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Ross raises serious questions in USA Today

The NFL spring meeting adjourned in Indianapolis on Wednesday but before he left town, Dolphins owner Stephen Ross talked to USA Today and addressed Miami's cost-cutting measures.

Look, the cost-cutting measure are what they are. Big business in America is hurting and it is taking measures to protect itself. So are local and state governments for that matter. It is a sad fact of life in today's bad economy and employees, such as those working for the Dolphins or Miami Herald for that matter, are always free to go work elsewhere if they are disgruntled about cost-cutting measures.

That said, the USA Today interview with Ross is eyebrow-raising for a couple of reasons.

First: Ross shows hints of a person suffering from buyer's remorse.

"The emotions of wanting to own a team were greater than the fact that this might be coming," Ross said of his purchase despite the looming lockout that everyone knew was coming. "You always figured that something like this, you know, it's going to get resolved. It's a question of when. Hopefully it will be sooner rather than later."

Ross paid $1.1 billion for the Dolphins in 2008-2009 and that investment dropped in value almost immediately as the economy tanked, particularly the real estate economy in South Florida. He's mentioned how that wasn't a great investment short-term. Wednesday, he mentioned how the work stoppage is not a great time to be an owner.

"Who the hell wants to own a team and not play?" he said. "It's about having a system that works. It's not about a bunch of greedy owners. It's a bunch of players looking to see how much they can really get."

And that leads me to troubling issue No. 2.

Ross doesn't call the NFL players greedy outright. But he implies the problem with getting a new collective bargaining agreement is, again, "a bunch of players looking to see how much they can really get."

Isn't that another way to say greedy?

Ross, who deals often with unions as a New York city businessman, is careful not to alienate them. But he's not quite as careful about alienating the players because apparently he doesn't equate their union with labor unions.

"We negotiate with unions all the time, and there are issues there," Ross said. "But they're not the same types of issues. When you're dealing with guys earning over $1 million a year — the average salary is, what, $1.87 million? — you're not talking about the same kind of labor issues. Are these really labor issues? These are not labor issues.

"There should be no sympathy in the labor movement in America for these ballplayers. It's a different deal."

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JUSTIN IS THE SMARTEST BLOGGER TODAY, HE STATING THE FACTS .

If you took a silent poll of the players vs the ones that represent the union, I think you would find out most players really don't care so much, they just want to play.

That is the problem with these negotiations.

YOU GUYS WHO ARE SIDING WITH THE OWNERS:

THE OWNERS ARE GOING TO MAKE MONEY REGADLESS OF FOOTBALL OR NOT.

THEY ALL HAVE OTHER MEANS OF INCOME AND THEY ARE WINNING ALL THE WAY AROUND.

THEY DON'T CARE ABOUT IT AS MUCH AS WE DO OR THE PLAYERS.

ROSS BROUGHT THE DOLPHINS FOE 1.1 BILLION.

I'M SURE HE HAS ANOTHER 5 BILLION SOMEWHERE. AND HE'S NOT EVEN THE RICHEST OWNER.

THE PLAYERS ARE MORE HUGRY THAN THE OWNERS. EVEN THOUGH NON OF THEM ARE STARVING.

IF THE OWNERS NOT MAKING MONEY WHY NOT SHOW THE BOOKS.

WHY ARE THEY HIDING THE TRUTH.

YOU WERE ALL CAUGHT UP WHAT WENT ON IN BRANDON MARSHALL'S HOME WHY NOT TAKE A STAND WITH THIS.

Another thing, for those of you that don't know.

The 18 game season "PROPOSAL" was a caveat by the networks to seal the deal on the guaranteed TV money.

Goodell agreed to "PROPOSE(and push for)" an 18 game season to placate the networks.

At this point, it has been reduced to nothing more than a bargaining chip. Which, when dealing with these greedy pirates(DuhMaurice Smith) I don't blame them for using every means of leverage necessary!

Goodell is a sleazeball, but he's "required" to serve the best interests of the NFL.

CORNERS:

WE ALSO MAKE A PLAYERS INCOME PUBLIC WHY NOT THE OWNERS.

I am happy to see that many of you are realizing what I stated about a month ago or so. In what business can the employees see the owners books? Playing football is like smoking cigarettes...everyone KNOWS that it can be harmful to your health, yet choose to do so. There needs to be limits set for pay and quit paying absurd money for playing a game. The owners could save money from paying players so much and than the money saved could go towards taking care of players after football. I chose to serve in the military and I am 70% disabled making less than $10,000 a year. I HAVE NO REGRETS and I am not asking for anyone to feel sorry for me. Everyone in life has choices...if you are dumb than you will make dumb choices. I saved and am a thousandaire (low thousands...LOL). Planning should be instilled in every player...not teach them as much as do it for them. Its like a bunch of damn children and I, for one, am tired of hearing it. Bring in the players willing to participate in a game for pay and the rest can stay in school and work elsewhere. What a novel idea! LET US FANS LOCK OUT AND GO ON STRIKE! Lets start the movement here! Any comments?

Justin... the problem with your comment, is for whatever reason, these owners EARNED that right, by working hard to get that money. Or someone in their family did. It is not fair to hold that over their heads.

You make it sound like these players are playing for minimum wage. They are making far more as an average than NHL players who ply a ton more games ina equally dangerous sport.

I mean, I agree that owners are rich, but you make is sound like because they are so rich they should just conceed to ever demand. That is crazy...

Do you work? If so, who is your Boss, and who is your CEO, should they just listed to everything you say? that is my point here.

This is not a personal attack at you, but I think some of this gets lost.

Justin,

You're barking up the wrong tree.

The owners NEVER claimed to be losing money. Though some, like Ross, INITIALLY do.

That's not the problem. The first thing is Free Enterprise. You, me and the owners too have a right to make as much money as we possibly can. We don't have to report to ANYONE save for the IRS.

Please don't bring up welfare, credit cards, loans, banks, etc, etc. Because those are agreements that people enter into.

The problem is that the costs to operate are spiraling every year at an enormous rate.

Would you be happy paying Albert Haynesworth a 100 million dollars to perform like he has, only to turn around and have to pay a rookie another 100 million before he even steps on the field?

Tell the truth....................

ODIN,

IF YOU BRING HAYENESWORTH EXAMPLE ...ANSWER THAT Q FOR ME FRIEND .............. HOW WOULD YOU LIKE AL DAVIS MAKING 300 MILLION A YEAR WITH HIS PERFORMANCE ????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????


PS........IF YOU APPLY IT TO THE PLAYERS,YOU SHOULD APPLY IT TO THE OWNERS ......

POIZEN:

I DON'T CARE HOW THEY BECAME RICH OR HOW THEY CHOOSE TO SPEND THEY'RE MONEY.

MY POINT IS THE WAY THE SYSTEM IS THEY WANTED IT.

THEY VOTED IT IN.

NOW THAT THEY FEEL IT'S GOTTEN OUT OF CONTROL THEY DON'T WANT IT ANYMORE.

LET'S NOT FORGET

(THE PLAYERS ARE LOCKED OUT BY THE OWNERS)

THE OWNERS ARE SAYING THEY ARE LOSING MONEY.

BUT THEY ARE NOT WILLING TO PROVE IT.

NOW MY QUESTION TO YOU IS DO YOU WORK?

WHAT IF YOU WERE AT A COMPANY DOING THE SAME THING FOR YEARS AND ONE DAY THEY SAY FOR NO REASON THAT YOU HAD TO TAKE A PAY CUT EVEN THOUGH YOU WERE PROMISED A CERTAIN AMOUNT.

HOWEVER THE COMPANY MADE MORE IN PROFITS THAN IN ANY YEAR PRIOR.

IM NOT SAYING THEY DON'T HAVE A RIGHT BUT I'M SAYING IT'S WRONG.


Aloco, I see your point I really do toward Odins comments.

But if Al Davis did not take alkl the risks early on, there would not be a team to have the performance. In the 60's and 70's the NFL could have easily failed causing bankrupcy vs what we have today.

Al Davis was a part of that huge risk to get where we are today. Jamarcus Russel wasn't.

Odin,

it is not just you. Many on here are all owner sympathy all the time seemingly.

I recall the players being locked out and the owners reneging on a contract.

And have you seen what this game does to players? How much is Lue Ga rigs disease worth?

Or have you ever seen Tracy Armstrongs fingers?

I understand how the players became the villains in this, I just do not agree with it.

You have a corporate media with an overt anti-union bent and for the most part is anti player, pro owner in the presentation of 'news'.

The same holds true on most labor issues. Again no big surprise. How you seen a wealth distribution chart lately?

Owners hold all the leverage in our society by the vary nature of our oligarchy.

People do not understand the history of labor in this country as it has been scrubbed from the history books.

I urge everyone to better understand the history of labor in America. Just dont go to Faux news for the story because you will be lied to.

Unions virtually created the middle class in this country. In the last 30 years unions have been actively demonized and now a days the middle class is nearly gone. Coincidence?

You are of course entitled to your opinion, thats what makes America great, I just do not agree with it.

The players make the game not the owners. Let the owners present football without Petterson, the Mannings, Brady and all the elite players.
If they try to do that then we will be seeing the killing of the golden goose.


ODIN:

FREE ENTERPRISE AS YOU PUT IT RIGHT.

NOBODY MADE ANYBODY PAY 100 MILLION DOLLARS FOR ANYBODY THAT WAS THEY'RE CHOICE.

THE PLAYERS TOOK ADVANTAGE OF FREE ENTERPRISE.

THE OWNERS WERE IN COMPETEION WITH EACH OTHER. SO SALARIES WENT UP AND UP.

THIS IS THEIR DOING NOT THE PLAYERS.

PS........IF YOU APPLY IT TO THE PLAYERS,YOU SHOULD APPLY IT TO THE OWNERS ......

Posted by: ALoco | May 26, 2011 at 01:10 PM


Come on now. I know you CLAIM to work and pay for everybody's welfare and unemployment.

BUT...........

This post right here makes me suspect you've never worked a day in your life.

Al Davis is the BOSS. He's not being paid to perform. He's paying PLAYERS to perform. See, HE EMPLOYER-Player EMPLOYEE!

If the product Al Davis presents to the public is inferior, so to will his profit margin be.

There's a supply and demand concept in here that you seem to be totally missing and misplacing.

POIZEN,

GOOD POST ,A Q FOR YOU ....WHO WOULD RATHER HAVE YOU MONEY , THE PLAYER WHO SUPPLY THE FUN FOR GAME OR AL DAVIS ?


PS...IT'S OUR MONEY AFTER ALL AND HOW COME WE HAVE NO SAY IN THE MATTER ?

WHO WOULD YOU RATER HAVE YOUR MONEY ?

Oregon, you hit on the one thing the players are fighting for that I 100% agree with. That is why I can not support the owners 100%. But I wish that was the primary concern of the strike. It seems that is the public shown concern for support, but there is far more they are asking for that is just nit picky, and that is holding this up more than anything.

Justin. I do work, For a Blue chip Insurance company as an internal wholesaler. My comp is part salary part sales based on how hard I work.

My salary varies from the target, which means if something beyond my control like tornados hit my part of the country... true story... and people can not sell then I get paid less than the target.

Are the tornado's my fault, no. Is it fair I get screwed? no. But it happens.

Like I said, no personal attack on you, I hear what your saying, and I am not dismissing it. But the guy who took all the risks, or that is in line with the people who took all the risks to get us to this point is the person that should make the most profits. Most people in the nfl are not taking pay cuts.

Aloco/Salugerg....how many people are you....

and what happened to WTF.com from the last blog......

ODIN,

AL DAVIS IS A LUCKY MAN TO LIVE AND OWN A FOOTBALL TEAM WHEN THE TV MONEY EXPLODED ...IF HE WAS NOT THE OWNER ,ANOTHER DONKEY WOULD BE .......WHY AN OWNER SHOULD MAKE ALL OF OUR MONEY WHILE THE PLAYERS JUST WATCH ?


PS...PLEASE DON'T BRING THE SUPPLY AND DEMAND CRAP ,IT'S NOT ABOUT THAT .

Justin,

I agree. Good point.

The thing is, the players got the favorable deal with the last CBA.

With world affairs and the resulting economic crises, times come to pay your due.

The players have been getting MORE than a fair share for quite some time. Now it's time to tighten it up some.

The players are strill going to get their ungodly contracts. It's just the increase rate will be reeled in for the good of both sides!

ODIN,,

THE WORD OWNER SHOULD BE AN HONOR AND NOT A CHANCE TO STEAL ,IT SHOULD BE A GOOD THING AND NOT A CHANCE TO RIP PEOPLE OFF .AN OWNER SHOULD BE HELPING OTHERS NOT CUTTING YOU THROUT .

POIZEN:

BUT IT'S THE PLAYERS WHOS TAKEN THAT RISK.

MAYBE IN THE BEGINING THE OWNERS DID BUT NOT NOW.

IF POUNCEY SIGN HIS DEAL TODAY AND DIED IN THE FIRST GAME THEN WHAT?

Aloco, It is a loaded question, but I will give you your smile.

I would rather Chad Henne, Ronnie Brown, Devonne Bess and Karlos Dansby having my money. :)

POIZEN,


YES INDEED ....I WOULD RATHER MY MONEY GOING TO WAKE,HENNE (( 600,000)) A YEAR GUY AND V.DAVIS .

Aloco,

Is Dansby just watching with his 50 million?

Is Marshall with his 50 million?

How about Brady and the Mannings?

Add in Albert Haynesworth and were talking HALF A FREAKING BILLION DOLLARS RIGHT THERE!!!!

But yeah, these poor broke a s s d i c k s, they not only NEED MORE, MORE, MORE, they DESERVE MORE, MORE,MORE!

You got TA come better-in dat Bro!

It's all about the lawyers!

Lawyers convinced the owners to put the lock-out clauses in the TV contracts. Lawyers convinced the owners that they could take 2 billion dollars off of the top of revenue. Lawyers convinced them they could lobby for an 18 game schedule. Lawyers convinced them that they could win if it came down to a court battle. And, it was lawyers who made the players believe that they could win in the courts and keep, or make more, money in the next CBA

The lawyers win no matter what happens! They make money if this thing gets settled tomorrow. Or, if it takes months and months in the courts.

ODIN,

DO YOU HAVE DYING BREED'S SOUL TALKING OVER YOU ?


WITHOUT THESE PLAYERS YOU WOULD NOT HAVE THE NFL YOU HAVE TODAY ,UNLESS YOU RATHER HAVE AL DAVIS PLAYING INSTED OF BRADY .

PS..IT'S OUR MONEY ODIN NOT THE OWNERS MONEY .WHEN WE PAT THE CABLE COMPANY EVERY MONTH 160 DOLLARS ,SOME OF IT GO THE OWNERS TO PAY THE PLAYERS .

I should have been a Lawyer!

But, breaking the Law was allot more fun. I guess it came down to a quality of life decision.

Time for a drink!

Bottom's Up!!!!

ODIN,

GREAT TALKING TO YOU AS ALWAYS ....WORK CALLING..LATER .

We watch the players not the owners..the players are taking all the risks..football in this day is a 11month job..not 6..2me the players are worth all the money they get..if an owner net profit is 500mil a year the players are worth @ least 20% of that??..do the math!!

ODIN,

DO YOU HAVE DYING BREED'S SOUL TALKING OVER YOU ?

-I am the ALMIGHTY ODIN! I nurture souls until which time I choose to feast!


WITHOUT THESE PLAYERS YOU WOULD NOT HAVE THE NFL YOU HAVE TODAY

-Todays NFL isn't going to have a season. So yeah, you can take all these spoiled rotten greedy players and stick em where the sun don't shine!

,UNLESS YOU RATHER HAVE AL DAVIS PLAYING INSTED OF BRADY .

-I'd rather kick it with Al Davis at my favorite watering hole than hang out with Tom Brady in the rainbow room. If you know what I mean.........

PS..IT'S OUR MONEY ODIN NOT THE OWNERS MONEY

-It is not our money, where do you get this crap. The minute you pay the clerk for that tube of glue, IT'S THEIR MONEY-PERIOD!


.WHEN WE PAT THE CABLE COMPANY EVERY MONTH 160 DOLLARS ,SOME OF IT GO THE OWNERS TO PAY THE PLAYERS .

-160.00 bucks, Phissst! I can hook you up WAY cheaper DAWG!

Posted by: ALoco | May 26, 2011 at 01:38 PM


tbone, I want to agree that the players are taking ALL the risks and deserve the money,

However Firemen, Police officers, Our soldiers over seas. Take more risks for a more honorable living. They are not making close the the $$ that these players are making.

They are being run by organizations with more money than every owner in the country.

Again, I really think we are missing the point here. The players do take big risks, however they are getting big rewards.

I still agree that the NFL owners need a better plan for injured/retired players. but that is about the only thing I think holds merit.

the truth is the hold up is on more of the little things that players truly do not have right to, should they ask, YES, should they fidht YES. should they stop playing over those things? HELL NO.


I know there is always talk coming out of Fins Camp about the need for flex players (can play multiple positions) but I think this is more Ireland`s philosophy than anything to do with Sparano frankly, Tony just tells you what he feel sounds smart and has seen work countless times for Belichik. If you look at his short History as a Coach you can`t help but notice he never makes position swithes with these flex guys even when it`s obvious to us sitting in our living rooms sometimes. His supposed coaching strength the O-Line is a perfect example.

The more I watch him putting those Lines together and there over-all execution at times thru his entire tenure gets me thinking that the O-Line in Dallas succeeded when he was there more out of there shear talent than anything related to his coaching prowess. When you analyze that he had Big Flozelle, Leonard Davis, Gurode, Kosier and Columbo on that line, all Pro Bowl players at one point and in the Prime of there Careers when he had them and you begin to get a better picture of what I`m saying, they may have been 5 years ago with the exception of the O-Line the G-Men had the very best in all of Football.

Think for a minunte about this and then youtube John Jerry his Sr. Season at Miss St. and you`ll notice he played RT against some top SEC talent at a pretty high level. If I were coaching the team I`d plug him in there this Season and let Garner fight it out with Carey at RG his natural position from College. I think Garner being younger and remembering the Thurs. night game he had vs. Carolina in 09 beats him out then you cut Carey and free up the 4.5 Million Cap # of his.

I would then take the Guard who plays Center that we drafted and move him back to LG were he and Long could be special while taking the converted Center we have at LG and moving him back. I believe these moves make the most sense with what we have moving foward being that there all "flex players" while freeing up 4.5 to try and entice a RB, ILB or DT in FA when it gets going but I doubt Sparano has the creativity to figure it out.

We don't care if it is the Owners, the Players or the League. This situation must be resolved by, at the latest, August 1, 2011.

Poizen ..I'm a longshoreman on the westcoast & take plenty of risks on my job..since 2002 we have lost 35 brothers & sisters..the players put their bodies thru rigors most of us wouldn't be willing 2do..you watch the games yell@the tv &say I coulda made that play..I do it all the time.but truth b told I wouldn't want to be hit by a 275lbs man runnin full speed@me once a day more or less 100times a day..I agree football needs 2b played but the owners are wealthy beyond urs or my imagination..for most owners this is their 2nd or 3rd business..when's enough enough??pay the players!!

The real issue is that our women have put into office a promised Marxist(Anti-Christ) takeover of our government("fundamental transformation of our government, remember) and spend more money than America had spent in it's total history? Also, the 60's have come home to roast and our retirement has already been spent before we got it by our politicians, I'm postive! While it's true that American's have a relative lavish life-style, nothing compared to that our politicians have stolen from u.s.! No? Watch!

Let's also not forget the average football players career is 3years..they need to get paid..where as you or I in our careers will be there 25/30years

It's all about greed. Greed on the part of the owners and players alike. Granted not everyone can play at this level and frankly $12-20 bucks on a beer? I say Ross is an idiot. Two wrongs don't make a right, but some people never have enough when it comes to money and errr mr. Ross youve got more than enough.

If anyone is greedy here its the players. Ross has worked hard to be able to buy an NFL franchize and our capitalistic system should allow him to run it how he wants. If the players don't like what they get paid they can always go bag groceries. There will always be other player ready to fill in their shoes.

Fin4life,

I like your O-line assessment. We have blogged on this before and are in agreement. I'd like to see Pouncey at LG and Incognito at C. Pulling LG problem solved. As is it is still an issue.

What has Sparano done? I dont think he is a very good coach in general and I have been completely unimpressed with him in every respect.

I scream at the tv with every post FG fist pump.

If I were a player I'd be pissed to see him all stoked about the FG. FG's are failure and = losing. But Mr. FG loves em.

I wonder about your assessment Carey though. I recall that Jerrys technique was inadequate at G, which is a protected position on the line.

The Tackle position is sort of on an island and the pro rushers make guys with poor technique look bad while blowing up QB's.

Carey is a veteran and respected. Carey is on the downside of his career yet I bet he is still the best guy Sparano has to play RT.

I'd like to see the Dolphins use a high pick on a RT though. Perhaps next year.

tbone. The thing is, Football is a sport, these kids went to school, almost all from college, where if they took it seriously can get a job like you or i if they are not crippled. They are not helpless humans unless they put themselves in that situation. Or in the valid argument they became crippled from a big hit or something. And that is where I AGREE with the players. An injured player or retired vet who can not function like a normal human should have more support from the owners.

But I will say it again, that is not where the owners have the hang up. Not by a long shot. it is all the petty crap they are talking about. If that was the #1 issue i am on the players side all day. But truth be told it is a million here a million there, not after NFL benefits that they are talking about.

Most players that leave the NFL is because they were not good enough, so if you have an education like you had the opportunity to get, go get a job.

...Good debate today. I am definitley on the side of the players. No doubt about this one. Do not compare the nfl and the way the profits are split, to a regular buisness. Of course a regular everyday buisness could not survive if they paid their employees half of the profit. But the circumstances these clubs are run are a completely different model, then that of say a steel mill, or a factory.

The NFL is a unique enterprise. Other then soccer, no other sport is devoured by it's fans quite like football. It is a 365 day a year franchise. They have done a great job overloading the fanbase with information, marketing, and the overall product that people cannot get enough. The commodity is the players, and the owners know it. Without these elite atheletes. This juggernaught that is the NFL would be worthless. As the most watched sport in this country, go ahead and replace these guys. See what happens. Do not fool yourselves to think that the public would settle for a second hand product just because these replacements are dawning the colors...If you want to see second hand pro football watch the UFL...Tell me what great TV that makes.

The players are the product that move the meter. Sure the aqua and orange will be around for much longer then say Cameron Wake. But Wake is a reason for people to tune in, buy his jersey. He is a part of the NFL experience, these owners have cleaverly sold.

Do, not compare the NFL employee to the regular working joe. Is it fair that a firefighter that saves lives gets paid less then a guy who plays a sport? Absolutley not. But there is no demand for miliions of people to watch guys put out fires on TV. The Firefighters don't sell billion dollar television deals, or million dollar merchandising contracts to really run around risking their health as walking bilboards in essance for the teams, and owners who make all the profit from said merchandising. The sad state of affairs is that ballplayers, actors, oilmen.. All make to much money. But it is simple suply and demand...If you hate the players, or think they are greedy. Stop ingesting the product.

Poizen,

You are blaming this on the players I see.

And add that 'it is all the petty crap they are talking about'

What do you mean by this?


Oregon, you got me all wrong, I am not blaming it ALL on the players.

I do however agree with the act that the owners have been more than fair to the players that get paid to play the sport. None of them cry poverty when on an NFL team. If they bought Honda's instead of 500K cars and stuff, and modest house instead of 5 million mansions, their monry would last longer.

However, I did say that the retired players and injusred players are left hanging. and if that was the #1 thing beign debated by the players I would be on their side,

The revenue sharing they are looking for or arguing over that 9 million or billion what ever it is is to supplement guarenteed money for current playing players and to adjust those salaries. Not all going to the retired/injured players who can not function.

I think both sides have points. but I do not think the owners are holding so much back that the players are suffering so bad to not play the game. I think the players are not truly being represented either. A lot of players want to go out and play and make a deal but their union officials are not doing that.

Everytime I hear Ross cry poverty I remember the Marlins and the ride they took the City of Miami for in the shape of Jeffrey Loria and Dave Sampson. It was later proven the Marlins were making alot of money but the Stadium they have going up at the old Orange Bowl sight was already under construction. I remember it occuring to me that in the NFL an owner couldn`t get away with that considering revenue sharing until I saw we were one of 2 teams who supposedly lost money (7 Million in 2010)?

I immediatly took it for code that the Fins new owner wanted Stadium money.In a league with revenue sharing composed of owners unanimously working together to insure the league`s prosperity this wouldn`t be possible given the large sums paid by TV money. I think Ross for all the talk of his being the 2nd richest owners in the league is cash strapped and he doesn`t know how to keep it a float now. His buying our team is the worst without a single doubt thing to happen to the Dolphins franchise ever.

Darryl, The only reason the comparison comes up is because none of us function in the ?NFL atmosphere, it is what we relate to,.. but i see your point.

The fundamental issue in this entire debate is whether or not NFL players are EMPLOYEES or PARTNERS in the NFL.

The NFLPA wants to have it both ways. When it comes to demanding a cut of league revenue / opening the books etc they talk the language of being PARTNERS in the NFL.

Yet whenever it suits them to play the victim card in public they revert to portraying themselves as defenceless EMPLOYEES who are being locked out by 'the man'.

Now I'm not without sympathy for the players. For instance, the is no question question the current labour strife was triggered by the OWNERS tearing up the last CBA. The owners may be right in saying it is a terrible deal -- but outside of Mike Brown and Ralph Wilson they all signed on to it.

However, now that we are in this situation, the level of duplicity from De Smithth and the players is off the charts.

The simple truth of the NFL remains this. Ultimately -- every penny of equity in the league either directly or indirectly derrives from the league's monopoly over viewership of NFL games (completely dependent on the players). But it is the owners who assume 100% of the risk.

For the good of the game -- the next CBA needs to make it clear whether the NFL/playres is a partner/partner, or employer/employee relationship. The NFLPA cannot have it both ways.

...Again my post @ 2:30 is just my opinion. Most of you that post here know that I own a bar/restaraunt.. I look at this situation, like I do my own. Not in the sense that I have a billion dollar industry, or that I have greedy employees that are trying to gouge me. Just the opposite.

I am proud that I am the largest employer in town. That I have had employees that have worked for me 6 years, 5 years. A group that has been employed 4. This is remarkable for a restaraunt/bar. as the turnover rate can be staggering. I have a different mindset. It may not work for everyone, but for me it is my model. I choose to take care of these people because I realize they are my livelyhood. They are the people that are there everyday looking out for my best interest. I see that they are compensated, realizing that without them what would my buisness be? That is why I will always take the side of the worker.

Sure as the owner, it is my neck, my dollar. But as far as the product, and why people come, and why the buisness has thrived even in this economy... It is the workers.

Darryl, congrats. Are you in the Miami area? Where is your buiness, just curious, no loaded point following. :)

Qlueless " hourly wage slaves" and thats what you will allways be if you agree with the players on this one.

Alienate the players? Really. Mondo, I see by this piece, that your in the players pockets. You and others (players) need to listen to Ross very carefully. He stated months ago there will be no football untill the NFL business model is fixed,,,,fixed. A football player, in the NFl, making 5 mill a yr is unbelievable. And bonus are guarenteed? Most people in this country will never see that much money. The players should be running to sign the CBA, but no they want to be partners without a partners risk. They want the cake and eat it to and thats where we are today. The courts will drag out this out for months and regardless if the players win, the owners will close the doors. Not a lockout. Close the doors and wait till the players get real, or release all players and start over. You can blame the owners all you want, but at the end of the day, they own the teams to do with them what they want.
The NFLPA* is committing football suicide.
There will be no 2011 season.

Darryl, kind of a catch 22 here with your final point. I am addicted to the product so I can not stop ingesting, and I am mad at the players union for not negotiating and fixing it so my product is here for 2011. :)

Poizen,

I still do not understand what 'little things' the players are insisting on that are supposedly derailing this negotiation?

You never mentioned those.

But as to what you did mention.

The owners have been fair?

by reneging on a contract and locking players out?
By trying to set it up to get the tv money to pad their pockets while starving the players into a new contract? By claiming poverty and refusing to show the books. 'Trust us we need a billion off the top'.

Cut throat and typical behavior from 'owners', but fair? I dont think so.

..Gary Stevens. Great post. I have one question. Didn't the Minneapolis judge that ruled against the owners in the television revenue case rule that the teams were seperate enteties. And that the league was not a partnership of the 32 teams, but a group of individual teams that under the collective barganing agreement choose to share the revenue evenly among each franchise? In essance saying that the players were employees of each team individualy, not collectively?

I could be understanding this ruling wrong, and I think that you are a lawyer. So Am I wrong in thinking that that would mean the players are not a partership with the owners?

If the players don't like the way the owners are doing things, all they have to do is go start their own league.

Why don't do they do it?

They do not want to take the financial risks the owners take. So they don't want to take those risks, but are telling the owners they should incur more risks like build stadiums and operate in a bad economy while also paying players a record amount of the revenue?

I don't think so.

Personally I think they need to reduce player salaries to about $100,000. No way should a football player make more than the President of The United States. The owners should be tickled with a million dollars in profit. This allows a rebate to the television people and tickets brought down to about ten bucks each. This way an average family could go to a game.

Oregon,

Yes Jerry fell short at RG last season but it was due in some measure to his bad work ethic as it`s said he lacked the upper body strength to deal in the NFL with interior D-Line players who usually are some of the sronger players on the team. I simply ask you to Youtube Jerry in his Sr. year at Miss St. playing RT and watch his foot speed in dealing with the outside rush. It looks as if though he can play it at the next level and we need to start thinking how to free up cash for FA when it gets going given we have 33 Million tied up this year in Dansby, Marshall and Long alone.

Poizen..Thanks, I know there was no malice in your post. I appreciate the shout..Small town Montana.. Actually gotta go have a meeting. Would love to get back to this topic in a bit...Good stuff today fellas. Both sides have good points. I think we all can agree that w just want this settled so we can have some football.

I was reading that some of you want replacement players . Sorry will not happen. The players were locked out which means the owners cannot get replacement players unless they unlock the door. They used replacement players during the strike not a lockout.

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