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What's up with the Dolphins' 2nd round picks?

Starting off today, the Dolphins have signed Will Allen to a one-year deal according to a source, thus surprising no one. There you go.

Running back Daniel Thomas missed the Dolphins regular-season opener on Monday and coach Tony Sparano made it clear Tuesday the decision to make the rookie inactive wasn't that difficult.

“It didn’t end up being too close," Sparano said.

Thomas was limited all last week. He'll likely be eased back into practice this week but his status is not at this moment certain for Sunday's game against Houston. That may or may not be a big loss because what we saw of Thomas in the preseason and training camp wasn't exactly eye-popping awesome.

He was there. Just there.

And while that does not suggest Thomas will be good or not going forward, it does say he hasn't gotten off to a fast start. The makes me ask the question that you saw in the headline:

What's up with the Dolphins and their second-round picks?

This team has done very good work with its first-round under the current administration. This team has done good work with undrafted free agents under the current administration.

The team's second-round picks under this administration? Not impressive so far.

Phillip Merling was Miami's first second-rounder selected under this administration. He contributes on the team's defensive line shuttle but he hasn't exactly had a great career so far. He missed most of last year with an Achilles' injury. He didn't meet expectations his second season after a solid rookie year. He's sitting behind players the Dolphins drafted after him.

Chad Henne was also a second-round pick in 2008. He's been a starter for three years and has a 13-15 record in those three years. There are big hopes he can become a good, consistent quarterback. But can he be considered anything but a wait-and-see pick yet? We have to wait and see.

In 2009, the Dolphins picked Pat White with the 44th overall selection. Everyone knows how that turned it.

The club also took Sean Smith with the 61st overall selection. He is a starter. He is solid. But is he great? Is he a difference-maker? Not yet. He had the opportunity to be that last season but struggled to hold on to the seven passes in his hands that he could have converted into interceptions had he held onto those passes.

Last season's second round selection was Koa Misi. Starter. Solid as a rookie. We are in wait-and-see mode with Misi.

So the summary of Miami's work so far in the second round?

A backup defensive lineman. A quarterback about which everyone is hopeful but hasn't arrived yet. A bust quarterback. A staring corner. A starting outside linebacker. And a running back that still hasn't get his career started.

By the way, I asked NFL Network analyst Brian Baldinger what he thinks of Thomas. Baldinger a former NFL offensive lineman studied all the draft picks this year.

"Is Daniel thomas going to help this football team? I don't think so. I think they missed on him," Baldinger said.

Why?

"He's a point of entry back which means he needs a hole to make yards rather than be good enough to make the hole himself," Thomas said. "He runs too upright. He's not going to give you anything on third down and he doesn't run with power. He has to build speed to get power. He's not going to push the pile. So I think he's going to be a very limited back for the Dolphins."

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The tape of that game is the greatest learning tool the dolphins have. They had better use it. I'm going to wait until the next game before I make judgements on the team but I will say that the dolphins Defense owe's us. They owe us a dominant performance and a win to remove the bitter taste lef in the mouth after watching the Patriots score for fun, bully our team and mock our pretentions of supporting a contender.

Texans v Dolphins. Redemption.

finsfan72, it will never change. ESPN is located in the heart of Patriots country. You wouldn't believe all of the Patriots and Red Sox gear that exists that building, it's like walking through a museum.

DB............THE BEST MIND RE FOOTBALL ON THIS FOURM........... I LIKE TO GET ON COWHER ,PLEASE DB.

I don't get why many are on the case of DThomas already, yes it is frustrating that he has been hurt and couldn't play against the Pats. I did see in the pre-season that he has some good quickness and burst for a bigger RB, and he had some decent runs... Give him a chance before we write him off.

The problem with the running game has been the OL, Ronnie and Ricky were very good and couldn't run well last year because of both the poor line and no passing threat, so far this year Henne has looked good.

Baldy doesn't understand that really no back gains yards if there isn't a hole to run through, we are not talking Earl Campbell, even he had blocking. Backs don't just get the ball and the run over 3 dlinemen, then the linebackers to a 8 yard gain, are you really serious?

Finally, LJ should have gotten some carries in the last game, that was stupid not to use him. Plus, it isn't Sparano, it isn't Henne, it isn't Ross... The main culprit in the Fins' issues.... Ireland! He has been over his head from the start! His personnel moves have hurt the team over and over.

Dolphin Disciple-

It is sickening how far ESPN is up Brady's ass, and the Pats and Jets are the greatest teams in NFL history if you believe the hype from ESPN. Makes me want to puke.

Posted by: finsfan72

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As much as I hate the Pats and Jets, at least they find a way to win. The Jets may be the luckiest team in the NFL. But until the Fins stop getting embarrassed in nationally televised games at HOME, they will go no respect and frankly, I don't blame ESPN.

Monday nights game was quite the spectacle...I was very entertaining by all the offensive output.
While Brady was Great, Henne was Very Good.

That said, it was one game that came off a shorten pre season.

Here are some other shockers in week one:

Saints gave up 42 points
Steelers gave up 35 points
Chiefs gave up 41 points (or the Bills scored 41)
Colts gave up 34
Falcons gave up 30
Giants gave up 28

So in perspective our defense was not quite as ready as these other teams with decent defenses.

There, does that make the haters feel any better?

Henne is absolutely consistent so far this season.

He has played ONE real game, and had ONE excellent game with 400+ yds passing and 59 yds rushing.

He looked sharp and in charge. Not perfect, no. But DAM GOOD!

And if discussing Henne is crap in your book, what makes any of your topics not crap?

Posted by: DevilsAdvocate | September 14, 2011 at 11:56 AM

The fact that I proclaim my topics to be noteworthy that's what. :)

DB...do you see TS and MIKE NOLAN FIRED AFTER A DEFEAT VS HOUSTON NEXT WEEK ?

bambu

no i'm only smokin the doobie from one end, its early season, a lot went wrong, i accept it's only my opinion, but a lot of what went wrong can be put right and quickly, the pats whipped us but imo we r still a much stronger team than the media and most bloggers reckon, the team have to suck this up and go and beat the texans

go fins, i at least believe u r going to the playoffs this season

JoeShmoe,

I pointed out yesterday that the only improvements I havent seen in Henne yet. Are the "endzone fade throw" and throw the damn ball to Marshall even if he isnt open. There's a 70% chance he still comes down with it.

Once Henne gets over his fear of these two things we'll be unstoppable in the redzone. &pts will be nearly automatic every trip.

LOL.....................................................

if you think henne's stats don't matter than all i can say is you don't know a thing about the game of football.

people like you have been saying henne sucks. he can't make the throws and all he does is make bad decisions.

Posted by: dm1dolphan | September 14, 2011 at 11:51 AM


1. Regarding your first point, then you are saying whoever has the best stats is the best player, and therefore Cam Newton is better than Henne. I can't relate to purely stats, they don't cover the intangibles.

2. People like me? What does that mean? And show me where I said Henne sucks, can you? I made a generic comment about stats.

People like YOU, are so amped up with tight panties that you over-react and superimpose your own thoughts on others comments.

dm1, please stop typing.

With every post, you look dumber.

Notice, several posters agree with my observation & none with yours. Irony or coincidence? Nuff said.

If you can't embrace reality, you have no place in the real world so I'll leave you to La La Land.

FYI - the truth does hurt sometimes, learn to accept that!

DOES ARMANDO KNOWS ANY FOOTBALL LIKE DB ? HE STILL HATE ON HENNE AFTER IT'S CLEAR THAT HE'S THE BEST PLAYER ON THIS TEAM ............


FIRE
MIKE
NOLAN

Hmmm...Henne left fourteen point off the board huh...first off on the field goal drive Henne hit Marshall right in the hands on the come back pattern that if Marshall holds on to as he is falling we don't have to kick the field goal...was that Henne's fault???? Second, Henne should never have had to throw that fade pattern to Hartline (which was a poor pass that Hartline wouldn't ahve had a prayer on even if it was perfect the way the db was all over him). Everybody and their grandmother knew there was no running threat which is PATHETIC when you are on the half yard line. Get off Henne's ass and put the blame where it belongs...$h!tty defense, piss poor o-line and a couple of bad play calls.

ALoco,

Let's go ahead and fire Nolan right now. He'll have have a new DC job before sundown!

LOL...................................................

Henne looked pretty good Monday night....His best (most comfortable) pass is that 10-20 yard deep in.....seems he will hit that 9 out of 10 times.....the any other route is still suspect with Henne throwing the ball....

Henne showed some nice fire....LEADERSHIP, GUTS AND TOUGHNESS....I liked it.....

Marshall looked more like the guy from Denver....then the Marshall we saw last year....he will break a few....looks very strong....

We will fix the redzone problems.....

The offence to me...looked like the ANTI-HENNING offence...with perhaps to much passing and too much shot gun....but over all very exciting....

We need our playmakers to finish plays....NO MORE GETTING STOPPED INSIDE THE 5 YARD LINE...when you just broke a 40 yarder....FINISH THE DAM PLAY.....

Firing Nolan would be giving him a reward.

JoeShmoe,

I pointed out yesterday that the only improvements I havent seen in Henne yet. Are the "endzone fade throw" and throw the damn ball to Marshall even if he isnt open. There's a 70% chance he still comes down with it.

Posted by: DyingBreed | September 14, 2011 at 12:03 PM

There are ways to fix it, certaintly. They are:

1. Find a red zone running game
2. Practice the fade all darn practice if you have to
3. Depending on how #2 goes, either don't call the play anymore or just spike it. Same result

LOL

In all honesty, some people here are wound sooo tight that they cannot accept the truth. Nitpicking is not necessary but when we're talking about throws that cost 7 points? THOSE ARE LEGIT CONCERNS!

Some people need to get a grip & deal with it or get lost. Can't take the heat, leave. if you stay, take of your granny panties & nut up!

So in perspective our defense was not quite as ready as these other teams with decent defenses.

There, does that make the haters feel any better?

Posted by: NHFINSFAN

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The problem isn't the players, it is the coaches and FO for:
(1) Not have the team physically prepared. Not excuse for all of the cramping at home in the heat.
(2) Not having the right personnel. Miami cuts Will Allen so they don't have to guarantee his contract. Noland Carroll is not a suitable backup or the guy they cut.
(3) The Dolphins looked unprepared on Defense. They had no idea where to line-up. There were multiple times the ball was hiked an no one was lined up on a WR. Very poor coaching & inexcusable for having all summer to prepare.
(4) Inability to run between tackles is due to personnel. They get rid of Ronnie & Ricky & Polite and have no one to run it / black for up the middle on first and goal for the two. The failure to be able to convert these was the difference in the game.

P.S. Ricky would have been able to do it. They didn't resign Ricky cause he insulted the coaching staff at the end of last season. Problem is, Ricky was right.

Devil the only problem I had with your original post to me was it looked like you lumped me in with all of the Henne apologists. I'm a realist and wait for the numbers to come in before I make any judgments.

But I think we're all on the same side and want to see Henne be a better QB so the team will benefit and that's what I'm confused about. I feel like there are some who so hate Henne that they would rather watch him fail so that they can say they were right. I mean when your qb shows obvious signs of improvement and some people still come in here to bash him what else should I think? It seems pretty obvious.

Will "she" be active this week?

Finfan72

I noticed it a while ago as soon as the Jets started doing well. I think that almost love Rex as much as they do Brady. That little weasel Mike (from Mike and Mike) services the whole team.

The redzone is still the biggest concern. Seeing Sparano wimp out on calling a run from 1/2 yard out shows how little confidence he had. What has better odds, a 1/2 yard run (or sneak) or a fade pass from someone who has never thrown the fade pass well?

I wonder why LJ wasn't used at all Mon night?

That was surprising to me, especially given the struggles on goal line situations.

LJ looked pretty good the one PS game he played. Why resign him if you won't use him?

And if you're not going to use him, why not resign Polite instead?

Sparan on Reshad Jones:

Remember this is before the Pats game.

" Reshad seems to always be around and get his hands on the ball. He just needs to finish those plays".

You saw evidence of exactly what Sparano meant when Jones blew the pick six on a Brady pass in our endzone. The Pats went on to kick a fg.

Had Jones made the pick 6, it would have been a 10pt point swing and could have entirely turned around the outcome of the game. Yes he batted the ball down and was credited a PD. But the pick 6 could have been a game changing and defining moment! LOL...

The redzone is still the biggest concern. Seeing Sparano wimp out on calling a run from 1/2 yard out shows how little confidence he had. What has better odds, a 1/2 yard run (or sneak) or a fade pass from someone who has never thrown the fade pass well?

Posted by: DevilsAdvocate

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I agree. Ridiculous play call. But Miami can't run 1/2 yard because they don't have the personnel. BLAME THE FRONT OFFICE! RW or Polite would have made all of the difference!

BLAME IRELAND.

LOSER.

IrelandSucks -

“As much as I hate the Pats and Jets, at least they find a way to win.”

Yea it’s called cheating. And the coach of NE was caught and penalized for it. Not to mention the MOST OBVIOUS holds ever on Cameron Wake. Many calls NOT called on both of those teams.

DA

did sparano make that call or daboll?

def should've run it, and no-one has answered the why not LJ question - he used to make that kind of play in his sleep

for get the pats game, life's too short, bring on the texans,

(and get a stud bandage for allen's knee)

Nitpicking is not necessary but when we're talking about throws that cost 7 points? THOSE ARE LEGIT CONCERNS!

Completely agree with this statement Joe. But I disagree on which persons shoulders this falls on.

A fade route from the 1 yard line has a very low chance of going in historically. It is a tough throw because there is not enough space within that ten yards to get loft under the ball and not have the DB make a play on it. Therefore you have to release quicker and throw a more shallow ball. It's just a bad call. And Henne couldn't even audible because the personnel package on the field wasn't there for a successful run.

If they were at the 5 and this same thing happened I would be right in your corner.

ALoco-

Mike Nolan is the most accomplished coach we have. Despite the performance of the D Mon night, to fire him would be a HUGE mistake.

Mike Nolan would be unemployed for about half a second. He'll get those guys straightened out. A little patience.

"The problem isn't the players, it is the coaches and FO for:"

irelandsux

Exactly

DevilsAdvocate-

“Seeing Sparano wimp out on calling a run from 1/2 yard out shows how little confidence he had.”

You may be absolutely correct but I hope it was more of try and switch it up, more unpredictable. I think it was a bad call but I think everyone would have had a different opinion if we scored.

Holding happens on EVERY play. Part of the game. Solder simply out played Wake THIS time. Doesn't mean it happens next time. Tom Brady and the Patriots are NOT a team the Dolphins are in a position to get into a points race with which is exactly what they did. Peyton Manning is probably the only qb playing now that can go pass for pass with Brady and Henne held his own. The "phins will be okay this year and should be in contention for playoffs right to the end.

FINFAN72..............STOP DREAMING''''''


MIKE NOLAN WAS FIRED FROM SF AFTER ONE YEAR AS A HC '\\\


ALSO HAS 1-8 RERCORD @ HOME AND IF WE LOSE VS HOUSTON ,I SEE HIM FIRED NOT TS .

I don't think TS is a very good HC, but at least he has good coordinators this year. Nolan is one of the best on D, and I'm starting to really like Daboll.

There are ways to fix it, certaintly. They are:

1. Find a red zone running game
2. Practice the fade all darn practice if you have to
3. Depending on how #2 goes, either don't call the play anymore or just spike it. Same result

LOL

Posted by: Joe Schmoe | September 14, 2011 at 12:10 PM

I like #2 and #3 best for right now. Gotta remember the oline still needs time to jell. The problem was compounded Monday night with Thomas out, Clay out, Johnson not ready for whatever reason, and Hilliard would have just screamed our intentions on the goal line situation.

I still believe barring injury it will be 3-4 more games before the oline jells enough to become a consistent run blocking force.

ANOTHER ONE NEEFD TO FIRED ....'
IRELAND WHO HVE NO CLUE ABOUT FOOTBALL........


HIRE DB ..........


FIRE B.COX
HIRE,ROB IN OC

did sparano make that call or daboll?

Posted by: The Wolf, ICU, thinner than ever | September 14, 2011 at 12:18 PM


Wolf, it's 4th and goal at the 1/2 yard line. Ultimately the HC has to be responsible. He has to know what the call is ahead of time and approve it or say what he wants. Otherwise, you have no HC and the team is out of control. Dabol is just beginning his second year as an OC, you can't just blindly give him the keys to the car without asking where he is going.

How many missed tackles and blown coverages did Nolan have??? just saying

FINFANS72.


I AM MOVING TO DB'S CAMP.

HIRE
COWHER //////////////

ALoco,

Let's go ahead and fire Nolan right now. He'll have have a new DC job before sundown!

LOL...................................................

Posted by: DyingBreed | September 14, 2011 at

Nolan has had plenty of jobs as DC. Maybe too many!

Miami Dolphins Defensive Coordinator 2010–present
Denver Broncos Defensive Coordinator 2009
Baltimore Ravens Defensive Coordinator 2002–2004
New York Jets Defensive Coordinator 2000
Redskins Defensive Coordinator 1997–1999
New York Giants Defensive Coordinator 1993–1996

I agree with the analyst... Daniel Thomas sucks... Said that all along guys... I studied him right after they picked him and was like we traded up and passed on Mallet for this loser???? WTF?

ALoco-

I didn't say Nolan was a good HC, but he is a great DC. Nolan was not 1-8 at home, that's on Sparano, the HC.

Overall, the D has been our bright spot the last 2 years under Nolan. Monday night the D looked awful, but they'll be alright. Nolan is a great DC.

And... Clearly NE was the better team... But the holds that were not called was unreal!!! Would have made the difference... When Brady has forever because 77 is holding then yeah... He's gonna complete passes. Totally unfair... And not one announcer said a word!

IRELAND IS 24 YEARS OLD,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,HOW HE BECAME THE PERSON WHO'S JOB TO PUT A FOOBALL TEAM TOGETHER >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>?????????

Guys,

If we can somehow find a way to get thru the 1st 4 games 2-2 and have no key injuries. I believe this team will be one that will be in 2011 afc playoff race.

They key is no key injuries to key players. Also, as someone here mentioned yesterday I think, and Ive mentioned several times in the past. Reshad Jones maybe a greater force for our defense as a ss, not fs.

ALoco-

I would be fine with Cowher as coach. Like I said, I'm not real impressed with TS as a HC. But I would hope we could keep Nolan as DC if we get a new HC.

Dolphin Disciple | September 14, 2011 at 12:22 PM

99% of the time I would agree with that and accept doing the unexpected. But in this case, especially from a Sparano team, I find it a shocking admission that you are not a tough team and have no confidence in your running game.

This will be an unpopular statement, but I believe R&R would have WC'd that one into the end zone.


Not impressed with TS either

FINFANS72............. SO IF IT'S ON SPARANO ,WHY DO WE HIRE NOLAN AS DC ?


1-8 ALMOST AS HIS RECORD AS A HC WITH THE 49'S .


TED GINN .............. MY HERO .


I CALL ON EVERY ONE TO GET ON DB'S WAGON TO HIRE COWHER //////////////

The problem is this FO & coach DON'T see things going bad & fix them premptively!

D 2 years ago, tried to redo it in 1 offseason

O last year, trying to remake it in 1 offseason

Running game, this year, trying to do it in 1 offseason

Oline all 4 years, a viscious circle

It's like they can't see things coming. They are forced to patch together a fix in a hurry & it never pans out.

It's time to get a FO & coach who have VISION & can't execute a plan before the existing one blows up in their faces!

Posted by: LouD | September 14, 2011 at 11:17 AM

Dude have you ever actually watched threes company or are you old enough to remember the apple dumpling gang? Stephen Ross looks nothing like Don Knotts (Mr. Roper). The shtick isn't funny because there is no resemblance. You need a new 'look alike' to use.

Loud,
I am not buying your argument.. Don Knotts did not play Mr. Stanley Roper. - he played his successor - Mr. Ralph Furley. C'mon man ... You can't tell me Ross isn't Mr. Roper. The math is simple ... look... Ross = Roper. See? Just like ESPN's Peter Gammons is the guy on the 20 dollar bill and Fresh Prince Will Smith is Big Shot Bob Horry.
I think you have to agree my logic is infallable, and my kung fu unstoppable.

I WOULD RATHER HAVE R.BROWN DANCING INSTEAD OF THE THE BUST D.THOMAS ...............


I WOULD RATHER HAVE TED GIN THAN ,BESS,HARTLINE .WHEN TED WAS HERE ,IT WAS GREAT .HE PROVIDED THE AMAZING KICK RETURN TD VS THE JETS .

What`s up fellas, work has me off-loading containers in Port of Cortez, Honduras and it`s no fun catching the game on ESPN Latino in Spanish, nausiating! I thought Henne played a good game except for the two passes inside the 5 yardline. The one to Marshall though had me wondering if Henne wasn`t expecting him to slant inside shielding of the corner but the one to Hartline was just a BAD decision and pass on his part. If anything those two drives proved that we have no thumper to go to in close and it will cost this team early and often, I did wonder though why not give a fresh LJ at least one crack at it in those 2 drives?? Lou Polite was huge in those situations for us in the past and would have prefered him on the 4th down from the 1/2 yardline early 4th Qrt.

The DB situation was disturbing but not an all out shocker, considering the circumstances in the game. We started out with Vontae, Smith at the coners and Sapp in the slot were N.E. was murdering us by placing a T.E. there. Then Nolan put Carroll inside and I thought he played even worse than Sapp in all honesty, both huge liabilities. Finally when Vontae comes off the field with Sapp taking over at his spot with Smith inside on the T.E.`s and Carroll outside it really was all she wrote for our pass D.

Rashad Jones was extremely disapointing in keeping contain in the center of the field as well. The Pats and Brady did as they pleased in the middle to deep center field which in my estimation was the biggest difference in the game along with our goal line O. This will be exloited by our next 3 opponents which all boast multiple playmaking T.E.`s. I know Sapp was the scapegoat but Carroll was worse by my account and Jones horrible. It really would not surprise me at all to see W.Allen take over at Right Corner with Smith working the T.E. in the slot and Clemmons back at FS.

What's up fellas?

I haven't commented on the game yet and what I saw was the obvious. New England has the best QB in the game and one of the best ever! Miami has a bunch of average corners and below average safeties in coverage. Not to mention Miami has no pass rusher opposite Cam Wake who routinely got his butt whooped by a rookie.

The Dolphins will surely fall to 0-2 this week and 2 losses in a row at home with 8 more to go on the road is obviously a bad sign.

I have been saying it all along Sparano and Ireland will be gone by the end of the year. This regime has failed.

The Wild Cat, Chad Pennington and a weak schedule gave us something to smile about at least.

Yea it’s called cheating. And the coach of NE was caught and penalized for it. Not to mention the MOST OBVIOUS holds ever on Cameron Wake. Many calls NOT called on both of those teams.

Posted by: Dolphin Disciple | September 14, 2011 at 12:17 PM

You stupid POS, our guys held plenty too and weren't called for it. We lost because we stunk. Open your eyes and see this team for what it is.

Since everyone likes ststs I dug this one up for you.

"The Patriots, sent an extra rusher on just 10 of 53 Chad Henne passes. The Patriots still generated 20 quarterback pressures (sacks, hurries, and knockdowns combined)."

"That matched the (Patriots') 2010 season high set against Green Bay and first-time starting quarterback Matt Flynn,'' Bedard wrote.

This team is consistantly inconsistant. Whether it was special teams and offense last year, monday it was defense severely lagging.

I wish the Dolphins would consider developing Jimmy Wilson at fs. The kid's big enough, more than fast enough, and seems smart enough.

He just has to learn the mental part of getting everyone lined up correctly and the db's into the right plays. I really dont think it's a very big stretch when considering Davis and Smith have pretty much have a strangle hold on the starting corners.

We need to find a way to get this kid Wilson onto the field as a starter. Even if it takes next season to do it!

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