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How other teams scored from red zone 41 times Sunday

The Dolphins had three red zone trips on Sunday against the Cleveland Browns. They scored one touchdown and settled for two field goals.

So drives that could have been maximized for three touchdowns, 21 points, resulted in only 13 points.

That is a big deal when one considers this game was decided by one point.

So, again, why are the Dolphins not maximizing? Why are they not cashing in?

I've stopped looking to the Dolphins for answers.

I'm looking elsewhere -- like the rest of the NFL. And in the NFL on Sunday the rest of the league scored 41 red zone touchdowns.

Of those 41 touchdowns, 13 were scored when quarterbacks hooked up with wide receivers for the six-pointers. Quarterbacks found their tight ends for 11 of those 41 red zone touchdowns. And quarterbacks connected with running back for three red zone passing touchdowns.

All told, of the 41 red zone touchdowns scored by teams not named the Miami Dolphins or Cleveland Browns, 27 came via the pass. So teams that got into the end zone once they reached the red zone did it by passing 65 percent of the time.

The running scores?

Running backs scored on runs nine times. Quarterbacks had touchdown runs five times.

So what does all this mean?

It's quite clear, really.

The most important player in the red zone is the quarterback. On Sunday, the quarterback threw a touchdown or scored himself 32 of the 41 red zone successes teams had. The wide receiver is obviously the next most productive player for teams in the red zone and the tight end is not very far behind him.

But here's the problem: The players manning those positions for the Dolphins are not delivering in the red zone.

Yesterday, for example, quarterback Chad Henne completed 65.5 percent of his passes for the game. But inside the red zone he completed only 2 of 5 passes for a 40 percent completion rate. He also broke a team red zone rule by taking a sack. (Obviously, that may or may not have been something he could have avoided.)

Brandon Marshall had four catches for 43 yards yesterday, which by the way is not very good at all. Anyway, Marshall was worse in the red zone. He was unable to beat one-on-one coverage from Joe Haden and his lone red zone pass went incomplete.

That pass, by the way, was catchable. Yes, it would have been an outstanding catch, but those are the kind of catches big-time receivers are supposed to deliver. Marshall did not. And don't take my word for it. The pictures, sent in by this blog's rising screen grab specialist Justin Reardon, show the play in all its inglorious outcome:

Marshall redzone1 
Above Marshall has practically no separation, but the ball is headed right to his hands. It's a good throw.

Marshall redzone2 
Now the ball is in Marshall's hands. Joe Haden is still trying to bat it in the air, but it's too late. The DBs only hope now is batting it from Marshall's grasp or having Marshall drop it.

Marshall redzone3 
Well, Haden can stop hoping to bat it from Marshall's grasp because it's in the guy's hands. Now he has to hope Marshall simply drops the ball.

Marshall redzone4 
And that is exactly what happens. As Haden whiffs, Marshall has let the ball go through his hands. Incomplete. No touchdown.

Davone Bess was targetted once in the red zone. He wasn't really open. Anthony Fasano was targetted once in the red zone. Nothing.

Fasano is of particular interest to me. The tight end, you see, is supposed to make his money in the red zone. He needs to be a presence there and that point is made in the stats I related above. Tight ends are supposed to be major red zone weapons.

Fasano is not. Hmmm, this is more evidence the Dolphins need that upgrade at tight end the team still refuses to do.

Finally, I'd say the Dolphins might think of using their RBs more as weapons in the red zone. Their red zone success Sunday came on a screen pass to Daniel Thomas that turned into a 10-yard score. Thomas also carried three times in the red zone for 8 yards. The running plays yielded modest return, but what about using the RBs as receiving weapons?

Isn't Reggie Bush supposed to be this big mismatch with linebackers whenever he's on the field? Why not use him?

Obviously, I'm not a coach and do not pretend to be one. But I have eyes. And what Miami has been doing so far doesn't equal necessarily what the rest of the league is doing.

The positions that are producing the big red zone success elsewhere aren't doing that in Miami. That's a problem.

On many levels.

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Phins78
No one can't post your comment any better that was real good!!! We all here got the point on TS JI we know what they made of...now does Ross want to know does he want to change the situation??? There is a good timer saying if the head of the fish stink
Than the whole fish is no good!! We need fresh fish, a fresh Dolphin one that doesnt
STINK!!!


odinseye

I see Henne is a very touchy subject with you. I have pointed out over and over that yes much of the team has been making mistakes, that is not arguable. Read Cote's article today on Henne not ready to be a hero and he hits the nail on the head of what I am saying.

-I did read cotes article, I thought it was right on the money. Regardless of what happened up tp that moment Henne has to take the reins and lead us to victory. No excuses, he should have and he didn't! He aso had a perfect chance to establish another step taken and win some big fan support. In this, he simply blew it.

You call me a troll about every ten days so I'm used to that. As far as Tebow goes, I have no idea where you are coming from. I am not a fan of college ball, never watch it, and there is nothing about Tebow that has ever interested me in any way.

-I don't think you're a troll at all. Extremely anti Henne, but definitely not a troll. Troll's don't have any reasoning and logic behind their posts like you do. We strongly disagree, but that why I like debating(more like try to bust your chops-LOL)with you.

The difference is, I make a comment about Henne, and everyone else brings up where everyone else failed. Fine, I have conceded time and again that there are many team failures beyond Henne. On numerous occasions I have commented on Marshall, the overrated D(it was not #6 overall last year, it was #6 in rushing yardage, one stat), and I've slammed the coaching.

I unerstand, still I think you're being a bit to quick in regards to Henne. Lots of guys pick up the NFL game quicker, but to be fair, Henne just three games ago was allowed for the first time to audible at the line of scrimmage? WTF? I'm not making excuses, but if you were trying to develop a young QB, would you deny him the ability to audible? That' a crucial thing in ANY QB's development. It might turn out to be a day late and a dollar short, but now that Henne has been unchained, he's improving at light speed compared to years past under HenningS. With just a little support I see him continuing to improve until he becomes a top 1/3 starter. I'd hate to see him become the next Welker, just saying........

The thing is, EVERYONE here agrees this is Henne's make or break season, so I am trying to isolate the moments that give us a glimpse as to him as a performer above and beyond the team as a whole. Repeating myself, yes the TEAM made numerous mistakes Sunday, but the TEAM did have us in position to win. Colt McCoy made clutch throws on a clutch drive to get the go ahead score, Henne didn't. On that final drive once he again failed in the clutch. Incomplete, Incomplete, Incomplete, Int.

-I predicted to everyone that Henne was due for an implosion by trying to force things. I have to agree with you on this one single point, thank God the implosion wasn't worse!

We have seen countless times other QB's with less experience on often even less talented teams make clutch plays to seize a win, yet Henne appears to be incapable of that. He is the Anti-Clutch of NFL QB's. He had a golden opportunity Sunday, 4 tries to make a play, he goes 0 for 4 with the game on the line. Winning QB's find a way to make something happen in that situation, regardless of the play called. I am now convinced he is never the QB I'd want on my team come playoff time.

Posted by: DevilsAdvocate | September 27, 2011 at 01:17 PM

-This is where we disagree the most. I think with FINALLY the chance to develop his game with READS and audibling, he finally gets it. Seriously, if you don't let the guy audible, how does he even get any work on the all important pre snap reads.

The way I see it, Henne has one last hurdle to make and he's knocking on the door of elite. He improves his 4th quarter and Red Zone game and he's there. He's aleady PROVED he's improved in the redzone by throwing 6 td's in three games(would be 9 if not for Marshall's dropsies).

If Henne improves the fade and 4th quarter aspects of the game, he's a keeper. He's a lot closer than you give him credit for and he's STILL very YOUNG!

PS: Palmer is the only way Ireland surpasses his already ridiculous amount of ignorance thus far. Go Jeffy!

Always a PLEASURE Devil................;)

Wow, 0 and 3., Ouch. What can be said?,Iam Postless.

"First one thing happens...and then another...and another...and before you know it, you're in over your head...just like quicksand!" (Keanu Reeves).

Odinseye
It's been three years if he can't do it this year or next few games he will never do it!! I believe Henne just don't have that ability to take over a game or come back from behind or put the team on his shoulder like some of the young QB's in this league.
Let's face it PHINFANS It's never going to happen Henne is just a average QB that will be a valuable backup QB!!! It's time for some luck to come on our side....LOL!

Dear Mr. Salguero

If the Miami Dolphins were a military unit someone would have been fragged by now


Soiled :)

Gotta agree With Odin, I have Noticed a big Improvement from Henne, Not saying he'll ever be Elite but he is'nt as bad as last season, I think he's the bright spot on a otherwise dark team.These guys seem to not really care, Case in point being Brandon Marshall, What kind of Idiot gets that type of stupid penilty?, If Shula are any other "Old School" coach were the teams coach this guy would have been Traded the next day.JMHO

Tracy, lol (on the defensive lineman with the 1st overall pick).

I think if we got the 1st pick, and didn't take Luck, Sun Life would be bombed.

We have excuses in bulk!

" Sometimes you got to destroy the village to save the village"
General Westmoreland Dec 16 1968

Hours later, and still the same den of cackling, haggardly old lesbians in here.

Bunch of old hens clucking away all day.

Go outside! Mow the lawn! Buy a shirt at the mall! Anything!

Silly old lesbians.

Posted by: Rocko | September 27, 2011 at 02:27 PM

Hours later, still the same childish rant. What a broken record!


Please explain what the right players would be for us.

Posted by: oscar canosa | September 27, 2011 at 02:01 PM


I don't know what Cross meant, but let me just throw this out there:

I think the right player for us would be one that can actually BLOCK! Wouldn't it be nice to have more than two guys on the team that can block-LOL?

We have excuses in bulk!

Posted by: The Excuse Depot | September 27, 2011 at 02:33 PM

The "Excuse Depot" Is just a cheap rip-off of The "Excuse Factory"
I Sir well be contacting my attorney.

Why can't we use Reggie Bush the same way NO did? Idk, Thomas sure looks like the number 1 rb. Use Bush in the middle, pass and he'll make it happens. TS has no idea of what he's doing. As far as Henne, I've been critical in the past. Unlike Cote, I think Hennes improved. His stats say he's playing better, but he can't come through in the clutch. BM can't catch, Hartline was better overall. My 2 cents!

You makes 'em, I sells 'em...in bulk.

LMAOROTF Over The Excuse Factory And Excuse Depot, At least someone has a since of humor in these Troubled times.

Dear Mr. Salguero

Do the Miami Dolphins want to win ?

Winning and being a winner takes commitment....just ask my successful ex wifes and girlfriends...dump the loser.


Soiled :)

Hey wait a minute


Odinseye
It's been three years if he can't do it this year or next few games he will never do it!! I believe Henne just don't have that ability to take over a game or come back from behind or put the team on his shoulder like some of the young QB's in this league.
Let's face it PHINFANS It's never going to happen Henne is just a average QB that will be a valuable backup QB!!! It's time for some luck to come on our side....LOL!

Posted by: ray | September 27, 2011 at 02:27 PM


First of all, If I were the GM, I'm drafting a QB first round next year if I have the opportunity-REGARDLESS!

Having said that, Henne in three games under Daboll has shown more improvement than all three years combined under HenningS.

He may never get it, that remains to be seen. One fact I can point out though, in 55 years of leading offenses, Dan Henning never developed one single QB. NOT ONE! On the contrary, he's quarterback poisen and has ruined more than one QB.

Henne is getting the consistency down and all the things that go along with it. He doesn't have far to go to be knocking on the door of elite. With just a tiny bit of support from the defense and Marshall, Henne could have at 0-3 right now and improving.

Having said all that though, My Spider sense tells Henne get the ax and leads some other team to the playoffs next year. It's just the way it goes here in MIAMI! Call it a curse, call it whatever you want, since firing Shula and retiring Marino this franchise has done NOTHING right.

I suspect the curse continues with Henne winning a Super Bowl.........as a Jaguar!

and all that being said, miami is continues on it's loosing ways and bad decisions by releasing one of the only players left that truly offers any form OF consistancy and that player is LOUSAKA POLITE! da, da, da!!! miami foolishly rids itself of the one play it could count on time after time, LOU, up the gut for a 1st down! FOOLS! and they wonder why the team is inconsistant, look at welker, has he dropped a ball yet this year? BOOM! 5, 10, 15, 20yds, like NAILS, consistancy! the only form of consistancy miami has is INCONSISTANCY! catch one, drop one, maybe i'll score, maybe i won't, maybe we'll win, probably not!

BTW, anybody not convinced Bellicheat and Goodell have illicit realations needs to check out NFL-dt-com!

You'd thnk the lowly Blls upsettnghe Mighty Pats would be big news.

Nary a whisper...........................?

Oh heck. I will finally give Mando a little love. Good article. Its the truth and nothing but the truth.

PS...you touched on a very important issue. There are so many questions about what this team is doing. Its pretty much like they don't know what they are doing. Reggie Bush should be leading the NFL in redzone scores. And whatever happened to the two tight end sets we were running in the pre-season?

This team has no heart. They play softer and softer every year.

Of course the TD bomb to Hartline against the pats wa horrible and doesn't even count anyways.....right-LOL!

Oh Brother ;)

Posted by: odinseye | September 27, 2011 at 01:55 PM

Oh Brother is right! You probably sound as dumb as your text reads!

A bomb now is defined by a 10 yard TD pass? Talk about LOL & ROTFLMAO! Grab your bottle & crawl back under your rock.

I gave Henne praise today. You picked 1 post to phins78 about a PART of his game & go on a tangent about everything else in another post. What a girl!

BOOO HOOO HE's BEING MEAN TO HENNE! Go call the WAAAAHMUBALNCE!

Your sensitivity to Henne is as pathetic as your LOL's.

If we can talk about his improvement, and I/we have TODAY, we can talk about his flaws without you getting your panties twisted, can't we? No? Why not?

This coming from the "guy" who dissed all the pessimists & realists before the season started. Only to come back 2 weeks later & want Henne traded for value & everyone fired & signing the same tune we were. What a putz!


You're arrogance is only superceeded by your ignorance. And you question what others know & you know more than everyone? In what universe?

If you think a bomb is a 10 yard pass, & you just stated as such, nothing else needs to be said.

Oh wait....GO AWAY

I have a theory. Just like it takes time for the game to slow down for players I think it takes time for the game to slow down for Tony.

He reminds me of Mike Singletary. This game is too fast for Tony.

JO SMOE,MR ODIN IS A GRAET FAN AND SHOULD BE TREATED AS SUCH,JUST BCAUSE HE HAS ALCOHE ILLNESS DONT BE VENGEFUL.

Dolphins should trade Brandon Marshall to the Bears NOW! But Ireland is too stupid to do it. I would get rid of a few players before the trade deadline and accumulate some picks for next year. The new FO and coach will need them to rebuild this pathetic team.

I think it's time we start looking At Brandon Marshall as another bad trade for the Miami Dolphins. We gave up two second roun picks for a guy that has yet to distinguished himself with any consistency. Two things you can count on from Brandon. One he will pout like a little kid when the ball is not thrown his way and he will drop a TD pass at leat once a game. Marshall runs lousy pass pattterns and gets no seperation. If I am the GM I would trade him in a heart beat.

d-dense, very easy answer to your question "why can't we use Bush like NO?"

BECAUSE, Tony Sparano is smarter than EVERYONE else! Don't you know that by now bro?

Reshad Jones is NOT a free safety, all the Georgia Coaches said he was a strong safety. But, Tony knows best.

Bush is NOT a between the tackles runner. EVERYONE who's ever seen him play says that. But, Tony knows best.

Marc Colombo is NOT a good RT. He's actually WORSE than Carey (at least last year). But, Tony knows best.

Marlon Moore has speed, size and can be a good target in the red zone. Yet he can't see the field because we need 50 olinemen to rotate in. Tony knows best.

The rest of the league has long ago moved to a passing offense, chunk yards, TE's that can catch. 'Tony come lately' is one of the last remaining Coaches to evolve to the new reality. WHY?

TONY KNOWS BEST!!!

Come on down! We're Goin' Crazy!

Albert, You forgot that he'll also get sometype of unsportsman like conduct penilty at least once every 3 games cause.., well cause he's stupid.

Anyone noticed that the Cowboys won last night with 6 field goals and no TD? Sparano and Henning would be proud.

NFL films should put a mic on Ireland and Sparano and film them 24-7. It would be a very interesting film in how not to run an NFL Franchise. Wouldn't mind bonus coverage of Stephen Ross too.

A bomb now is defined by a 10 yard TD pass? Talk about LOL & ROTFLMAO! Grab your bottle & crawl back under your rock.

Joe Schmoe @ 03:19 PM

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Marlon Moore has speed, size and can be a good target in the red zone. Yet he can't see the field because we need 50 olinemen to rotate in. Tony knows best.

TONY KNOWS BEST!!!

Posted by: DC Dolfan | September 27, 2011 at 03:31 PM

Classic! Jerry got action 2 years in a row, even if it's because of injury. I think we can classify that draft pick as a success now!

Dear Mr. Aloco

I've got some errands to run...need some smokes and lotto tickets and am down to my last 12 pack of 40's but will make an effort to get you a thank you card.


Soiled :)

Aloco, Some People say you have a Inhalent(Glue,Paint)Problem. What's the deal?, Everyone has a crutch,E.G Tony Sporono is dumb., What say you?


If we can talk about his improvement, and I/we have TODAY, we can talk about his flaws without you getting your panties twisted, can't we? No? Why not?

This coming from the "guy" who dissed all the pessimists & realists before the season started. Only to come back 2 weeks later & want Henne traded for value & everyone fired & signing the same tune we were. What a putz!


You're arrogance is only superceeded by your ignorance. And you question what others know & you know more than everyone? In what universe?

If you think a bomb is a 10 yard pass, & you just stated as such, nothing else needs to be said.

Oh wait....GO AWAY

Posted by: Joe Schmoe | September 27, 2011 at 03:19 PM


This is pathetic Joe Blow! The one mistake I made was in typing the pats name. Actually for your info dufus, it was 63 yard TD to Hartline(a beauty no doubt), Oooooooooo, sorry I typed the wrong team name.

Anywhoo, for all your blabbering, ignorance and name calling, you must have "FORGOTTEN" to refute one single fact I posted that absolutely and questionably dismissed all of your Blow Hard Rhetoric, NICE-LOL!

I guess your one of those guys that NEVER let the FACTS get in the way of a good story, Huh? Brilliant(snicker, snicker).

As far as ignorance, yours undubitably surpasses all. When I was posting Trade Henne and fire EVERYONE I was simply making fun of the blow hard knee jerkers-LOL In other words you Joe Blow Me Hard ;p

You watched the same three games as the rest of us and all you found fault with was Henne. Dude, you posted it, call me all the names you want, but in the end, you have to own it.

You saw the defense, as we all did. You saw Sapp and Carrol.

YOU saw Marshall drop 6 passes in two games, 3 of which were SURE TD's.

You saw the turnstile "TRULY" offensive line, AS WE ALL DID-LOL.

And yet, in your expert analysis, THE QB is the PROBLEM? ROTFLMAO!

I'd tell you to "Get Lost" Joe, but it's pretty obvious, in MY EXPERT ANALYSIS, you already ARE-Sheesh ;P

Aloco, The only problem I got with Alcohol is when I run out.Odin, Can you testify about this my brother from another mother.

Aloco, You are the poster child for the failed public school system in America.

Quick Aloco, Name the capital of Ohio?

No Aloco it's not the O.


JO SMOE,MR ODIN IS A GRAET FAN AND SHOULD BE TREATED AS SUCH,JUST BCAUSE HE HAS ALCOHE ILLNESS DONT BE VENGEFUL.

Posted by: ALoco | September 27, 2011 at 03:24 PM


Yeah, don't hate Joe and ALoco, just cuz your both dummerin a stump stupid totally stone sober!

I can just imagine how goofy you two must get after just a lightweight two or three.

PS: Duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuur!!!!

God, what a friggin ninny you are.

Take your lumps like a man and go chase some other bloggers nuts.

FYI, you continue to make stuff up. Christ, you're pathetic.

In no way shape or form did I ever blame Henne for being 0-3. Stevie Wonder can see the oline sucks, our TE's are non existent, our D is a disaster. I have gone through it ALL. Why do you keep talking about the same points over n over n over n over?

See, like last week, you continue to "try" to bash me based on what I didn't say, versus what I did say.

Regardless, the result is the same. You have zero credibility. Unless it relates to liver damage.

Be gone Mongaloid!

ODIN TRYING TO GET INTO GANG OF DEFEET,JOE YOU HAVE UPGRADED FROM THE ACORN GROUP TO DONKY BRIGADE,FPFG,YOU ARNT EVEN READY FOR THE ACORN GROUP,ALL THE ABOVE DRINK SOME MORE,I GOT TO GO WORK TO SUPORT YOUR WELFARE.


Aloco, The only problem I got with Alcohol is when I run out.Odin, Can you testify about this my brother from another mother.

Posted by: FP4FGs | September 27, 2011 at 03:50 PM


More importantly, For ALoco supposedly supporting all my bad habits, he's doing a piss poor job.

I ran dry about midnight last night and that Glue Sniffing Joker was nowhere to be found.

Do you know what it's like waking up sober with no alcohol in the house? Not even a HANGOVER?

Aloco,

Get your high and mighty inhalent huffing a ss up the party store and get me some Bourban before you punch in at the Rainbow Room!

Ya here, Bu-oy?

Regardless, the result is the same. You have zero credibility. Unless it relates to liver damage.

Be gone Mongaloid!

Joe Schmoe @ 03:59 PM

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

LMAOROTF,JSBOMC, This is some funny stuff.

FP, I get LMAOROTF, But whats JSBOMC?

Ireland sucks made a great point and I think people glossed over it. I was thinking the same exact thing before I came back in here and that is Ireland should be looking to trade some players away. If he cares at all about the future of this franchise he should be looking to make a few trades, get a bunch of picks for next years draft like the Pats do.

1. Phillip Merling for a 4th (conditional 3rd if he meets a certain amount of goals)
2. Brandon Marshall for a 2nd. Let Moore and Gates develop and sign or draft someone next off season if they don't make the jump.

Those are the two positions we could afford to lose in a season where it's obvious they aren't going to the playoffs. It would be incredibly short sighted to hold on to these players. So how much you want to bet Jeff keeps them?

just to throw it out there...because this column IS about scoring in the red zone...BUT Dallas did win scoring only 18 points on 6 FGs...no TDs to be found...not that this is a strategy but it did win a game.

phins78, I don't want Ireland trading picks or players. He's done enough damage.

Let the next GM come in here & let him do the tinkering.



FYI, you continue to make stuff up. Christ, you're pathetic.

Me? Ah, Joe, is a 63 yarder not a "Bomb"? Quoting you JOE, nobody but you, you said Henne hasn't completed a Bomb since Ginn and the jets game.

-Now Joe, if posting the facts and pointing out how you actually made something up, means I made something up........ah.......well.......that just justifies my comments about you earlier, NO?

I'm still not following the logic Joey? You made up a truly baseless comment. I correct you with the FACTS. But, ah, somehow, I'm the bad guy making things up? Okee Dokey Joey. Talk about taking your lumps like a man? A tad hippocritical there Huh Joey? You posted it, OWN IT!

In no way shape or form did I ever blame Henne for being 0-3. Stevie Wonder can see the oline sucks, our TE's are non existent, our D is a disaster. I have gone through it ALL. Why do you keep talking about the same points over n over n over n over?

-You know what Joe, you've already exposed yourself as quite a few things today. If you like I'll go back and expose you as a liar too, on this one(please don't make me copy/paste on yo a ss(that's my computer gangster lingo-lol) I can't quote you verbatim, but you did say Henne cost us all three of those games, like it or not, you posted it!

See, like last week, you continue to "try" to bash me based on what I didn't say, versus what I did say.

-Huh? Not quite. Take your own advice and take your lumps like a man(or a woman)makes no difference to me. You did say it and you know it ;)

Regardless, the result is the same. You have zero credibility. Unless it relates to liver damage.

Be gone Mongaloid!

-And you and your healthy liver are what judging by what you've just posted TODAY? I think when you get caught red handed in two different baldfaced lies, your own credibility tends to suffer. BTW, why do you keep accusing me of doing exactly what you yourself have just done? This is getting strange, even for this place.

Call me all the names you want, but I just proved you were wrong, being a hippocrit and now a straight up liar.

I did ALL THAT while damging my LIVER-LOL!

PS: On a serious note Joe, get some help brother, YOU NEED IT ;P

FP, I get LMAOROTF, But whats JSBOMC?

Posted by: Just a Observer | September 27, 2011 at 04:12 PM

JSBOMC= "Just spit beer on my computer", Now thats Alohol abuse.

Guys, we need to give this FO a chance. Look, Year 1, we got Long (huge upgrade to the oline). Year 2, we got Smiley. Year 3, we got Incognito (to replace Smiley). Year 4, we got Pouncey.

Lookie there you numbnuts, we're only 2 years and 2 1st Draft picks away from completing our oline!!

Then in 3 years we can address the Safety position. In 4 years we'll address the TE position.

Give them 6 years, and they'll have Henne playing like Peyton Manning. We'll OWN the NFL in just 6-10 years.

So what's the problem, why is everyone being impatient. What's another decade?

I guarantee you if Ireland doesn't trade Merling the next regime will cut him. And then we get nothing. I would take a 4th in a heart beat as well as a 2nd for Marshall, doesn't matter who is trading them to me as long as they get this price. Now if you're saying Ireland will screw up the asking price and that's why your against him making trades I can see that. But I have doubts that Ross will fire Jeff when Tony goes. Jeff seems like a weasel and he's always in Ross' ear. I'm not sure if Ross is smart enough to know he's being taken for a ride. Jeff is very manipulative and could weasel his way into an extension. Scary isn't it?

DC.....you have been brining the pain today....

Good stuff.....all around

DC, That just might get you into Aloco's Gang of defeat. Ouch.

DC I started reading your and I couldn't believe it. I'm thinking, 'this guy's usually pretty smart what the hell is he talking about'? And then halfway through the sarcasm came to light. phew.

kris/FP4FG,

gotta laugh to keep from cryin!

FP4FG's,

Great, now you're making thirsty!

I got to get two kid's homework out of the way so I can really get busy ;)

PS: I just popped in while finishing up a Roast for the boys(eat your heart out ALoco). Soon I'll be getting ROASTED MYSELF!

Bottom's Up!!!!


On a side note, I have committed a plethora of grammatical errors today. The best was when I asked people to "bear" with me as if I wanted everyone to act like a bear with me or something. Classic idiocy.

Joe, just an observation of your last post of the things that are wrong with the phins.

you mentioned O-line, TE and although did not say drops I am sure you mean those.

That was my point to you and your judgement of Henne in the red zone. A QB does not go in the red zone alone. All pieces need to function better than ever due to the field shrinking.

so when we say Henne is BAD in the red zone I think that is an unfair assesment. especially counting the 3 td drops.

A team usually gets one real good shot in 4 downs to pass in a red zone, and 3 of our were dropped.

I will agree with you in the snese that Henne has not been lights out stellar in the Red Zone and in the clutch. But with all the other factors mentioned he has not been terrible either.

Anyway, back to agreeing to disagree. sorry to bring it up again, I saw an opportunity.

I still need to know if u and DC are going to the Giants game, I am not gonna spend money to get tortured alone. LOL

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