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Ross raises serious questions in USA Today

The NFL spring meeting adjourned in Indianapolis on Wednesday but before he left town, Dolphins owner Stephen Ross talked to USA Today and addressed Miami's cost-cutting measures.

Look, the cost-cutting measure are what they are. Big business in America is hurting and it is taking measures to protect itself. So are local and state governments for that matter. It is a sad fact of life in today's bad economy and employees, such as those working for the Dolphins or Miami Herald for that matter, are always free to go work elsewhere if they are disgruntled about cost-cutting measures.

That said, the USA Today interview with Ross is eyebrow-raising for a couple of reasons.

First: Ross shows hints of a person suffering from buyer's remorse.

"The emotions of wanting to own a team were greater than the fact that this might be coming," Ross said of his purchase despite the looming lockout that everyone knew was coming. "You always figured that something like this, you know, it's going to get resolved. It's a question of when. Hopefully it will be sooner rather than later."

Ross paid $1.1 billion for the Dolphins in 2008-2009 and that investment dropped in value almost immediately as the economy tanked, particularly the real estate economy in South Florida. He's mentioned how that wasn't a great investment short-term. Wednesday, he mentioned how the work stoppage is not a great time to be an owner.

"Who the hell wants to own a team and not play?" he said. "It's about having a system that works. It's not about a bunch of greedy owners. It's a bunch of players looking to see how much they can really get."

And that leads me to troubling issue No. 2.

Ross doesn't call the NFL players greedy outright. But he implies the problem with getting a new collective bargaining agreement is, again, "a bunch of players looking to see how much they can really get."

Isn't that another way to say greedy?

Ross, who deals often with unions as a New York city businessman, is careful not to alienate them. But he's not quite as careful about alienating the players because apparently he doesn't equate their union with labor unions.

"We negotiate with unions all the time, and there are issues there," Ross said. "But they're not the same types of issues. When you're dealing with guys earning over $1 million a year — the average salary is, what, $1.87 million? — you're not talking about the same kind of labor issues. Are these really labor issues? These are not labor issues.

"There should be no sympathy in the labor movement in America for these ballplayers. It's a different deal."

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It's the truth.....compare what the average player salary is to what the minimum wage.
Factor in that players play about 6 months a year. They are not in want of much and if they lived within their means and were smart enough to invest they are set for life and will never have to endure the life most Americans do.

And YES! It is a labor issue for the ball players are workers NOT OWNERS they get paid by the owner who is the EMPLOYER. So if they are getting paid by Ross he is correct to assume they are his employees...


ROSS SUCKS. PERIOD!!!!!

It's about a bunch of owners looking to see how much they can really get. It's about a bunch of owners who "ask" for public subsidies to fund their stadiums and threaten to move their teams if those subsidies aren't provided. It's about a bunch of owners who won't share stadium naming rights, won't share luxury box revenue and won't share other local revenues. It's about the richest teams (Cowboys, Patriots, Redskins, Giants & Jets) who don't share the previously stated revenues with teams like the Raiders, 49ers, Jaguars & Bills. It's about low local revenue teams not able to keep up with high revenue teams. It's the owners who opted out of this agreement. It's the owners who want 2 billion dollars off the top before revenues are shared.

I REEEALLLY am beginning to hate our owner. JUST SHUT UUUUPPPP!! Sell the team to someone else if you don't want it anymore. I'm tired of this guy.

Just cut the checks you Jack Ass.

Both sides suck.....Period.....

Just tell me when they cross the line of cancelled games....

Then I will cancell my Direct TV NFL package.....

and shortly afterward.....my NFL fan card....

I hope many join me.

stress cracks

J Jones was bellyaching about ticket sales as well

as fans, we need to see these stress cracks from both sides. time to get back to mediation.
the courts can make rulings and hear appeals for months and months.
and at the end of the day, there will still have to be compromise

I DON'T CARE I WANT FOOTBALL.

IF WE DON'T GET ANY FOOTBALL ALL FANS SHOULD BEAT UP EVERY PLAYER AND OWNER AS WE COME ACROSS THEM.

TAKE MATTERS INTO OUR OWN HANDS.

i am a business owner, and if my employees ask for raises that i feel they don't deserve, then they are NOT getting a raise, period... if they asked to see my books, i would howl with laughter... if they want to go work for someone else for more money, then thank you for your services and have a nice day...

if these players want to earn more money, they should play for another football league...

bring on replacement players and see how quickly this matter gets resolved...

AMEN....I am not a fan of Ross or how he is he leveraged his investment by selling ownership "To the Stars". His way of maketing the company. That is why Purcell left. He is not a football man. However, in this issure he is 200% right. It is the fashion today, to hate the really wealthy. However, the really wealthyput up the $$$$$$$$ and pay the salaries. the player are totally overpaid and the fans are picking up he tab. Go into your workplace and tell the boss he now has a Salary Cap and it's much higher then he is now paying.. See what happens.

This story came along with Ross also saying all those employees will be getting back pay when the lockout ends.

Hes only telling the truth. Who wants to own anything you cant open for business. And of course who wouldn't feel crappy after losing a ton of money after an investment took an immediate down turn.

Is it not a bunch of players seeing how much they can get? Because the players haven't offered a counter proposal and instead continue to seek litigation through the court systems instead of sitting at a table and getting it done. Its not a surprise the guy leading the players, D.Smith, is a lawyer. The longer this drags out, the more money he makes. Hes not even a former player.

"It's about a bunch of owners who won't share stadium naming rights, won't share luxury box revenue and won't share other local revenues"

Name a job where you will only work there a few years, but you get a share of all revenue. These guys already get million dollar contracts. Even at a minimum they are making $500,000 a year.

So please stop with the poverty crap. The players already take home over 60% of the nfl pie in salaries.

"It's the owners who want 2 billion dollars off the top before revenues are shared."


You pay the billions needed to a buy a team and you would want the revenue from that business also wouldn't you?

Hey, if the players want to put their contracts and savings on the line when the nfl takes turns for the worse then fine.
But i can guarantee you none of the players are willing to give back a dime, even during a recession as you can see, if it all turned for the worse. In fact, they would play elsewhere in a heartbeat if paid more.They do it for the fans my arse

Ross is 100 percent correct!
I like what he said...
If the players want to get a deal done
Get rid of that idiot D Mauricio Smith
He is an idiot! and makes the players look worse then they really are. Players strike back
and make a deal without Smith

If the players had have a brain they would unifi without d smith and strike deal.. He is a poor representative for the players

"i am a business owner, and if my employees ask for raises that i feel they don't deserve, then they are NOT getting a raise, period... if they asked to see my books, i would howl with laughter... if they want to go work for someone else for more money, then thank you for your services and have a nice day...

if these players want to earn more money, they should play for another football league...

bring on replacement players and see how quickly this matter gets resolved..."

Bingo. The players take what they get paid and what they have for granted, so much as for some of them to think they are slaves in the nfl.

I'm sure every single one of them as kids and young adults in college were willing to play in the NFL for minimum wage if offered the chance.I was. Worried about injuries like they claim now? Hahaha..

Well, Ross accomplished his mission: to sound right by confusing the $ hit out of people because I have no idea wtf he was trying to say/get across.

can some one please start a website/ poll
showing the percentage of fans that agree to start the season and can all of the Union players.... I would love a fresh bunch of players, playing under a capped salary per player... can them all. any player should be given an option to de cretify from the union and come back and play under the NFL's new rules
1st year player max salary 275000 2nd player 375000 3rd year player 500000 4th player 750000 go try and make more somehwere else... good luck

There is one thing I agree w/ on the players side, they are contractors, ie IT contractors, plumbers, etc so technically they aren't employees but yet they are not "partners" either as DeMaurice Smith has "self proclaimed". I side w/ the owners, if the players want a better deal let them find it somewhere else, it doesn't exist. They don't need to self promote themselves to partner levels and demand to see books. It's irrelevant what the owners make, it's what they are willing to pay.

NFL can them all start fresh the public is speaking install max salary guide lines

Goodbye greed... give the new crop of replacement players better benefits and less upfront money....

We as fans need to speak our peace and take a stand...........

Dear Mr. Ross,

Uh, yeah, they are regular labor issues. Just because players earn a lot of money doesnt mean they dont have the right to negotiate in their own best interests. Especially when it comes to safety issues, like playing 2 more games every year despite the fact their bodies are already mangled when they leave the game, and we're finding out more and more what head injuries are doing to these guys later in life (i.e. Dave Duerson, Mike Webster).

Ross seems to imply all players are rich. The average NFL player plays a handful of years and earns a million or 2 after taxes. If Ross woke up tomorrow with Brian Hartline's or Lousaka Polite's bank account, he'd slit his wrists. And they have no guaranteed contracts. The NFL is basically "at will employment". At any time a player can be terminated. Thats the same deal the bus boy has at your favorite restaurant.

Billionaire owners didnt make their fortunes by being nice, reasonable guys. They are cutthroat and greedy.

Ross is right on target. Givin time unions destroy anything they get their hands in. If you think the owners are the problem-go buy a team.

New owner please.....

1983 was the last strike year...and the Dolphins made it to the Superbowl!
I'm for the owners using replacement players if it gets the Fins back to the big game!

Other than some Health and Retirement benefit reform, I'm all for the owners.

DuhMaurice Smith thinks he's leading a band of Pirates. Open the books? How about if you open your mind DuhMaurice?

The greatest Professional Sports League in the history of mankind and it all hinges on some dumb ass, grandstanding LAWYER!

WTF? He's basically a glorified money grubbing ambulance chaser and he's trying to stick it too the MAN!

Hey Dumb ass, it's 2011, get over yourself already!

THE TAMPA BAY BUCCANEERS WILL SEND ALL EMPLOYEES HOME THIS WEEK END WITHOUT PAY .......


AFTER ALL ROSS ISN'T BAD .

ODIN,

YOU CAN'T HAVE IT BOTH WAYS, ARE YOU FOR ROSS OR NOT ?

HE PAID 1.1 BILLION TO MAKE MONEY NOT SIT ON THE TABLE TALKING TO THESE DROP OUT PLAYERS .

If the players get what they're asking for, then free agency as we know it will cease to exist.
That means small market teams like the Bills & Jags would suffer and the Giants & Jets will always be in the playoffs.
The PLAYERS need to back off, stop over-reaching and take the current deal...otherwise fans like me will be screaming for REPLACEMENT PLAYERS come August.

EVERY PLAYER SHOULD DONATE 5 DOLLARS FOR EVERY DAY THE STRIKE IS ON.

THE OWNERS SHOULD DONATE 10 FOR EVERY DAY.

THE DONATIONS SHOULD BE FOR THE HOMELESS IN THE CITIES THE TEAMS ARE IN.

275 DOLLARS A DAY FOR THE HOMELESS.

At least some of you are starting to (finally) recognize there isn't going to be football this year. There is a HUGE gulf between the sides and no resolution in sight.

Not that some people won't still parattle on about free-agency or trades, but reality seems to be sinking in for most.

Some of these comments are idiotic.

Ross doesn't have to wake up with Hartline or Polites bank account.

Ross decided to do more in school than play games and bang "student athlete tutors".

How does one relate to the other?

Ross dedicated himself to an EDUCATION and hard nosed a freaking FORTUNE out of a world that takes no quarter!

But yeah, he should let a bunch of dumb jocks, led by a dumb ATTORNEY come along and DEMAND to see the books? ROTFLMAO!

.....and what planet did you wake up on today..................?

What's the difference between a "Strike" and a "Lockout"?
Both are defined by employees threating to NOT WORK until certain conditions are met.

The NFL is a different stage then say, a school teacher who is fighting for $60K a year + benefits.

Granted some Players are only on the payroll for a few years but hey, we all make choices in this world and they could have gone the school teacher route if they were seeking a long-term stable career.

IT WOULD BE GREAT TO SEE SOME OTHER BILLIONAIRS JUMP IN AND AND MAKE TEAMS AND THE PLAYERS GO THERE.

LIKE OUT OF NOWHERE THS USFL MAKES A COME BACK.

OR THEY ALL GO UP TO CANADA

JC...THERE IS ALWAYS "ARENA FOOTBALL"

ARENA FOOTBALL IS GOING TO MAKE A BIG SPLASH

Aloco,

How am I trying to have it both ways? Please explain.

PS: I'm not one of those people that come here and say I was FIRST to say this or that. I was the FIRST to predict this or that. The ONLY time I ever did that was in response to people saying nobody wanted Hennings head when we went 11-5.

Aloco, if I was one of those types of people, you can believe you me Brudda, I'd the FIRST to admit it.................

Note to Players:
If you pull the Tigers tail, you're going to lose a hand.

NO SPORT LIKE THE REAL FOOTBALL....NO TO ARENA FOOTBALL AND NO TO PLACEMENT PLAYERS AND YES TO ODIN LAST POST@ 11;49 PM .

Ross Rules, players won't negotiate, it's a fact, two NFL offers and no response from players other then lawyers.

ALoco...if "NO" to replacement players, then you just gave all the leverage back to the players.

The Owners can outlast the Players in terms of money & power and IMO, the players need to fire their lawyer, take the current deal and get back to work.

ODIN,

YOU STARTED YOUE POST @ 11;37 WITH ONE TONE AND ENDED WITH ANOTHER .......I FORGIVE YOU .

NH FINFAN

THE PLAYERS STRIKE.

THE OWNERS ARE LOCKING OUT THE PLAYERS.

THIS IS NOT ABOUT THE PLAYERS WANTING MORE MONEY.

IT's ABOUT THE OWNERS NOT WANTING THE SYSTEM THAT's IN PLACE.

EVERY YEAR THE PLAYERS GET RICHER BECAUSE THE YEAR BEFORE PLAYERS ALWAYS TRY TO OUT DO THE LAST.

BRADY GETS THIS MUCH PETON WANTS A LITTLE MORE.

NEXT YEAR VICK WANTS A LIL MORE THAN THAT.

THE OWNERS WANT TO PUT A STOP TO IT.

AND IN THE PROCESS WE HAVE TO PAY FOR IT.

You can't have a buisnees where 60% of the profit goes to the employees it is a bad buisness model. NFL Players are not like Iron Workers, Auto Workers, Police and Firefighters. These people have tough jobs crappy wages and work year round. How may police officers die in the performance of their jobs? How many NFL players die. While I agree its a sacrifice of body and mind it doesn't compare to what other unionized works go through everyday for pay they can barely get buy on. NFL player work for 7 to 9 months a year and make at least 500 thousand dollars during that time. So don't compare them to other types of unions it is insulting. And if they want to call themselves partners then they should at least agree to a 50-50 split but they dont want to lower their share.

JC...thank's for the clarity.
I agree with the owners in that NO rookie should be guaranteed $15M before he proves himself on the field with real bullets flying.

The owners are trying to preserve the game by asserting more discipline & control over the players...and they don't like it.

But let's be frank here, the players are not repressed by any means and clearly they have negotiated a pretty sweet deal that the owners are trying to put a cap on to stop the out of control salaries that are forcing us to pay $200 a ticket for entertainment.

DuMaurice Smith, on behalf of the players, seems overly content to wait out all the court rulings. After all, he is an attorney.

The problem is, court rulings take a TON of time, time we don't have.

I want to be PERFECTLY clear. I'm not making any threats. I have a life and I have children. If there is no NFL this year, we'll be just fine logging up some quality time.

Having said that, I've been to games, to the sports bars. I know about how crazy and rabid NFL fans can get. If provoked they can easily get as ugly as soccer fans-LOL!

So my advice to DuhMaurice Smith:

Invest in some Kevlar Brother!!!!

I predict that as we get closer to the start of training camp and there is still no deal...the public will begin to side with the owners. Once the players feel they've lost the fans, watch how quickly they compromise and agree to the owners new agreement.

Odin, this is beside the point of the negotiations, but dont make out all owners to self made, billionaires who made something out of nothing. Some of them are for sure, like Jerry Jones.

But how about the current generation of Mara's (NYG), or the Bidwell kid. Or Hank Steinbrenner in baseball.

There are just as many owners who were just lucky to be born into it. There will be more as the old guard (Al Davis, Ralph Wilson, ect) continues to die off

Dont tell me someone like Hank Steinbrenner had to work harder and be more committed than a "dumb jock" who lays it out there every week. It's hard work to make it to an NFL roster, and even harder to keep your job once you're there.

When you buy a team for 1.1 billion $ you are entitled to get more than the players.
As in any other jobsituation, if the players are not content earning 1,5 mill a year, they can always find themselves a new job.
There are plenty of players eager to play 18 games and make 1 mill a year. Maybe not the star-players of today, but a lot of the players of tomorrow.

THE ATLANTA FALCONS CUT THEIR EMPLOYEES PAY CHEK BY 18 PERCENT .........

THE AMPA BAY BUCCANEERS WILL SENT THEIR EMPLOYEES HOME THIS WEEKEND WITH NO PAY .

G.PLATE ...NICE POST @ 12;16 PM ............

Looks like several posters on here have become house slaves to the owners.

OREGON.... AGREED , ODIN IS BECOMING SLAVE NUMBER 2 AFTER DYING BREED .

Garbage Plate,

I apologize for using the word idiotic and then quoting your statement. I was getting a little carried away in my frustration and your post struck a nerve. My bad.

Still, just like your last post and the one before, I don't see how one relates to the other.

Sure, the players have had to work hard to get where their at. I have to work hard to pay the bills and feed my kids.

Whether or not an owners money was self made or inherited, it does not matter in the slightest. I was referring to Ross because I know the story and he is our owner. But still, how they got their money matters not.

The point is, DuhMaurice, Duh Players and the NFLPA are trying to pull these thug moves and are acting like pirates.

MOST of these dumb a s s e s can't even cut it on dancing with the stars, but they have a RIGHT to see the Billionaires books? LUDACRIS!

They have NO RIGHT or ENTITLEMENT and it AIN"T going to happen! If Jimmy Hoffa were alive today, he'd knock Duh Maurice's teeth out and raise the co-pay on his dental insurance!

ODIN,


WHAT MAKE YOU HATE THE PLAYERS SO MUCH,THEY ARE DESERVING OF EVERY PENNY ...IT'S THE SYSTEM THAT ALLOWS THAT FOR EVERY ONE TO GET PAID FOR HIS WORTH .....

Really think about it. The owners are the ones that take the amazing financial risk of owning a team. These kids/men playing in the NFL played for free in high school and college while trying to get an education. If they truly got that education they can leave the NFL and try and get jobs like the rest of us. I mean the players have some valid beefs with the risks they take on the field. But in the same breath it is the players scoffing at the rule changes to help protect them. Isnt that weird? Although the players have some points they do not have enough to say WE WONT PLAY. I find that to be complete BS. Continued talk could happen after the season starts on some of their issues. I really see the players at more fault here than the owners.

Oh BTW, you talk about the owners as if they are all financially equal. Well guess what. Some owners do this for their livlihood. So there is the equivelent in owner status of a Polite ot Hartline who is affected by this also. Keep that in mind when you talk about the owners as a whole. There is the Kory Sheets to Adrian Peterson gap with owners also.

OREGON.... AGREED , ODIN IS BECOMING SLAVE NUMBER 2 AFTER DYING BREED .

Posted by: ALoco | May 26, 2011 at 12:31 PM


Wow! Three people just called me a house slave all at the same time. Armando, Aloco and the Cuban Menace.

Well, 4 if you want to count Oregon. But unlike ARMANDO, ALOCO and the CUBAN MENACE, Oregon didn't use my name specifically.

Oregon,

you can throw around all the names you want. It doesn't change the facts that the PLAYERS are letting an attorney REFUSE to negotiate anything at all. The PLAYERS, through their attorneys are making unprecedented, unrealistic and to be quite frank, RIDICULOUS demands.

WHAT MAKE YOU HATE THE PLAYERS SO MUCH,THEY ARE DESERVING OF EVERY PENNY ...IT'S THE SYSTEM THAT ALLOWS THAT FOR EVERY ONE TO GET PAID FOR HIS WORTH .....

Posted by: ALoco | May 26, 2011 at 12:34 PM


Albert Haynesworth!

Nuff said-NEXT!!!!

PLAYERS PLAY FOOTBALL FOR THE LOVE OF THE GAME BUT THEY ALSO WANT TO GET RICH.

OWNERS ARE RICH AND OWN FOOTBALL TEAMS TO GET RICHER.

THE DIFFERENCE IS MOST FOOTBALL PLAYERS KNOW WHAT IT IS TO BE POOR.

AND THEY FIGHT TO STAY THAT WAY.

OWNERS JUST WANT TO KEEP UP WITH THE AL DAVISES AND THE JERRY JONESES

On a side note, have the NFL players looked at what NHL players are getting for risking their life per game? I mean things could be a lot worse.

Again, not siding with the owners 100% here... but...

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