Given the opportunities that Ireland had with what was available at the time I think he did better than C++. I think you are looking at a solid B.Pouncy alone would make this draft a B.add to that Thomas & Gates and we got Beef and Speed and all of it on the offensive side of the ball. What they need now is one more large, aggressive offensive lineman through free agency. We won't need to be talking about replacing Henne next year or Brown & Williams this year.

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