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What's up with the Dolphins' 2nd round picks?

Starting off today, the Dolphins have signed Will Allen to a one-year deal according to a source, thus surprising no one. There you go.

Running back Daniel Thomas missed the Dolphins regular-season opener on Monday and coach Tony Sparano made it clear Tuesday the decision to make the rookie inactive wasn't that difficult.

“It didn’t end up being too close," Sparano said.

Thomas was limited all last week. He'll likely be eased back into practice this week but his status is not at this moment certain for Sunday's game against Houston. That may or may not be a big loss because what we saw of Thomas in the preseason and training camp wasn't exactly eye-popping awesome.

He was there. Just there.

And while that does not suggest Thomas will be good or not going forward, it does say he hasn't gotten off to a fast start. The makes me ask the question that you saw in the headline:

What's up with the Dolphins and their second-round picks?

This team has done very good work with its first-round under the current administration. This team has done good work with undrafted free agents under the current administration.

The team's second-round picks under this administration? Not impressive so far.

Phillip Merling was Miami's first second-rounder selected under this administration. He contributes on the team's defensive line shuttle but he hasn't exactly had a great career so far. He missed most of last year with an Achilles' injury. He didn't meet expectations his second season after a solid rookie year. He's sitting behind players the Dolphins drafted after him.

Chad Henne was also a second-round pick in 2008. He's been a starter for three years and has a 13-15 record in those three years. There are big hopes he can become a good, consistent quarterback. But can he be considered anything but a wait-and-see pick yet? We have to wait and see.

In 2009, the Dolphins picked Pat White with the 44th overall selection. Everyone knows how that turned it.

The club also took Sean Smith with the 61st overall selection. He is a starter. He is solid. But is he great? Is he a difference-maker? Not yet. He had the opportunity to be that last season but struggled to hold on to the seven passes in his hands that he could have converted into interceptions had he held onto those passes.

Last season's second round selection was Koa Misi. Starter. Solid as a rookie. We are in wait-and-see mode with Misi.

So the summary of Miami's work so far in the second round?

A backup defensive lineman. A quarterback about which everyone is hopeful but hasn't arrived yet. A bust quarterback. A staring corner. A starting outside linebacker. And a running back that still hasn't get his career started.

By the way, I asked NFL Network analyst Brian Baldinger what he thinks of Thomas. Baldinger a former NFL offensive lineman studied all the draft picks this year.

"Is Daniel thomas going to help this football team? I don't think so. I think they missed on him," Baldinger said.

Why?

"He's a point of entry back which means he needs a hole to make yards rather than be good enough to make the hole himself," Thomas said. "He runs too upright. He's not going to give you anything on third down and he doesn't run with power. He has to build speed to get power. He's not going to push the pile. So I think he's going to be a very limited back for the Dolphins."

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**POST OF THE DAY**


Releasing Sapp was Sparano sending a clear message to the players: "Play like your life depends upon it or I'll get fired!"

The re-signing of W.Allen was Ireland say: "Help me Will, you're my last hope. I don't know what I'm doing!"

Posted by: cosmodo | September 14, 2011 at 02:15 PM


ROTFLMAO!!!!

And another one comes in. odin, how's that big Dog of yours?

On the Coaches the only one who was a success as Coach/GM was Jimmy Johnson, problem with him was that when hired in Miami he had gotten to laid back and was no longer the machine who coached and picked the talent at UM and Dallas. I know everybody loved Parcells when we made him the BOSS but in reality while a good Coach he had never run a team until he arrives in Miami. The great Giant teams were built by Floyd Reese and Ernie Acorsi more or less giving him a blue print on how to do it, problem is it was based on the 80`s concept of Pro Football.Remember owner Bob Kraft in the 96 draft forcing the Terry Glenn pick on Parcells and he would go as far as calling the man a she on TV!! Ended up getting him canned.

In Cowher while a Great Coach he never had a hand in any Pitt. draft just like Tomlin doesn`t that`s run by Art Rooney Jr. owner Dan Rooney`s little brother. I like Fisher plenty but while Houston native Bud Adams (owner) is responsible for VY they also had a GM who`s name escapes me right now who picked the talent there aw well. These days with Coaching being pretty much a year round thing you need a GM to get a HC the necessary pieces. We should do our due dilligiance and look thru the league for a scouting director like Atl. did with Tartikoff and start from there if rebuilding of our young team is the way we go.

Craig M.....

Coach Parcells left because he was ignored!

If the FO had listened to him, and brought in a veteran QB to compete with Chad Henne...

...and if Tony Sparano hadn't let the 11-5 season swell his self-perception...

...and if owner Ross had enough fotball savy to listen to a future HOF coach and not a low end Division I head coach...

..then Mr Ross and the Dolphins , and ultimately we, the fans, wouldn't be in this unbelievable mess!

...but that's too many ifs for a group that has no friggin' clue!!!!

be patient w D Thomas he hasn't even played one game and your already throwing him under the bus w unfair short preseason mumbo jumbo

Very possible, fin4, that the League decided that cutting back practices to 1 a Day would decrease the # of injuries. Which is exactly the opposite of what will happen. Of course.

Obscurantism and incompetence are not restricted to the Miami Dolphins.

Great article there Mando.. That's a lot of wait n see picks from a 2nd round, you're right
because those 2nd and 3rd round picks should be contributing heavily for the Dolphins, and I do not think any of Parcells and Ireland draft picks are Pro Bowlers beside J.Long right?

Craig M.....

Coach Parcells left because he was ignored!

If the FO had listened to him, and brought in a veteran QB to compete with Chad Henne...

...and if Tony Sparano hadn't let the 11-5 season swell his self-perception...

...but that's too many ifs for a group that has no friggin' clue!!!!

Buster | September 14, 2011 at 02:41 PM


Yeah!! and maybe had Parcells hired Rex Ryan instead of yes man T.S. we might have solved our FS problem with Jim Leonhard or had Bart Scott running the front seven with the calls, something Dansby and his 10 Mil a year aren`t the best at. The truth is B.P. ran this team how he saw fit and signed the contract with Huzienga when cashed strapped from a messy divorce with an out clause if the team were sold with FULL PAY!! He brought in his yea men and thru them and the Dolphins under the bus at the 1st possible chance thanks to his contract.

Folks, I know how you can stay positive. Remind yourself of the following:
- well at least Ross isn't as crazy as Al Davis
- well at least Ireland isn't Matt Millen
- well at least Sparano isn't Rich Kotite

There, feel better now?

Thanks for the upvote, Odinseye.

"The latest: Henne only played well because the Patriots were playing soft(As if Bellicheat wasn't trying to stick a fork in us, or other QB's don't face these same situations-PLEASE)."

"There so worried about being wrong, that they've blinded themselves."

Posted by your Odin

These 2 statements smell of assininity. This happens with you alot. And this will be the last reply of it's kind to you. So spare yourself a retort. Sorry in advance for it's length.

Notice how I quoted you word for word? You could extende the same courtesy. But, if you had, you'd have nothing to type.

1. If you don't know the difference between Their, there & they're you don't deserve any attention.

2. You obviously chose to read only snippets of what I & others have said.

Since you MISQUOTED me & ranted in your post, I'll respond. Yea, I stand by everything I said. If you're to fickle or sensitive to accept the truth, why do you come here?

See, the blinded fan so wrapped up in their fandom can't bare to accept fair, legit criticisms.

After the Welker score, the dagger was firmly in place. 21 pts up with 6 min left. The pats did ease up a bit at that point. Miami had 2 long drives after that which accounted for about 100 + yards of Chad's yards. That's not knocking him, that's a FACT.

I didn't say they played soft the whole game. Nice try though! I specifically said the last 2 drives.

Try using exact quotes & naming names, this way people can see when you distort the truth or type nonsense to get a rise out of ppl.

I & others also gave Henne credit many times today. We never blamed it all on him. But when points were on the line, he made BAD throws. Your sensitivy & ranting does nothing to change that FACT. SORRY!

That also doesn't mean it was all his fault. Funny how you AUTOMATICALLY made that connection. You hear & see things that don't exist as a basis to type something nonsensical.

FYI:
Almost everyone said the run games needs to exist in the red zone
Almost everyone said the play calls were iffy in the red zone

You conveniently left those out. No one has blamed Chad for everything. Let alone, blame him so they don't have to admit they're wrong. That's just an infintile & ignorant statement.

So, I have a suggestion for you. Stop ranting about what people didn't say & talk about what they do say. You won't look as dumb.

VALHALLA!

fin4life,

lucky for Atlanta that after Parcells chose to come here they "settled" for Tartikoff.

I think my clipboard is going to explode!!! I don't know what is worse, the dopes on this blog hating on Henne, or the people who think Norv Turner and Gary Kubiak are great coaches!!

Norv Turner inherited Marty Schottenheimer's team and has done nothing but win a division title in the weekest division.

Gary Kubiak has done NOTHING with the Texans!!

oscar,

I think the decreased practices have actually led to more injuries.

There's a big battle going on in practice this week.

Will Allen has returned to the team but Jimmy Wilson ain't no push over.

Allen wants his jersey number back but Wilson isn't your average rookie.

You think Allen will try and make Wilson carry his pads?

fin4life,

lucky for Atlanta that after Parcells chose to come here they "settled" for Tartikoff.

Carlitos Estevez | September 14, 2011 at 02:53 PM

Yeah, to think he was the conslation prize for us as well had Parcells signed with the Falcons instead.

Being close to NE(ugh), I have to somewhat disagree with you. Why if Scott Pioli left, they keep on drafting very good players(NE). Is it Belichick? Maybe. But I tend to believe it's the Organization.


So, I have a suggestion for you. Stop ranting about what people didn't say & talk about what they do say. You won't look as dumb.

VALHALLA!

Posted by: Joe Schmoe | September 14, 2011 at 02:53 PM


LONG STORY SHORT, Joe still can't get over T-Choke getting the snot slapped out of him-ROTFLMAO!

I didn't eve read your post, you've already wasted enough space here, I got yo number-LOL

T-Joke, ah ha ha!

Later guys gotta get back to the Port, looks like I`m going to be stuck in San Pedro Sula, Honduras for another 10 days and it sucks here but the bills have to be paid.

You Persons want too much. Fit your Pan to your Range.

There are also PANS that have notched lips so that one can easily pour liquids out.

CAN YOU IMAGINE???

It is wonderful to consider PANS.

Posted by: Uganda Joe | September 14, 2011 a


All this talk about pans and we don't even know what Aloco's plans are for lunch. It's a shame.

I know we have a lot of diehards on this blog, or I at least hope so. We don't need to see on TV a bunch rich silverspoon non fans in suite at a Dolphin game. We don't care about them, keepo them off the TV!!

I'm reading it now Joe.

I didn't mention ANY names, so how can you accuse me of misquoting you?

You call me an ass and latch onto a typo, but full steam ahead misrepresent what I posted?

NICE!

no fighting.

fin4life HONDURAS does not suck..thats my country!TONY MORANO SUCKS!


no fighting.

Posted by: 2 watt | September 14, 2011 at 03:09 PM


You ever heard of bringing a knife to a gunfight?

Somebody here is weilding a Broken Twig!

Are Honduras Chicks HOT?

Here's the thing fellas. Everyone wants a great coach. You hear - bring in Cowher, bring in Fisher. We all want to be right so we gravitate towards the obvious safe choice, besides - those guys won before and how are we going to reccomend someone that we never even heard of? But there is no guarantee that Cowher 2.0 or Fisher 2012 will: a) have the same enthusiasm, b) be around long enough c) be in it for their own short sighted track record and build their own rigid inflexible antiquated system before bailing early and leaving the thing in tatters ala Parcells. See also Gibbs 2.0.

The better teams went out and got 1st time head coaches Pitt, Balt, GB, who were hungry.
There were exceptions Belichick previous HC in Cleveland and Shula as previous HC in Baltimore (god I hate invoking those two names in the same sentence- like mixing cheating and integrity) but those were brief stays and those got their 2nd go round fairly young.
Theres a risk with an unproven, but perhaps no more than with bringing in a mercenary with a proven record if your metric for success includes tenure. I don't think anything is going to happen until Ross puts his foot down though and demands more of football people.

OK, so Monday Night after all we saw from the defense, you wern't here ripping Henne a new A-HOLE over three bad throws?

Ok Joe, and how much had you had to drink?

Yeah, that's what I thought................

Anyways, Orton stunk it up Monday night and guess what? T-Choke still ain't even being considered-LOL.

odinseye THEY ARE HOT!

Uganda,

Panhead - Harley Davidson.

ValHalla!!!!

DyingBreed,

Didn't know that I was a mysterious poster. I do post occassionally, but rarely hang around to converse. It seems to me too many people on here just want to argue about who's wrong and who's right. My ego is fine and I don't need to stroke it.
I've posted on here for years. I just don't post all of the time. I was the one posting with redsky the other night and I often respond to some of the old regulars. They know me.

But, on to other stuff...Dolphin stuff.

DON'T CLOSE THE PRACTISE BUBBLE!
...Just shut off the A/C!!!!

Turn it into a HOT BOX that they players hate to see! They'll start begging to go outside and play in the heat and the rain! Thunderstorm? In the bubble. Lightning? In the bubble. The players will get into good condition if you use it right. No more Two-a-days? No worries, we've got the bubble! THAT's what you do to get this team ready!!!

That Guy and Jr,

Excellent posts. I do enjoy reading UNBIASED and OBJECTIVE opinions and ideas here.

Shut up DM1....you sound like a DDD!
Here ya go, a common sense look at the Pats game. The offense looked good! Henne at times looked great! Unfortunately, we have been bragging about our depth on defense and have been rotating accordingly to stay fresh. Well the Pats heard us bragging all the way up there in New England and the wise man said, yes they have depth and will stay fresh, how can we counter that strength? Hmmmmm, don't let them rotate, hense, no huddle offense, no depth advantage! We got thumped on defense, out smarted by one of the best in the business. Special teams was average.... Mando as usual, a lame column on 2nd round picks! Lets see what we can come up with next to try and say the glass is half empty or in your case, broken, Mando! Golly gee mando, why hasn't Ross offered you a job yet..you are soooooo wise (after the fact! like most of the couch coaches on this site!) ...LMAO

That guy,

the main gripe here after our season opener seems to be Ireland -who really has only had one draft. Sparano complied with Ross's request and hired Daboll who, so far, seems to be an improvement. And who could have imagined that our defense would have been so pitiful?

Parcells conned Ross, and maybe we're feeling conned ourselves.

That Guy and Tracy,

After reading a few posts from earlier, I have to ask a queston.

Do either of you drive a Vette or employ a guy named Darlington as a Pool Guy?

Just curious ;)

it sounds like davis and smith were partying on saturday night at some strip club called tootsies. Hence the cramps.

Don't know how Armando still hates on Henne. He's not Aaron Rogers but it's obvious that it was HENNING and not Henne that was the problem. He's got a ways to go but he's a lot better with much, MUCH better play calling. If we'd have signed Orton and he threw for 419 yards, Armando and the rest wouldn't have stopped talking about it yet but again, it's Henne so no such accolades.

Odinseye,

Nope, not me. I drive a Mazda Tribute and don't own a pool.

And, I agree with you. Singletary as a Head Coach might be exactly what this team needs!

'He brought in his yea men and thru (sic) them and the Dolphins under the bus at the 1st possible chance thanks to his contract'.

Posted by: fin4life | September 14, 2011 at 02:51 PM

fin4Life: I am as p.o.'d as anyone over Parcells yes-man selection for HC ...

..however, had owner Ross listened to his CEO instead of the fledgling Sporano concerning the QB , we wouldn't be discussing this...

As for throwing folks under the bus, that's a negative. Parcells was ignored, his advice unheeded, and so he took his option to get away.... without criticizing, without pointing fingers.

Had he elected to do so, throwing Sporano under the bus would have been easy....in which case we all would have found out two years ago what a completely inadequate , overinflated head case our present HC had become.

Coach Parcells forever will believe that the media and the fan base are not entitled to an explanation. It was always his way; he made decisions, and felt no need to defend them.

I disagreed then, and still do. The supporting fan base has a definite right to know at least the basic details. They are the ones ultimately paying the bills, and therefore have a right to an explanation.

I think in this case CEO Parcells was wrong. He's is not infallible; he's human. But please get this part straight. He is a first ballot Hall of Famer, and knows more about football than Ross, Ireland and Sporano put together.

Unfortunately , they collectively lost sight of that. Parcells left to avoid further internal strife. For the Dolphin organization, and us, the present disaster is what remains.

Broder!

La Vida te da sorpresas - Life will Surprise you. Now, ain't that the Truth!

Please, please, let me finish preparing my Lunch.

Whoever posted as Don Shula makes a very good point.

Armando gave a blog about the Pats putting a Cramping on us. He follows up with Sapp being Sapped.

Still, not a word about Henne's record setting performance..........Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

If I didn't know better I'd accuse Armando of being Joe Schmoe!

Oh well, while Henne continues to improve; For Armando and Joe it's one small step forwards and three GIANT steps backwards.

The touch passes are showing up, the reads, the leadership, he wasn't even locking onto receivers as much lately.

Thank God they still have the "FADE" to cry and complain about, otherwise they'd be COMPLETELY wrong ;)

Really? What do Hispanics in Miami have to do with Houston's? I'm tellig ya....

Buster,

your post isn't too clear. Are you saying that the Big Tuna is really a timid wallflower who slinked away to avoid strife & bad vibes when people were mean and ignored him? The same way he chickened out of New England, the Jets, and the Cowboys.... leaving things unfinished?

So Armando, seeing as you're an expert at making picks, (see Phins - Pats), can you tell me how Miami is going to beat the Texans? Element of surprise? Like Monday night? Hot Miami weather? Like Monday night? Please I am picking my pool and want to know who you like, so I can take the opposite. Phins or Texans? Inquiring minds want to know.

Please I need someone to answer this question with a detailed explanation. What makes Chris Johnson and Reggie Bush so much diffrent? How is it that Chris Johnson can run between the tackles and Bush can't and they have the same body size (Johnson may be smaller). They both are fast and explosive does Johnson have the better vision? Thanks

I am getting into an awful State(and it's not sexual).

DKM,

I have been saying this for months. Most likely a better )-line. Once Chris Johnson's starts to get slower, he will be finished in this league.

Whats up with our second round picks?

One of them played a really good game the other night in a brand new offense. What's up with that?

Oh yeah, what was I thinking, we already now. He left points on the field and made those three bad throws(out of 50).

Pitiful!!!!

TONY,

So your saying if Bush had a better O line he can possibly rack up as much yards as Johnson?

I can tell u without reservation whats wrong with the #2 draft pks, its Sparano/Ireland. Baldinger gives you a player report, like, right now. Why didnt Sparano/Ireland see that same player report in regards to Thomas? Maybe those two people can not evaluate NFL talent? I dont or ever did think Sparano was a good HC. Never. IReland on the other hand, I thought he had some sence untill this yr. He drafted a Center instead of a needed QB. And of course the RB, A TE was needed but never found. etc, etc. Even in free agency, Ireland didnt make a difference. The best player on a team is the General Manager. Not so the Dolphins.

The problem with our O-line is that it's in transition. Originally, they were going to build it to run the ball. Now, they're trying to pass block. The result is (other than Long and maybe Pouncey) they can't do either one very well. Sparano admitted that, once Daboll arrived, he began to see the offense differently. So, we updated the scheme from Dan Hennings "3 yards-and-a-cloud-of-dust" philosophy to more of a "Spread" offense. Now, if only we had all the pieces to run it correctly. Colombo needs to be relegated to a back-up or released. He's done. Dallas understood that, but Sparano thinks he can make something out of him. Wake up, Tony! Get rid of your weakest link!

Odin, You are correct about Henne.

Let's be honest, it is just one game, and Henne historically has not been consistant. Now he never really was given the reigns of the offense before, so I think that was a part of it.

I think henne will be great for us all year if he gets the protection, which he should be getting better protection than he did last game.

But there are some people here who will not give him credit because they just don't like him. And some who will not because they will never admit they were wrong.

That being said, Henne needs to have a few good games in a row to really earn our total respect. But he has made one hell of a great first step.

What I find funny is the comment, that Henne fans ignore the bad throws because of their fandome over the truth. Which means Henne fans lost sight of 5 throws at most. Red Zone performance, which included a great tuck and run, and a GREAT pass to Hartline, and a Marshall drop.

But the factual intelligent people will not give him a GREAT grade and ignore the 34 completions TDs and great running at the right times.

Which of these sounds more off?

Armando why dont you make a suggestion to the Herald to update their comments section, sort of like how Yahoo has it where your able to reply to a user individual comment.Take my idea just as as long as you remember who told you. Your friendly neighborhood blogger DKM.

Ireland is an average GM. He hits on about 50 percent of his personnel decisions. For every Jake Long, there's a Pat White. Other than Henne, most of his 2nd round picks are questionable at best. He and Sparano think they are better and smarter than they really are. Ross probably fires Tony first, then keeps Ireland for continuity. After a year or two under a new Head Coach, Ireland will receive his walking papers too!

I see a lot of Sammy Smith in Daniel thomas, and for those who don't know who Sammy was get ready it won't be pretty.

DKM,

I'm not saying as much, but pretty close. Is Chris Johnson that much faster? He is a smaller guy.

Ross, you have to realize that most of us Here are not Jews and consequently do not share your same mentality(although it's very understandable to us.). Then, you MUST adapt to present circumstances.

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