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... and the curious case of Chad Henne

Still puzzled. Today, what to make of Chad Henne.

He has improved. No question about that. He is more aggressive. He looks to make the downfield throw a lot more. He moves his team from 20-yard line to 20-yard line like the dickens. He's completing 56.5 percent of his passes, which is lower than last year, but he has four touchdowns and three interceptions which is a better stat than his upside down more-intercepts-than-TDs ratio of the past two seasons.

So that's good.

But there is something missing. Still.

He's still not very good on third down.

His passer rating on third down is 69.6, which is 13 points lower than his overall rating. He completes only 53 percent of his passes on third down. And he's ranked 21st in the NFL on third-down passing. This stat is important because big-time NFL QBs make their money on third down. That's why it's called the money down.

It was eye-opening to see young, unproven Colt McCoy lead his team to a winning TD late last week and Henne not be able to move his team 15 or 20 yards for a responding and winning field goal. That all came in the fourth quarter.

Henne has been bad in the fourth quarter as well this year. He is the 31st-ranked (of 33 players) fourth-quarter passer this season. His fourth-quarter passer rating is atrocious at 48.7. By comparison, the Dolphins defense this weekend faces the top-ranked fourth-quarter passer in Phillip Rivers of San Diego. His fourth-quarter rating is 136.4

Henne so far is completing fewer than half his fourth quarter passes. His completion percentage is 42.9. That is the worst in the NFL.

So while Henne has improved from last year, he has a long way to go yet. And, it should be considered, every statistical category you look at with him, indeed, every stat you study for the Dolphins offense must be done with this in mind:

The Dolphins opened the season against a team whose defense is the worst in the NFL right now. That's right, the Patriots have gotten lit by everyone on defense this year and are ranked No. 32 in that category this year.

Anyway, this is a full text of Henne's meeting with the media this week:

(On Brian Hartline’s progression this season) - “Yeah, I thought Brian (Hartline) stepped up big. In the previous game, he hasn’t got a lot of balls because we had some one-on-one coverages with other guys and they were first in the progression, but now teams are starting to take away some of our receivers away. Brian has done a great job one-on-one and I feel confident going to him if we have that matchup."

(On practicing toe-tapping catches on the sideline and back shoulder throws) - “Yeah, the back shoulder throws has evolved. I think every team works it in practice, one-on-one routes. Quarterbacks are becoming a custom to it and receivers are doing a great job adjusting, but Brian (Hartline), his toe-touch and his way to stay in bounds is just amazing. He does it in practice a lot, goes against our defense one-on-one and it shows in practice he gets it done and carries over."

(On Brian Hartline’s ability to run after the catch) - “Yeah, I think he’s quick in transition when he gets the ball. He tucks it under and looks to get yards up field quick, he’s done a really good job with that."

(On Reggie Bush not receiving many catches lately) - “Well, I mean, sometime they’re bring some pressure where he has to stand and protect and other times, he’s out there, but we’re completing balls down the field. We’re looking to complete balls down field first, not the underneath routes. If it comes a case where we have a matchup out there and I need to come down to Reggie (Bush), I’ll come down to him."

(On Reggie Bush not receiving many catches due to Daniel Thomas catching good as well)- “Well, I mean, we’re switching them in and out. We’re giving them a good mix and whoever is in on that play, we will see who will get the ball, but nobody’s going to tell. We’re trying to look down field and make big plays, if not, we’ll get it down to those guys."

(On not having red zone success psychological or execution) - “It’s all about execution, I mean, we have the plays…whether we need to study more in there or more things down there, but we just got to execute. Execute our game plan. If it’s there, take it, we got to be aggressive down there and make plays and if it’s not, it’s not much we can do. We can run the ball, throw the ball, we just got to go down there, be confident in ourselves, and make the plays."

(On Brandon Marshall being frustrated and getting the better of him) - “No, I think sometimes he gets frustrated because they’re double covering him, he feels they’re holding him, but Brandon (Marshall) has done a great job. It’s his attitude towards our team and on the field so we’re going to keep going to him and give him a shot."

(On Daniel Thomas change from the preseason to the regular season) - “I think it’s confidence and just understanding our offense in the running game. Just understanding where the blocks are going to be, where the holes are going to open up and he’s definitely confident where he’s running, how he is running so he’s done a really good job trying to get the extra yards for us."

(On what stands out regarding Daniel Thomas) - “I mean, he’s a powerful back. He’s slapped together, he’s a pretty muscular guy so he’s going to get the extra yards for us. It’s fun to watch when he runs."

(On what you can do to rally the team after being 0-3) - “I mean, enthusiasm in practice, try to get the guys going, not feeling down on ourselves, try to keep a positive attitude as much as we can, look them in the face and say hey, I’m confident, I’m confident in them. We have the players, we have everybody in the situation, we just got to go out there and do it, all of us, believe it, do it in practice, prepare well in the film room, do the extra things. We got to go, we can’t make excuses, can’t point fingers. We just got to be a team, come together, and play."

(On facing a 0-3 deficit in the past) - “I mean, I think you can, but it’s different faces here so a lot of guys haven’t been through it and some guys have. I think it just comes back as coming as a team, playing well, executing on Sunday when our number is called. If it’s 49 or 45 seconds left in the game and the offense is out there on the field, we need to make the plays and score the touchdown.”

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If Henne can rock between the 20's in the first three quarters, why can he do it in the 4th quarter? Same players, same team, different Chad.

And the conversation yesterday about why do players come to Miami and seem to regress. Is it the head coach, coordinators, QB, what the hell is it?

Few things are black and white. Odds are it's a combination of all those. Remember the debates ad nauseum about Henning vs Henne? The evidence is leaning toward both being the problem. So we can all pat ourselves on the back for being at least partially right. Henne is better without Henning, no doubt but the offense still can't score in the red zone or with the game on the line. Perhaps that's being too harsh but that's my job as a fan.

quit complaining about our oline. on a 3 step drop to a slot reciever that 1-step, 2- steps, 3-steps or right leg = 1st step, left leg= 2nd step and right leg= 3rd step and this ass clown qb is still holding the ball??? WTF, get rid of the dang thing already so there for the oline is not the problem, Henne cant get it done period and stats dont mean crap in the 4th qtr

Blaming the third down stat on Henne is patently ridiculous. Our offensive line does not give him time to throw on third down and long. He is consistently having to dump passes off to Bess well short of the marker hoping Devon can break free. If the line could give Henne one or two more seconds, he might have a chance to look down the field.

DevilsAdvocate, I don't hate Henne either but I sure would love to see him holding a clipboard on Sundays. He's a smart guy that knows the offense well and could really help a starter "in that way I mean." haha

What I don't understand is why people keep making excuses for Henne. The stats and win loss record don't lie. Last year it was Henning, the offense and not enough weapons. This year it is the drops and o-line. People say lets take away the drops and he'd have great numbers. For every drop I've seen I've also seen 2 very bad throws. Marshal dropped a TD but the other 2 throws near the goal line were really bad and not even close. Other QB's make those throws. Even Colt McCoy.

You knew this article was going to ruffle some feathers of Henne supporters. I am not a supporter or detractor. Let's look at this objectively for a moment:

Henne has improved his decision making, command of the offense, escapability & overall leadership

Henne still struggles in the red zone, on 3rd downs & in the 4th quarter.

Sadly, his struggles, especially when they occur, are more impactuful to his teams offensive success, or lack thereof, than his improvements.

Does this mean it's all on him? No. Obviously he's suffered drops, bad protection at times, etc. The flip side to that coin is that he's also missed open throws or made poor passes when the line did protect, or guys were open, etc...

This is a 4th year QB we're talking about. Put that in perspective. It's time to come to grips with THIS IS WHAT HENNE IS. A consisntently, inconsistent QB.

Good some weeks, poor other weeks. He's an average NFL qb who seems to lack the killer instinct.

Jason Taylor says he's better than Sanchez? Who really cares? Firstly, what do you expect him to say? Secondly, anyone with 2 eyes knows Sanchez is average at best himself, with a far superior supporting cast. That makes him below average. Saying Henne is better than him says what? Not a whole lot.

It should be noted Henne's best game was against the worst D in the league & many yards of that game came when he was down big. Coincidentally, 2 poorer games came against slightly better defenses.

This kind of up & down has happened too many times over the last 3 years to keep being a coincidence or whatever excuses people conjure up.

This isn't a knock on Henne. It's just plain truth. It's time people came to grips with it.

Chris in the 623

"The QB takes far more blame, or credit for that matter, than any other player on the field because he has a direct impact on every single offensive play. That's why they make the big bucks."

Funny thing..... Henne doesn't make the big bucks- he was a bargain pick so that Long could make the big money. How's that working out for us?

Henne would do well to steer clear of the morass of bad karma that is the Miami Dolphins and become a better-paid player on another team.

DKM.

A good QB with a bad line does not elevate anyones play,

Please spare me the QB (BY HIMSELF) makes everyone look better.

So Aikman made Irvin look better and emmitt smith, and his o-line?

Or was it the other away around, THINK!

Kris

Great points with the percentages of QB's that did well from the 1st round as well.

Believe, I want a winner, whether it Henne, a future 1st rounder, or some other QB.

One good thing for all the Henne nay-sayers is at least Henne isn't costing us squat right now.

Nobody.

Massoquie made the catch in his hands, If he didnt was Colt MCoy the failure or was the reciever? Or both?

Hmmm........... Think!

Devil,

There are MANY on here who want Henne run out of town. That's fine. I'm saying let's let the season play out before we make up our mind on it. We can't do anything about it until April anyways. What are people actually afraid of? That maybe somehow Henne gets his act together and proves everyone wrong? For some I think it's about being right on Henne, not whether he has success or not. As I said, must we debate Henne EVERY single day when there are still 13 games to go and to be honest he's not the biggest problem we have. Now that defence....let's talk about the defence...

Henne turned the lead over to the D with 2 minutes left.
They blew this not him.

Does anybody think that maybe Armando purposely wrote this post about Henne because he saw how split we all are on the subject so who knew he'd get a bunch of people riled up which equals more hits on his blog?????

Just Sayin.........

Henne sucks! Our whole team knows it. They're sick and tired of carrying him. Now matter how you slice his stats,he is at best a back-up qb. Many of you make me sick! Henne is the cancer on this team. All the players know it.Our team should have dumped him last year. None of Our players what him leading them. But they maintain their professionalism by not having an open mutiny.

Correction: he goes betweeen the 10s just great. We start every drive on our own 10 after a holding call or Gates wussying his way to the 10. Henne then gets us all the way to the 2. Nobody is perfect. There is no protection. Henne has to make an extra first down or two every time.

Also, re third down, we always have 3rd and 20 due to a holding penalty.

Price, Henne got the ball back inside the other teams 50 with 4 downs, 39 seconds & a time out.

Result? 0 yards, int.

There's a new stat called QBR that takes into account everything going on every play the QB makes including game situation.
The stat is available on espn.com NFL page.
This past Sunday Henne was ranked 6th. Brady-8th, Romo-11th, Roeths-13th, Ryan-22nd, Sanchez-23rd, Bradford-30th

Craig

In case you hadn't noticed, the title and subject of this particular blog is Chad Henne, which is kinda why everyone is debating his performance today.

They are who we thought they were!

Canada Phil, the Dansby thing may be another curious case. Can you imagine a team driving for the winning touchdown and Ray Lewis being out of the game?

Not to compare the two but trust me I'm in Phoenix, Dansby was of all things considered a playmaker. We don't seem to value playmakers as much as schemes and prototypical size. Perhaps another philosophical flaw of the coaching staff. Hell, Troy Polamalu makes more plays in a game than our entire defense. There's such a thing as "chunk plays" on defense too and we never seem to get any.

Ozkar, maybe a post with some sort of facts would be valuable, not some silly rant that is useless.

Devil,

I got that. That's why I'm suggesting Armando come up with some new topics. There's a lot more we should be discusses about the defence right now. That's our true achilles right now.

Good point Pricemaster..........I am getting so sick of starting out with bad field position, and even worse stupid penalties

Mando,
How about a story entitled: "The Curious Case of the Play Calling"
In the 1st half Henne was 15/19 for 190 yards.
In the second half he was 4/10 for 65 yards.
Why did we stop throwing in the 2nd half?
Why were trying to run out the clock with a 3 point lead and 2 qtrs to play?

Jesus, get off the kids back already. If personality disorder boy doesn't drop three td passes, this isn't even brought up. how about the horrible play of the defense, and O line?

Ohio....

Thats true.....not only is he not cosing us any money....he also isn't costing us any games...imo....

the flip side is...he isn't winning ant games either....

There's a new stat called QBR that takes into account everything going on every play the QB makes including game situation.
The stat is available on espn.com NFL page.
This past Sunday Henne was ranked 6th. Brady-8th, Romo-11th, Roeths-13th, Ryan-22nd, Sanchez-23rd, Bradford-30th

Posted by: PriceMaster | September 30, 2011 at 10:41 AM
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If Brady was ranked 8th after a 4 INT PERFORMANCE....

I'm not sure i have much use for that stat....

c'mon.....really....


Colt McCoy in his second year put together a long drive and then threw a perfect pass where only his guy could get it in the end zone to win the game.

Posted by: Nobody | September 30, 2011 at 10:20 AM

Nobody, thanks for helping me out last night.

I don't want to take anything away from Colt McCoy, I've been a fan of his since college. I think he'll be a very good one now hat he's in a system with Holmgren.

To be fair though, on that TD throw, it didn't hurt matters any that we couldn't generate any pressure an had a rookie Corner with no game time experience in the past three years.


Kris,

Yea so by the end of the year if he is still not winning us games, but not losing us games either, I think if we can keep him for the right price he'd still be a good backup, because that is all you want from a backup, and then with some competition maybe he breaks through or something.

Joe,
Just as easily Mando can write the story about Marshall's production in the red zone or in the 4th quarter or when we're behind etc.
After all Marshall is making $10 mil/season and he owes it to the team to deliver.

Similarly he could writew the story about Karlos Dansby's disapprearance in the 4th qtr etc. When we signed Dansby we made him the highest paid LB in history at the time (look it up).
Henne turned the lead over to Dansby with 2 minutes to go.
The whole point of this story is to make us quarrell amongst ourselves.

Henne is in the last year of his contract. He'll be gone in 3 months.
Matt Moore will be the starter next year and possible for 5 or 6 years.
Next year it will be Moore's fault when the D blows the lead in the 4th qtr.
Then who's fault will it be?

WHEN WILL ANYONE HERE ACKNOWLEDGE THAT IT TAKES 11 PEOPLE ON OFFENSE TO WIN, GET 1st DOWNS and MAKE THINGS HAPPEN!!!!

NOT JUST A QB???????

Have any of you played team sports?

Any of you play football? If you did, When you screwed up a play did you blame the QB?

This is nuts!

Hey poizen here's a useless fact for you! My beloved Miami Dolphins are 0-3 because the qb sucks when he's most needed.


quit complaining about our oline. on a 3 step drop to a slot reciever that 1-step, 2- steps, 3-steps or right leg = 1st step, left leg= 2nd step and right leg= 3rd step and this ass clown qb is still holding the ball??? WTF, get rid of the dang thing already so there for the oline is not the problem, Henne cant get it done period and stats dont mean crap in the 4th qtr

Posted by: TRICKY | September 30, 2011 at 10:29 AM


ROTFLMAO! 5 sacks, 8 knockdowns, 15 hurries IN ONE GAME. But ah, yeah then, the O-line is fine ;)

i agree that henne has shown some improvement but this IS his 4th season with the team. my take is that he never looks comfortable,needs max protect and seems to play stiff lacking "awareness". his throws are often late,relying on a strong arm but still late. he never throws a receiver open and just cant throw a simple fade route. someone must have had to tell him he can run if receivers are covered because he suddenly is doing that this year. henne has progressed but flaws remain. maybe if we had a real QB coach: like a former qb perhaps??? maybe its coaching.

Correction: he goes betweeen the 10s just great. We start every drive on our own 10 after a holding call or Gates wussying his way to the 10. Henne then gets us all the way to the 2. Nobody is perfect. There is no protection. Henne has to make an extra first down or two every time.

Also, re third down, we always have 3rd and 20 due to a holding penalty.

Roger Good All The One True Lover


There's a new stat called QBR that takes into account everything going on every play the QB makes including game situation.
The stat is available on espn.com NFL page.
This past Sunday Henne was ranked 6th. Brady-8th, Romo-11th, Roeths-13th, Ryan-22nd, Sanchez-23rd, Bradford-30th

PriceMaster


GOOD POINTS


Ozkar. your dolphins suck because your coaching sucks and all players that hit the field are equally responsible, you genious.

Your super star wide receiver has nothing to do with us loosing?

your field goal kicker?

your oline?

Dude, clueless.

I still don't get why any of you think Henne would sign back here next year as backup when he'd be free to sign with anyone of the other 31 teams. Think about it....the teams says, 'thanks for your three years of service, we don't like you enough or trust you enough to be our QB going forward, so we're drafting your replacement in the first round and he's our QB of the future'. How many of you would say, 'yes Sir, can I have some more?'. Not likely. He'll look at it and see a fan base that chanted for Orton in the preseason, who've been on him since day one and a media who have srutinized his every move. No, he either turns it around big time and the team commits to him or he has a different uniform on next year.

I'll meet you half way and acknowledge that it takes 11 people on offense to win, but of the 11 the QB is by far the most important.

And the new Messiah will come to town next, be it Andrew Luck or somebody else and the fanbase will demand instant results.

Guys Marino is LONG gone...get over it. Chances of finding someone as good are going to be slim.

You said
"He's still not very good on third down."

Check his splits from last year. Henne was one of the best in the league on 3rd and 3-7 yards to go, and overall very good on 3rd down. So, saying he is "still" not good on 3rd down is misleading.

poizen once again not to knock your opinion but we do not have an Aikman, emmit smith or irvin or anybody with that much talent on our roster so please stop with all these comparisons, we get it IT TAKES 11 GUYS ON OFFENSE and 11 GUYS ON DEFENSE THAT MAKE UP YOUR TEAM. you blame the recievers for dropping balls (let do some comparison here to JERRY RICE, RANDY MOSS (ALL THE GREATS) NEVER EVER DROPPED BALLS) the one thing they had was can you guess what that is....... oh yeah a FREAKIN QUATER BACK.

Poizen.....

Mark Sanchez has taken his team to 2 AFC CHAMPIONSHIP GAMES...back to back....

Nobody considers him one of the ELITE QBs of the NFL.....

However....we ALL admit that there is an ELITE class of QBs in the NFL.....Do you concur.....

These are QBs who make plays......
put the team on their shoulders....
no fourth quarter lead is safe.....
and if they get the ball back with 2 min....and need less than 7 points.....you know they will most likely get it done......

When those situations happen....

When those QBs take center stage.....

Nobody gives a dam about an OL man......or lack of a TE....

when Brady carves you up....nobody blames the defence....

When Peyton throws the game winning touch down pass....nobody gives credit to the left tackle.....

Brady
Manning
Brees
Rivers
Rapistburger

These guys get ALL the credit when the TEAM wins......and EXCPECT all the blame when the TEAM loses......no excuses.....

Brady was pissed...he cut his hair......showing rewsponsibility on some level for his lack of focus (possibly)........

Yes....on some Technical level....your argument is valid.....Henne should not get ALL the blame......

Only a fool would believe its ALL his fault......

at the same time...only a Henne homer would look to place respnsibilty elsewhere....

If Henne is the QB you want him to be....he is taking all the blame.....and preperation for the day when he can take all the credit.......

its a double edged sword....

Anyone should be able to see that Henne is not the problem this year. Our defense is a human sieve. Mando get off Henne's back and analysis the games as they really are..

This is hilarious. The only friggin guy on the entire team who actually worked hard at improving, and DID improve, we're still talking about. Once again I'm not a Henne apologist. We need better play from the QB position, so do 22 other teams who do not have pro bowl QBs. But he is not the reason why the Dolphins are 0-3.

If he was Brady,Brees,Rivers, or Rodgers the team probably wouldn't be 0-3 but he is not. He is what we have right now and right now we have bigger problems on this team. To concentrate on the only area of the team that improved in the off season and ignore all of the regression across the board is ridiculous. I know why Mando is doing it, if he keeps this one up as long as Reggie's watch how many more pages this blog gets. But why are the fans still fixated on this? The curious case of the bewildered fans should be the true title of this blog.

It makes absolutely no sense to debate this all day. Yes we could use better play from the QB position but we have no present options. End of "story". There's the question and answer right there for you. Now we can all get some work done or move on to a problem that is fixable IN-SEASON. A problem the team can fix by changing schemes or by moving one useless lump of a mountain from RT to the bench. I'm going to move on and get some work done. I'll let you guys debate Henne's skills or lack there of for the millionth time, I've said my peace so I'm done.

Armando, I am going to explain it to you one more time. If you put a crappy team around a QB, any QB, that QB will not perform up to the same level of a QB that has a talented well coached team around them. There it is my friend, please do not seem so puzzled.

To understand the Henne detractors, here is my suggestion - forget about all the reasons we lose games, the defense, the oline, the dropped passes, the play calling, and Coach Dumbo. I don't see anybody denying that stuff.

Focus on Henne's performance when all things ARE in his favor. When he has time, when he has open receivers. Just focus on that, and you will see what drives us crazy.

1. How often does Henne have his passes tipped at the line? Isn't he like 6;4? He seems to lead the league in deflected passes every year.

2. How often does he miss a wide open receiver? Underthrows, overthrows, or just really bad ball placement?

3. How often does he force it into coverage when another receiver is wide open?

4. Have you ever seen Henne make an early snap to catch the D offsides to get a free play? Gentleman Chad will just stand there and patiently wait for all the kind defensive players get back in formation.

5. How often does Henne just rumble between the 20's and just go ice cold in the red zone? Same players, different Chad.

6. And finally the subject of this blog, why is Henne consistently so much worse under pressure, either in the 4th quarter or in the redzone?

Chad Henne has the tools around him to suceed. Yet he continually uses around peg to insert into a square hole. So now instead of staying in the pocket to make a play he chooses to consistently run with the ball. Perhaps that's the improvement you-all see! We have enough runners on the time for that.We need a passer especially with a pass happy league.

Tricky, I have no clue what the point of your post is at all...

I don't blame the receivers, I am blaming the team in general. I point out the receivers because most people here just yell out Henne sucks, and henne is the reaon we did not win.
Henne is showing signs of being a very good QB, and because we are 0-3 everyone is saying HE is not a winner. WRONG. THIS TEAM as a whole is not a winner. This CAN NOT be pineed on just one guy.

and to answer your question, NO I have never seen Jerry Rice and Randy Moss drop 3 TD's 3 consecutive games in their hands, EVER.

Please put my comments in perspective of this article and the other blog comments. I am pointing out all the other flaws because the majority here are only pointing out the QB's and then saying THAT is the reason for the failures.

WOW

It all starts with the O-line. Brady gets great pass protection with 5 linemen which allows there to be 5 receivers on any given play. The fins line is below average which forces them to do things like keep RBs & TEs in to help pass protect. Against Houston, there were several plays where the TE was yanked off the field and replaced with a 3rd Tackle, to help with Houston's pass rush.

Our QB, Henne or not, will continue to suck anytime the defense blitzes if the o-line doesnt' get shored up. Think about it, when do teams blitz?
1. When we're in obvious passing downs (3rd)
2. When we're in the red zone (smaller field for DBs to defend).
3. When we're behind in the 4th quarter.

These are all the situations that Henne has been deemed 'not worthy'.

People can blame anyone they want, I suppose, but i don't have to look any further than Matt Ryan to see what happens when a good QB isn't given the time to throw.

We have to get desperate because Henne just can't do it in the red zone. We need a RZQ (RED ZONE QUARTERBACK). As soon as this team reaches the red zone bring in Matt Moore, lets see what he can do.

does the whole team throw picks in the 4 th qtr with the game on the line?????

PriceMaster,

the curious case of ESPN's QBR rating;

So far this season Henne is rated #12, behind the usual suspects

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7020881/nfl-week-3-total-qbr-season-leaders


What I don't understand is why people keep making excuses for Henne. The stats and win loss record don't lie.

-How is it making excuses for Henne by pointing out how Carpenter and Marshall both mae major blunders and costing us 2 games? I don't mean MAYBE possibly costing us games, I mean BLACK AND WHITE costing us games. Henne will never be a Marino, but if not for Carpenter and Marshalls obvious blunders, we're 2-1, Hen's improved and were not even having this conversation. The same could b said about te defense.

Last year it was Henning, the offense and not enough weapons. This year it is the drops and o-line.

-The drops did cost games and the o-line is on pace to give up 50+ sack. These are NOT excuses for Henne. They are cold hard facts that we're are NOT getting it done as a TEAM.

People say lets take away the drops and he'd have great numbers. For every drop I've seen I've also seen 2 very bad throws. Marshal dropped a TD but the other 2 throws near the goal line were really bad and not even close. Other QB's make those throws. Even Colt McCoy.

Posted by: Dolfan_Luck | September 30, 2011 at 10:30 AM

No, now your quite OBVIOUSLY making excuses for Marshall. He had two quite beautiful passes and a third very good pass RIGHT IN HIS HANDS **IN THE ENDZONE**.

The reality is that it's not about making excuses for anyone. Henne has improved-PERIOD. Is he Marino or Rodgers? No and he NEVER will be. Does he need to continue to improve-undoubtedly.

While Henne does have a ways to go, he still played well enough for us to win games and under Daboll, he keeps getting better which is something that never happened under Henning.

The obvious and largest problems here are not Henne. The defense has cost us big time. The O-line has cost us dearly. The missed field goals, dropped **TD PASSES**(not just the ordinary drops)and the timely fumbles have killed us.

Having said that though, these are **ALMOST** all things we accomplished as a **TEAM**.

I say ALMOST because Carpenter and Marshall were the exceptions. They basically single handedly cost us games.

You can say want you want, that's fine. But I'm telling you, people with football smarts don't look at this team and see one or two guys as the problem. There's a multitude of problems across the board, of which Henne is most likely the least.


Kris. You have at least read my posts and see some of my point, Thank you for that.

I insist, you are reasonable at least. to think about this. You brought up Brady. Brady is a product of his system and line protecting him. As mentioned, I live in MA, he is a very good QB, but once pressure is on him he becomes a lot like everyone else. I watch it every week. I can not make the claim Henne is brady or in the same class. But I can make the claim that Henne has never been in that fluent of an offense, and EVER had that kind of time in the pocket. I can also tell you that when Henne does get time in the pocket he makes almost all his throws. How is that any diefferent than Brady, sho we praise as Elite.

Look Brady has won SB's he will alsays be elite over Henne until Henne wins one if that happens.

but you with part of your post make the argument for me. the top QB's you mention, make mistakes also. But their supporting casts are also making plays when they have to. Brady threw 4 int's and the Pats lost. the next day, they blames the D here,

BTW, Brady also had 6 balls batted at the line with all day in the pocket, one tipped for a INT... for the comment about Henne throwing into the linemen.

There is just far more to it, than This guy is good, this guy is not, just by looking at a record.


Sanchez is average at best himself, with a far superior supporting cast. That makes him below average. Saying Henne is better than him says what? Not a whole lot.

this is isn't a knock on Henne. It's just plain truth. It's time people came to grips with it.

Posted by: Joe Schmoe | September 30, 2011 at 10:31 AM

Joe,

I don't take this as a knock on Henne, Thank you.

What you just said is, with a good supporting cast Henne can probably not only take a team to the AFC Championship game, but win it.

I've posted the same thing before. If Henne were playin for the jets the past three years, they would have at least made the Super Bowl in two of them. Possibly even winning them.

Your finally starting to come around and see things for what the are. Kudos to you my Brother ;)


Henne has improved, but just needs to stop melting down in pressure situations such as 1st and goal, 3rd and whatever, and in the fourth quarter...How many times has he led us to a fourth quarter comeback? I can recall one time. Vs NE in December of 2009 in Miami. Its all mental for him. Hope he can overcome.

**POST OF THE DAY**

Henne turned the lead over to the D with 2 minutes left.
They blew this not him.


Posted by: PriceMaster | September 30, 2011 at 10:37 AM

Well said and very honest and more importantly, FACTUAL.

Henne still should have pulled that game out for us, but then the haters here would have gave Carpenter(LOL) or whoever else ALL THE CREDIT. HATE is ALWAYS the same and VERY predictable!


NICE one PRICE!

Poizen....

I agree....when Brady faces the jets pressure "D"......he seems to turn into a mere mortal....

but you need to have the brass balls of a rex ryan to dial up those blitzes....

Sporano probably has something closer to cotton balls.....

Maybe they surgically implanted some real balls in him during the double hernia operation....


Price, Henne got the ball back inside the other teams 50 with 4 downs, 39 seconds & a time out.

Result? 0 yards, int.

Posted by: Joe Schmoe | September 30, 2011 at 10:40 AM


So you counter the entire body of work with focusing on one desperation possession after having been sacked 5 times, knocked down 8 and hurried on 15 almost all in the third and fourth quarters-LOL?

NICE!

Poizen, that's funny..."THINK", good line.

I'm with Craig. Mando hates Henne. There's a million topics he could have broached that would be more relevant to why we're losing. This isn't anything anyone shouldn't have expected if you watched Miami play last year. Actually, compared to that, everyone should be pleasantly surprised with Henne.

This is about as low-priority as why Cameron Wake isn't getting more pressure on the QB.

The elephant in the room is our secondary. Why aren't people getting on Vontae Davis, he's a 1st-rounder? Or Odrick, another 1st-rounder? You're stars need to perform, that should be the priority in topics to discuss.

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