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Two thoughts on adding another QB (Pryor), RB (White?)

Sometime around 2 p.m. this afternoon, the NFL supplemental draft will have come and gone and we will know if the Dolphins made a fanciful reach for Terrelle Pryor or not.

As I have reported here, the Dolphins were among the 14-18 teams that attended Pryor's Pro Day workout in Pittsburgh over the weekend. Makes sense. The Dolphins need a young quarterback in the pipeline for the future.

And let me give you some present-day perspective: The Dolphins could use a No. 3 QB to use in wildcat work this year. That means if the Dolphins invest a middle to late-round pick on Pryor, they can use his 4.38-4.41 speed, his 6-5 and 238-pound frame and whatever limited passing skills he has as their Wildcat triggerman.

And then they could obviously try to develop him as a full-time QB down the road. Waaaaay down the road, given his questionable accuracy and footwork.

On the running back front, the Dolphins need to be searching for help at running back. Specifically, the team needs to be looking for a short-yardage back. For proof of this need you need only look back to Friday's 20-10 preseason victory over Carolina.

The Dolphins had a first-and-goal from 1 yard line against Carolina. And they didn't bang it in on a give to rookie Daniel Thomas on first down. They didn't score on a give to Thomas on second down. They didn't score on a give to Lex Hilliard on third down.

Hilliard finally got the job done on fourth down.

That's good. And bad.

Thomas, frankly, looked tentative on his goal line runs. He didn't look at all like a downhill runner. Hilliard dove both times.

The Dolphins need a plowhorse to bully his way into the end zone.

I suppose they could try Lousaka Polite in such situations during the regular season. But we don't know for sure that Polite will be on the team in the regular seaosn. I don't think 203-pound Reggie Bush is the answer, either.

The Dolphins need to explore adding a big running back.

Lendale White? He makes some sense since he was in that role for the Tennessee Titans in 2008 when scored 15 times. He's been in trouble since then -- he was suspended four games in 2010. He also suffered a torn achilles'' tendon in 2010. And the 235-pounder has been known to weigh 260-pounds during his time.

White is available as he was cut by the Denver Broncos a couple of weeks ago.

Anyway, just stay aware on this -- not so much White, but the need for a big, strong back near the goal line.

There's obviously other avenues for the Dolphins to pursue to address this issue. Dozens of running backs -- several of them of the downhill runner variety -- will come available when teams trim their roster in the coming weeks.

Meanwhile, the bigger issue this raises is why did Thomas seem so tentative in his run at the end zone? He's 230 pounds. He's supposed to be a downhill back. Hmmm.

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hey

FIFRST AND SECOND

I WANT THAT LB OUT OF UNC MCADOO.

WE HAVE A HALL OF FAMER IN THE MAKING

ARMANDO:

YOU OVER REACT TOO MUCH

LOOKW WAY BACK AT THAT SAME GAME WHE THOMAS RAN FOR HIS TD.

FROM ABOUT 3 YARDS OUT HE PUSHED THE PILE.

BUT YOU ONLY FOCUS ON THE BAD.

how does this sup. draft work?

i know it goes in draft order from last year,right. but do they call each teamover and over............

I would be shocked if we gave more than a 6th round pick for Pryor, actually I'm thinking a 7th would be ok. My 2cents.

Maybe the offensive line needs to jell and give Thomas some opening. All teams stack the middle on a goal line situation. It's too early to say Thomas and Hilliard can't do it.

WE NEEDED PLAX OR EDWARDS OR BREASTON OR EVENS.

WE COULD HAVE USED ZACK MILLER,SHOCKY, OLSEN.

JEFF'S JOB IS TO MAKE THIS TEAM BETTER AND IT SEEMS TO ME HE'S ALWAYS TWO STEPS TOO SLOW.

YOU ON THE OTHER HAND IS STILL CRYING FOR A QB.

I TOLD YOU BEFORE THE DRAFT IT WAS GOING TO BE HENNE.

THE FUNNY THING IS THAT YOUR IN THEIR FACE AND STILL CAN'T SEE WHAT'S GOING ON.

I'M IN JERSEY AND I CAN SEE MORE.

EXAPMLE.

YOU WANTED A NOSE TACKLE I SAID AT THE END OF THAT YEAR IT WOULD BE PAUL JOB FROM NOW ON.

I WANTED BRANDON.

I SAID A FIRST ROUND OR TWO TWOS.

YOU SAID IT WASN'T GOING TO HAPPEN BECAUSE BP DIDN'T LIKE DIVAS.

AFTER THE 11 WIN SEASON I TOLD EVERYBODY TO CALM DOWN.

EVERYONE WAS SO HAPPY THAT WHEN WE WENT FROM 11 WINS TO 7 WINS NOBODY WANTED TO HEAR THAT.

I HAVE BEEN TELLING ALL OF YOU FROM THE SECOND CHAD GOT UNDER CENTER HE HAD TO GROW UP.

THE GAMES WE LOST THOSE LAST TWO YEARS WEREN'T HIS FAULT.

THIS COACHING STAFF RUN WHAT THEY WANT TO RUN.

THEY DON'T KNOW HOW TO CALL PLAYS TO CATER TO THIER PERSONEL.

THAT'S WHY CHAD AND BRANDON HAS HAD SUCH A BAD YEAR LAST YEAR. AND I STILL THINK IT WAS O.K

I KNOW I SAY EVERY YEAR THAT WE WILL WHEN 11 GAMES.

I'M NOT GRET AT PICKING WINS AND LOSES BUT I CAN SEE THE PLAYOFFS FOR AT LEAST THE NEXT 5 YEARS.

Gunther, it's a blind draw so each team submits a card with a player and the round. The team that bids the highest draft choice using last year's draft order gets the player.

Vann, I don't think Pryor will make it past the 3rd round and I would even go as far as to say some team will take a flyer in the 2nd. It's not really a stretch... If Pryor had stayed in school he would have gone in the 1st or 2nd round next year. No matter how much people don't like him, it's a player acquisition business and a talent like Pryor doesn't come along often.

I would give a 3rd round bid for him. He will turn into perfect trade bait at the very least.

On Pryor think Brad Smith with more size , speed and athleticism. Situational wildcat, receiver, kick returner. If we were interested in Smith as a FA why not Pryor for a 6th.? Upside value for future trade is better than a 6th!

pryor will probabaly take a 4th; maybe a 5th.

Why not just give Hilliard the ball? I don't see why they need to add another RB simply for goal-line runs. They have 2 big backs on the roster already.

With their job on the line, I don't see them going after Pryor....he's just going to be able to help them this year.

Thomas? I didn't like the choice from jump.

Meant NOT going to help this year

I would give a 4th round pick for Pryor. He is an athlete. He can be a versatile playmaker in the 2nd half of 2011 (not at QB). Let him be a Brad Smith type player for the 9 games you have him this year.

Let him be your 3rd QB this year and learn the system. Give him the offseason to see how he develops.

The Fins will do pretty well this year with the team they have. A 4th round pick is worth the shot on Pryor. If he develops into a 1st/2nd QB it was worth the pick. If he turns into a Brad Smith it was worth the pick.

Teams have to take chances. This Athlete is worth the chance.

No it is not last years draft order.
It's a weighted system like the NBA lottery.
The top six are in the first pool so Carolina can"t drop lower than 6th then I believe their are two other weighted pools than can end up in and order, whithin their group.
The Highest Miami can draft is 7th, I think.

I told many here than Thomas was not good and didn't deserve to be chosen at that slot. Upright runner...stiff...can't avoid....slow of foot..doesn't break tackles...why did we draft him??? He doesn't do any thing well. There were multiple backs that went after him and a few picks before him that would have made our offense much better.

As for our receiving core....it's smoke and mirrors. Marshall still looks goofy after the catch...falling...slipping...off balance...can't get away from any one. Still looks slow for all the off season work on speed. We needed Plax or Edwards for sure...Marshall can't stretch the field...Bess is still a no. 3 wr and Hartline isn't the answer. Gates can't get off the jam.

Get Pryor....cut Devlin or O'connell.

draft order

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/08/18/supplemental-draft-order-is-determined-as-always-by-a-lottery/

HILLIARD is the better running back anyway, so we're set at running back as long as HILLIARD is on the team.

Odinseye is on crack and talking in circles again! LMAO!!!

Kevin Smith is still out there

JUSTIN CREDIBLE....stupid blogger of the day...

Nice crop of QBs coming out next year, why take a shot on Pryor?? Also, Polite was like what, 30 out of 34 in one yard or less situations? I don't understand why he would not make the team. Daniel Thomas will be just fine.

I did not think Thomas was tentative.

bobby's right, I think Daboll didn't give to Polite because that's who would get the ball during the season, so why tip off opposing teams (even though they should all know that's who'd get the ball in short down and distance). And NO to Pryor. Geesh. You got a bunch of mediocre and project QBs on the team already, why add another one? Use what you have this year, and then see what Henne gives you at the end of the season and get a QB of the future (if needed) next Draft.

It's time to start rallying around the team we have (as far as the GM is concerned). Yeah, look for your acorns, but forget the Wildcat and perfect Daboll's new, more explosive offense.

Fact. Gates is a rookie from rinky dink school. henne is communicating with everyone. I am sure he is communicating with gates as well cus they know if they want to beat good teams, they need his big play ability.

That is opinion, but one based on everything else in this offense is much better than henning ball. That is a fact.

I say keep Polite on the 53. He is very important on short stuff and if anything, insurance for Clay should he get hurt. duh.

what about the other players in the sup. no one mentioned any of them.

Pryor is a fast athlete. The miami dolphins need all those type players they can get. We cut most of our players after the second draft spot most times anyway. So why not take a fourth or fifth round shot.

The last time I was this confused about our Dolphins was the Year Pennington came to town. We made the playoffs. Maybe again this year.

One thing for sure Ireland and Sparano have been given their shot. The big question is how close to the bulls eye it will land.

Go Dolphins!! The roller coaster is what makes it fun.

gman, not sure why Mando said that. I haven't seen ANYTHING from Clay to explain why he'd be on the team and Polite cut. Polite is good at what he does. Plus, I think he might have worked on his deficiency (blocking) this camp, so he should be better than he has been in the past. I think he's a definite keeper.

Pryor = the next Pat White

Pryor = next Vince Young

thank God armando isn't the head coach of this team. one preseason game where they have trouble, once, in goal-line offense and he goes into panic mode. give it a break.

I don't know what game some of you watched and still bitching. All of our receivers can produce in this offense. It's a tree with Brandon and Bess underneath. We missed 3 or 4 deep passes. When the last time you seen us get pass defenders with ease for 2 games straight. Hell when the last time you seen us use 5 WIDE. Game should have been 30 something to 10. This offense is going to produce yards no doubt. Clean up the goal line personnel and deep balls, the points will come.

QB-Patrick Devlin is going to be the future of this franchise don't cut him loose. On the RB issue, look at how Legarrete Blount turned-out for the Buc's, take a chance you'll never know how thing's turn-out until you take the chance!

Let's just call Mando, glass half-empty. The guy is a complete Downer.

dude, after 3 downs you're ready to get a new RB? They'll be fine. I kinda like our RBs right now. I think hilliard is that big back you want. He can plow and really at that time they should have given it to polite.

Please don't pick up Pryor. He reminds me of Pat White except bigger, but hasn't had as much success or played as much as Pat did in college.

If you can't use Pryor for a QB, you can sure use him as a WR. He has speed and can run a 4.3 40 yrd dash and he says he's willing to switch positions...but, I wouldn't give no more than a 3rd or 4th rounder in return !

Wildcat?!

Oh Jesus...please don't babble and drool for a premeditated return for that broken cart...

Maybe the reason Thomas was tentative is because there absolutely no hole to hit. The Dolphins was pushed back on 4 attempts from the one by Carolina and were lucky that Hilliard could dive over the pack on 4th down. At least that is what I saw. No holes.

To not give the ball to Lousaka Polite 3 times on the goaline is absolutely ridiculous. HE is our short yardage guy, has proved it time and time again.

Armando,
What's the deal with Polite? Why can't this or any other team keep a good fullback. Is he asking that much? We've had some good ones in the past ('Lo Neal comes to mind). God knows the guy is money when it comes to 3rd or 4th and 1. And that is with no interior line the last 2 years.

I guess its a passing league now and teams would rather use a single back and have an extra receiver, but if I'm a linebacker and my d'line has kept the opposing offensive linemen off of me, the last thing I want to see is a short squat fireplug of a guy coming through the hole like a g'damn bowling ball in front of the ball carrier.

No to Pryor. Why are we still folling around with the Wildcat? Let's get Henne comfortable and then start taking him out and putting him in again and gtting him out of any sort of rythmn.....and then wonder at the end of the year if he has it. Crazy thinking!! Don't waste another pick on an experimental/development QB. If Henne's not going to work out then let's spend next year's first on a QB, like everybody wants. I'm fine with that.
I don't think Lendale White is the answer. He's been chopped by three organizations now and for good reason. It'd be cute to play with his old College teammate Bush but this isn't about cute, it's about what works. I'm fine with the guys they have but I would like to see another vet added before the season starts. Who? I don't know yet.

PFT Report

1. So much for Plaxico Burress slowly working into the mix. He caught three passes for 66 yards and a diving touchdown in his Jets debut.

the main reason not to put in for pryor on anything more than a 6th (which to my understanding we traded for reggie), and which will mean we won't get him is that we need to keep our picks to package up for a 1st round qb next year , even if (as I think he will) henne turns a corner this season,they can compete for the job 2012/2013(if we manage to persuade henne to stay) we should still be looking to get into the habit of drafting rd 1 qb's until we have a young nailed on franchise qb, coz we've had enough of the other stuff, devlin might turn out ok but lets not ride oon that alone and pryor is too raw to take a punt on, other teams in better positions/ will outbid us (should outbid us)

if henne bombs then its even more imperative not to get rid of 4th/5th picks on big question marks we don't need

To not give the ball to Lousaka Polite 3 times on the goaline is absolutely ridiculous. HE is our short yardage guy, has proved it time and time again.

Posted by: D | August 22, 2011 at 09:49 AM

Exactly - HE is our short yardage guy - don't need to see IF he can do it in a PRE-SEASON game, they KNOW he can. They need to see IF others can - get it?? It's PRE-SEASON game - Time to TRY other things to see if they MIGHT be options for the real games...


JUSTIN CREDIBLE....stupid blogger of the day...

Posted by: FZB | August 22, 2011 at 08:18 AM

Of the year you mean - he might want to check to see if his ego still fits through the door

someone please watch the tapes of ohio state in the yrs he has been there.. the guy cannot pass the ball, but he is fast and elusive. He helped bring a great football team to it's knees, got a great football coach fired for trying to protect him, didn't care about his teammates. He should not be a fin with the moral code he holds, we are better than that!!!!

Armando. Are you what they call a muck taker??? The phins have no use for Pryor, and your thought for wildcat, give us a break. That formation has left the station, nice while it lasted.
And to bring up lendell white, please. You complain about bringing in broken down linemen, why the same in a running back??
Your stirring for a reason.

Cute, impostor. Too bad you don't have the b*lls to just stick with the one name to post under. You're not fooling anyone....we all know who you are.

Just a thought.. Why couldnt pryor switch to TE if he can't play QB seems like we could certainly use an upgrade there..

Pryor could be a playmaker for us at WR or TE and maybe become a 2nd or 3rd QB. Even for a 3rd round pick Pryor might be a steal.. The guy has unique size and speed thats never available in later rounds of the draft. The Fins need more weapons and arent we building for the future ? I would love to see a LB try and cover this kid if he were a TE..

Mando, don't give two thoughts about drafting Pryor...Lets go with what we got and if these guy's don't work out this year then there is always next year and Andrew Luck among others...

Leave it to Armando to find something to complain about. I thought the run was solid at least until they got to the 1 yard line, but the panthers have a good D line and they still scored. I don’t see the need for another RB unless someone gets injured. Which I hope doesn’t happen. As for Pryor he is going to be someone who can’t change a game for a while so we really don’t need him. He wants to be a QB and seems like that’s what he is going to try to do. So we don’t need another bad qb in Miami. I still don’t understand how you have this job. I mean I expect to see this on ESPN and other places but again this is the home of the dolphins. If the writers don’t like this team here who else can they write about? No one this is Miami. Lets look at it this way if you don’t mind. Even if the dolphins beat the Pats in week 1 the writers will say how the Pats lost the game not how the dolphins won. Come on what do the fins have to do to get respect? Either way I support this team but I am starting to dislike coming on this site for information about my home team.

Watching the game again. On the first td incognito pulled right and the play went slant left. Exciting to see them play inspired ball.

itc, tampa will be tough.

Pryor? Sure he's worth a look, turning in a sub 4.4 forty. But at what price do you pay for a guy admittedly a huge project at the qb position. Gotta feeling someone will offer a 5th just to drive the buying price up to a 4th rd pick.

If the the buying price is a 4th rd pick, the team acquiring him had better have vision of more than just a qb and hope it sticks.

As far as adding another powerback, why? There so many other ways to skin a cat when it comes to goal line situations. Im glad the kid Thomas had chance to experience it now, rather than when the real bullets start flying.

Armando, how can you come to a complete assessment about this kid Thomas' shoert yardage ability based on only one goal line experience? At least we lived to fight another down because the kid didnt put the ball on the ground.

Why all the buzz about Pryor?
There are plenty of good to better than average QB's available in next years draft...just keep who we have now and reload next April.

I agree with the posters here. Polite as the runner with Clay as the lead blocker. Why cut Polite? To make room for one of the useless TEs on this team? Cut the third TE and give Polite the job. Clay takes a roster spot as a TE and FB.

I would be in for Pryor if it was for a 7th rounder. In that scenario, keep Devlin on the practice squad and Pryor as the 3rd QB. Now you start having a proper QB pipeline!!

agree with pmeadows.

He has already stated that he will do whatever it takes for the team that drafts him.

I would love to see the Dolphins draft him with a 5th and turn him into a TE. Add about 10-15 pounds of muscle, with that athletic ability. Good luck to most linebackers trying to cover him.

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