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Orton trade situation might last until Aug. 4

The Kyle Orton trade situation is a stare-down.

The Dolphins and the Denver Broncos both want to complete a trade involving the quarterback but have been unable to do so for reasons that apparently include compensation. There are reports the Broncos and Dolphins have not been able to get together on trade compensation, with the Broncos obviously asking higher compensation than the Dolphins are willing to pay. There is at least one report saying the Dolphins and the Orton camp has not been able to agree to a restructured contract.

Stare. Down.

And the in the meantime, Orton was on the field and took first-team reps with the Broncos today as their training camp got underway.

"He's under contract with us. I can't speak to the future," Denver coach John Fox said when asked of Orton's status. "At this point Kyle Orton's on our team. He's under contract and you watched practice, you saw where he was."

As I tweeted earlier, that has to feel awkward!

It would also feel awkward if Friday comes around, the Dolphins are on the field the first time for their opening of 2011 camp, and quarterback Chad Henne is taking first-team snaps while everyone knows the Dolphins are aggressively trying to replace him.

But, if the NFL calendar is to be believed, awkward might be the order of the day in this stare down at least until Aug. 4 -- a full week from today. The official calendar is here.

According to the NFL calendar, teams don't have to be at or below the 2011 salary cap until 4:01 p.m. (east coast time). That is the first day of the new league year.

That is also midnight in the Kyle Orton saga.

Why?

Well, one of the reasons the Broncos have put Orton on the trade block is to clear cap space. The Denver Post has reported the Broncos have nearly $128 million in salary cap commitments for 2011. That's bad considering the cap is $120.3 million. Orton counts a whopping $8.9 million of that.

That's not a problem today because the Broncos don't have to be under the cap right now. That is a problem starting Aug. 4 when the team must be at or under the cap.

The problem would be solved if the Broncos intended to keep Orton as their so-called quarterback of the future. They would simply give him a new multi-year contract that is more cap friendly. But they are clearly not doing that. They are not going to add years to the final year of his contract.

So they have to trade him or simply cut him by Aug. 4.

The Dolphins know this. So they are doing the wise thing. They are being patient. It is the wise thing to do in order not to mortgage the future by giving up a higher draft pick, assuming that's the holdup.

And if that makes the situation feel awkward in the meantime? So be it.

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DD, on the prior blog a poster (sorry forget who) cited a Denver paper report that claimed Denver covets Langford and possibly Starks. I think this is probably true because of the mcDaniel signing and the phins expecting to lose a DE. There are not enough snaps for 5 good DEs, I don't think.

I like langfordand he is a superior player to Orton in relation to their positions but a 15th rated QB is much more important than a very good DE - especially when your incumbent starter was the 26th rated QB last year and didn't draft anyone to push him.

I would not add a draft pick though.

Denver will get rid of Orton, if not by a trade with Miami, they will release him.

I'm thinking Denver wants to bring in Delhomme as their back-up, after all, wasn't John Fox his coach in Carolina a few years back?

If they do keep Orton, I'm betting Miami goes after Delhomme, but I don't see that happening, John Fox wants Delhomme for his leadership and veteran presence/influence on Tebow, plus he knows him from their days in Carolina.

Montreal, I hope I do not start getting thes insults.

But, I also feel Henne has all the ability to beat out Orton.

But Poizen, does henne have the toolbox to keep those tools in order? he looked scared and messed up last year.

would this be as 'awkward' as when droopy dog wooed Harbaugh to be the head coach by throwing millions at him while fist pump was still the head coach?

Interesting story in the Denver Post regarding Orton. States the hang up is more about Orton's contract than trade compensation.

http://www.denverpost.com/sports/ci_18568906

Poizen, I would never insult you...Not my type to insult anyone, as a matter of fact...I've had a lot of good exchanges with everyone here...Always a lot of fun...

Mark in Toronto, Henne did look that way last year, I think it all had to do with Henning. Henne took the reigns this year during the player-led work outs, I think that built a relationship with the team and built his confidence up, especially with a new playbook...

...and he does have the "Toolbox" IMO.

Thats not so hard to believe Utdolfan, Bottom Line orton will not GET what he wants either way you look at it!!!

Wet, a better henne will be a boon whether or not this team gets another QB. Honestly, even if he doesn't improve at all - the only Qb i see capable of beating him out is Orton. I think VY is at best a lateral move.

Poizen, you misread my post. I didn't say anything about your love of Henne. That's well documented. And actually, right now, he's all we got. Plus I'm thinking he's the most likely candidate for the starting position, so we're probably more like-minded on Henne right now then ever in the last year.

My point was how bad an idea it would be to get Delhomme. No, I don't want to overpay for Orton either, but at the same time, if we DID bring in a QB (which we need to since we don't have an adequate backup), I think we need to bring in someone who would actually compete against Henne for the starting role.

My point was there's absolutely, 100% NO WAY any intelligent Coach would start an over-the-hill mediocre QB for a young, mediocre QB. There's just no point to it, they're both the same guy (except Henne is younger, and has been the starter on this team, so he'd have the upper hand). So to me, Delhomme is the very last choice this team would want to make (only if they can't get anyone with a pulse and only to fill the backup position, not compete against Henne, because, I don't think he's any competition whatsoever).

That's the point I was making.

With each day Henne is the starter in camp, it's less likely any QB will be able to come in and really compete against him. So everyone keep that in mind. Just because Penny did it doesn't mean anyone else can.

I think if you can't get it done with Orton by this weekend, move on to VY, see what happens with that.

Apparently now the Texans are the favorites to land Asomugha...

By the way out of town fans, anyone with a smartphone, well worth it to download the free iheartradio app at iheartradio.com. I'm listening to 940 WINZ out of Miami right now. keeps you up to the second on local info.

HENNE WILL BE QB IN THE RANG OF 7-9 MILLION A YEAR........

IF KOLB CAN MAKE 63 MILLION IN 5 YEARS W/20 MILLION GUARANTEED AFTER WINNING ONLY 3 GAMES IN THE NFL ,HENNE WILL BE WISE TO FORGET ALL CIRCUS AROUND HIM AND JUST PLAY IT SAVE AND NEXT YEAR HE WILL BE A MILLINORE .

Best news of the day Montreal @ 4:06, hope they get him.

# 1 FAN IN MONTREAL.............. YOU JUST LIED TO ALL OF US ,YOU JUST INSULTED GRAIG M ..........


How could anyone in their right mind say they would rather have vince young over kyle orton? Vince young may have been heisman man in college but lacks the leadership and mental strength to lead an nfl team fact. Not to mention kyle orton re-uniting with brandon marshall makes more sense than bringing vince young into a brand new team. Orton is worth the $ and worth the wait. As a die hard fin fan i truly believe qb is one of the last positinos we r weak and i have to believe that kyle orton is mountains ahead of v. young when it comes to solving that problem ps. chad henne is a dreadful qb and i hope no one on this board would argue otherwise...we need an upgrade!

If the Fins give up anything more then a 4th or 5th round pick they are stupid. Just wait till he gets released and then get Orton for nothing. If some other team pick up Orton then we can just pick up Vince Young instead.

The years of us giving out 2nd round picks for average quarterbacks are over. No more Feely picks or Culpepper dead beats!

I hope Ireland stands his ground and waits. Denver will eventually give in. They can't afford to pay 3 QB's on their roster!

Aloco, Craig M has insulted more people here than I can count..I just told him what a lot of people here really feel...No big deal..

um...that cap info is wrong...the broncos are well under the cap and willing to keep orton if necessary

DC, I wouldn't count the Jets out of it just yet...Apparently Asomugha wants to play for the Jets...

JUST JOKING W/YOU MONTREAL................


GRIAG M HAS THE GIFT OF ANNOYING BLOGGERS EVERY WHERE .

Vince Young officially released.

Is Zach Miller a UFA or not?? Not sure anymore...

ALoco, annoying is a very kind word as far as I'm concerned...

RELEASED FROM JAIL ?

Mark in toronto.

I am one of those guys that feels very confident Henne has the tools, and knows how to use them. (sounded dirty)

Henning was a control freak problem, The bigger problem was th O-line.

Look, everyone dismisses this example for Henne but it truly is something to consider before judging him.

Henne last year againse Green Bay.

Green Bay's D was decimated with injuries, They had Hawk and 3 out of their 4 starting D linemen. But Mathews was out, a starting saftey and other outside linebacker.

So I admit Green Bay's D was in shambles... But what did that do? Made protecting easier for our O-line which also had some issues.

Henne looked like a pro bowl QB. What is the point?


The point is, If you get a solid line for this guy and consistant time, he can make plays. He did all game.

PEOPLE WHO HAS THE GIFT TO ANNOY PEOPLE ON THIS BLOG ;;;;;;;;;

ANY ONE CAN LIST THEIR CHOICES BUT FOR ME ;;;;;;;;;

I WAIT FOR OTHERS .

Henne made plays under pressure that game also, because he found a rythem. Seriously... Watch it.

He also has had sparks in games where his protection sucked...

Poizen, I can see your point. I think henne is better than what he showed last year and I haven't given up but like DD and DC say, I won't just hand him the job. And i don't want to see a retread has been come in to compete. That's a farce. I want a real threat. And the biggest threat is orton. VY is a mild threat but I think he sucks rocks and Henne is at least as good even at his worst.

POIZEN.......... GREAT POST ABOUT HENNE ........


I HOPE HE NEVER TALKS TO THE MEDIA UNTIL HE MAKES A 9 MILLION A YEAR .

I agree in not handing him the job, I want someone that can compete and make him earn it also.

Just not VY. :)

Arizona is stone cold crazy or they must have crazy conviction. The trade is DRC AND a 2nd pick plus a huge contract - WOWSERS!

TIME FOR MY CHICKEN PARM SUB .

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Gotcha Dolfans

Bring Vince Young

That is a crap load of money for Kolb, he is way unproven. I like the way he plays football and his potential... But I could not see paying that with the resume he has.

Is our defense complete? Anyone heard ANYTHING about the defensive side of the ball? Is that a sign that Nolan is happy with his squad? Or are Ireland/Sparano so scared for their job that they're trying to do ANYTHING to bring exciting offense to Miami?

Mark in Toronto, I usually agree with you on pretty much everything but I have to say I have a completely different opinion about Vince Young. A QB who sucks rocks can not have a 30-17 record in the NFL. Now is he perfect? Of course not. Is he a risk? Sure he is. But the one thing he's always done is win. Honestly, that's all I care about is winning. And he could be picked up for nothing, unlike Orton. But that's just one man's opinion.

Not that I'm hating on improving the offense, that's my dream. Just I don't want a repeat of '09, when the offense was ok and the defense was lousy. We need to be strong on both sides of the ball. Yes, there are less holes to fill on defense, but still, there are some holes.

DC Dolfan, excellent point. We still need a pass rusher. Misi is OK, but we clearly need someone else. Adding depth at the FS position wouldn't hurt either...

I hope this deal falls through. Giving up picks to get orton is a huge mistake.
Mando already assumes that if orton is signed he'll start for Miami. I really think henne has a chance to win the competition.

Montreal, us fans have no patience. It's only 1 day into FA and we're already clamoring for EVERY hole to be filled. LOL! Ok, I guess we need to breathe and give Ireland a chance to do his job. Things are moving quick though, he needs to stay on top of all the pieces on the board at once.

I will drop the VY comments I have made the last few days.

Beyond the mental issues I worry about. VY, if you remember when he joined Tenessee, stuggled with the play book, to a point if I remember that they could not start him. I think Volek or someone had to start, and that is what initially pissed Fischer off.

If that is true, bringing him here as an athlete may be OK, but he may not compete fast enough with henne for the QB position. Then how long do we sign him?

Correct me if I am wrong, this is just memory I am working on and could be wrong... So I am trying to find a reason to maybe like VY coming here.

Vince Young has maturity issues which is my Biggest concern him, the ? is can he start over after Tenn and go out there and truly compete for a starting gig.....as mobile as he is. Young is not a good pocket passer and that is one of his glaring weaknesses.....

Vince Young has maturity issues which is my Biggest concern with him, the ? is can he start over after Tenn and go out there and truly compete for a starting gig.....as mobile as he is. Young is not a good pocket passer and that is one of his glaring weaknesses.....

I will look at this tonight, good conversation as always, Im out,,, Have a great night all...

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HOW IN HELL KOLB GETS 63 MILLION 5 YEARS CONTRACT W/3 WINS IN THE NFL AND HENNE IS GETTING 233 DOLLARS A YEAR AND SOME FAN AREN'T HAPPY WITH HIM ?

titans just cut VY

Why does the donkeys have Orton practicing, if it's about his contract?

I bet the hang up starts with the donkeys.

Montreal, like I heard someone say yesterday. If you invested a 3rd overall pick in a QB, he compiles a 30-17 record, he's a gamebreaker, why would you look to get rid of him so eagerly? Especially when the owner was his biggest fan to begin with and now he ok's the move?

His passing stats have never been impressive, despite his record and he doesn't have a 2,000 yard rusher to hand the ball off to here. I don't think he's any better than the henne of 2010.

Poizen, you just stated the reason to like him. A) he's not likely to beat Henne for the starting position. Everything you've said since Dec. is Henne will rebound. So this would ensure that he gets that chance. He gets just enough competition for Sparano to say he earned the starting position, and then he'll have a chance to show improvement.

B) unlike Delhomme, if Henne gets hurt or leaves the game, us fans won't turn the TV since we'll know Delhomme has about a 0% chance to win a game for you. But VY can/has and would give the team a spark and the hope to win. He's a better version of Tyler Thigpen. You can do different things with him, what with his mobility and all that. He'll be able to overcome bad snaps, bad plays, communication issues.

VY someway, somehow, wins. And that's a great trait for a backup. Really adds insurance that things won't just crash and burn if your starter gets hurt.

How much better does Henne have to be in 2011, I think we have seen the best Orton can be, so how much better guys?

If he improves 10%, 15%, 20%, he is better then Orton, right? I know he is now in his 4th year, but last year was his 2nd full year, and he struggled, that happens quite a bit. Yes dear in head lights, I remember Bess as a dear in headlights in SD, and they had a pretty darn good team then

That is the question we should be asking. I personally think he will improve this year, last year was a mess across the board

Go sign an OG, TE and either Bulger or Young, and stop wasting time on this

Here's a question, does anyone here really still believe Miami is NOT looking to replace Henne at this point? Orton is about the only guy who can challenge & start ahead of him.

I don't think it's a coincidence! What say you?

Sorry BREES, not Bess

superPHIN, we're supposed to have a very good pocket passer right now in Henne...How is that working out for him? I mean I agree with you Young will never be Dan Marino in the pocket, but I think he can get it done...Anyway, talking about Young is pretty much a waste of time now cause it's quite obvious Ireland has zero interest...Unless someone heard otherwise...

So what if orton comes here, what then....is that it???do they really think bush and orton are the missing pieces we must have to compete for a title cuz im hearing nothing else in terms of free agents out there that miamis even reaching out to in terms of interest.....please tell me we arent resting our hopes that injury prone Bush and fallback plan orton are our only moves for free agency plans!!!

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