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More Palmer trade denials from Bengals

The lead story over at NFL.com is bad news for the Dolphins.

Still.

Cincinnati Bengals owner Mike Brown continues to take a hard line regarding the possible trading of disgruntled quarterback Carson Palmer, saying from the current NFL owners' meeting that he remains adamant he will not trade the former Pro Bowl player.

"We don't plan to trade Carson," Brown said Monday at the NFL Spring Meeting. "He's important to us. He's a very fine player, and we do want him to come back. If he chooses not to, he'd retire. And we would go with Andy Dalton, the younger player we drafted, who's a good prospect.

"Ideally, we'd have both of them. That'd the best way to go forward. If we don't have Carson, we'll go with Andy."

I reported way back in March that of all the veteran quarterbacks with a possibility of being available when the NFL gets back to work, Palmer would be first on Miami's wish list if he's indeed available. I also told you that could be wishful thinking because the Bengals, specifically Brown, has said countless times he's not trading Palmer.

Palmer, as you may know, has said he will not play again in Cincinnati. He's said he would rather retire than return. So Brown is apparently picking the nuclear option rather than considering a trade that would bring a draft pick to his team.

And everyone I've spoken to tells me Brown is serious. So I get it.

But ...

I've been at this for a long time. And I know sometimes -- more often than many know -- things are said definitively for public consumption for the sake of taking a stance that improves ones status, or bargaining position, or fulfills some other agenda.

Examples:

"I will not be the Alabama coach."

--Nick Saban

"We are not trading Jason Taylor."

--Bill Parcells

"We are not selling the Miami Dolphins."

--Tim Robbie

"I did not have sex with that woman, Ms. Lewinsky."

--President Clinton

"Read my lips, no new taxes."

--President Bush 41

"I'm starting my diet tomorrow. Pass me the carrot cake."

--Armando Salguero

"Tom Brady, right arm (questionable)"

--New England Patriots injury report

"I believe this is the year that we're going to win the Super Bowl. I thought we'd win it the first two years. I guarantee we'll win it this year."

--Rex Ryan

Lies. All of them. Lies. Folks sometimes say things to suit their agenda. And when setting up a possible trade, it suits a team's agenda to raise the value on that player. I do not know if this is what Brown is doing. Again, from all I'm told, that is not his way of operating.

But until we know for sure, we cannot dismiss the possibility, however small, that Brown is saying he will not trade Palmer because saying otherwise at this point would basically lower Palmer's value. Think of what the Tennessee Titans are doing with Vince Young, for example.

They are being completely forthright. They are saying they'd like to trade Young, but will release him if a trade cannot be worked out. So Young's trade value, not great to begin with, is through the floor because every team knows if they hold fast on giving up compensation for him, they can enter a free agency derby for him without having to pay a draft pick in return.

Palmer, meanwhile, has most value if the team that currently holds his rights values him so highly that they would rather have him retire than let him go elsewhere.

Another agenda possibly at play here is one taught to me by a wise football man. He told me you never give in to a player who demands to leave your team because then you might have a handful of players making that demand. You hold that player hostage as long as possible. Then, if and only if you get high return for that player, you dump him before he becomes a distraction or problem in your locker room.

That is, if you remember correctly, exactly what the Dolphins did with Jason Taylor. It is, if you remember correctly, what they did with Patrick Surtain. It is, if you remember correctly, what they failed to do with Daunte Culpepper because they missed the timing for getting rid of him and he became a distraction in the summer of 2007.

So don't bet on the Bengals getting rid of Carson Palmer because owner Mike Brown is saying otherwise. But do not be surprised if the Bengals do get rid of Carson Palmer even though owner Mike Brown is saying otherwise.

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Fin,

When doing my monthly budget I ALWAYS allow a percentage for the bail bondsman.

If I luck out and don't need it, I try and extend my luck into a parlay at the Casino!

So even in this day and age, I'm either fighting or gambling, but ALWAYS Drinking!

Bottoms Up!!!!

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Whose dumbass idea was this?

Some Chick left it here last week. I been giving it hell, but man it ain't easy!

I mixed a couple up with some beam but then decided I didn't want to waste the Beam-YUK!

odin,

Bttoms up!!! Been spending some quality time with my pak Jack Daniels as well, by the way you mix Jim Beam with Tea, Yuk buddy!! I will never waste my whiskey with mixes it`s sacrilidge for me. I did enjoy your post earlier about your feelings regarding a suspension to the season, I happen to feel the same way!!!!!!

You can see by my mispelled words that my hang is getting intensem while I wait out game 4 tonight

Odin...This should be the question.
How much better do we realistically get with any of the quarterbacks that may be available?
I just do not see any upside to any of them, that Chad Henne cannot accomplish.

We should put some fealers out there, and see who may land in our laps. Just for competitions sake. But really with this quarterback group it is like taking a walk in the forest and getting lost. Who in this class can you see behind center for this team in 3 years? Probably nobody. We are still at square 1.

Also, I do not think that the offense is at the point where we can just plug in a journeyman and have success. Do any of these guys make us a playoff threat?? I don't think so, perhaps. But I don't think so. Sorry, but I think it is live or die with Henne next year.

dd whenever they play football again, henne wont be the starter

Armando,

You through around stats, like that's all that matters. If the fact that Carson Palmer had 3900 yards passing, with 26 TDs and 20 INTs is the all important numbers, why did his team go 4-12 last year? Isn't that the more important stat? Is that really what we want our QB to do...win games? So basically what you're saying is it wasn't his fault. But on the other hand you are saying the fact that the Dolphins won THREE more games than the Bengals IS Henne's fault. I'm not really figuring your logic.

On the other hand, you say that Owens 'is problematic in the huddle' and a 'fill in', while simply ignoring his stats. Hey, I'll take a guy who's a 'fill in', who gets 983 yards and 9TDs in only 14 games, any day of the week. So basically, you through out Palmer's number from last year, while simply ignoring Owens....interesting.

Listen, debating Henne's numbers from last year with Palmer's is not what this is about. What you ALSO have to figure out is would you rather have a QB who is 32 years old and has had multiple injuries or a QB who is 25 years old? One guy is on the downside of his career and you would expect the other guy still has his best years ahead of him. On top of all that, and probably most important in my mind, what would you have to give up to acquire him. It hasn't worked previously and I don't expect it will work with Palmer.

Darryl,

At this point these posts are nothing but window dressing put up to spin our wheels while we wait out the labor dispute. I don`t think Ireland would risk his job by making a trade and having that player fall flat while loosing Henne competely in the process, any move of that nature he makes wil fall squarely on him and I believe he more or less sees it for what it is and will wait out next years draft.

how does next years draft work. since there isnt a season, do they have a lottery?

Darn it. I am so bored without football. Let me see if I can put so spice in my life.
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Dusty Bottoms...That is a good question. How would the draft be structured if there was no season? Would there be a lottery, would the order stay the same? Would there be a draft or would it be a free agent bonanza? That is an interesting question that perhaps someone can shed some light on...

Darryl,

Ref. Your statement/question, @ 8:02

"How much better do we realistically get with any of the quarterbacks that may be available?
I just do not see any upside to any of them, that Chad Henne cannot accomplish."?
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I can agree with the statement, but I think you are either missing or just not addressing the point of bringing in another veteran QB.

I don't feel replacing Chad Henne is Miami's motivation or desire in bringing in another guy. I feel they are looking to give the guy a "Push" that he really has not had since the day Chad Pennington was injured in San Diego in 2009. Sure, Chad Pennington was in camp in '10 but it was clear his arm was sorely lacking (I visited 3 practices and it was VERY clear to me). And let's all be honest, Tyler Thigpen is fun to watch, but there is a reason he has only won 1 or 2 games as a starter in the NFL.

I feel Miami is trying to accomplish 2 things. 1. Get some heat under Chad's butt so he has a motivation to both improve and be willing to show some gut's and leadership on the field. 2. Place a guy on the Roster who may just be on a roll and unseat Henne. Take a look at what Warner did in Phoenix man... Never underestimate a guy running out of chances or time. Then there is the obvious. How many QB's go from wire to wire without missing a few plays or even games? Miami needs a quality backup.

I really don't think Miami’s coaching staff is trying to fool themselves here. These QB’s they are looking at are better known to them then to us. Henne is Miami guy... but you HAVE to do due diligence.

Derek..Whats up?

I agree that a competition for the starting spot is crucial. As far ar whoever coming in winning that spot. The odds go down each day this labor mess continues..

In the best case scenario the 2 sides come to an agreement and buisness resumes(this includes trades, free agent moves, orginized team workouts) Now I totaly get why we should bring in an additional if not a couple of additional qb's....If any capapble guy unseats Henne, so be it. My biggest fear, and the point I should have made was that I do not believe that there is one guy out there that is going to be that is worth giving away any part of our future to aquire. If it is a monetary amount that is one thing. But no picks, not for this lot.

I think this would be a desperate move that is totaly unneccesary. You mentioned Warner, he went to Arizona as an understudy, at the time low cost. He was supposed to show Leihart how to be a pro. He ended up having a lot more in the tank then I'm sure the Cards thought he had. You used him as an example, and it is a good one. I'm just not sure there is a guy witht that pedigree out there that we can luck into(no pun, or word play there)

Having a competition that is not just a rouse, but a real battle will be a good tool for this team. I just think under the circumstances, it may not be possible. If the labor dispute runs into August, and jeapordizes full training camp. How do you have a real quarterback competition? Do you even want to go there? or do you just go with the status quo?I'm not sure if it came down to that scenario that the smart thing to do was put your chips in on Henne.

..Good game tonight.

@ 10:48 I'm not sure that if it came down to that scenario the the smart thing to do would be putting all your chips in on Henne...That is what I intended that sentence to read.

Derek..One more thing.

Good point about quartebacks making it through a season. It is more likely that your starter gets dinged up and misses a game or two, then it is he makes it through and plays 16 games. So i see your point about finding a guy that is a capable starter, even if he is the backup.

Whoever this mystery man is, he isn't going to be perfect, he probably won't be the savior. The most important role he may play is challenging Henne to play better, and having the ability to run the offense should he win the job, or have to play in a secondary role. Remember there are a bunch of teams still looking for quarterbacks...There is no sure bet that we will get the pick of the liter.

darryl,

HOW IS YOUR HEALTH NOW , I HOPE YOU DOING MUCH BETTER .

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I have been learning a little molecular gastronomy stuff the last few weeks. I think I would rather stick to regular cuisine. But the techniques are kind of cool...

DARRYL,


THIS GUY DEREK IS A REAL SMART FAN ,ALL HIS POSTS ARE VERY RIGHT ON TARGET .........

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ALoco..Thank you..much appreciated. Yup Derek makes some good points. I enjoy his posts as well.. Entertaining hoops game tonight. I don't have a horse in the race, so I just want to see close games. That was a good one.

All this endless talk of Henne needing someone to push him is plain ridiculous. If you really need someone to push you to get your game on then you suck and will fall flat again in no time. You are either good enough or you aren't. This is the NFL, if you still need someone to wipe your butt or steal your girlfriend to get your mojo going, you are a loser.

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DB,

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DB,,


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Watching NFL Live... John Clayton has Vince Young going to Miami because the Wildcat. He's Clearly our best option.

JB,

Think about it, VY isnt coming off of doing prison time hard up do anything just to have a team give him a 2nd chance(M. Vick). Most likely he'll end up a fa because teams know the Titans are cutting bait regardless.

Virtually having the pick of the litter of various teams who will be vying for his services, do you actually think he'll choose a team looking to have him run the "wildcat"? I think not. It'll destroy his legitimacy as a prototypical nfl qb.

AMAZING CHIEF BREED IS STELL POSTING SEAING HOW HES GOTTA GET UP AT 6 TO DO HIS FARM WORK.

THERE'S 2 ARTICLES ON PFT ;

1- MARSHALL'S WIFE AND THE CHARGES AGAINST HER WILL BE DROPPED B/C MARSHALL WILL NOT TALK TO THE POLICE .
PS... ARTICLE SAYS, MARSHALL MISSES HIS WIFE .....................


2- CROWDER SAYING ,MANY PLAYERS ARE RUNNING OUT OF MONEY .

Some of you here have gotten all up in arms with the players and the NFLPA (DeMaurice Smith), and have completely and utterly sided with the Owners on this lockout situation. That's your right.

Then, you would have thought Smith turned into Osama bin Laden when the stories came out that the NFLPA was asking potential draftees not to go to the Draft. Oh, did he get a beatdown from these posters on here. All you hear was, "how could he..", "not fair to these kids who are realizing their dreams.." blah blah blah.

Well, now you see the truth. Roger Goodell LOVED those kids SO MUCH, the Owners LOVED these future moneypots for their teams SO MUCH, that they canceled the rookie symposium. Some of you may not understand, but that's maybe the single-most important program the NFL gives to its young players, because it helps them learn how to be professionals (remember, these are 20-somethings, most from tiny communities, who ain't see sh*t or done sh*t in their lives, who now are under a microscope, for the World to see on TV, and millions in their pockets).

All I can say is: DISGUSTING. These kids refused the NFLPA, came to the Draft, shook Goodell's hand, hugged him, haven't done ANYTHING to deserve this treatment, and they don't even get the benefit from the NFL to learn about how to navigate the treacherous waters of being a professional football player.

I hope I hear some condemnation of the NFL, Goodell and the Owners from the SAME people on here elbowing over each other to hate on the NFLPA, players and DeMaurice Smith.

Get a clue people, the Owners and NFL are NOT the good guys, they're the greed guys, who don't care about anything but money. Ask the financial markets how well that's worked over on Wall Street. Ask Lehman Bros. if greed is good.

Crtz, I am with ya... Was a fan of the heat when they had Glen Rice, loved that guy. But been a different teams fan for years.

Posted by: Poizen | May 24, 2011 at 04:10 PM
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Poizen and Crtz......

In the Immortal words of RICK FLAIR......

"YOI AIN'T GOTTA LIKE IT....BUT YOU BETTER LEARN TO LOVE IT.....WHOOOO!!!!!!!!

GO HEAT!!!

YOU AIN'T GOTTA LIKE IT.....BUT YOU HAD BETTER LEARN TO LOVE IT......WHOOOO!!!!!!!!!!

GO HEAT!!!!!

I'm not sure any QB could have been successful under this offensive system..Wildcat,checkdown,and 3 yard carries..The whole staff plays not to lose instead of playing to win..The OC was horrible at best..I look at it this way Henne was given a horrible rushing attack and a horrible O-line and expected to make it work.It looks like another year of fist pumping field goals..We are the only team in the league that spends 100+ million on a swinging gate o-line..The worst off season move was keeping this coaching staff...I was always taught if you keep doing the same thing the results will be the same.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

That goes double for the rest of you hater's too.....WHOOOOO!!!!!!

bigdaddy, here's my gripe with the Dolphins players, up here in D.C., the news is all about this incredible practice John Beck set-up (yeah, that John Beck, the 3rd-string QB who's vying for a starting role this year). 41 players showed up, including all their rookies, they did 7-on-7 drills, worked out, apparently had a really hard, good practice. I think they're running a 3-day mini-camp.

I've heard about that happening in Detroit, New Orleans, St. Louis, a bunch of other places.

I haven't heard even HALF of that coming out of Miami. I read that Dolphins players are setting something up, but it doesn't sound as serious or as effective as what I'm hearing from other teams.

So, my question is, do these guys care? Do they like losing? Do they like not even being a whisper of a team that matters? Cause, if they have any self-pride, I'd think THIS team above all others would try to do anything and everything to get an edge over everyone else. Yeah, they're working out by themselves, but why aren't they working out together? That's my issue. Sounds like these guys are all out to get a paycheck, and really don't care if they win a SuperBowl. That's too bad, because us fans deserve a lot more commitment than what we're seeing out of our team right now.

"The lead story over at NFL.com is bad news for the Dolphins." Not!

Why is it the Bengals seem to feel better about moving ahead with Andy Dalton than Miami feels about moving ahead with Chad Henne??

DC.....

My gripe with these "practices" if you want to call them that is this.....SO WHAT!

SO a team gets together for a few hours a day.....SO WHAT?

there are way morwe CONS to this happening then PROS....

Without making a list....i'll just discuss the biggest one....INJURY.....

The Dolphins lost 2 players last year before the 1st kick-off due to injury....amd those were LEGAL practices....

Will the ownwer's still pay out a contract and medical care for a player who tears an achilles or blows out a knee.....

I'm not a lawyer....but I got a feeling they would fight it tooth and nail....so...again i say...SO WHAT?

A health and contract are way more important.....the "practices" are more of a war for your support...a war for your mind....not something to really accomplish anything significant.....

imo

Pass the carrot cake...haaa funny,I'm the same way

Were taking about practice mannn.....practice!

I mean practice....not a game...not a game.....were talking bout practice......

kris, I'd say practice is where Champions are made. That's where you learn good technique, that's where you learn the little tricks to get an advantage in the league, that's also where you can come together with your teammates and get on the same page.

You have a point, that injury is definitely a possibility every time you get out on the field, but I'm not saying these guys need to be in pads, hitting each other full speed or anything.

Here's how practice can help Henne in particular: get with your receivers, backs, oline, and work on the routes. Work on the technique, work on learning each other's tendencies. See if Bess prefers to break right or left most of the time in a 3-step drop. You've got a new Center, make sure you and Pouncey are on the same page. You have a new RB, see how he likes to receive the ball, make sure your movements are more fluid-like and less robotic. None of these things actually requires anyone to risk injury.

I think for this particular team, who hasn't been consistent in YEARS, who hasn't looked like they've been on the same page in YEARS, they could benefit (and it certainly couldn't hurt) from getting to know each other and practicing with each other more and doing less training apart from your teammates.

I'd say, yes, on the delicate, glass-like Odrick, keep him inside, chained to a bed, behind bulletproof glass, in a cushioned-wall room until the season starts, cause he's about as fragile as an egg. For all the other (REAL) men on the team, I think they'd be ok getting out there and training together for a few days/weeks. I think more positive will come out of that than negative.

DC....

I like your post anf AGREE with 100% of what you said....

But if i'm the player....and My MILLIONS are on the line....or in some cases 100,000's (which might mean even more)....

I'm not doing NOTHING without coverage....

I commend those that DO....but i don't fault those that don't....there is just to much at stake....

If there's a 1% chance....then there's a 100% chance....

kris, you're absolutely right if you're a player thinking about themselves. And honestly, I can't hate on them for that (since that's how the Owners think).

But I'd sure like to win against NE if they play that 1st game. And they weren't good enough last game in 2010 to beat my high school JV team. So I'm just worried what we'll see when/if football resumes.

great list mando.....great examples....my favorite the rex ryan lie....

also you left out obummer's, "i give my word, i will never try to divide the land of Israel"

also, pass the carrot cake

THIS IS NOT BAD NEWS!!!!

WHO PAID DA REFS IN DA HEAT GAME.

DC,

WHAT CHAMPIONS ?

IT'S A PRO FOOTBALL WHERE MONEY RULES ..............YOUR POST WOULD BE NICE IN THE 1940'S .

ALoco, you're right about 3/4's of the league, but there are still teams who do it right out there:

Steelers, Patriots, Packers, Ravens, just to name a few.

It's not always ONLY about the money with proud franchises.

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