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For the Miami Dolphins I'd pick .... quarterback No. 1

Quarterback No. 1 threw 20 touchdown passes and nine interceptions last year, culminating two seasons in which he threw 41 touchdowns and 21 interceptions while collecting 7,455 passing yards.

Quarterback No. 2 threw 14 touchdowns and 15 interceptions last year and in the past two seasons has thrown 36 touchdowns and 25 interceptions while his spirals have covered a total of 6,930 yards.

QB No. 1 is 28 years old, which suggests he still might have more upside left. Quarterback No. 2 is 34 years old which suggests you've probably seen him at his best already.

Quarterback No. 1 has played in a system very similar to the one the Dolphins will run in 2011. In fact, he's been in that system for two years.

Quarterback No. 2 has never played in a system similar to the one the Dolphins will run in 2011. QB No. 2 has always played in a West Coast offense.

So quick, pick one.

QB No. 1, right?

You just selected Kyle Orton over Donovan McNabb.

And the more I think about it, as the Dolphins and the NFL barrel headlong into next week's free agency-slash-trade period, Orton is becoming more and more attractive to me as Miami's logical acquisition.

We know McNabb will be available. The Redskins have demoted him to the No. 3 QB slot after he fell out of favor with coach Mike Shanahan. Geez, if you're a QB and cannot excel under Shanahan that means something's up-- but that's another story for another time.

McNabb will be available relatively cheaply -- perhaps for a fourth or fifth-round draft selection.

Orton? The Denver Broncos haven't exactly put him on the trade block. But there are whispers that are growing in volume as the league's first day draws closer that Orton will indeed be available. The Broncos seem to want to measure what they have in Tim Tebow and then decide where to go from there. Orton is a veteran caretaker luxury they seem willing to part with.

The price, contrary to popular belief, likely will not be objectionable. Perhaps a fourth-round pick. No higher than a third, I'm guessing.

So the question: Why wouldn't the Dolphins make a run at Kyle Orton? It makes perfect sense to me.

Ah, yes, the angry gallery chimes in with various complaints and yeah-buts.

He's not a franchise QB. True, he is not a franchise QB. But considering his statistics, his experience and relative youth, he would become the AFC East's second best QB if the Dolphins get him. Yes, Jets fans, that means Orton has been better the last couple of years than Mark Sanchez and that isn't likely to change in 2011 unless Sanchez improves by leaps and bounds. Beyond that, think of what the Dolphins might have done with a QB that provided the stats Orton posted last year. He threw 20 TD passes after losing his best offensive threat when Brandon Marshall went to the Dolphins.

The Dolphins, meanwhile, scored a grand total of 25 offensive TDs with only 14 of those coming from their starting quarterbacks. (Henne threw a TD vs. Tennessee but did not start that game.)

Anyway ...

As someone following me on twitter argued Thursday afternooon, Orton isn't likely to be a franchise QB because, well, those type of QBs don't historically go from one team to another. Really? Steve Young, Matt Hasselbeck, Mark Brunell, Matt Schaub, Jim Plunkett, and Michael Vick all were discarded by teams and went on to become quality starters. Kurt Warner was discarded by a several teams both early and late in his career and he will eventually be in the Hall of Fame conversation. So much for that.

Well, someone else complained, the Dolphins should not add someone like Orton because they should solve their QB issues through the draft. The draft indeed would be the right way to do it, but there is no draft planned for next week that I know of. So that argument is simply childish.

The Dolphins feel the need to do everything they possibly can to improve as much as they possibly can as quickly as they possibly can. Kyle Orton is a better QB than Chad Henne. Adding him would be an improvement. So do it!

There were will a chorus of folks saying the Dolphins would be better served sticking with Henne. That groups says Henne is worthy of that confidence because he's about to blossom. A smaller portion of that group believe perhaps the Dolphins should simply try to stink so they can position themselves for a high draft pick and a nice college QB to draft in 2012.

All of those thoughts have holes.

If Henne indeed is on the verge of proving you can suddenly become fantastic after struggling for two years, why would that preclude a move for Orton? If Henne is about to get suddenly good, he'd simply have no problem winning the starting job over Orton. And the Dolphins would then have a star being born in Henne and a competent reserve in Orton. It's a win-win.

And to the folks thinking a tank is in order in 2011 to line up for college star, I assume your last name is not Sparano or Ireland or anyone associated with the Dolphins. These guys are in the game to win. They are not going to sit around and stink so a good QB will be available to the next coach or general manager. That idea has no basis in reality so stop having it.

There are undoubtedly reasons why trying to add Kyle Orton to the Dolphins roster might not be a grand idea for the Dolphins. His name isn't Dan Marino, so I guess that's one reason. But I cannot think of many others.

It cannot hurt to investigate and negotiate. Maybe it doesn't work out. Maybe it does. Doing the work costs nothing but sweat. Time to work in my opinion.

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Here's the low down:

CP10 is gone.
TB3 is an unproven commodity.
If you can upgrade the #2 QB spot by substituting Orton for TT16 all for a fourth round pick, that sounds like a plausible option.

0.02

mcnabb (assuming he's cut)would be better than trading pics

i do think young's a head case waiting to happen and might even beat out henne and then start screwing with us just as things come together, i doubt if ts would go near this guy unless his contract states he has to live at the training facility

but even he would be better than trading pics

but i think they'll try and persuade thiggy to stay and say daboll will give him a fair shot at starting

tieddolfan

even flushing the toilet with my head in it doesn't stop me wanting to give henne next season with daboll's offence and (if we ever get some rb's) a better running game

02,

#1 Priority should be to get a long term bonafide starting QB that can put the team on his shoulders and WIN games. Debating a second string QB is meaningless at this point.

Whether Orton is better than Henne is irrelevant because Orton isn't the guy. I'd be fine with Henne as a #2.

We have a young team, we need a QB that will be good for MINIMUM 7 years. Not some old broken down vet on his last legs, no stop gap. This team has been stop gapped to death for 10 years now. Give it up already and go for the gold.

Guys, McNabb CAN'T be the option because he doesn't run our style offense, and Washington proved he's set in his ways, which he should be because he WAS a great QB. But he's washed up, and we don't need his dead weight around here.

Orton is 28, so still can be a strong asset to the team, and a 4th-round pick isn't too much to ask. Now, if ALoco thinks the Dolphins will give him 11mil, I'm not so sure, but even if they did, it would more than make up for the pittance they give Henne.

If we, as I expect, get a 1st-round QB next Draft, we won't be busting the bank and will have extra meat to dangle in front of other teams searching for QBs for extra picks.

Out of all the available options, Orton checks the most boxes. VY might be the flashier pick, the "Vick"-type pick that offers big dreams, but he also comes with the most risks. I wouldn't be mad at Ireland if he goes with the safer choice.

Guys, Aside from the defence(And thats suspect)This team is gonna have to be rebuilt from the ground up, Lets face it, "Fisty" is not he answer, Ireland is a boob Can somebody help THE WOLF AND PULL THE PLUG??????Just asking....

Orton = more mediocrity. That is why 3 coaches in 3 years have given up on him. That is why Tebow is the starter over Orton.

It boggles my mind how any of you can be so high on Orton. I urge you to review our last 12 starting QB's and then tell me you think he is the answer.

Well, if it makes perfect since to sign Orton, then the current dolphins management will,naturally, sign McNabb.

Cuban

Ireland seems to be doing well if you ask me. Fan's can knock him for a few misses in the draft (no more than any other team misses) or the silly question he asked Dez, but I'm not so sure I'd let Ireland go. I think he knows what he is doing.

Oh yeah, The owner is also clueless, But I'll be rooting for the fins this upcoming season, I may be a masochist, I mean I have a dominering girlfriend, I have a job that requires me to interact with the scum of society but I'll always root for the aua and orange.... Fist pump.....

The owner is so clueless that he is a self-made billionaire.

IBGO, Welcome to the "Gang of defeat"....LOL...

Untrue Carl, He Inherited a boat load of his Money......And besides that what makes him able to run a NFL team,if what he's done so far nothing. He's a Buffoon IMHO, Can you say anything this guys done to improve the mighty air breathers??

He spent $$$ to bring in Marshall, Dansby, was willing to break the bank to bring in a real HC, and he eventually will. Theres a few for ya...

carl, Orton is definitely not the answer (long-term), but he'll do for a year (or as a backup). Either he or Henne could be perfectly good backups to a more elite QB. But we're not getting a more elite QB through FA, and like Mando said, the Draft is AFTER this season. So if this is the best you can do now, I'm not sure what you're better option is?

CUBEN, GO TO SLEP,YUO BEEN PODSTING NOW FOR 13 STREGHT HOURS, ATE SOME GOVERMENT CHESE AND SOME EGGS, YOUR EMBAREASING YOUERSELF.SHEESSSH

DC

What is the point then to bring in another stop gap for a year or two? Scratching my head. Give Henne one more season to see what he can do, if he is a keeper or not. If not, go all out in next draft to draft a QB high.

Just because a mediocre stop gap QB that may be a little better than Henne is available, doesn't mean you have to go for him. I'd rather bring in another vet cheaper as primarily a back up. Either Henne will be the long term starter or we will get one in the next draft.

There is no long term answer in FA, other than maybe gambling on VY, which I'd be fine with if the price was right and there were 'easy out' clauses if he acted out of line. Orton will be just one more waste of time.

Just checking some of these comments and got to tell you guys your at best last in the AFC East, I mean the bill's are better then you.To Bad the CBA will be signed soon,if it was prolonged and the season was shorten to 10 games you'ld only lose 6 or 7 games,but with a full slate you'll surely lose 12 to 14 games., good luck with the # 1 pick next year.

Last thought of the day on Orton.

One coach could be wrong about a player.

Two coaches possibly could be wrong about a player.

Three different coaches are not so likely to all be wrong about the same player.

If three diffferent coaches give up on the same QB in a three year span, something tells me that is not the player you want to invest in when you have been searching for an 'answer' at QB for over a decade. Even as a backup, there are cheaper options possibly even better.

I HATE TO ANOUNCE THE GRAET AMY WINEHOUSE HAS PASSED AWAY, A TRUE WORLD TRAGADY.

I find it interesting that everyone is ready to drop Henne. Let's look at last year. We couldn't establish the run, nor could we pass/run block due to our injured and swiss cheese OL. Marshall wasn't a threat because he was doubled, Henne was under constant pressure from the bad OL and there weren't many options when you have to hold your RBs back to block. I agree Orton has more chops and stats and he might be the better starter, but if the line doesn't improve, putting him, Mcnabb or any other QB will be problematic. Vince Young might be an option- at least he can take off if nothing's open, but do we need a head-case in the locker room? don't forget the weapons Marino had around him, plus the quick release and a decent line. We don't have the Marks brothers anymore to spread the field...

How about this scenario for QB situation. Keep Henne, give him one last chance to become a solid starter (he might surprise us). Get VY on the cheap, create a package of plays to utilize his athleticism, including wildcat, bubble screens, etc. If Henne flops, VY would be familiar with the offense by then, give him a shot.

Best case-we end up with a solid Henne, and a backup in VY who can help in other ways, too. Or VY becomes the next Michael Vick, and Henne is a solid backup.

Worst case-we dump them both after the season and start all over. Very little risk in this scenario and a huge upside.

FINFNA 72, HOW CAN YOU TALK ABUOT FOOTBALL WHEN THE GRAETEST ENTERTAINER HAS PASSERD, SHOW YUOR RESPEST TO AMY.

finsfan, major flaw in your thinking. vy will go mental if he is not the starter. can't handle it, never will.

Orton has peaked, he isnt getting any better than he already is. There's a huge possibility in 2012 Henne will be just as good as Orton is now. Which is a scary thought and isnt saying much at all.

Folks, all of you guys that say this is now a passing league now should especially frown upon Orton. Orton is only an older version of Chad Henne...Check Down...Check Down...Check Down!

Havent we learned all ready Check Down = 7-9 Seasons?

Lets see, we have one QB under contract that has any NFL experience. So we need AT LEAST a "back-up" QB.

According to what I've read above:

Orton isn't worth bringing in period and VY is worth gambling on as the long term answer?

Alrighty then............and I thought Jeff Ireland had issues.

FUNNY DYING BREED THINK HE KNOW MORE THAN DILFER WHO SAYS ORTON IS A GREAT QB. DILFER HAS A SB RING AND DB HAS ONLY CHEETOS AND CHEAP BEER.

AH THE PRESIDENT HADS ARRIVED, CHEIF BREAD, I ASEA THATT YOU JUST WOKE UP,NOW WE HAVE 2 OF THE 7 GANG HERE,ITSONLY A MATER OF TIME BEFORE KRIS ARIVES,DB,HOW MUCH CAT POOP IS IN YUOR TRAILER?

Also, there isn't any "third coach" that gave up on Orton.

He was included in a package deal in a blockbuster trade for another QB, who at the time, was considered one of the premier talents out there.

Talk about slanting the facts to fit your "STORY"!

Finsfan72,

If Jeffy doesnt have the balls to sign VY, I much rather see Bulger signed than any other qb available. Here's why:

Bulger proved in St Louis when given adequate weapons and protection he's a damn good qb. Best of all he was a damn good "VERTICAL" passing qb.

I do believe we now have really good offensive weapons in Miami. If the protection holds up I seriously believe we will see "the greatest show on turf" Bulger fully reemerge.

We also need a qb that would be able to put points on the board in a hurry. Especially going against a Brady-led Pats offense that averaged over 30pts per game in 2010.

Orton cant do it with his checkdown style of qb play. When given adequate weapons and protection Bulger has already proven he can. No VY should = Bulger and no one else.

VY or Bulger are the only 2 qb's on my offseason wishlist.

NOW THERES # 3 GANG OF DEFEAT, THENK THE LORD I GOTO GO TO WORK IN TO HOURS,ODIN HOW MUCH HANGOVER DOE YOU HAVEE?

ODIN IS ALREADY DRUNK I SEE. BEARS GAVE UP ORTON IN DEAL BECAUSE THEY GAVE UP AND NEEDES SOMEONE BETTER. EVEN 5 YEAR OLD CAN SEE THAT.

Odinseye,

What disturbs me most is Orton is not a high scoring shootout qb. With Orton we may as well forfeit our 2 division games to the scoring machine called Tom Brady for at least the next few years.

Also we may as well forfeit any games we play against qb's who can put points on the board in a hurry. Cancel any SB reservations because in the playoffs we are sure to run into a qb that can put points on the board in a hurry. Orton can not. Check Please, or should I say Checkdown please!

Aloco, You mean Denny's does'nt care about there dish washers coming into work "Cranking"???????

No hangover to speak of, but the weekend ain't over till it's over.

I'm "Hosting" a party at the house tonight. Hopefully it won't get too out of hand. It's just a warm up for my Family Reunion next weekend.

BTW Aloco, you're invited to my Family Reunion. If you show up, you'll be the "Guest of Honor".......

If you know what I mean..........

Guys, in today's nfl you're not going to consistently win very many games without a qb thats capable of placing points on the scoreboard in a hurry. Do you have to light up the scoreboard every single game? No. But you for damn sure had better have the capability to do so.

Folks Orton isnt it. Check his track record. The Bears unloaded him and now Denver's ready to unload to start Tim Tebow. If Tebow's running him out of town you gotta know there's something seriously flawed about Orton.

CASE CLOSED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

LOL @ Odin, .. I gotta agree here with Mr. Breed, Then again if a team scores more then 10 the fins are apt to lose......

Heck, I'ld rather see Henne as starting qb than Orton. At least Henne does have the arm to be a great verticle passing qb, Orton doesnt. If Henne can ever improve the accuracy on his vertical balls we will have a lights out offense in Miami.

Guys, Orton doesnt even have the arm strenth to be a great verticle passer. All of the teams that can put points on the board in a hurry have great vertical passing qb's. That can not be debated.


ODIN IS ALREADY DRUNK I SEE. BEARS GAVE UP ORTON IN DEAL BECAUSE THEY GAVE UP AND NEEDES SOMEONE BETTER. EVEN 5 YEAR OLD CAN SEE THAT.

Posted by: ALoco | July 23, 2011 at 01:59 PM


Aloco must be huffing already.

The Bears didn't "Give Up" Orton. Denver insisted Orton be included with the high picks. Nobody is arguing Orton vs. Cutler. For the record, the Bears paid a kings ransom for him and Orton was part of the ransom.

Still, it's debatable who got the better end of that deal, ALL THINS CONSIDERED, I say Denver.

Even a glue sniffer can see that............

Breed, We're on the same page, But they need a QB more, I dont see that as a then I need a month off, You say V.Y????Not sure if you put PaytonManning in there is gonna make a differance....

You guys must also remember that having the ability to quickly place points on the scoreboard will also change the way the Mike Nolan-led defense will have to place defense.

It will lead to many more sack and interception opportunities. We'll just have to have all of the db's working overtime at the juggs machine. LOL........

Odin, Your right about Lil Aloco "HUFFING", Gotta laugh at the Bears for that fiasco, but then again if you had Rex Grossman as your QB I'd try anything too..........

Hell, Home, deep down, nobody wants to die (even you).

Cuban I seriously believe our pass protection will be better in 2011. If Pouncey is even 75% of what his brother is, then he's still a huge upgrade over our 2010 starting center.

Bottomline:

If we're going to have better pass protection the best way to max that out is to have a qb very efficient in the vertical game. Not a guy who consistently throws 10-15yds downfield and pray our recievers can breakl a few tackle then take it to the house. Thats called "WISHFUL THINKING OFFENSE"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Close low scoring games severely wears on your defense over the course of a season. That last New England game should be full evidence to everyone of this.

Close low scoring games are both physically and mentally grinding on any defensive unit. Full evidence is in both 2009 and 2010 our defense completely fell apart at seasons end.

Its imperative we have a qb that puts points on the board and has an ability to do it rather quickly. Orton isnt it.

whilst i agree that the ability to score quickly is a necessity, ts's priority when not far behind/ahead will be to establish the run and use it predominently

however if gates and marshall turn up the boosters and henne/qb camp winner improves the long ball accuracy this combined with a half decent running game will transform the fins

i doubt our defence will regress , i don't rate the jets improving i think they'll decline a little to a lot

personally i think adding 1 more solid pass rusher, solid rb (poss ronnie ricky) and a lowpic/cut qb r the fa priorities for the fins

though as ever i expect surprises

the above factors will enable us to go at least 9-7, i expect 10-6

suck on it g.o.d!!

Believe me, I am no addict anymore of the 3 yards and a cloud of Dust; Shula and Marino got me to like the "let the Ball air out". But at the same time, what are we to do here in Miami? We have a QB who can throw it long but without a fine point of accuracy. The rest, if any, are plodders. Then?

What really gets lost in all of the mystique of the VY baggage is that he's one of the absolute best qb's in the nfl when going against the blitz. He just needs to improve reading coverages and schemes when defenses are not blitzing him.

All of the expert will agree he's one of the top blitz read qb's in the league. VY will be lights out when the lights for the rest of game comes on!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Breed...we get it....."QB who scores points quickly".......is that the take away from your 25 post with "QB who put points on the board quickly"......

Doesn't the OC play a HUGE part in those "points on the board"....one would think so after reading the "lynch mob mentality about Dan Henning".......

I think this season hinges less on whomis under center and more on who is calling the plays.....

and since the Dolphins whent out and got a OC for the 30th ranked offence.....well....we might want to start there......

If Ireland signs Orton over VY or Bulger, then he had better pray the lights for Henne's vertical game comes on this season. If not, we're once again back to low scoring sluggish offense.

Problem with low scoring games is both teams have a 50/50 chance of winning. So a team playing in those type of gamesa over the course of a season will win about 50% of thier games. Unfortunately for us this means back to the land of 7-9 ton 8-8 win seasons.

That is unacceptable and either Sparano or Ireland or even both will be out of here at the end of the 2011-12 football season.

kris , its a great point, but we can finish there too coz we're not trading for a new oc
daboll is just as unproven as half our team

we just have to wait to find, out

one thing though

henning might have been a good oc in his time but last season his calls were absolute sh**t at critical moments in games lots of things were wrong with the offence last season, but that doesn't mean they can't improve in a hurry

the lockout will def have hurt our learning a new system though

The true bottom line is this.....

The Dolphins will not have a star under center this year....and the fans won't have the ILLUSIONS that we went in last year in regards to Henne......

Our best shot is a game manager...a thinking man's QB....you know....like the last one to win 11 games in a FINS uniform......

We need the smartest guy available to take in Daboll's offence....digest it.....and sh_t gold....or at least silver.......

a QB who understands Defence's...and knows who will be open pre-snap....and then again post snap....

Say what you will about Trent Dilfer the Player....Trent Dilfer the analyst knows his stuff....he is an X's and O's kinda guy......

when he is breaking down film....he does it from a QB's perspective qnd they guy knows how the postion is SUPPOSED to be played......regardless if his physical skills allowed him to play it at a high level or not......

I personally want the experince of McNabb over any of the other choices.....but if voting within the confines of Armando's Blog...give me Orton.....

Chris,

True the OC calls the plays, but he must also have the guys or "the guy" whom can consistently "execute" those plays. If the OC calls certain "vertical" plays that his qb can't consistently execute. Is that the OC's fault?

You gotta remember "the flow of the game" has so much to do with how an OC can call plays. If playing a high scoring team like the Brady-led Pats offensive he would be severely handcuffed in calling vertical plays he knows his qb doesnt succefully execute(Orton).

These kind of games will make you predominantly ditch your run game because you need a very high octane aerial attack to match point for point. Checkdown qb's will keep you predominantly lambashing in the 8-8 win loss territory nearly infinitely.

That is NFL offensive "PERGATORY" my faithful dolfan friend!!!!!!

kris,

Please remember, if Dilfer was so great as you percieve him to be. Then why hasnt anyone snatched him up to become thier qb coach if his "opinions". were so respected by actual nfl team experts?

Dilfer is just another talking head who's highly paid to spread his own personal poison(opinions). He's no different than you or I, he only gets paid to "babble" and we dont.

Wow.

Andy Reid cans me.
Mike Shanahan 3rd strings me.
The Dolphins fans want me.

Woo Hoo!!

Wolf....true...Daboll is unproven.....and I guess the hope is that some of that Belicheat pixie dust is still behind his ears.....

The reality (to me) is this....the Dolphins will start the season at a HUGE disadvantage because of the lock-out....the uncertanty at QB....and the new OC/new playbook.....

in hindsight due to the looming lock-out we (as an organization) would have been much smarter to either have kept Henning...or promoted from within....so much of our offence and termonoligy would have been the same....but that is not the case.....and the fins will have to play the cards they CHOSE.....

Wolf....I have to agree...Hennings calls were head scrathing to put it nicely...and he definetly warranted much of the scurtiny he got....When I read the article on him....i felt like i was reading a Dick Cheney Article.......just to set in his ways.....

Being a perrenial 8-8 gray area win-loss team is so disheartning because you're not bad enough to get a perrenial game changing player via the draft and you're also not a very attractive destination to impact players via free agency.

That's not to even mention you're not good enough to beat the big boys of the nfl. Sure you can pat yourself on the back and say how close you played some of those big boy teams. But at the end of the day its still a loss and there's never any consolation in losing.

Does this pretty much remind you of the past decade of being a dolphin fan?

Shhoooooot!

I'm better'n Tahlah Thigpuhn.
Bring me in for cryin' out loud!

Wow.

Andy Reid cans me.
Mike Shanahan 3rd strings me.
The Dolphins fans want me.

Woo Hoo!!

Posted by: Donovan McNabb | July 23, 2011 at 03:06 PM


Donovan, what are you talking about boy?
I'm cutting you out altogether you useless piece of crap.

i'm quite happy to admit i'm a deluded optimist

reality is that the season hasn't started

all are 0-0

we have a lot of young players many of whom r on an upwards curve in performance in their careers

ok it needs teamwork and execution and the biggest improvement needs to come from henne

but reality is

the biggest missing piece right now is the running game

reality is there's more reason to be negative than positive because of the way last season finished

but that was last season

the fins r gonna shock the league, henne and ts r gonna answer some critics

the jets r gonna implode

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