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Let the deconstructing of Andrew Luck begin

At least people waited until after the 2010 college football season to start ripping Cam Newton's abilities and professional prospects. The Heisman Trophy winner who would go on to be the No. 1 overall draft pick was allowed to play the season and no one really questioned his ability as the nation's best QB.

(They questioned how much he was playing for -- as in $$$ -- but not that he was a fine player.)

Seems Andrew Luck, the likely first overall selection in the 2012 draft and a Dolphins' target, is already being criticized by folks who aren't really experts on the topic -- starting with former Giants quarterback Phill Simms.

"I think his best quality, by far, is he’s big and strong and he’s going to be able to move and run in the NFL," Simms said on SiriusXM NFL radio this week. "There’s no question. I mean, this guy is strong. The throwing? He manages a game. I see all that.

"But the one thing I don’t see, I just don’t see bigtime NFL throws. I don’t care what anybody says. I’ve watched a lot of him. He never takes it and rips it in there. And you can say what you want but, man, you’ve got to be able to crease that ball every once in a while. We see it every week in these games. Hey, he can develop it but even in the USC game, you know, he’s very careful with it, guides it a lot. That’s what I see. There’s not a lot of rotation on the ball and there’s not a tremendous amount of power. Not that you need to have that power arm. I’m not saying you’ve got to have that exclusively but, man, it sure helps when you can do that because there’s four or five plays a game it is about arm strength. And sometimes quarterbacks who don’t have it, they pass those plays up. Why? Well, they go, ‘I don’t know if I can make that throw,’ so they throw it short. That’s why I’m a little more reserved in my judgment than everybody else."

Simms is an NFL Super Bowl champion QB. He gets paid to analyze games. He's a media star. But he has no credentials as a scout or personnel man. And he's not passing along information he has heard from a scout or personnel man. So one has to weigh his expertise and draw your own conclusion on how much you buy his view or not.

There's also this: Last week Simms said the Indianapolis Colts would not select Luck because Peyton Manning wouldn't let them.

Yeah ... right.

Seems to me Simms has a latent Andrew Luck burr somewhere.

But ...

Suppose for a minute he's right. Is this the first of a coming chorus of voices that will tear at the fabric of Luck's kingly garments from now until April? The supposed first overall pick endures such treatment starting every offseason. Simms has begun the exercise a bit early with Luck.

I personally don't know as much football as Simms nor have I his credentials. I only pass along what two scouts and a couple of experts who study tape are telling me about Luck.

And they like the kid a lot.

And in the highlights I've watched, he looks darn good to me! I would love to see more 14- to 16-yard outs but that doesn't mean he can't make the throws. He attacks the seam of the defense like he woke up after two years of sleep and just spotted breakfast. He is athletic to escape the pocket. He has nice footwork. His release is quick enough and has a high release point. His accuracy doesn't seem to be an issue.

Does that mean Andrew Luck is going to be a Hall of Famer? Of course not. Like everyone else, I want to see more and have the experts see more so they can tell people like me what they think. But to already say he doesn't impress?

Let the paralysis by analysis begin!

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I said it before and I'll say it again:
Luck, Bradford, Stafford, Sanchez, Ryan, Flacco, Rivers, Cutler, Orton, Marino etc:

These stiffs are a dime a dozen and THEY NEVER WIN SUPER BOWLS.

What? No comment whatsoever so far? I'm amazed.

To be honest, I am one of those rooting for the Dolphins to finish on 32nd place. That does not, evidently, as recent history has taught us, assure anything. In the last 7 years we've chosen players at least 3 times among the first 10 picks. The results: well, those are indeed evident.

I just hope Luck in cse we get him, does not turn out to be Ryan Leaf.

Bottom line: get a very good QB, guys.

I've seen the "Truth" play games here in the Bay Area, and his name is Andrew Luck!

Luck has 2 pick-sixes this year.....that's a concern.....I think Barkley can be a good one too...

Well, we happen to have a quarterback who can make every NFL throw and zip it in there, but he sucks. His name is Chad Henne.

Game management and the ability to read defenses is exponentially more important than being able to throw the 20 yard out.

Look at what Chad Pennington was able to do. He was notorious for having a weak arm, but he was a field general.

Luck is better than anyone else on the Dolphins roster.Which is not hard considering every QB on this roster is a backup. This team is 0-7 so the fans need something to believe in
with the crappy team on the field and the all the negativity surrounding this organization let us enjoy the vision of at least a decent QB
instead of someone elses scraps aka the Cowboys.The whole point the Dolphins need a homerun not just from the QB they choose but the entire draft last time checked Mr. Acorn Jeff Ireland has done a lousy job compling good players.

I love it when someone criticizes Dan Marino for preventing the Dolphins from winning a Super Bowl.

If memory serves me correctly, he went into the game with 48 TDs and 5,084 yards but with an offensive line that couldn't run the ball against a four-man rush in a Nickel Defense. Not to mention a Defense that was completely lost after A.J. Duhe got injured, two rookie inside linebackers who were continually confused, etc.,etc.

I really wonder where some people get their information.

Simms is right. Luck doesn't put a lot of zip on the ball and tends to throw a lot of fades. He throws with a lot of accuracy and is fantastic at dropping the ball just over the receiver where only he can get it...however I haven't seen him throw many Marino or Favre style passes where it's on a rope. That doesn't mean he can't necessarily; he just hasn't attempted that type of pass much.

Armando-

I have to ask- why such a difference in your blog pic and the pic promoting your radio show? The 2 pics do NOT look like the same person! Enquiring minds want to know...

All these lovers of Luck (or whatever the QB of the month flavor is) probably made the same grandiose claims of Ryan Leaf.

You remember Leaf right. He was that magical QB in college, supremely athletic, a franchise QB, "better than anyone else on the roster", and the answer to everyone's prayers.

All the hype and praise placed on a college QB doesn't necessarily translate to the NFL. He was the biggest bust in history. Until the next magical QB, supremely athletic, franchise QB named J. Russell. Then there was Brady Quinn. I shortened the list because the number of franchise QBs fans wanted drafted that went bust elsewhere is so high.

The grass is always greener until its your grass.

I don't know if Luck is the answer. I do know I like that he doesn't hesitate to lay a defensive player out. Is he the guy we draft? Is he better than some of the other guys available? I don't know. I do know that everyone blindly screaming "suck for Luck" should be very careful: if we get Luck and he doesn't make the transition to the NFL, the Dolphins franchise will be set back 5 more years and they will be pissing and moaning and blaming everyone but themselves.

I know one thing absolutely - there is NO player we get who will be worth a thing until this coaching staff and front office is tossed out on the streets. This franchise can't be turned around with the existing coach/GM/scouts and a coach like Cowher (whom all the name recognition lemmings want) will set the franchise back another 10 years as well.

Simms seems like he was describing himself, not Luck.

One thing that concerns me about Luck is that everyone was drooling over Reggie Bush as an NFL prospect his last year in college. That Houston GM was practically hung in the streets for not taking Bush. There are no sure things with NFL prospects.

I think the Colts are going to get the #1 pick. They're not going to win more than 1 game this year. Hopefully, the Dolphins can trade up to #1.

Phil Simms is the lead voice/face on CBS an NFL cornerstone and the lead announcer for the AFC title game this year and every year. Phil Simms is an NFL QB, Hall of Famer, Super Bowl Champ and Super Bowl MVP.
Mando has this blog and a spot on AM Radio and he talks like he and Simms are equal.

I've seen 3 Stanford games on TV. He has the good fortune of playing in a conference where defense is like a foreign language. If he played in the SEC those looping throws would all be pick sixes,

This is not to say he doesn't have the goods to be an NFL player. He's smart, tough, pretty accurate, and has that Ability to make the right decision.
I think Landry Jones or Nick Foles has the big arm, but Foles (whom I touted last year for the future) can't seem to win the big games, and Jones has the stigma of playing in a run and shoot offense.

I think all the hubbub for Luck is the fact he's more "NFL" LOOKING.
That is, what teams want to see.

Whoops, I meant Luck obviously.

"I said it before and I'll say it again:
Luck, Bradford, Stafford, Sanchez, Ryan, Flacco, Rivers, Cutler, Orton, Marino etc:

These stiffs are a dime a dozen and THEY NEVER WIN SUPER BOWLS.
Posted by: PriceMaster | November 02, 2011 at 08:41 PM

probably the most idiotic comment ever written. including marino in that group?
marino owned every record, you moron. this isn't golf; it takes at least another 50 players to win a championship. marino is not the reason we didn't win. stop watching football; you don't understand it..

First they like you.
Then they hate you.
Then they try to destroy you.
Then they accept you.

Everyone athlete goes through that cycle.

I see Luck throwing to WIDE open receivers. Where are the stick throws?

The idea this kid is going to enter the NFL and take the league by storm is a joke. Because his expectations are so high, the label of a bust will emerge.

He will end up being like a Matt Ryan or Matt Schaub. Good QB, but not legendary.

Please do not reflect on Phil Simms' comments, his jealousy and envy are showing. Yes Simms won a SB, but he never had the raw talent that Andrew Luck has while he played College ball. Put a sock in it Phil, concentrate on your wardrobe and makeup for your TV analysis.

Respectfully yours,

Joe Robbie's corpse.

BTW, TV analysts suck worse than the Dolphins.

The key is what will Miami do if indy picks first and grabs luck? I think Miami's best option would be to trade down 10 spots and grab either Buckley, Jones or Griffin, whoever is available at that spot. Use the draft picks thus acquired on other needs, but if Luck is availble, you take him!

He can't be any better than me playing QB, that's for sure. Don't you guys love when I get that deer-in-headlights gaze and take a sack instead of throwing it away?!

Luck is going to be a great ball player. He is a winner. Of that there is no doubt. Maybe Sims doesn't know squat because Luck has never had to throw a ball like that or Sims hasn't had the opportunity to see it.

We seen a vid on here a few weeks back and the throws that impress me the most is hitting a receiver in full stride down the line or over the center of the field. He did it on a few occasions. We aren't going to see him do it every game because he doesn't get the opportunity.

Brady hits that guy 9 times out of 10. So it doesn't matter who is covering in a 1 on 1 situation. Miami's receivers stop and then the ball gets thrown there. It also makes them easy targets and it is tough to get YAK from a standstill.

Hayden Fox, this is absolutely not true. Luck plays with no above average receivers. In fact, he mostly plays with 3 tight ends because the receivers are so bad. His wide receivers are slow and don't have a lot of size. He is fitting the ball into very small windows because of lack of wide receiver separation. Did you see the USC game, there was no separation from the receivers. Luck may have his faults, but he doesn't have wide open receivers.

henne almost never hit a receiver in stride even in practice;very frustrating. matt moore is more comfortable in the pocket but pass blocking has to get alot better or he wont make it till seasons end.

"Luck has 2 pick-sixes this year.....that's a concern"

And Hall of Famer Terry Bradshaw only has a few more touchdowns than interceptions in his whole career.

Who cares what Simms says! Luck is going first, hands down. To either Miami or the Colts, and if it's the Colts, then it'll be another QB going 2nd to Miami.

More importantly, if anyone wondered why our offense sucks and can't put up points, then listen to Hartline, who said, "“We’re more concerned about protection than having the best personnel on the field…. I wish we could get to the point where we’re making [defenses] change than … us try to change our offense to fit their defense.”

And that's the story of Sparano's HC career. His offense doesn't dictate to defenses, they try to change to fit what they are doing.

Also, for those who are either blind or think they know something NO ONE ELSE IN THE LEAGUE BELIEVES, here's some interesting stats:

- Of the three quarterbacks who rank worst in the league in fourth-quarter passer rating, two are Dolphins: now-injured Chad Henne is 37th at 48.7 and Moore is 39th and last at 44.2. Curtis Painter, whose Colts are also winless, is 38th.

- Moore’s overall 65.3 quarterback rating is second-worst in the league, ahead of only Jacksonville’s Blaine Gabbert.

- The Dolphins are converting 25.8 percent of their third-down attempts (23 for 89). That’s worst in the league and by far the worst in franchise history since the NFL began keeping track of that statistic in 1973. Even during the 1-15 season, Miami was at 37.2.

Yup, I know it's almost unbelievable, but after 14 HORRIBLE QBs, we've actually been able to stumble on the worst one yet. Not the right direction to be going in for the most important position on the team.


Matt More has improved since his first start with the Dolphins, he will continue to improve. With the right coaching I believe h e can be a good starting QB in this league.
He seems to be better than Henne in the pocket, he has a quick release, his decision making is improving and he moves well in the pocket while showing pocket awareness for the defense around him.
Look for more improvement this week, I like his steady growing game. A breakout is imminent from him.

Broadway Joe won a SB (equivalent) and his stats suck; Dilfer wins one and he sucks; Rex Grossman brought his team to one; Sanchez was one game away twice....if Luck is better than ANY of them please take him, at least we have a shot at the playoffs if that's the case, give me something to be excited about......or draft a RT cause that's what we do and it's a glaring need

Agree with Simms. I think Landry Jones will be better. He has better poise in the pocket and makes better throws. Look at the Luck highlights and most of the time his receiver is wide open with no one around him. Look at Jones highlights and you see him making throws between defenders. Not to say Luck doesn't have some highlights like that, but pull up a youtube highlight reel and his receivers are so wide open even Curtis Painter could hit them. BEcause people were wrong about Cam Newton, doesn't mean now that every QB is going to be great. Cam is the exception not the rule.

You guys need to start talking about the veteran free agent QB that we are going to put on the roster to tutor Luck.

We have to pick a franchise QB. The better question is the 2nd and third pick. We need a pass rusher, we need a TE, We need O-line, we need another receiver. Probably need another LB.

I still think we should have brought in Leinhart from Texas.

But eventually you have to start talking about who you are going to bring in as the Veteran back up. I would also bring in Pennington as a QB coach.

Go Dolphins!!STill pulling that almost empty band wagon. Turning into a tired mule.

Mando, stop talking about andrew luck. WE ARE NOT GONNA DRAFT HIM. We're not the worst team in the league and when its done we won't have the first pick. He will get drafted by the colts. If you like the colts so much you really should move to indy and write about their team.

This team has so many problems that one player isn't going to solve them. There's no doubt that Miami needs to pick a franchise quarterback in the first round this year if they have that chance but, unless they also get the tackle and guard on the o-line they need, it's going to be another long season.
If they get a top five pick and get Jones or Barkley they still needs to get someone like Mike Adams at OT and then they need a guard, someone like Kevin Zeitler from Wisconsin.
Zeitler is currently a third round projection but, if you've ever seen him play, he's like watching a defensive lineman playing on the offensive line.
However you slice it they have their hands full trying to rebuild this team. Good luck to whoever gets the job.

DC,

I wondered were both Henne and Moore ranked statistically League wide, so thanks. I also don`t buy the argument Simms is making here. Do you remember back before the 98 draft all the hoopla with the Leaf/ Manning debate and after Polian takes Manning Mel Kiper famously says that the Colts had blown the pick were Polian live on T.V. asks "who the hell is Mel Kiper and were has he been a G.M. before"

I remind you of this because after watching the 97 Natl Champ. game were Mich. plays Leaf and his Wash. St. team I was also convinced Leaf was the better player because he had the better arm, Marino like but there were the intangibles you can`t measure. Manning was getting ripped for not having the great arm and after all he never could beat Florida but even in College the smarts on him shown through big time as he did alot of his audibeling at the line like Luck does know. You watch Luck play and you almost have to do a double take because the comparisons are more than fair and he is very similar to what Manning was.

As far as the arm strength comparison goes I remind everbody that in todays pass happy game some of the very best aren`t the strongest armed guys Brees, Manning and Brady all have good arms but they don`t have the arm that a Rivers or Cutler have yet in that group are they are the ones wearing S.B. rings. Maturity and command of your team are just as important Henne for all his arm didn`t have it but Noodle arm Pennington did and Ryan Leaf melted under the pressure while Manning thrived. You can`t under state the importance these intangibles play in your Q.B. and as far as arm strength goes in the USC game the pass that Luck throws were the Personal Foul was called late was a dart in a tight space that his WR should have caught.

Sorry Michael, I see big open windows. You can dump on his WR's, but his TE's are legit and his O-line might be the best in the nation.

He is the best QB. However, he is not John Elway or Peyton Manning.

Matt Barkley matched him throw for throw the other night. True enough Woods is better on the perimeter than what Luck has. However, the point is that Barkley made just as many money throws.

Boulder, look at the standings, we ARE the worst team in the league. Winless record and have had an easier schedule than Indy. We have every right to talk about Andrew Luck because these idiots put our team in the position that we we have nothing else to talk about too.

P.s. I like Landry Jones just as much.

judy finkle,

You get no argument out of me on the list of needs for the team but if this last offseason for example taught us anything is that you can get short term fixes for the OL and decent LB help in FA while addressing T.E., WR and one of the OL positions through the draft. Every year it seems we pass on alot of the players in FA that could help this team. Just last season we could have signed Saints RG Goodwin and Bryant Mkinnie to play RT both upgrades over Colombo and Carey who could have plugged those leaks for us for the next 2 to 3 seasons.

At LB I was high on Tampa MLB Barrett Rudd who was out there and resigned at 5 Mil per but we needed the often injured Burnett for the same money. How many times since teams in the late 90`s learned to use the FA market have you seen teams swing a 180 from one year to the next but and it`s a big what, but or if Mr. Ross can find an adequate G.M. who in turn hires the right Coach because if he blows that it won`t mean a hill of beans whether we draft an A.Luck or not because he`ll be saddled with inferior talent around him and eaten alive.

Mark in Toronto / Boulder,

I took the time to look it up based on strength of schedule if Miami and Indy both end their seasons winless Miami gets the 1st pick in the 2012 draft. The thing is our guys look pissed and like they want to win a game or two while Indy has folded and are just playing out the season at this point.

Simmms is paid to yack. He yawns too much for my tastes. Plus,

he wasn't alllll that! His head is full of crap...

Andrew Luck is a measuring stick to be...

Nothing more, nothing less.

I hope Miami gets his #...

4 what it's worth-

Has anyone thought about this? Will Luck even want to go to the Colts if they draft him? I think he pulls a John Elway and tells them no way. Why would you want to go to a team that has a franchise QB that is still (if healthy)going to be around for 3 or 4 more years and just sit on the bench when you are a FOR SURE instant starter on the Dolphins as well as 95% of the other teams in the NFL? No way would I go to the Colts if I'm Luck. I tell them no way.

If Miami does end up getting the first pick overall in the upcoming draft, watch Luck pull an Eli on the Dolphins. Unless Ross gets rid of these clowns, Luck will NEVER be a dolphin. You can bet the farm on that.

Marino forever, the same holds true for the dolphins.

The Colts have old man Manning. But, why would Luck want to play in Miami where dysfunction reigns supreme?

Without a LEGIT HC, competent GM & coaching staff, Luck would probably rather sit behind Manning than play for this laughing stock franchise.

Enjoying the knowledge here. Regarding Luck's availability to us, the very well respected Dick Stockton said yesterday on Armando's program that, we are not one of the worst Teams in the League, that they are surprised at our present record, specially by the decline of the defense and, "oh, they are going to win a few games before the Season is finished". Bad news.

LANDRY JONES!!! This kid has some unreal accuracy and arm strength. Luck will be a decent QB, but Jones will be a Pro-Bowler for years to come. Barkley will be a middle of the pack one. No thanks. I don’t think any GM will be able to pass on Luck due to the hype around him, so I almost hope we get 2nd pick and don’t have to make that choice.

Joe, do you see any way Ross lets these two clowns back? He already tried to replace sparano and he already neutered Ireland by vetoing the orton trade. He obviously already lost confidence in Ireland by asking his scouts opinion on Kyle orton and whether he was worth the money.

Ross is doing what most of the fans are doing. He's waiting for his franchise qb. He mailed in the season although his team has not. He covets a franchise qb and a strong figurehead coach as much as the fans.

fin4life, excellent ananlysis on making points in favor of Luck. I too feel that the mental makeup of a QB is much more important than how strong Luck arm is.

With that said there is a chance we dont get the number 1 pick so we have to take a hard look at the other top 3. Some of you guys are gonna kill yourself if/when we dont get the #1 pick.

Phill Sims is an IDIOT. I hate watching the games he calls on CBS.

The guy is a true Idiot. End of Story.

I would love for Stanford to get a shot at either Alabama or LSU. You want to see Luck have to make those tough throws Simms speaks of? Chances are he'd need to in that matchup. Not sure they'll make it past Oregon however. Think they might get outscored like last year.

Oscar, the bad news is, you probably bought into the hype last year. This defense really hasn't declined. Did Stockton watch every Miami game last year & this year or did he just pick up the end of season rankings??

It's about as good as it was last year. We fed on the bottom feeders & we stunk against good offenses. This year has been NO different. He should try watching all the games & not reading stats.

Win a few games? Pick 3 games you see Miami winning? KC? Oak? Buf? In the past I'd give you those but considering they are all better than we are, I'm not seeing it.

This team is too busy beating themselves every week, they don't have time to beat the other team. Face it, the 2007 team that won a whopping ONE game was more beat up, had worse Qb's playing & still played better than this team.

Jake Long has given up 5 sacks...Marc Colombo 3. Richie Incognito and Mike Pouncey 2 each. This o-line really sucks in pass protection. Running game is enjoying a bit of success but overall I think it's safe to say the o-line has underachieved (again). This has been a weakness for years now and should be one more reason to fire these boneheads. Long has got to be injured. He was one of the best in the league and now he sucks. wtf...

Here's my first two steals of the draft if they remain in their current position:

Jarius Wright, WR, Arkansas
Currently ranked 128 out of all prospects

Joe Adams, WR, Arkansas
Currently ranked 196 out of all prosepects

Miami has a chance to take either of these guys, or both, where they are at right now and you can get rid of Hartline and Bess. They both have 40 times in the 4.38 area, but what impresses me most is they are FOOTBALL PLAYERS. I like Roberto Wallace and I like Marlon Moore. But, these two guys from Arkansas have played the game a long time and they have played it in the toughest conference in the SEC.
If you check their stats you won't be impressed and that's where I think everyone is missing the boat. Arkansas has 3 wideouts that they use in their lineup, Greg Childs is the 3rd. So, none of them have stats that stand out because they spread the ball out among the 3. Last year they also had DJ Williams so he took away some of their opps.
Pick up these two and Clyde Gates also becomes expendable. It is obvious that Gates is going to be a project because his lack of experience. These two guys have experience in a real competitive atmosphere being in the SEC.
Compare these two to some of the guys that are ranked higher and I think you'll come away shaking your head. We all know how many mistakes the so-called guru's make. Look at the Steelers with a 3rd, a 5th and a 5th at starting wideouts.
So, there you have it. My wideout steals of the draft. JMHO>

Simms is a Parcell's guy, enough said!

Luck is by far the best QB coming out of college since P. Manning. This is not to say he couldn't be a bust but that could happen with any player at any position in the draft.

Joe Schmoe, Sparano's record versus good teams is 7-23. That stat speaks for itself...Mr.Ross, are you paying attention?

Mark, Sparano has got to be a goner for sure. I have a sense that he might keep Ireland. If that's true, it will severly hinder bringing in an established coach.

If Ireland stays, expect the coordinator / assitant route. If he goes, potentially Fisher/Gruden type.

Of course any one of Us would love Luck here and if not, wish for a repeat of the 1983 QB class. But, thinking about what Darryll said yesterday, about SF winning with a less than good QB, it leads me to think that a good Coach is more important than a franchise QB. However, we had the same Coach in 2008, but with Pennington at the controls, we won the Division. Hmm..

#1 Dolphin, thanks for taking my stat, everyone knows I posted that yesterday.

Is Ross were to keep Ireland you guys in Miami should form one of those "occupy" rallies. I don't think Ross is that stupid.

Maybe, Joe, but the subject was Luck...

fin4life,
No the colts have an easier schedule which means they get the 1st pick. IF they go winless with an easier schedule they get the pick. But it doesn't matter because I think the phins win at least 1 game this year.
Instead of worrying about which pick we get Ross should worry about getting the right FO together. They can figure out which QB to take with the pick. We won't get the number 1 pick. The phins aren't that lucky.

Sorry Spiderman. I'm not here 24/7 like a lot of people. Don't take it personnel.

SF is smoke and mirrors. Nice story but sooner or later they are going to be exposed. Jim harbaugh is who I thought he was though -but a star coach. Unfortunately he's going to have a tough go of it long term because SF will have a tough time finding that franchise qb every team needs -a unless kaepernick develops.

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