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More Palmer trade denials from Bengals

The lead story over at NFL.com is bad news for the Dolphins.

Still.

Cincinnati Bengals owner Mike Brown continues to take a hard line regarding the possible trading of disgruntled quarterback Carson Palmer, saying from the current NFL owners' meeting that he remains adamant he will not trade the former Pro Bowl player.

"We don't plan to trade Carson," Brown said Monday at the NFL Spring Meeting. "He's important to us. He's a very fine player, and we do want him to come back. If he chooses not to, he'd retire. And we would go with Andy Dalton, the younger player we drafted, who's a good prospect.

"Ideally, we'd have both of them. That'd the best way to go forward. If we don't have Carson, we'll go with Andy."

I reported way back in March that of all the veteran quarterbacks with a possibility of being available when the NFL gets back to work, Palmer would be first on Miami's wish list if he's indeed available. I also told you that could be wishful thinking because the Bengals, specifically Brown, has said countless times he's not trading Palmer.

Palmer, as you may know, has said he will not play again in Cincinnati. He's said he would rather retire than return. So Brown is apparently picking the nuclear option rather than considering a trade that would bring a draft pick to his team.

And everyone I've spoken to tells me Brown is serious. So I get it.

But ...

I've been at this for a long time. And I know sometimes -- more often than many know -- things are said definitively for public consumption for the sake of taking a stance that improves ones status, or bargaining position, or fulfills some other agenda.

Examples:

"I will not be the Alabama coach."

--Nick Saban

"We are not trading Jason Taylor."

--Bill Parcells

"We are not selling the Miami Dolphins."

--Tim Robbie

"I did not have sex with that woman, Ms. Lewinsky."

--President Clinton

"Read my lips, no new taxes."

--President Bush 41

"I'm starting my diet tomorrow. Pass me the carrot cake."

--Armando Salguero

"Tom Brady, right arm (questionable)"

--New England Patriots injury report

"I believe this is the year that we're going to win the Super Bowl. I thought we'd win it the first two years. I guarantee we'll win it this year."

--Rex Ryan

Lies. All of them. Lies. Folks sometimes say things to suit their agenda. And when setting up a possible trade, it suits a team's agenda to raise the value on that player. I do not know if this is what Brown is doing. Again, from all I'm told, that is not his way of operating.

But until we know for sure, we cannot dismiss the possibility, however small, that Brown is saying he will not trade Palmer because saying otherwise at this point would basically lower Palmer's value. Think of what the Tennessee Titans are doing with Vince Young, for example.

They are being completely forthright. They are saying they'd like to trade Young, but will release him if a trade cannot be worked out. So Young's trade value, not great to begin with, is through the floor because every team knows if they hold fast on giving up compensation for him, they can enter a free agency derby for him without having to pay a draft pick in return.

Palmer, meanwhile, has most value if the team that currently holds his rights values him so highly that they would rather have him retire than let him go elsewhere.

Another agenda possibly at play here is one taught to me by a wise football man. He told me you never give in to a player who demands to leave your team because then you might have a handful of players making that demand. You hold that player hostage as long as possible. Then, if and only if you get high return for that player, you dump him before he becomes a distraction or problem in your locker room.

That is, if you remember correctly, exactly what the Dolphins did with Jason Taylor. It is, if you remember correctly, what they did with Patrick Surtain. It is, if you remember correctly, what they failed to do with Daunte Culpepper because they missed the timing for getting rid of him and he became a distraction in the summer of 2007.

So don't bet on the Bengals getting rid of Carson Palmer because owner Mike Brown is saying otherwise. But do not be surprised if the Bengals do get rid of Carson Palmer even though owner Mike Brown is saying otherwise.

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Good list Armando. By the way,

Best Carrot Cake Ever (if you're in the neighborhood):

1. Jones, Philadelphia, PA

2. Cheesy Eddie's, Rochester, NY

ARMANDO:

IT'S BAD NEWS FOR YOU.

I DON'T THINK YOU HAVE AS MUCH OF A PALMER FOLLOWING AS YOU DID WHEN YOU FIRST STARTED THIS BULLS--T.

YOU're SUPED UP ON A 4-12 QUARTERBACK WHO HAD BETTER WEAPONS THAN A 7-9 QUATERBACK.

I RATHER HAVE OCHOCINCO AND T.O FOR LESS THAN THE PRICE WE WOULD PAY PALMER.

BRANDON,TERREL,AND CHAD IN THE SLOT.

THAT'S PICTURE PERFECT.

OR

BRANDON, SIMS-WALKER, T.O

STILL CHEAPER THAN PALMER AND DYNAMIC FOR HENNE AND FIN FANS.

DC,


THESE TEAMS DO IT B/C THEY DO HAVE THE RIGHT MIX AND THE RIGHT COACHES AND THE THE GOOD QB NOT B/C THE PLAYERS HAVE HEARTS OF CHAMPIONS .......... THESE DAYS ARE OVER ....


PS... STILL THAT WAS A GREAT POST DC TO READ AND INSPIRE .

CROWDER
FASANO
R.BROWN
R.WILLIAMS
HARTLINE
BERGER

.......................DO THESE PLAYERS HAVE HEARTS OF CHAMPIONS OR THEY DO LOOK LIKE BUSINESS MEN ?

ALOCO:

CROWDER FOR REAL?

JUSTIN,


CROWDER IS SELLING LUNCHES,SHOES AND ALL KIND OF CRAP WHEN HE'S NOT PLAYING ... HEART OF A SALESMAN .

LOL @ ALOCO

MARSHALL SAID, HE MISSES HIS WIFE AND HER COOKING ........

This article (from espn.com) is for all you people calling for Palmer, VY, Kolb, etc:

Football Outsiders senior writer Mike Tanier put together his 10 most disappointing trades of the past quarter century for ESPN Insider.

Forty percent involved AFC East clubs, and in only one case were they not the suckers. In some instances there were no winners on either side of the deal.

The Miami Dolphins were indicted twice. Their succession of quarterback trades from 2005 through 2008 ranked eighth. Tanier called them a "series of ill-conceived trades for backups and has-beens."

Keep shining Miami!!!

What if Palmer = Brees....

I know all of you are tired of being burnt....I am too.....

Penne was outstanding for a year...and if not for being fragile...might still be the starting QB here already.....

Those that want to blame EVERYBODY but Henne...choose to ignore 2008....Nobody was calling for Henning's head when we finished 11-5....

same system....different QB.....worse results....what really changed..if I may ask.....

Palmer could be just what this team needs....smart.....can read a defence....and can put the ball on the money...

If the price is right..and THIS FO goes for it.....I for ONE will be happy they took a chance....

We don't need to trade a pick for a QB this year because we have a new OC and a new system being installed. If we can pick up a vet via FA than that is the way to bring Henne some competition. We have the makings of a special team and they need to grow together. Special Teams needs to be tweaked severly and the defense should be our strength again this year. If the lock out prevails and we have no NFL this year...make College Football your game and spend Sunday's with the family and friends. No sweat off of my Balz.


GO DOLPHINS!!!

No, I like the heat but hate Saben....LOL

Is the hockey playoff still going on....

and if so...WHY????

KRIS:

YOUR WILLING TO TAKE A CHANCE ON A 30+ YEAR OLD QUATERBACK WHO HAD TWO OF THE TOP WIDEOUTS IN THE GAME AND FINISHED 4-12.

Penne was outstanding for a year...and if not for being fragile...might still be the starting QB here already.....

Those that want to blame EVERYBODY but Henne...choose to ignore 2008....Nobody was calling for Henning's head when we finished 11-5....

same system....different QB.....worse results....what really changed..if I may ask.....

Posted by: Kris | May 25, 2011 at 01:28 PM


Penny, OUTSTANDING? Come on Kris. I smell snake oil!

Penny and Henning started out 0-3 TWO YEARS IN A ROW. Real outstanding there!

Once Ronnie Brown got Penny to the playoffs, look how outstanding THAT was. What was it 3 int's in one of the most pathetic playoff appearences I've ever seen.

But wait, let me guess, it wasn't Pennys fault, it was everybody elses-ROTFLMAO! I smell a double standard coming on.

I'll tell you what changed, David Lee's wildcat. THAT, our schedule and our league leading turnover ratio is what pulled Penny and Hennings sorry a s s e s out of the fire.

As soon as NFL defenses caught up with Ronnie Brown and the wildcat our offense was exposed for what it was, archaic and pathetic.

But you go ahead and keep on blaming Henne and whistle some Dixie while you're at it.

Justin......in a word.....YES!

Justin....A question.....

Since when are T.O. and Chad Johnson considered 2 of the best WR in the NFL.....

Johnson will be cut when the CBA is signed...and as of NOW.....T.O. doesn't even have a team.....

T.O. wasn't signed until weeks before the season started....and is on like is 3rd team in 3 years.....

Does that sound like BEST IN THE NFL TO YOU?

Kris,

Just for the record, I was the single voice posting here about what a handicap it'll be having Hennings here in Miami.

From day 1-PERIOD!

After seeing Penny and Henny start out 0-3 I wasn't surprised. I was happy the wildcat work out so well temporarily and i was damn sure happy we took the division.

Yes, even then I was calling for Hennings head!

From DAY 1

KRIS:

T.O IS A FIRST BALLOT HALL OF FAMER.

AT 37 HE HAD OVER 900 YARDS AND LIKE 9 TDS.

IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN HE'S 2ND IN EVERY CATOGORY BEHIND RICE.

NOW WHAT WAS YOUR QUESTION AGAIN?

Gorilla Pastry Shop.

The best.

OH AND THEY BOTH HAVE HAD MORE 1,000 YARD SEASONS COMBINDED THAN MAYBE THE WHOLE NFL PUT TOGETHER. (EXAGRATEING LITTLE) MAYBE.

I'll tell you what changed, David Lee's wildcat. THAT, our schedule and our league leading turnover ratio is what pulled Penny and Hennings sorry a s s e s out of the fire.

Posted by: odinseye | May 25, 2011 at 02:46 PM
---------------------------------------------------------

Odin,

1st...the WC is now used by MANY teams in the NFL....I don't like it...but its true....the WC is growing in popularity....and WHEN run properly is very effecti0ve....

2nd....I don't blame the schedule for anything....nor due I credit the schedule for wins....

Last I checked....you play whose in front of you....

If schedule was such a factor....we should have run the table in the last quarter of the season....(THE LAST 2 SEASON'S)......and made the playoffs....

I can't believe you would even bring in a SOFT SCHEDULE argument.....now i'm ROTFLMAO.......and LOLing.....and whatever other letters i can type to make others think your argument is silly......the DOLPHINS were comming off of 1-15......THEY WON ONE GAME THE PREVIOUS SEASON.....

You play the teams on your schedule...Period....

AND THIS YEAR.....WE LOST TO THE BILL/LIONS/AND BROWNS.....when the playoffs were still within our grasp...

what say you of that back-end of the schedule?

ODIN,


PLEASE REFRAIN FROM SAYING YOU WERE FIRST THIS AND FIRST THAT .......

Odin @ 2:56.....I will admit...you are consistent in saying that.....so I do believe you....

KRIS:

WHAT ARGUMENT DO YOU HAVE OR RATHER WHY PALMER.

LET'S NOT BRING BRESS INTO BECAUSE HE WASN'T OVER 30.

JUSTIN IS VERY SMART KRIS,, STICK ONLY WITH THE 4-12 MR PALMER .

Justin.....would it also be fair to say that T.O. was among the league leaders in drops....just like he was last year....when he led the league.....

If you watch Inside the NFL along with Chris Berman's "THE BLITZ".....they have shown countless examples when he broke off his route...or ran the wrong route......or gave up on the play...causing many of those Palmerr picks that have many on here leery of his play.....

I love me some T.O......but to deny he is on the downside of his carreer just isn't being rationale........NFL GM's don't beat down T.O. door.......don't take my word for it.....just watch......

Is he good,,,Hell YEAH.....is he still great....saddly NO...


KRIS,


IF YOU STICK FOR PALMER ON THOSE DROPPED BALLS BY T.O ...WHY DON'T YOU APPLY SAME LOGIC TO HENNE WHEN FASANO,HRTLINE AND MR MARSHALL DROPS HIS BALLS ?

Justin.....if you have been checking in from time to time....you would have seen I brought up palmer back in DEC....before the season was even over......Like Odin....I was the 1st..to suggest his name....along with McNabb....
I am not gonna re-hash all that stuff....because in my mind Henne will be the starting QB.....wether i like it or not......

and I got news for you.....no matter what way you spin it in your mind....THIS FO DID NOT WANT HENNE AS THE STARTER......but now we have no choice....so they will back him...as will I....when the time comes.....

Aloco....

If you pay attention to football......and the way the game is played.....you will see Palmer gets the BALL OUT IN TIME.....Thats key....its HUGE.....it doesn't allow DBs to get a jump on the ball....

He doesn't STARTE DOWN his reciever...making it easier for DB's to make a play.....

He understands Defence's....which allow him to AUDIBLE....something that Henning said he asked Henne to do......when he saw it.....THE PROBLEM IS HENNE NEVER SAW IT.....

Aloco...understand what a catchable ball is.....ball placement.......all of these thing are important to a completion Vs. a drop......

KRIS,

IF IT'S ALL TRUE WHAT YOU SAY @ 3;30 PM ,WHY HE HAS 4-12 RECORD FOR LAST 2 SEASON ?

Sooooo.......you guys can hate what I say about Henne all day long....but i'm only siding with those in the Miami Dolphins FO.....

Aloco....go back and read 3:20 PM....that will give you some insight.....as to why they were 4-12....

Along with that was there 27th ranked Rushing game (6 spots lower than ours)....and terrible D.....

WHY YOU SIDE WITH THE DOLPHINS FO ? DON'T YOU HAVE YOUR OWN BRAIN ? THEY R DUMB AS MASHED POTATOES .

WE ALSO HAVE NOT VERY GOOD DEFENSE , THAT'S WHY WE HAD 1-7 RECORD AT HOME .

DC NOLAN IS OVER RATED .
DANSBY IS OVER RATED .
CROWDER IS OVER RATED .

WAKE IS UNDER RATED .

I agree Aloco...our D was suspect @ best.......

Give the expeirence of Palmer over the Robotic skills of Henne...who sacked himself on more than one occasion last season.......

Re-sign Henne for a million a year......and let him be the QB of the future......

Dansby....NOT over rated.....WORTH EVERY PENNY

KRIS,

THANKS FOR AGREEING WITH ME WITHOUT A FIGHT .AS FOR HENNE'S CONTRACT ,I PREDICT HE WILL SIGN A MULTI YEAR DEAL WORTH AT LEAST 6 MILLION A YEAR BY YEAR END .

Aloco.....thats funny....

You also predicted the CBA would be signed in 72hrs......THAT WAS 200 HRS AGO......

KRIS,

THAT WAS FAKE ALoco ,who in his right mind predict some thing in 72 hours BUT BY YEAR END ,EVERY OINE WILL FORGET WHAT I SAID .

i think the bengals are trying to up the trade value for what they get for carson palmer is all their trying to do...palmer is not going to come back and play for the bengals ever again! it would be so stupid of bengals to just let him retire and get nothing in return for the guy, but they should not get carried away and to greedy in their asking price in return...trade palmer and keep building a young talented team..

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