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For the Miami Dolphins I'd pick .... quarterback No. 1

Quarterback No. 1 threw 20 touchdown passes and nine interceptions last year, culminating two seasons in which he threw 41 touchdowns and 21 interceptions while collecting 7,455 passing yards.

Quarterback No. 2 threw 14 touchdowns and 15 interceptions last year and in the past two seasons has thrown 36 touchdowns and 25 interceptions while his spirals have covered a total of 6,930 yards.

QB No. 1 is 28 years old, which suggests he still might have more upside left. Quarterback No. 2 is 34 years old which suggests you've probably seen him at his best already.

Quarterback No. 1 has played in a system very similar to the one the Dolphins will run in 2011. In fact, he's been in that system for two years.

Quarterback No. 2 has never played in a system similar to the one the Dolphins will run in 2011. QB No. 2 has always played in a West Coast offense.

So quick, pick one.

QB No. 1, right?

You just selected Kyle Orton over Donovan McNabb.

And the more I think about it, as the Dolphins and the NFL barrel headlong into next week's free agency-slash-trade period, Orton is becoming more and more attractive to me as Miami's logical acquisition.

We know McNabb will be available. The Redskins have demoted him to the No. 3 QB slot after he fell out of favor with coach Mike Shanahan. Geez, if you're a QB and cannot excel under Shanahan that means something's up-- but that's another story for another time.

McNabb will be available relatively cheaply -- perhaps for a fourth or fifth-round draft selection.

Orton? The Denver Broncos haven't exactly put him on the trade block. But there are whispers that are growing in volume as the league's first day draws closer that Orton will indeed be available. The Broncos seem to want to measure what they have in Tim Tebow and then decide where to go from there. Orton is a veteran caretaker luxury they seem willing to part with.

The price, contrary to popular belief, likely will not be objectionable. Perhaps a fourth-round pick. No higher than a third, I'm guessing.

So the question: Why wouldn't the Dolphins make a run at Kyle Orton? It makes perfect sense to me.

Ah, yes, the angry gallery chimes in with various complaints and yeah-buts.

He's not a franchise QB. True, he is not a franchise QB. But considering his statistics, his experience and relative youth, he would become the AFC East's second best QB if the Dolphins get him. Yes, Jets fans, that means Orton has been better the last couple of years than Mark Sanchez and that isn't likely to change in 2011 unless Sanchez improves by leaps and bounds. Beyond that, think of what the Dolphins might have done with a QB that provided the stats Orton posted last year. He threw 20 TD passes after losing his best offensive threat when Brandon Marshall went to the Dolphins.

The Dolphins, meanwhile, scored a grand total of 25 offensive TDs with only 14 of those coming from their starting quarterbacks. (Henne threw a TD vs. Tennessee but did not start that game.)

Anyway ...

As someone following me on twitter argued Thursday afternooon, Orton isn't likely to be a franchise QB because, well, those type of QBs don't historically go from one team to another. Really? Steve Young, Matt Hasselbeck, Mark Brunell, Matt Schaub, Jim Plunkett, and Michael Vick all were discarded by teams and went on to become quality starters. Kurt Warner was discarded by a several teams both early and late in his career and he will eventually be in the Hall of Fame conversation. So much for that.

Well, someone else complained, the Dolphins should not add someone like Orton because they should solve their QB issues through the draft. The draft indeed would be the right way to do it, but there is no draft planned for next week that I know of. So that argument is simply childish.

The Dolphins feel the need to do everything they possibly can to improve as much as they possibly can as quickly as they possibly can. Kyle Orton is a better QB than Chad Henne. Adding him would be an improvement. So do it!

There were will a chorus of folks saying the Dolphins would be better served sticking with Henne. That groups says Henne is worthy of that confidence because he's about to blossom. A smaller portion of that group believe perhaps the Dolphins should simply try to stink so they can position themselves for a high draft pick and a nice college QB to draft in 2012.

All of those thoughts have holes.

If Henne indeed is on the verge of proving you can suddenly become fantastic after struggling for two years, why would that preclude a move for Orton? If Henne is about to get suddenly good, he'd simply have no problem winning the starting job over Orton. And the Dolphins would then have a star being born in Henne and a competent reserve in Orton. It's a win-win.

And to the folks thinking a tank is in order in 2011 to line up for college star, I assume your last name is not Sparano or Ireland or anyone associated with the Dolphins. These guys are in the game to win. They are not going to sit around and stink so a good QB will be available to the next coach or general manager. That idea has no basis in reality so stop having it.

There are undoubtedly reasons why trying to add Kyle Orton to the Dolphins roster might not be a grand idea for the Dolphins. His name isn't Dan Marino, so I guess that's one reason. But I cannot think of many others.

It cannot hurt to investigate and negotiate. Maybe it doesn't work out. Maybe it does. Doing the work costs nothing but sweat. Time to work in my opinion.

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You and fireman ed go have a circle jerk

I cant figure out whats dumber. A troll being on another team's site or that team site's fans actually responding to that troll.

Leads be adults dolfans and let the "kiddie trolls" play with themselves.

you're right..i just hate the Jets..couldn't help myself.

ok dad, i'm sorry, i won't do it again, i promise


LOL..... I do understand!

I like the way you think DB.....

Playing with themselves seem to be what these trolls love most. If you get my drift.

Must be hell on cleaning up thier keyboards afterwards. LOL.....

I think investing my money into prime keyboard manufactoring may be the way to go. Let the trolls pay my bills! LOL...


Chat with you guys later. Now off to my non-internet real world life. Catch you guys later.



Question for those of you smarter than I am about the new CBA (Armando)......
Will we receive any compensation for the loss of Ronnie or Ricky in the next draft?
If so, why not use it with a DL and sign the best possible OL, TE, OLB, RB or QB?

Money, They'll get nothing, My guess is Ronnie will end up in New England and Ricky in K.C.......

they might go after matt flynn. let's see how bad they screw this one up!

I still wouldn't rule out Carson Palmer. Anything can happen with that situation. My guess is Palmer would be their first choice and VY second.

I think they realize they need to take some chances on players like VY. They did so with Marshall and they'll do it again. With the two granpa rulerss gone, Henning and Parcells, they now have younger, more modern thinkers in Ireland and Daboll and Nolan. Sparano got his guy Pouncey so he'll be happy with anything else at this point. They can work a safe deal with VY where they aren't risking much if the situation goes south.

Firm in my belief that VY is the best possible QB available (upsides and downsides) at no cost, TE Miller from Oakland, an upgrade to the current offensive guards and an OLB backup.
If we have to use a DL to make this happen, do so.

Cuban- thanks for the heads up.
Not complaining but do not fully comprehend how some teams receive major compensatory picks and some teams receive nothing while following the NFL since the 60s.
Hate to see RB in New England about as much as I hated to to see JT in a Jets uniform.

Compensatory picks

In addition to the 32 picks in each round, there are a total of 32 picks awarded at the ends of Rounds 3 through 7. These picks, known as "compensatory picks," are awarded to teams that have lost more qualifying free agents than they gained the previous year in free agency. Teams that gain and lose the same number of players but lose higher-valued players than they gain also can be awarded a pick, but only in the seventh round, after the other compensatory picks. Compensatory picks cannot be traded, and the placement of the picks is determined by a proprietary formula based on the player's salary, playing time, and postseason honors with his new team, with salary being the primary factor. So, for example, a team that lost a linebacker who signed for $2.5 million per year in free agency might get a sixth-round compensatory pick, while a team that lost a wide receiver who signed for $5 million per year might receive a fourth-round pick.

If fewer than 32 such picks are awarded, the remaining picks are awarded in the order in which teams would pick in a hypothetical eighth round of the draft (These are known as "supplemental compensatory selections").

Compensatory picks are awarded each year at the NFL annual meeting which is held at the end of March; typically, about three or four weeks before the draft.

Simon and all ....
Just for the record, understand that compensatory picks cannot be traded, meant the Fins pick in the anticipated round of a 2012 compensatory pick.
Appreciate the analysis/

Am I a traitor if I pray the Fins stink REAL BAD this season? What if I say that stinking will mean drafting ANDREW LUCK. I'll give up one terrible year for 15 years of a franchise QB.

i really pray ireland/sparano are smart enough to know they need a qb or two. jets grabbed a good late(7th) round prospect in greg mcelroy of bama while ireland took a bathroom break. i would grab any vet qb like v.young,k.orton,or even matt leinart to run the show. after watching henne for 3 years i don't think he is a pro qb;maybe a thrower but not a qb. he lacks all the intangibles and never takes the team down the field for TD's. we had to be the only team who didnt ave a 2 minute offense. it became painful to watch. we are a team who is "young" to a fault. ireland/sparano got us youth but we sorely lack the seasoned old vets who teach the young bucks all the tricks of the trade. we decided to go for youth and size instead of balls,guts and vet leadership. big mistake;i'll take the old vets who know how to get it done.

greg z

Are you bitter about everything in general or just the fins?

The team has has a pretty good mix of vets and young players. Just no effective QB.

i'm not sure if anyone saw this but the jets made a great hire in signing tom moore who was peyton mannings offensive coord for the colts for years. he is 72 but is an offensive genius whose job will be to consult by dissecting game film and offering great expertise on the offensive side of the ball. jets and pats are gonna be hard to catch unless ireland/sparano wake up ASAP!

zingo, who are the veteran leaders on the team you speak of? please expand on your answer.

greg z....
Agree on the QB scenerio, at least about 6 undrafted free agents that have possiblity to be NFL backups that will be cheap and we need a competitor at the minimum / upgrade to Henne.
As far as veterans. upgrade at OL and vet backup at OLB would be sweet/

Starks Dansby Marshall Long Crowder believe it or not talks them up, Starks, Will ALlen, Cognito, until this coming season Ricky Ronnie Pennington

moneyman, yup, got to get some qb's to compete and actually win the job. henne was annointed jan 2010 as the teams "future" and didnt win the job in camp. wake had to wait a year to play and thigpen was never given a chance. eric walden was cut and proceded to flourish in gbay. we grabbed al harris who everyone in the nfl knew was broken. i'm am glad reshad finally got in there. clemons has had 1 or 2 passes defensed in 2 years as a FS. let these guys win their jobs in camp but its up to ireland/sparano to bring some tough vets in to solidify both sides of the ball or it will be a long year. i love the team but not the Front office(too many bad decisions)!

zingo, is that the best you can do? there is maybe 1 guy you mentioned (as seasoned vets) over 30 this season? where is the mix you spoke of?

Would add Bell and Carey (if he survives) to the existing veterans mentioned above by Zingo at 8:49.

Peyton Manning does not need an OC.

peyton loved tom moore who he credits for his success with the colts. tom moore is an off genius as peyton attests.

Some new guys here named Singo, I mean Zingo, Simon, etc. Where is petrograd?

Also they brought in the great Jason Ferguson although now retired. Let's see what they do this year.

Greg, I guess you are in fantasy land thinking we had 25 high round draft picks and a billion dollar free agency cap. That is the trick, to build a team within the confined available parameters.

I have a hefty share of complaints too, but some of yours are unreasonable and you are bitter for the sake of being bitter.

i think yeremiah bell and will allen are guys who are seasoned vets that players look to for leadership. we are woefully short on guys like that. jason taylor was another loss in terms of vet leadership. he helped cam wake come along.

Well, if Peyton says so...

zingo, you seemed to have missed the point. vets dont take draft picks or unreasonable $. most are underpaid tough football players who do the grunt work so you can overpay the OT's like carey or nt(solai) and skill players like marshall. i'm not a blind dolphin cheerleader;i want the bifecta to make smart decisions and put the team in good position to win games. if they dont the fans will hold them accountable. its a business;its their job to make good decisions.

10-4 on Peyton.
If a Peyton is available, do a Ditka and sign him.
Not sure anything close to him or Ely is available.

A leader is anyone who doesnt settle for 2nd best and demonstrates the action to back it up. 53 players on a team whom are all in theat same accords are all leaders.

Anyone who has to be motivated by others to do what they are supposed to do anyway are what's usually referred to as a "former" teammate. Because he wont be around for very long.

If you only have just a handful of leaders on your team you're not going to win very many games. Guys willing to settle for 2nd best best are called the first losers. Leadership breeds championships and you must have a team full of leaders to accomplish that.


My point is, this regime has had only 3 seasons to come back from 1-15. While they may have blown some draft picks, missed a on a couple of FA like Santonio Holmes...overall I think they are doing pretty well. They screwed up relying on injury prone olinemen, and guess what, they got injured. That is the biggest reason this team was so bad last year. But I am giving them the benefit of the doubt with this draft and lets see now what they do in FA.

Peyton Manning and Tom Brady have been the class of the NFL qb's for over a decade now. However the downside to this is the rarity of the fact how many great qb's have won SB's past the prime of thier playing careers.

Elway is the only one that comes to mind right of the top of my noggin. However, even Elway needed a stifling defense and the absolute best rb in the league at the time to accomplish this feat.

Father time suggests, if Brady or Manning dont win another championship within the next 2 years. It is highly doubtful and unrealistic it will ever happen outside of the next 2 season. Even hof qb's begin to fade the further past 10yrs of thier playing careers they encounter. Ask Joe Montana.

Mi Amigo Mando said "A smaller portion of that group believe perhaps the Dolphins should simply try to stink so they can position themselves for a high draft pick and a nice college QB to draft in 2012."

As long as Tony is coach and our current roster is in place, we WON'T have to "try to stink," we can accomplish that feat quite naturally, thank you.

This is now a QB driven league...as it should be, and Kyle will only win us 3 more games, which will, again, keep us out of the playoffs and get us the #24 draft choice.


Mr ALoco...can Jason Taylor play QB?
Thought not.

Lets let him be, and move on.

Marino's greatest decline occured between years 12-17. It was horrible watching Marino throw nearly as many td's to the opposing teams db's as he did to his own in those last 3-4yrs of his career.

IMAWriter why are you giving Orton the benefit of the doubt to win 10 games?(We were 7-9 last season) IMO Orton maxes out around 9 win a year(9-7). With Orton as the starter I still see us no better than a 9-7 to 7-9 win range.

Heck we're already that with Henne.

Moneyman, after watch VY here in TN for the past few years, he would be not match up well with our receivers, as he CANNOT throw an accurately consistent short range throw, especially to his left.
So Marshall and co would be SOL.
He does throw a nice deep ball, but we have no one (unless the new guy comes through) that can get it.

2 years ago VY Killed the Fins here in TN with bombs, 2 over Vontae and one of Will Allen, I think...or maybe Smith.

He does have great mobility, but he and Fisher were a match made ijn hell, due to the interference of Bud Adams.

I would take him over McNabb, just for the interest factor and age difference.

With you 100% DB.

As a former athlete in HS and college nothing meant anything but winning. Losing flat sucks.
No motivation or leadership.
No motivation from any other player or coach was needed.

During my military career, I was expected and I expected my team to do the job 100% or not
be a part of my team.

This team with a few additions has the ability to win games.

Sorry for the typos. ;>D


I really like the rookie offensive additions. All we lack now is to sign the "right" qb and somehow come up with a guard that can pull.

I still dont see that present pulling gurad on the team unless Jerry can be that guy with a much improved 2nd season. Incognito in no ways can be mistaken as a pulling guard. The run game with greatly improve with a legit pulling guard.

My point is based on what is available, VY is the best option.
Give him a one year deal with a second year optio n.
If he works out great, if he doesn't what have the fins lost.
I am all in for drafting the best QB available when we pick in the 1st round of 2012 regardless.

I just threw a figure out. i agree that as out team is presently constituted, and considering the strength of the Pats and Jets, and 6-7 other teams in the AFC better than us 10 wins is not a probability.

Just a thought/question...

considering that we are not going to be playoff bound, are any of you just the LEAST bit curious to see what Henne would do with the 1000 # gorilla known as Dan Henning gone from the premises?

I admit to some morbid curiosity. Was it Dan's hideous game time flatulence, or Henne's fear factor?
I, for one, would like to see Henne without that albatross hanging around.

Atlanta(two if I am not mistaken), New Orleans, Tampa and Oakland to my knowledge have OGs that are free agents.
Think as a minimum one to compete with Jerry who fins hope improves from rookie season.
Incognito is a mauler not a puller, I agree.

Before I call it a night, another question:
If we had the jets coaching staff and they ours (same players for each) is there ANY doubt we would be better than we are now.

I hate this coaching staff. Half of them out of position, some inexperienced, and none with a REAL coaching pedigree, save Nolan.

IMHO, THAT, and our front office may be as weak a link as is our QB.

Great stuff tonight from y'all. Glad to be back.
Best to all.


We have one of the top 5, maybe even top 3 defensive coordinators in the league. No serious problem there. they just need to learn to hold onto to the pick opportunities.

However, the st's have been albatrossic and its yet to be distinguished if its coaching or just horrible guys playing st's. We have a new st's coach and just have to wait and see how this all pans out this season.

True Henning's gone and I like the influx of rookie offensive talent brought in. Still Im not willing to lay all of the blame at Henning's feet. We were shortchanged on offensive talent and Henne still wasnt quite where we needed him to be in terms of his play.

Still, even with more offensive firepower, Henne does have to hugely step up his play vs 2010 too. Because if he doesnt it doesnt matter who we bring in or who's doing the coaching. We still will not be very successful win-loss wise.

Also, the defense will again go into a late season swoon from spending so much time on the field over the course of the season. This do not for one second doubt.

Do the Dolphins have the right front office to be able sign the right free agents in the short amount of time to do so?

DB, I did mention Nolan. He is it. Stops there.

The lockout is a killer for us, what with all the new coaches and system, rookies who MUST contribute, etc.

If our new RB doesn't show his supposed stuff, it will be another nail in the FO coffin. I expect Pouncey will do a good job, once he gets pounded around a bit.

Can't say that I disagree on the coaching staff but the Fins have what the Fins have and if you have followed and supported the fins as long as I have (since before the merger) you can only believe that it is possible.
As my wife has said to me time and time again lately, it is easy to be a Patriot fan but it is tough to be a Fin fan and stand with the Fins.
Less complaints about what we do not have and more support is the way to go.
Been enjoyable, thanks for having me.

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