First things first: Please check out my column from the pages of the Miami Herald this morning. It discusses how ugly the Dolphins looked as a football team at their first training camp practice Friday and why. It also tells you why there is good news on the way.
It also tells you that there still could be great news on the way. And the great news is that, contrary to many reports, the Dolphins have not completely closed the door on Kyle Orton.
Once you get done with that, head back here to the comments section because I will be live blogging the Dolphins 11 a.m. practice -- as I did yesterday.
See you in the comments section.
Well, now you see why i mis-read it, you tend to lean toward insulting people who dont agree with you Kris....
just sayin.
Posted by: Poizen | July 30, 2011 at 10:19 AM
Tee, last 3 years yard per attempt for Orton were 6.4, 7.0, and 7.3. Looks like better than Henne don't you think.
Posted by: Michael | July 30, 2011 at 10:20 AM
Poizen,
Thanks for staying with us. You are very respectful on this blog. And respected. Good stuff pal.
Posted by: Best there is, Was, And ever will be. | July 30, 2011 at 10:21 AM
I still feel, even when orton gets here, or If", Henne ha a good chance of beating him for the job.
Posted by: Poizen | July 30, 2011 at 10:21 AM
After further review, Orton has never appeared in a playoff game. Is that what many of you really want to give up at least a second round for?
Posted by: JB | July 30, 2011 at 10:21 AM
Thanks Best... I will stick around, most of you are good to talk and debate with.
Posted by: Poizen | July 30, 2011 at 10:22 AM
how come everytime ireland makes a move the team gets weaker????? no real qb competition again???? gave away our fs amaya for a part time player who misses alot of games???? reggie bush is the celeb ross wanted to sell seats.
Posted by: greg z. | July 30, 2011 at 10:24 AM
What time does practice start?
Posted by: Poizen | July 30, 2011 at 10:25 AM
Jake Delhomme has appeared in several playoff games, would you rather have him. As I said football is an ultimate team game without a defense you're not going to appear in the playoff's. And Denver's defense has been terrible.
Posted by: Michael | July 30, 2011 at 10:25 AM
Mando-
You say the deal for Orton isn't dead but doesn't the $1.5 million roster bonus he received complicate things even further?
Posted by: redbank32 | July 30, 2011 at 10:26 AM
I am not so sure that YB is over the hill. You have to slow those very fast TE's at the line and Misi did a poor job of that last year.
Posted by: oscar canosa | July 30, 2011 at 10:26 AM
If I had to take a guess, I would say probably mist of the teams looked twrrible in their first practice yesterday after a lengthy lockout. Plus the Jets got screwed yesterday, so it WAS a good day!!
Posted by: bobbyd12 | July 30, 2011 at 10:27 AM
Poizen,
11:am, Did we sign Gates yet ?
Posted by: Best there is, Was, And ever will be. | July 30, 2011 at 10:27 AM
Michael, you have a great point, The same point should be given when reviewing Henne's resume of work, especially last year.
And we were close in many games, refs took the Pitt game from us.
Just sayin, Henne NEEDS to get better, but last year the o-line and coaching are a distant 1 and 2 of our problems.
Posted by: Poizen | July 30, 2011 at 10:27 AM
Michael,
they indeed do look better but lets consider for a moment the last 3 years were Ortons 4th, 5th and 6th year in the league and Hennes first three. Did not play the first, wasn't intended to play the 2nd and I mean really we were just bad all around last year on the offensive side of the ball.
Again, I am NOT opposed to bringing in Orton but to acually think he is our franchise QB for the next 5 years is laughable, almost as laughable as what we would possibly have to give up to get him.
Posted by: Tee | July 30, 2011 at 10:31 AM
IMO
the pats - an organisation i and many others respect and teams aspire to emulate
bb regarded as one of the finest hc's of all , his coaches and attitude held in high esteem
tom brady always voted top 5 qb at the very least
why?
sustained success,
also the pats ability to turn has beens into their former selves
will this last forever
NO!
The pats r not improving -they r not winning sb's they're struggling in the postseason
so-
whilst there is every likelihood that those 2 naughty children he has taken under his wing will behave like angels it is just POSSIBLE that the magic will start to run out
he's taking bigger risks than usual , bordering on reaching because of their postseason failures
talk is cheap, this time of the year its easy
BUT
if we and other teams can get to the qb and imp the d just a little,IMO this is the season that the pats do not go 14-2 but only 10-6 and begin their return to the chamber of mediocraty
so sayeth the wolf
Posted by: The wolf (carcase), icu, terminal starvation | July 30, 2011 at 10:32 AM
If you watch tape on Matt Moore you will realize that he is much beter than Henne was last year(goes very well through his progressions, quick set up and release, etc.). No Orton, I believe.
Posted by: oscar canosa | July 30, 2011 at 10:32 AM
Brian Brohm would have better choice than Matt Moore. That just tells you how bad that choice was. Of all people why Matt Moore ?
Posted by: Best there is, Was, And ever will be. | July 30, 2011 at 10:33 AM
Mando,
Any news on signing Pouncy? I thought the new CBA had an rookie salery cap. How hard could it be to sign your first rounder when there is a limit to what they get!
Posted by: dbmfins | July 30, 2011 at 10:34 AM
Dd
Posted by: bobbyd12 | July 30, 2011 at 10:35 AM
Tee the Dolphin defense allowed 20 points per game last year. A full 10 points per game better than Denver. The defense kept the Dolphins in games last year. Henne was TERRIBLE in the last 2 minutes last year.
Posted by: Michael | July 30, 2011 at 10:37 AM
Mando what do you think the posibility of going after Miller or a big wide out like Malcolm Flloyd or Randy are? Think i m in the severe minority ok with the QBs Henne has this season to prove it and if not what ever no one out there has the skill set to pass the Jets or Pats if Chad cannt. Then get Landry Jones or nick Foles and off to the races with our stud. The 6th QB next season will be better than the top 5 this yr combined
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Posted by: jamesthefinfan | July 30, 2011 at 10:40 AM
Micahael, you are right about henne in the last 2 minutes.
But what your not acknowledging is that Ortons o-coord let his qb play naturally.
It was b marshall, d bess and even ricky that said coaching tried to control all that henne did and did not let him play naturally, wouldt that indicate in the last 2 minutes they even tightened the muse on him?
Not saying that IS the case, but really could be....
Posted by: Poizen | July 30, 2011 at 10:42 AM
I'm not opposed to starting Henne, and I think going out and getting another impact receiver would help Henne. I'm not a big Edward fan, but he, or Floyd would really help him. And I'm a Hartline fan, his speed is underrated, he's a 4.45 40 guy, that's not slow by any means. In fact that's really pretty good speed.
Posted by: Michael | July 30, 2011 at 10:43 AM
Dude I don't dispute Hennes problems last year, the entire offensive unit was a joke last year. Everyone knows that, we built this team to be a rushing beast and we couldn't even run the freaking ball! We ran the DUMBEST plays I can ever remember seeing anyone run. How many 2nd and 10s to go did I end up seeing become 3rd and 12s because we bust out a wildcat play? Then put Henne in a crap spot to try and get us out of it but dont actually call a play that goes over 10 yards. Sure Henne struggled and he looked lost at times. Short of P MANNING there isnt another QB in this league that would have flourished in our offense last year.
Posted by: Tee | July 30, 2011 at 10:44 AM
I think we are straight on the reciever front, I like our WRs. A big play TE would be nice.
Posted by: Tee | July 30, 2011 at 10:46 AM
can someone tell me how henne looked yesterday? did he miss many passes? Mando what kind of blogging is this that you don't give us details about the practices
Posted by: boulderfinfan | July 30, 2011 at 10:47 AM
Matt, I heard the Dolphins sent S Jonathan Amaya to New Orleans PLUS undisclosed multiple draft picks. I heard to sixths, one in 2012 and another in 2013 but that is not confirmed.
Why don't the Dolphins announce it?
IDK. Pretty dumb.
Posted by: Armando Salguero | July 30, 2011 at 10:52 AM
IDK?
Pretty Dumb?
Oh Geez, here we go again................
Posted by: odinseye | July 30, 2011 at 10:57 AM
What's the deal with Malcolm Floyd any chance we might go after him????
Posted by: steve | July 30, 2011 at 10:59 AM
Boulderphinfan,
Henne was average. Nothing more. I give him a break because he doesn't have his full compliment of weapons.
He's also not fully versed in the offense.
Posted by: Armando Salguero | July 30, 2011 at 11:01 AM
Asomugha to the Eagles (instead of the Jets) was the best trade we could get yesterday afternoon. Let's wait and see if the Broncos can afford Orton, since Mike Brown won't deal Palmer. If nothing gets done, we could get Andrew Luck next year with the first overall pick...
Posted by: Pablo | July 30, 2011 at 11:01 AM
WOW, one of our best special teams players and two 6's?
and we could of had sproles for loosing no picks?
I like the Bush move, but far less now if that is true.
Posted by: Poizen | July 30, 2011 at 11:02 AM
Thanks for the update on Henne, Mando
Posted by: Poizen | July 30, 2011 at 11:03 AM
Even if henne was sub-par at best. That doesn't excuses his emotionless, robotic play... We need a clear leader that has a voice at the very least.
Posted by: nfamuz iron man | July 30, 2011 at 11:04 AM
the rooks all have a base pay level but the guaranteed money and bonus can be negotiated within a slot of sorts. still not too much room to haggle and he should be signed real soon - i bet pouncy will practice today or tomorrow.
Posted by: scott alderson | July 30, 2011 at 11:05 AM
The Dolphins are on the field.
Posted by: Armando Salguero | July 30, 2011 at 11:06 AM
ugh, robotic play is a rsult of a player not playing naturally and trying to play like someone is telling you to.
His leadership skills have improved dramatically according to others at the voluntary workouts.
Posted by: Poizen | July 30, 2011 at 11:06 AM
Jake Long will not be practicing again today.
Posted by: Armando Salguero | July 30, 2011 at 11:06 AM
Let's put things in perspective, most 6th rounder don't make the team, and Amaya wasn't going to beat out any of our safeties. How many 6th rounders the the Dolphins picked are still with the team.
Posted by: Michael | July 30, 2011 at 11:06 AM
Wow indeed!
It's our second day of training camp and people keep on babbling about Andrew Luck.
We'll have all off season for that, GEEZ!
Get in the GAME PEOPLE!!!!
Posted by: odinseye | July 30, 2011 at 11:06 AM
Henne has the physical tools to be a great qb. Seems to me Henne's greatest problem is between the ears. Doesnt seem he really believes he can be a great qb.
Until he truly believes in his own abilities henne may always be a qb with great tools and of average abilities and perfomances. Even totally stinking up a joint at times.
Does this remind you of a guy we already know?
Posted by: DyingBreed | July 30, 2011 at 11:07 AM
Nate Garner, Kory Sheets, Lydon Murtha are present but cannot practice for CBA reasons.
Posted by: Armando Salguero | July 30, 2011 at 11:08 AM
Hey guys, some of ya'll have compared Henne to Brees their first 3 years. Here's something to think about. Compare Orton's first 3 years to Henne's and see who was better. All I'm saying, Orton like most QB's, the light does not come on until their 4th year. Therefore, I say give Henne a chance.
Posted by: Ace from Texas | July 30, 2011 at 11:09 AM
Lex Hilliard is also here but cannot practice.
Posted by: Armando Salguero | July 30, 2011 at 11:09 AM
Db, you make a great point, but we have no clue if he believes it yet, he had two seasons and lst year in a failed system.
That is why he does not deserve the bashing YET. This year if he poops the bed, let him have it.
Now, give him chance... good post db.
Posted by: Poizen | July 30, 2011 at 11:09 AM
If we manage to grab Miller and Huff with the aquisitions we already got with Burnett and Bush I would have considered this an amazing FA for us
Posted by: LoboNoches | July 30, 2011 at 11:10 AM
Armando,
You gave us very little practice news then bailed on us early yesterday. Will today be a repeat performance from you?
Posted by: DyingBreed | July 30, 2011 at 11:10 AM
Mando, any other QBs on the radar? Flynn?
Posted by: dishpan | July 30, 2011 at 11:10 AM
Is their truth to us trading hilliard? If so we need to sign Brown, I think we need Brown now... :)
Posted by: Poizen | July 30, 2011 at 11:12 AM
Forget Luck, first if the Dolphins tank the season it a slap to the face of anyone who bought a ticket, and the reputation of the team. Second there are too many teams that are just worse than the phins that have a better chance for the number 1 pick, how would you like to be a Denver, Buffalo, Jacksonville, Carolina, Seattle, Cincinnati, or Oakland fans.
Posted by: Michael | July 30, 2011 at 11:12 AM
Agreed Poizen. When healthy, me likey Ronnie B
Posted by: dishpan | July 30, 2011 at 11:12 AM
Dishpan please no more unproven qb's. Im still having AJ Feeley nightmares!
Posted by: DyingBreed | July 30, 2011 at 11:13 AM
Clyde Gates is not on the field.
Posted by: Armando Salguero | July 30, 2011 at 11:13 AM
thank you mando. I bet the offense will look better next week.
Posted by: boulderfinfan | July 30, 2011 at 11:13 AM
Lol, DB. So you're saying don't bring in Beck for another go?
Posted by: dishpan | July 30, 2011 at 11:14 AM
Poizen,
Trade Hilliard? what would we get for him, a jar of butterflies?
Posted by: DyingBreed | July 30, 2011 at 11:14 AM
dishpan,
Please no Beck. Shanahan's talking him up for trade value. I wont believe Beck can become a nfl star qb until I see it with my own eyes. LOL...
Posted by: DyingBreed | July 30, 2011 at 11:16 AM
I must say Brandon Marshall looks trim.
Posted by: Armando Salguero | July 30, 2011 at 11:16 AM