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How other teams scored from red zone 41 times Sunday

The Dolphins had three red zone trips on Sunday against the Cleveland Browns. They scored one touchdown and settled for two field goals.

So drives that could have been maximized for three touchdowns, 21 points, resulted in only 13 points.

That is a big deal when one considers this game was decided by one point.

So, again, why are the Dolphins not maximizing? Why are they not cashing in?

I've stopped looking to the Dolphins for answers.

I'm looking elsewhere -- like the rest of the NFL. And in the NFL on Sunday the rest of the league scored 41 red zone touchdowns.

Of those 41 touchdowns, 13 were scored when quarterbacks hooked up with wide receivers for the six-pointers. Quarterbacks found their tight ends for 11 of those 41 red zone touchdowns. And quarterbacks connected with running back for three red zone passing touchdowns.

All told, of the 41 red zone touchdowns scored by teams not named the Miami Dolphins or Cleveland Browns, 27 came via the pass. So teams that got into the end zone once they reached the red zone did it by passing 65 percent of the time.

The running scores?

Running backs scored on runs nine times. Quarterbacks had touchdown runs five times.

So what does all this mean?

It's quite clear, really.

The most important player in the red zone is the quarterback. On Sunday, the quarterback threw a touchdown or scored himself 32 of the 41 red zone successes teams had. The wide receiver is obviously the next most productive player for teams in the red zone and the tight end is not very far behind him.

But here's the problem: The players manning those positions for the Dolphins are not delivering in the red zone.

Yesterday, for example, quarterback Chad Henne completed 65.5 percent of his passes for the game. But inside the red zone he completed only 2 of 5 passes for a 40 percent completion rate. He also broke a team red zone rule by taking a sack. (Obviously, that may or may not have been something he could have avoided.)

Brandon Marshall had four catches for 43 yards yesterday, which by the way is not very good at all. Anyway, Marshall was worse in the red zone. He was unable to beat one-on-one coverage from Joe Haden and his lone red zone pass went incomplete.

That pass, by the way, was catchable. Yes, it would have been an outstanding catch, but those are the kind of catches big-time receivers are supposed to deliver. Marshall did not. And don't take my word for it. The pictures, sent in by this blog's rising screen grab specialist Justin Reardon, show the play in all its inglorious outcome:

Marshall redzone1 
Above Marshall has practically no separation, but the ball is headed right to his hands. It's a good throw.

Marshall redzone2 
Now the ball is in Marshall's hands. Joe Haden is still trying to bat it in the air, but it's too late. The DBs only hope now is batting it from Marshall's grasp or having Marshall drop it.

Marshall redzone3 
Well, Haden can stop hoping to bat it from Marshall's grasp because it's in the guy's hands. Now he has to hope Marshall simply drops the ball.

Marshall redzone4 
And that is exactly what happens. As Haden whiffs, Marshall has let the ball go through his hands. Incomplete. No touchdown.

Davone Bess was targetted once in the red zone. He wasn't really open. Anthony Fasano was targetted once in the red zone. Nothing.

Fasano is of particular interest to me. The tight end, you see, is supposed to make his money in the red zone. He needs to be a presence there and that point is made in the stats I related above. Tight ends are supposed to be major red zone weapons.

Fasano is not. Hmmm, this is more evidence the Dolphins need that upgrade at tight end the team still refuses to do.

Finally, I'd say the Dolphins might think of using their RBs more as weapons in the red zone. Their red zone success Sunday came on a screen pass to Daniel Thomas that turned into a 10-yard score. Thomas also carried three times in the red zone for 8 yards. The running plays yielded modest return, but what about using the RBs as receiving weapons?

Isn't Reggie Bush supposed to be this big mismatch with linebackers whenever he's on the field? Why not use him?

Obviously, I'm not a coach and do not pretend to be one. But I have eyes. And what Miami has been doing so far doesn't equal necessarily what the rest of the league is doing.

The positions that are producing the big red zone success elsewhere aren't doing that in Miami. That's a problem.

On many levels.

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It Hard to understand how you so called footbal lfans could still blame Henne, there only a couple of QB's in the league that would prosper with this o-line, the guy was sacked 6 times and presured almost every down, you CANNOT pass the ball downfield with no time ands its even tougher in the red zone when you have 1.5 seconds to throw not to mention we lead the league in drops!. OH YEA, BUY THE WAY, HENNE'S LAST THROW WAS 10 INCHES ABOVE MARSHALL'S HEAD!!! LIFT YOUR HANDS AND MAKE A CATCH!!!!


No time and dropped balls make a QB look very bad!

hey reggie,how does it feel to come from a
world class org. w/ a sb win like the saints to a waste treatment plant known as camp davie.?.lol

henne.1-5 on paxxes of 21-31yds. and 0-1 on paxxes over 31yds.
he sux.

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scoring is hard. look at dallas and wash last night

Poizen,

I've been one of the biggest Henne backers on here. It's not working my friend. Whether it's his fault or not we can't keep going like this. For the most part you judge a QB by the wins and losses. We're not good. His stats are fine but that's not everything. By no means is this all his fault but when the team is constantly losing the coach is the first to go and the QB soon follows. It goes to fgiure if we're picking top 3, we're very likely picking a QB and Henne's time is all but over here. It's our reality....time we faced up to it.

g

Romo had it far worse than Henne last night. He came through in the clutch. The point is Henne NEVER EVER comes through in the clutch.

At some point, it just can't be blamed on everyone else. Great players find a way to make a play even under the most difficult circumstances.

By the way to the early posters.

I watched the play 3 times in slow mo. Hayden did not tip the pass to alter the patch in anyway. Marshall dropped the ball plain and simple.

You in most nfl games do not get more than one good look at the end zone.

3 drops by Marshall in the end zone in 3 games.

How does that happen?

i think we've been pathetic so far this season, 0 redzone, 0 defense, 0 etc, and yet still were in the last 2 games big time, if only these guys played to their ability instead if choking each week they could still do something

get it together

NH....

I highly doubt that....they will be out of the race by NOV......but.....the best thing about this blog is that come DEC.....you and I can see who is right.....so......lets wait and see....

Poizen....

I have no bias tward Henne.....and Marshall has faded in my eyes.....O have also watched the play.....the ball was tipped....i saw it with my own eyes.....

Marshall should have done more to catch the ball.....IT WASN'T HENNE'S FAULT....that the ball was tipped...it was Marshall's for not going to get the pass.....

but either way....that pass was tipped....


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Romo had it far worse than Henne last night. He came through in the clutch. The point is Henne NEVER EVER comes through in the clutch.

At some point, it just can't be blamed on everyone else. Great players find a way to make a play even under the most difficult circumstances.

Posted by: DevilsAdvocate | September 27, 2011 at 09:40 AM"


Are you that dilusional? I watched Romo's team kick 6 field goals! i watched Romo fumble in the red zone and lose the game against the Jets... I watched Romo fumble last night in the red zone last night in the 4th quater (lucklu his teamate fell on it)....SO WHAT IS YOUR POINT?

Again Craig and Devil. If it is a team sport, I do not see you clammoring on about Marshall dropping in his hands 3 red zone TD's!

I do not see you wondering why our tight ends are never open.

why are we not running the ball.

It is always Henne Henne Henne, not you Craig per say.

But the point is, Henne can not block, can not catch the balls, can not get open better, run better routes. He can only throw to what he has.

And if the BEAST catches 3 no one has anything to say about red zone performance as a team because we are in the top 15 of all the teams in the NFL if he makes those catches.

g

My point?

Romo won. He won after the center made multiple bad snaps. He won after taking tough sacks with a cracked rib. He won by making a drive for a field goal when it counted most.

I guess 'won' is not yet in your vocabulary. Understandable.

Ever since Rex Ryan took the job at the Stinkin Jets I've always wanted Miami to hire Rob Ryan.
I figured that he could bring solid defensive plays, schemes, and hire a DC to install his philosophy while he head coached the team. Imagine the Miami vs. Jett games.....wow fir real! And possibly, just maybe...we would be kicking their butt with Andrew Luck versus what the jets think is their franchise QB Mr Sancheeze-Head...he's a bust, face it NY!

Poizen

I'm not giving a free pass on that stuff. I have commented in the past on Marshall not having great hands, being distracted and not worth what we paid for him.

Henne stands out the most because once again, I don't care how many mistakes everyone made, with 40 seconds left and one timeout, Henne failed like he ALWAYS does in the clutch. Not sometimes, always.

See Cotes article on Henne not ready to be a hero today, he frames it better than I.

Poizen

Regardless of the 1001 mistakes the TEAM made against Cleveland, the TEAM was in a position to win in the last minute. We needed only 10 yards. Incomplete, Incomplete, Incomplete, Interception.

It's not like Henne has been a hero in the past and failed this time. He fails always in the clutch.

Unacceptable.

I saw Brees throw an 81 yd TD, on a rope, hit the WR in perfect stride.

I saw Henne under throw Hartline down the sideline from about 30 yards that he had to almost completely stop to catch instead of running under it for a TD.

Those are the plays that are killing us. Plays outside the red zone that COULD be TD's but always result in FG attempts.

Very good QB's make that throw. The touch on Henne's BIG throws is always lacking. It's never been there & the likelyhood is that it never will.

It's not all Chads fault. He's shown better command, leadership, elusiveness & decision making. Obviously Marshall has issues. He gets paid to make tough catches & he hasn't.

But, the reality is, Henne is missing as many potential TD throws as Marshall has TD drops.

I am not blaming Henne, I'm just making the observation. When the offense changes & the results don't, you have to look at the common factor & that's the QB.

Reports are saying Miami is talking to Cinci about trading Palmer again. Some supposed insider said Cinci is actually now showing interest and realizes they need to get something for Palmer, and that a deal if it gets done will likely get done soon. Why is there no mention of this in here today? I thought this would be huge news and figured everyone would be talking about it!

When we start using Greg Cote quotes as proof that something we believe in regarding football is correct we have lost our collective minds.

DEVIL,

Romo won when he fumbled on the 1yrd line against the jets with a 7 pnt lead with 4 minutes to play.

please stop using romo as an example

Phins78, it's probably not on here yet because Armando is nursing a hangover from staying out to late at Chi Chi's happy hour last night.
No really it's because Miami is real tight lipped now after that offseason publicly humiliating coach search...Ross doesn't want bad media like that especially sitting at 0-3....

"The Carson Palmer saga in Cincinnati has been going on since the end of last season. Palmer insisted that he wanted to be traded. If he was not traded, he said he would retire."

"So far, the Bengals have refused to trade him and he has retired."

"Now it appears that this battle between two stubborn parties might be coming to an end."

"According to Rich Smith of AllSportsIntel, the Miami Dolphins have started talking to the Bengals about trading for the former Pro Bowl passer. He posted the following update on his Twitter:

**NFL** Just received a call that the Miami Dolphins are talking to the Cincinnati Bengals about QB Carson Palmer.

I can't imagine a better fit for Carson Palmer than the Dolphins."

"The Dolphins could use a change at quarterback. Chad Henne isn't the worst starting quarterback in his league, but his turnovers consistently keep the Dolphins from winning games."

The fans had turned against Henne before this season even started and I'm not so sure that the team hasn't lost belief in him.

"It's not hard to imagine the Dolphins being a pretty good team if they had a steadier hand at quarterback. Carson Palmer would be that steady hand."

"Of course, since Palmer is retired, he will have to give an indication that he would be willing to play for the Dolphins before any trade is made. The Dolphins aren't going to work on a deal if they don't have some sort of guarantee from him."

"This deal makes a ton of sense for both teams. The Bengals need to get something for Palmer and the Dolphins really need to upgrade at quarterback."

"Look for these two to get a deal done sooner rather than later."

Joseph Healy, Bleacher Report, Sept. 26

What better way for Ross to shrug off the claim that he closed the checkbook amd didn't want to sign a lot of FA's and extend contracs...the fan base and more would be so upset if the real story was confirmed and he did do that....this way if he does land Palmer he can say it was in the works the whole time...sneaky sneaky

It is really pretty simple attack the middle of the endzone.

I've seen hundreds of play action passes for the TE result in TD's.

We go into shotgun which screams pass, not to confusing for the defense.

Cmon Mando, Sparano loves the field goals in the RedZone. I never saw a coach get so excited for 3 points than this clown. He is Mr Rah Rah but not head coach material. Demote him to line coach and see if he can teach our line how to block. Cleveland defense had 5 sacks and Miami's returning top rated defense had zero. Where are the freaking linebackers?? Kevin Burnett is an upgrade?? NOT!! Second leading rusher on the team is Henne. Where the heck is BUSH??!! Where is the check down throw to him? Why do we constantly design runs inside for him? Why can't we utilize his so called speed and set up some screens, sweeps, etc for him? Why is it that the only time Henne throws deep is when we need 10-15yds for a field goal chance at the end of the game, then he decides to throw the homerun ball?? Why can't you dink and dunk during the last series like he did all freaking game long? To not gain a single freaking yard on the last series when we were handed such great field position is just a crime!! This team is coached by MORONS!! I'm so glad we are going to open up the offense this year and be more explosive.

And in case any one is wondering why we don't use the TE more in the red zone (and between the twenties for that matter) I just read a stat that said Fasano was being used in a max block protection 60% of plays. Thanks Colombo. This guy is actually hurting the team. Tony could have moved Carey back to RT. That's on him.

Poizen/Craig/Devil/kris/Joe, wondering if any of you guys saw those plays in our last drive. Devil, I brought this point up in an earlier post, but I'm trying to figure out if it was Henne or not. Those 2 long balls (to Bess and Clyde), they were NOT open. So I'm trying to figure out if this was a designed play, or if Henne had underneath receivers he either never saw or decided against making that read.

If it was a designed long pass, then I blame Daboll more than Henne (when you only need 20 yards, STUPID to throw the long ball which really isn't Henne's strong suit). If there were better choices and Henne decided to go for the kill, then it's probably on Henne.

Poizen, I'm not bringing this up because I blame Henne by the way. I'm doing it because this is USUALLY how teams win in the NFL, last minute heroics. It's happened before, and it'll happen again. And if Henne is going to be around here past this year, he NEEDS to figure out how to be clutch during these times (no one else is the QB). Even having to overcome weaknesses from the rest of the offense (see Romo escape an 8-man blitz last night?). You're absolutely correct, Henne hasn't lost any game this year. But he hasn't won any game either. Unfortunately, that's the pressure of being the QB, you get a majority of the blame for a loss and a majority of the credit for a win. While I'm not blaming Henne, I'm also tempering my positive feeling about him because in the end, your job is to make the offense work (as the QB) no matter what else is going wrong.

Jeff, also I've seen a bunch of stacked WR's on one side down inside the 10yd line and them throw a quick hit to the RB for an easy TD. Why can't we use Bush like that more often instead of the low percentage fade route. How about a LOB jumpball for BM to go up and get...he can win that battle, and that prevents Henne throwing a frozen rope from 3 yards out and a possible drop

Yeah but C63 Armando is the only one with the theory that Ross has purposely closed the check book this season. Unless you have read it somewhere else? I haven't seen anything yet. And Armando said "if it's true" and sited unnamed sources. We can't believe everything we read. I'll wait until the facts come out. I guess same as the Palmer trade, who knows and we will have to wait. But you're right if it is true this would bail him out on the accusation.

Also, just want to clarify, personally I give Henne very little blame for any loss this year. The majority of my blame is on the GM and Coach. Next comes the defense (they WERE supposed to be our shining star), then the oline, then the TE, then the RBs (but that's partially oline too), then WR, ONLY THEN Henne.

Unfortunately, though, Henne mistakes/issues/problems are the most difficult to overcome because he starts every single play and makes every single read and calls every single audible, etc.

"hurting the team",,,,in more ways than one.

Unless Palmer can play defense, why bother bringing him in NOW?

If a deal gets done, this would be the last straw for fans. 0-3 & I don't think Palmer could play right away because of his shape & or playbook.

If we're 0-5 by the time he plays & we are essentially eliminated from the playoffs...is it worth trading a pick or player for the guy?

Talk about a trade that NOW makes ZERO sense. In August, yea. Not now. This is Chad's team, better or worse. He's a captain. Trying to get a QB now undercuts him & makes the team look ridiculous.

Henne's turnovers causing losses? That's crap. How about missed FGs, dropped passes in the red-zone, running back's fumbling, broken coverages, ultra-conservative doosh-bag play calling and piss-poor clock management.

yeah, Carson Palmer will fix everthing...stupid, stupid, stupid.

Our Coach doesn't know how to get his team ready to play. How does Palmer fix that?

Did Odrick even play last week? Another draft bust..

g

You are stuck on the Jets game for some reason. It is irrelevant to my point if Romo screwed up in another game.

I was using last nights game as an example of a QB who under terrible conditions and many team mistakes, was still able to put the team on his shoulders when it mattered most for a game winning score.

The point is everyone constantly makes excuses for why Henne couldn't pull out the victory, and sometimes, believe it or not, it is on Henne.

Henne never does what Romo did last night.
Henne never does what Colt McCoy did Sunday.
Henne never does what Sanchez has done several times.
Henne never does what Fitzpatrick did against NE Sunday.

Need I go on?

I think Merling was inactive for Olshansky, who funny enough, was the guy who committed a BIG drive saving penalty to help the Browns.

DC you didn't include me in the question but I'm going to answer anyway! :)

No just an observation on this;

"So I'm trying to figure out if this was a designed play, or if Henne had underneath receivers he either never saw or decided against making that read."

I would bet against Henne not seeing his underneath receivers considering the frequency and accuracy with which he throws the short pass. Seems like they were called plays. But that's the thing, the QB has the right to check off of those receivers but I'm not sure if anyone else was open. A columnist was making a point that our WRs are having a lot of trouble creating separation and the o-lines inability to pass block is really hampering the passing game.

Not a huge Henne fan but the game plan to beat Brady is too pressure him. You pressure any QB and they become mediocre. I'm just not understanding why so few people are seeing that Henne NEVER has time to let his receivers even get half way through their routes before having to throw the ball.

Guys

I don't hate Henne. I really don't. I had much hope for him. When all is said and done, is Henne the guy I would want as my QB in the playoffs?

No.

Doesn't matter the time of day. I come here and it's always the SAME damn bunch of haggard old lesbians bitching and moaning.

You old hens are unreal. Same 'bla bla bla' day after day.

Get outside for a change. Breathe some fresh air. Damn crabby old lesbians.

Posted by: Rocko | September 27, 2011 at 10:42 AM

What an idiot! Day after day you come here & repeat the same exact thing like every1 else.

Go do something useful & jump off a very tall building.

78, I'll check around because I thought I did see that accusation elsewhere...I'll post the link if I can find it again.
Not sure if I like the Palmer thing, rather have luck next year

Joe with all due respect the 'making the team look ridiculous bus' started it's cross country tour last year. I don't have too much of an opinion on the Palmer rumor yet but I will say this. If they got Palmer we would actually be able to put some questions to rest sooner than later and if I were Henne I would almost welcome it.

"Okay, y'all hate me so much and think I'm the problem. lets see what Palmer can do behind this o-line with no open WR's"!

I think we would get a better gauge of where our team is at with a former pro bowl QB, a vet who knows his stuff, throwing the ball around. Could be the best thing that ever happened to young Chad!

C63-AMG, Sounds good. I want Luck too but with so many bad teams who would also pick a QB I don't think our chances are good. We could still get a VERY good QB at pick 5 to 10 and then Carson would be in place to mentor that person for a year. Palmer, Henne as back up, and rookie 1st round pick next year with a new coach and new Gm.

I really hope Ireland isn't picking that QB .

Phins 78, the claim that WR's aren't open is a joke right? How do we navigate between the 20's with ease most times? Because guys are blanketed? Come on.

Down near the goalline, there isn't alot of room to operate. Defenses have LESS to cover. This isn't anything new. QB's need to be precise to succeed in the red zone.

WR's RARELY run wide open in the endzone unless it's a totally blown coverage or a wicked play action fake.

Example: Was Massaquoi wide open? No, it was a perfectly thrown ball.

Or it could be the worst thing that's happened in his career. If Palmer comes in and gets this offense scoring we will know for sure where the problem lies and can more easily move on next season with no lingering doubts.

IMO I'm seeing this as a good thing for the team either way. But chances are slim this happens.

If it is within 3 feet of you, you have to catch it.

it's quit obvious that Miami needs an upgrade in management! from the owner to the scouts. i personally feel they are not good evaluators when it comes to football talent. and the personnel moves they made this year is puzzling to say the least. if Ross has truly quit on this team then he needs to sale the team and move on! we dont need the Dolphins becoming the Clippers of the NFL. team who doesn't spend to make improvements or try to win championships. as a loyal fan even through the 1-15 year it sickens me to see the way this team is performing this year. a MAJOR change is clearly needed!

Ireland was a scout under Carl Peterson in Kansas City. Peterson is best of friends with Dolphins owner Steve Ross.

Hey phins78...PALMER WOULDNT LAST ONE GAME, hes fragile as it is, warm up the streture!

Most amazing hands I ever saw were Fred Biletnikoff's. He seemed to have something like, well, glue on his hands.

Shut up, lesbian.

Posted by: Rocko | September 27, 2011 at 10:54 AM

Wow! Such originality! What a dumkoff!

Yeah I'm not arguing that Joe. Not a Henne apologist here. But I have noticed when the pressure is on and we need a play the receivers seem to slow down with the exception of Hartline. McCoys throw was beautiful but the WR did have a couple of yards separation. Wilson was close to the goal line and the WR was about 5 yards into the end zone. He created just enough separation to allow for a window. And Henne has never made a throw like that so yeah that's on him. But sheesh, how many times has Marshall had balls thrown to him where he hasn't had to outmuscle a WR for the ball? Ya know? The only passes he gets open for are outs and come backs, he rarely if ever gets open on go routes and crossing routes.

With that being said I blame this on SPARANO ONCE AGAIN! It's just another example of him being in over his head and not knowing how to use his personnel properly Marshall shouldn't be used on certain routes. Gates, Moore, and Wallace all have better speed and are sitting on the bench.

DC....in regards to your question.....I had ZERO faith that Henne would lead us down the feild.....even 20 yards....I don't believe he has done ANYTHING resembling a 2 min offence since the jets game a couple of years ago....

So to be honest....I was only half watching at the time....

I had already had a shot of my boy's moonshine.....a few glasses of Hennessey....and some beers.....

those last 43 seconds were pretty much a blur.....thats why I haven't really commented on them.....

I only talk about what I either feel strongly about...or have a high degree of certainty about....

But, but, Marc, who is going to buy Ross out? You?

Yeah G, I'm surprised Henne isn't in the hospital now playing behind the right side of this o-line.

And it almost destroyed Him

Joe, I do not discredit your argument, but lets not pick one play where Brees put the ball on the money and one where Henne didnt.

That is one play of each out of hundreds.

I saw Brees underthrow 2 receivers the first two weeks that were terrible int's

I also way Henne nail hartline in the endzone with no seperation, and hit Clyde gates streaking down the middle of the field 50 yards right on his hands with him double covered, ended up being pass interfernece.

There are passes all these guys make and dont.

Henne is not Brees or Brady, but very few teams have those guys. Henne beng compared in the likes of those people is a compliment.

My point is, I am not discounting Henne completly. But there are far better fish to be frying than Henne.

He has put us in position to win games, that is a QB's job. He is not required to WIN the team game, the team is. I think that is an important point.

Again Joe, in all due respoect, not discounting your opinion fully.

Unfortunately, no one cares anymore Mando. We are all sick of this pathetic organization.

Stephen Ross --- PATHETIC.
Jeff Ireland --- PATHETIC.

The season is OVER. This blog will begin to die as feelings of apathy fall in. People will stop posting. People will stop caring.

Congratulation Mr. Ross on destroying one of the greatest NFL franchises.

Pathetic.

Just heard slash say 'EXspecially' on ESPN. Why have we changed this word from ESpecially and why is it acceptable to be that ignorant and still make $500,000 a year? And while we're at it I wish people would stop saying "I could care less" because it's wrong, the saying is "I COULDN'T care less".

oscar,it was called stick'em back in freds day. he a real axxhole in person too btw.lol

jeff ireland sucks people will stop going to games and maybe stop watching but only the bandwagoners will stop caring.

And are you nuts, do you really thin anyone will stop posting?! :) They'll just start talking about food again!

Biggest problem is we can't fire Stephen Ross. He is going to own the team until he dies or sells the team. Since he paid a fortune and would lose money selling it, I don't see this as a possibility.

We are stuck with Stephen Ross for a long, long time.

Only other hope is Stephen hires someone who knows what they are doing and opens back up the pocketbook. What are the chances of that? He has been a complete screw up so far as owner of this team. Doesn't make me feel good he is going to be able to fix it.

Never thought I would say this, but I miss Wayne!

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