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Scout loves AFC East draft work (except for Fins)

More draft grades coming your way. Normally, I give you mine (if you force me) and move on. But I want to share with you today the AFC East draft grades put out recently by Dave Razzano.

Why Razzano? He's got the credibility of having 22 years of scouting experience with the San Francisco 49ers, St. Louis Rams and Arizona Cardinals. He was around for five Super Bowls and three Super Bowl wins with those teams. So again, he has that credibility guys such as Mel Kiper and others (me included) do not have.

Razzano is not a big fan of the Dolphins draft. On his blog he gave the Dolphins' draft a D. It was one of five D grades Razzano passed out, with Miami joining Detroit, Atlanta, Carolina, Seattle. Razzano did not give out any Fs so, basically, the Dolphins got the lowest grade he gave out.

"OC Mike Pouncey is solid but the Dolphins still lack a quality QB," Razzano wrote. "The next two picks of RB Dan Thomas and WO Edmond Gates look like back-up types.  Late round DC Jimmy Wilson will contribute early on special teams."

That's tough. It gets tougher considering Razzano apparently liked the work Buffalo, New York and New England did.

He gave the Patriots an A. He gave the Bills a B. He gave the stinkin' Jets a B.

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Just the facts eh Armando......concise and to the point....I like it....

The best part is that many will dicount this "expert" to instead site their own "experts".....in my opinion all experts are FOS....

We don't want to believe him, but deep down we know he's right. Hands down the worst draft by this regime. It had "please let me keep my job" written all over it. Btw I lobbied for Mallett all offseason and you guys said it would be a bad move. Looks who's got him now. Just sayin.

Hmmmmmmmmmm......... Razanno, "FORMER" scout. Lets mull over that for a moment.

BTW, Armando exactly who was he personally responsible for bringing into those SB teams that he can personally take credit for?

Let's see: "How far away is "scout" from meaning "GM" of any of those teams?"

Hmmm.......... "Does being "waterboy" for a SB team mean you were an expert waterboy?"

Wonder how many Dolphin games did he watch, practices he ran for us, or team meetings he sat in on with us. Boy he really sounds like an expert of our team needs to me.

Armando, you're just far to gullible my man.

Grades don't matter right now. How does anyone know if Edmund Gates is good or bad? He could be a backup or what if he turns out to be like Mike Wallace?

Nobody knows.

Well lets see, Montana was a 3rd rd pick, Young was acquired from the Buc, Rams was a wild card contender at best till Trent Green got injured and Warner (a Arena football player/European National Football League player) got his shot and then AZ was in the basement till Warner got there then they went back to the basement after he left. I guess it is better to be lucky then it is to be good.

BTW Armando,

This clown gave the Detroit Lions a D grade?

Wow, everyone else were giving the Lions anywhere from an A to a B+ grade on thier draft. He's also the only one I know of giving Belichik an A on that lame-ass draft he conducted.

Really Armando, really? Where the hell did this Barnum and Bailey castoff come from. LOL...........

Seems so many willing to give Belichik far more credit than he really deserves. Not wishing any ill will on Tom Brady, but if he fell off the ends of this earth tomorrow. The Pats would be a wildcard playoff contender at best.

Lets be honest guys, this isn't a team going to the SB this season, why waste picks on so so stop gaps who will keep us around 8-8, give henne one last year, keep building our core then put a young guy in there next year with a great spring cast. As much as I hate the jets, it's worked pretty well for them

it's fashionable to give the dolphins bad grades.

i mean, draft gurus don't want to be accused of grade inflation, so why not give the dolphins the D?

The Phins need some BIG MOVES in FA...I like Bradshaw or Williams for RB...plus a vet QB to push Henne...I cant see a CLEAR UPGRADE available at QB this year so its a wait and see year....I would also get some backup help at safety...I saw Yeremiah starting to struggle a bit last year...whats Culver upto?...when do we finally decide if he can play at STARTER level....????

Razzano is right, it is what it is! But they may surprise! I'd say a C!

Terrrrrrrrrrrrrrible draft hands down worst draft I've been aroound 50years.this regime could do any worst.

By the way armando we all know you are gay

Mando is an undercover gay jets fan

Ive just read Razzanos Blog...it makes a lot of sense...after reading it I think we could have done a fair bit better with this draft...there were TONS of "better" players available when we actually picked....We did not stick to the GOLDEN rule of pick BEST PLAYER available on the board....we picked for NEED...this could be a critical ERROR....lets see

Can we have at least a Mini Camp before we kill this draft ?? I personally wanted an Online help, got it, never heard of the other player, but welcome show us what U got.. Love the Wilson Story, Btwn him and Rashad Jones our special teams are going to be Killers. ha ha

He also says the redskins will be fine
with John Beck at QB and that he liked him coming out of college...nuff said.

so basically he hated our draft because we didn't reach for a qb in the first round?? thomas ran about the same time as the top RB but waas had a full round later and in 2 seasons averaged 1425 and 15 td and is a good receiver out of the backfield. we got the fastest guy in the draft!! who was productive. we got a versatile TE/HB. a hulk of a NT that yes will most likely start on the PS but if he learns how to use that big frame can be a monster.

I have to agree for the most part, I'm really not impressed with Ireland and Company's picks. There were plenty of "playmakers" available when we picked and Ireland once again went bargain basement with somewhat safe acorn picks...by the way guys and gals... I can't stand Ireland's "acorn" word that he uses..he's killing my beloved dolphins!!!!

Draft grades right now aren't worth the paper they are written on.

Nothing but some schmo trying to make some money with their "expert" opinions.. If this guy, or any other so-called expert where that knowledgeable, they'd be working for some team at the moment. Instead, this guy is trying to make money on the outside with his opinions.

Spare me the BS.. Come back in 3-5 years and we can discuss how good/bad this draft was... Anything else is worthless stupidity.

Jaison... I don't think he meant us reaching for a QB... He meant we didn't get iediate playmakers like Patrick Peterson, Ingram, ect... Now before you jump me here, I completely understand no one knows who will transition into the NFL better than other guys but darnit...other teams took chances, once again we didnt

Miami fans bitched when the Dolphins drafted Dan Marino and have never stopped since. Former scouts have no clue about players, they don't have the coach film, injury reports or talk to everyone NFL teams do. Mel Kiper
has more info then them. I'd also not be proud to announce I was a scout for the rams or cardinals. They both stunk bigtime while he was scouting for them.

Hey Jay...you are right about the 3-5 year thing... So I ask you this, how's our draftees from 3-5 years ago working out now??? Not so much bro, not so much. This current FO is just as bad as other recent FO's

He's an idiot if he thinks Detroit's draft was a D and the patriots an A He's basically on crack

Armando,

YOU LIED! RAZANNO DID NOT GIVE THE PATS AN A GRADE. HE GAVE THEM A B GRADE,

YOU DIDNT POST A LINK AND DIDNT THINK ANYONE HERE WOULD FIND OUT.

ALSO RAZZANO SAID HE GAVE US A D GRADE BECAUSE HE WASNT A FAN OF ANY TEAM DRAFTING OFFENSE EARLY AND HE ALSO THINKS WE NEED UPGRADES ON DEFENSE. YOU LEFT OUT DETAILS TO MAKE YOUR STORY LOOK BETTER AND FLAT OUT LIED ABOUT HIM GIVING THE PATS AN a GRADE.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/689762-video-watch-the-2011-nfl-draft-grades-for-the-afc-conference

Why do you think we are mid-pack mediocre now? Same crap different regime... Seriously I have been a Miami fan since my
Pops made me one when i was in diapers... We suck now, real bad...and it kills me to say that

ARMANDO FLAT OUT LIED ABOUT THE PATS GETTING AN A GRADE. LISTEN FOR YOURSELVES:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/689762-video-watch-the-2011-nfl-draft-grades-for-the-afc-conference

COWKILLA PASTE THIS LINK INTO YOUR BROWSER AND SEE WHAT THE GUY SAID FOR YOURSELF. IT ISNT AS BAD AS ARMANDO MAKES IT SOUND. ARMANDO ALSO LIED ABOUT THE PATS GETTING AN A!

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/689762-video-watch-the-2011-nfl-draft-grades-for-the-afc-conference

Also... I could care less about the grades any tv guy with fake squirrel hair says about our team... I'm going by what I've seen the last 10 years or so... And now more than ever we are still struggling. How could an self-proclaimed O-Line expert Tony Sparano still be toying with our O-Line after years of being in charge... It's pitiful if you ask me

Yep Breed I saw it..but like I said I'm going on what I've watched on tv for years, same darn dolphins except for the 2008 year luck. We needed Jeff to take big chances this year and he went safe...same old lack of sack if you ask me. I just want my playoffs dolphins back man

Armando not only lied he is a undercover jets fan

Cowkilla,

I hope it works out and we become a much improved 2011 offense. But what stinks to high heaven about Ireland's draft is, "Why the hell every draft has to make us go who every year?

Pouncey was really the only player I ever heard of and Gates before the blazing combine 40, no one ever heard of. Is Ireland in love with ego or what!

Armando is under the HUGE misconception all of his bloggers are total idiots. Guess he doesnt think most of us are smart enough to google Dave Razzano. Geesh, Armando's stupid!

Daniel thomas does look like he has 'it' when you put on the tape of this kid you see why ireland coveted him and moved up for him.his running style reminds me of someone but I can't put my hands on who yet but this kid is solid player.

Daniel thomas does look like he has 'it' when you put on the tape of this kid you see why ireland coveted him and moved up for him.his running style reminds me of someone but I can't put my hands on who yet but this kid is solid player.

Daniel thomas does look like he has 'it' when you put on the tape of this kid you see why ireland coveted him and moved up for him.his running style reminds me of someone but I can't put my hands on who yet but this kid is solid player.

Daniel thomas does look like he has 'it' when you put on the tape of this kid you see why ireland coveted him and moved up for him.his running style reminds me of someone but I can't put my hands on who yet but this kid is solid player.

Breed, I agree man. What gets me also about Ireland is it seems to me that he wants to be "that GM guy" that finds a star out of a lesser known player. I think he gets off on that or something....

I don't know how Armando allows dumbashes to call him stupid and a liar 3 times in a row, and still allow dude to be a guest on HIS blog. I'd have blocked you by now, personally, Dying Breed. Why so disrespectful?

Yeah, I agree, Daniel Thomas definitely has IT. He fumbles IT a lot. Number one in the nation in fumbles for draftable RB's in D1. 7 fumbles in his Sr year, while Quizz Rodgers and Mikel LeShoure had zero, Kendall Hunter had 2, and Mark Ingram had 3 in his entire college career. He certainly has IT, if IT means a fumbling problem.

So, 7 fumbles in 12 games = around 10 over a 16 game season. Ouch! Add NFL hits and NFL speed into the mix. Double-ouch! I hope he doesn't fumble 15 times this year. Sammie Smith 2.0?

Posted by: tarence | May 05, 2011 at 01:46 AM-
Daniel thomas does look like he has 'it' when you put on the tape of this kid you see why ireland coveted him and moved up for him.his running style reminds me of someone but I can't put my hands on who yet but this kid is solid player.
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So, Tarence, are you talking about the one video where it's his highlights playing only 2 teams? Where he plays ISU, who gives up 185 yards a game last year? Or their UCLA game where they gave up 200 yards game last year? The only footage I've found passed around is that one vid, and I wasn't impressed. Any others you can offer to help me get excited about the kid?

Posted by: cowkilla | May 05, 2011 at 01:23 AM
Yep Breed I saw it..but like I said I'm going on what I've watched on tv for years, same darn dolphins except for the 2008 year luck. We needed Jeff to take big chances this year and he went safe...same old lack of sack if you ask me. I just want my playoffs dolphins back man
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Exactly. Very well said cowkilla. ALWAYS the freaking safe picks. I think he cinvinced Ross on a 6 year plan. 3 years to build D, then 3 years to build O = SB... wait for it (new team motto), in 3 more years! 3 more years! 3 more years!


razzano is entitled to his opinion, armando is entitled to share it with us, and this blog is here for us to give ours

mine is probably worthless, but it's still mine - and razzano can go *****

the draft wasn't perfect IMO but then i'd have picked up kaep somewhere in the first or second, tried harder to trade down and we might be getting graded F

it wasn't a D, but all of this is based on what these guys did in college.

ireland ,ts and daboll reckon these guys were the best they could do with the picks they had vs the needs of the team, until we see how our players perform, and whether our coaches can coach them up (big factor) over the next 2 seasons it is all BS

no-one really knows if ireland has IT or not

we won't for another 2 seasons, that'll be 5 from his first draft

and yeah , i think he'll still be here

I think your a bunch of Fing cry babies that need to go find something else to do with their life. Wahhhh Wahhhh Ingram Wahhh Wahhh Mallet. Seriously you all need to find a different team to cheer for because you all sound like closet Jet fans to me. Mr. I worst draft in 50 years. Wow that makes you how old? And your on the Internet calling people gay? NONE of you have a clue at all what it's like to run a football organization. Ireland has not had ONE 1st round bust yet. Sparano still has a winning record despite two 7-9 seasons trying to grow a QB. DAMN can anyone at all tell me how many losing seasons Payton Manning had before he had a winning one? Sick of reading the BS crap some of you post. And you call yourself a fan? Do us all a favor and fins another sport team because you are giving yourself an aneurysm.

The (gay) Wolf

SadFinStuckIn(butt)Mud

cow(suck)killa

Dying(ass)Breed

tarence (from Arabia)

I love you gay boys. Please stop arguing like a bunch of girls.

I am so turned on watching grown men argue about other grown men.

Makes you want to jump on the field and hug a lineman really tight.

lets have some beers on Saturday night the 6 of us at Bottoms Up in Kendall.......

The Wolf, SadFinStuckInMud, cowkilla, DyingBreed and tarence -- lets all kiss and hug each other :---)))))

well when these guy become a major impact, and they start winning i guess the fins brass will look like geniuses. they already plan on picking up a free agent for a quarterback. and i have a very strong feeling its going to be donovan mcnabb. the miami brass want to win now, and he will have all the wepons to succeede that he didnt have in washington.

We are better staying with Henne. He made some disasterous plays but also some nice sustained drives. Nothing exciting but moving the chains. The play calling was the worst I've ever seen. The year before I remember some long scoring drives (90+ yds.) which is why everyone was so optimistic last year only to be let down. Sparano didn't play to win, he played not to lose. They'd sit on a 7pt. lead. Then Belichick comes in town and shows them how to run up a score. Which is what they did every week. We all know the coaching was the main problem. Right down to special teams. The only decision I agreed with Sparano was his deferring receiving the kick til the 2nd half.
Guess what I'm saying is that, the draft QB's aren't for sure and theres no immediate savior in FA. Not to mention the fact that "WE HAD NO PICKS IN THIS DRAFT" all squandered years before. Meanwhile, the Pats who contend every year and should be picking after everyone else, have six picks in the first 3 rounds. And next year they are sitting more pretty!! Theres our problem. It really doesn't matter anyway this season is all F'd up anyway, which is sickening in itself.

Sad thing is we can comment all we want but the team is going to do what they think is best and we have to live with it either way.

We can express our displeasure if we don't agree with their decision but ultimately we have to hope they make the best decisions for the betterment of the team.

TO BE OR NOT TO BE................. DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

What ive said all along as soon as our ignorant owner decided to keep these baboons... were screwed!!! for years. Even if ross sells the team we have years of rebuilding to do. I dont guess i will see sunday ticket till at least 2020. Although the good part is we will have a high draft pick next year unless ross trades them all away before hes gone

Mike Mayock liked the Fins picks. He's got great creds!

razzano says D draft grade. i have to agree. we did major reach with pouncey at 15. we went away from best player available to fill an oline position. jeff said the phone didnt ring on the trade down. but he didnt think about trading up and getting a blue chip? thomas will be injured alot with his running style;the others are back-ups!!! jeff is on the job trainee and sparano is a Div 3 line coach. our FO gives us no chance of passing the pats,jets and maybe the bills(who do more with less talent).

JIM MANDICH IN HIS FINAL DAYS TALKING ABOUT CHAD HENNE AND FANS ............ (( HENNE IS GOING TO BE HELL OF A QB ,YOU GUYS GOT TO GIVE MY BOT HENNE A BREAK ,HE'S STILL GOING TO BE THE BEST QB THEY HAVE AND TELL OUR FANS TO BE PATIENT WITH HIM ))..............

Everything that I have read said the Patriots had a terrible draft. But of course we pick someone who tears the Phins draft apart. Also heard the Jets had a bad one as well.

HOW MIKE MAYCOCK BECAME AN EXPERT IN FOOTBALL ? HE NEVER PLAYED FOOTBALL,HOW IN HELL YOU BECOME ONE IF YOU DON'T PLAY AND FEEL THE SPORT ?

Now we sit back and wait to see who was wrong.

I think we have at least 4 starters.

ALoco,

what makes you think that you kow more about talent than someone who spends 24/7 evaluating players. Go back to sniffing my nuts and stop the hate.

Maylock

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