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Let the deconstructing of Andrew Luck begin

At least people waited until after the 2010 college football season to start ripping Cam Newton's abilities and professional prospects. The Heisman Trophy winner who would go on to be the No. 1 overall draft pick was allowed to play the season and no one really questioned his ability as the nation's best QB.

(They questioned how much he was playing for -- as in $$$ -- but not that he was a fine player.)

Seems Andrew Luck, the likely first overall selection in the 2012 draft and a Dolphins' target, is already being criticized by folks who aren't really experts on the topic -- starting with former Giants quarterback Phill Simms.

"I think his best quality, by far, is he’s big and strong and he’s going to be able to move and run in the NFL," Simms said on SiriusXM NFL radio this week. "There’s no question. I mean, this guy is strong. The throwing? He manages a game. I see all that.

"But the one thing I don’t see, I just don’t see bigtime NFL throws. I don’t care what anybody says. I’ve watched a lot of him. He never takes it and rips it in there. And you can say what you want but, man, you’ve got to be able to crease that ball every once in a while. We see it every week in these games. Hey, he can develop it but even in the USC game, you know, he’s very careful with it, guides it a lot. That’s what I see. There’s not a lot of rotation on the ball and there’s not a tremendous amount of power. Not that you need to have that power arm. I’m not saying you’ve got to have that exclusively but, man, it sure helps when you can do that because there’s four or five plays a game it is about arm strength. And sometimes quarterbacks who don’t have it, they pass those plays up. Why? Well, they go, ‘I don’t know if I can make that throw,’ so they throw it short. That’s why I’m a little more reserved in my judgment than everybody else."

Simms is an NFL Super Bowl champion QB. He gets paid to analyze games. He's a media star. But he has no credentials as a scout or personnel man. And he's not passing along information he has heard from a scout or personnel man. So one has to weigh his expertise and draw your own conclusion on how much you buy his view or not.

There's also this: Last week Simms said the Indianapolis Colts would not select Luck because Peyton Manning wouldn't let them.

Yeah ... right.

Seems to me Simms has a latent Andrew Luck burr somewhere.

But ...

Suppose for a minute he's right. Is this the first of a coming chorus of voices that will tear at the fabric of Luck's kingly garments from now until April? The supposed first overall pick endures such treatment starting every offseason. Simms has begun the exercise a bit early with Luck.

I personally don't know as much football as Simms nor have I his credentials. I only pass along what two scouts and a couple of experts who study tape are telling me about Luck.

And they like the kid a lot.

And in the highlights I've watched, he looks darn good to me! I would love to see more 14- to 16-yard outs but that doesn't mean he can't make the throws. He attacks the seam of the defense like he woke up after two years of sleep and just spotted breakfast. He is athletic to escape the pocket. He has nice footwork. His release is quick enough and has a high release point. His accuracy doesn't seem to be an issue.

Does that mean Andrew Luck is going to be a Hall of Famer? Of course not. Like everyone else, I want to see more and have the experts see more so they can tell people like me what they think. But to already say he doesn't impress?

Let the paralysis by analysis begin!

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JS,

Nice list!

Thanks, f4l
CBS sports website has a comprehensive list of everyone, but it hasn't been updated in a while, and I doubt ratings and rankings will change until combine time. But head over there if you want to break 'em down yourself.

JS, cut the bulls..t.Get to the point. Who's the next Tom Brady so we can make sure we draft him? LOL!

JS,

Thanks will do!

Simms is an NFL Super Bowl champion QB. He gets paid to analyze games. He's a media star. But he has no credentials as a scout or personnel man.

Funny I was thinking the exact same thing about you yet every post is about your moronic fire stirring comments like you really know anything about football or what goes on with a team and the front office or analyzing talent. You're a hack feeding off the emotions of a downtradden fan base. When was the last time you wrote anything without making the post about what someone else said? all you do is regergitate other peoples comments and oppinions. Suck to kick Mondo out of writing anything. Suck for Luck fans can ride the same wave as Mondo and his pathetic TMZ style reporting.

Aren't we glad we passed up on Robiskie? For the millionth time you cant expect to get a playmaker from a white WR. We already have Hartline who isnt much and were suppose to take a look at Robiskie!??

Don't give me that arguement about Welker, he's good so what you can only name about 3 good white WR in the NFL. Whoopty doo!

Montreal fan...
Well gee, IF we have the #1 pick in the draft, there would be Middle Eastern sized riot outside Dolphins FO if we didn't draft Luck. So ... Luck.
Assuming we're in the top 4 picks range if we don't have #1 pick, then I'd go with either Barkley of Jones depending on how the combine shakes out. But I really like Weedon. Could move up. Not high on Griffin, don't like Tannehill, and not interested in trading down. May take 2 QBs just to be sure ;) ..if it was me. Trade one later for a linebacker who hates opposing QBs.

6 years in college? Is this guy Van Wilder?

Robiskie is BLACK! His father was the WRs coach for the Dolphins.

JS in LA -- by all accounts Griffin has the IQ -- the guy is already studying for his Masters degree. I would argue that only Luck has better intangifbles than RG3.

What I'm not sure about is whether RG3 has the arm to make all of the NFL throws. Heck of an athlete and competitor though.

Is it me or it seems we're talking draft every november??? That's not good.

The talk on whether Luck would ask for a trade or not is purely speculation. Yes it`s out there but not from the horses mouth, it`s all supposedly from sources close to him or somebody heard him talking to somebody else about it, blah, blah, blah As it stands now if the draft happend tomorow he`d be either a Dolphin, Colt, Seahawk or Cardinal and out of all those places Miami is the best market to land in.

Indy is a mid Western town were he`d ride the bench for at least the remainder of Manning`s 4 year contract. The Seahawks play in the NFL version of Siberia and the Cards are another perennial looser with all kinds of cap trouble because of the deal given Kolb and their once very deep WR Corp. is now very thin. Miami on the other hand is a #2 TV market behind only N.Y. and L.A. there is tons to do and promote for a young, wealthy and famous bachelor. All Ross has to do is set the house in order and I don`t see how when one sees stability that Miami and it`s market doesn`t become appealing.

Hey don`t believe me just ask about every former member of the team through out the teams history still living in S. Fla. Including those that left but came back when done playing.

Think the draft talk started in late September this year.

Gary,
The highlights I saw for RG3, he looked indistinguishable from Cam Newton other than size (listed at 6-2, but seems shorter). Amazing athlete, nice arm, looks great running a spread. The drawbacks to me is his ability to drop back and read an NFL field. That's always the first question once the new draft pick arrives is how well will he read the opposing D's in the NFL. I'd say huge upside, but prob 3-4 years in training before we have a consistent product. So hence the reservations. I don't have 3-4 of patience left. ;)

The guy who thought Robiskie was white must be the same dolt from yesterday who was convinced Bob Kuechenberg was the Dolphins LT for years.

Posted by: mr. drysdale

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John doesn't care for white receivers because of their genes. Can almost not blame him for assuming Robiskie was Polish (which would have been even worse than just "plain white dude" like, well, Hartline).

If I was enjoying the knowledge I read here at midday, I am in full not enjoying mode right now since some guy said back there, "gambling is based on hunches". Hmm..

Good list JS. I'll add something.

Brandon Weedon:
Con - he's 28

Have seen a lot of Luck, Barkley and Foles but not much of Jones.

"I see Luck throwing to WIDE open receivers. Where are the stick throws?"

Do you know why those guys are wide open? Hint -- it's not because Stanford has the fastest wide receivers on the planet. It's because Andrew Luck is calling the plays (himself), changing them if necessary at the line of scrimmage, reading the defense, and throwing the ball to the right guy, with touch, instead of trying to show off his arm.

That guy was me, what's up Oscar?

EVERYBODY knows that Andrew Luck is a sure-fire #1 pick, as Elway and Cam Newton were, including Phil Simms, who is creating controversy God knows for what purpo$e.

Weedon 28? That's like that Johnny Knoxville movie where pretended to be mentally handicapped to win the special Olympics. Play with someone more age appropriate!!!

The guy who thought Robiskie was white must be the same dolt from yesterday who was convinced Bob Kuechenberg was the Dolphins LT for years.

Publicado por: mr. drysdale | November 03, 2011 at 03:23 PM

Bob Kuechenberg played LT, LG and Center for Miami through out his career about the only thing left for Shula to do was plug him in the DL. Brian Robiskie`s dad never Coached for the Miami Dolphins but the Raiders and Redskins through out his career, he was the Skins interim H.C. in either 99 or 2000 and is a black man just like his son who was a very sure handed WR in College at Ohio St.

Chris, 28!? Holy crap. Missed that.
Ok, off the Weeden bandwagon.
Luck #1, Barkely #2, Jones#3 (maybe), have to work on my new #4 fav. Arggh.

Correction Terry Robiske was here in Miami 2007, no wonder I had a mental block about it.

Not saying he couldn't still be a keeper, just saying. Maybe the guy is mormon or served in the military before college. Not sure.

After these monsters #1 overall QB picks are chosen, it becomes a guessing game(yes, gambling) about how the other QB's are going to turn out. Last year, I thought that Andy Dalton was the second worst QB coming out, and actually, he has turned out pretty good. ?

what are chances Peyton Manning does a Chad Pennington and winds up in Miami after the Colts take Luck?

Then our #2 pick (Jones or Barkley) would have some time to learn from Manning

hey, a man can HOPE!!

Yeah, pretty dumb comment John (without even mentioning you were wrong about dude's race).

I wouldn't mind having Jordy Nelson on my team right about now. He'd knock the socks off any WR we currently have. Or how about Austin Collie, was a pretty good receiver when Peyton was healthy. And don't even bring up older guys like Brandon Stokely, Kevin Curtis, Ed McCafferey, Steve Largent.

Who really cares what race the players are? I'd take 53 Afghans if they could win more than 7 games.

I'd take Wes Welker back. Though he'd probably just be average again in this system.

Phil Simms sucks as a quarterback and an announcer, never has anything good to say about fins, even when we were winning. I'd be very happy with Luck or anyone of the top rated qbs coming out this yr. My only concern would be, will he get killed before he can develop fully.

Kuechenberg played something like 25 games out of HUNDREDS over a 14-year career at any position other than guard, and only did so out of necessity (injuries to others).

He was a GUARD.

I see you're still trying desperately to cling to your erroneous and ill-informed memories of his career. I believe you also had him playing tackle in Super Bowl 8. Yet another thing that never actually occurred.

Any interesting QB's available in free agency? As far as I'm concerned, we need 2 QBs. It's one thing to draft one, but having someone with a bit of experience wouldn't hurt either. And please don't say Matt Moore.

Bro, Toronto Mark, gambling, for most People, indeed is based on hunches. But, for a small group that make their living out of it(see LV as prime example), it is all about probabilty and calculations.

Jeez you cant fault me with a pollock name like Robiskie. Anyways until someone proves my thory about white WR's I'm still right.

No white WR's!

(No offence) :)

Chad Henne is available.

I JUST MADE PEE PEE ON THE FLOOR AND KITTYCAT WATCHED ME!!

Chris, agree, except a 28 yr.old isn't a top 5 pick. Even if we win a few, we'll be somewhere 1-6 pick in the draft - my guess. Not everyone needs a QB, so the big question is whether we'll be taking #2,3, or 4th rated QB on the board. My guess is even at #6 pick, we'd have #3 rated QB avail. But who the heck knows?
Colts will pick a QB, for sure. Out of the other bad teams that may end up among the worst? Seahawks, Cards, maybe Broncos take QBs. Vikes, Rams, Jags, Panthers don't need one.
Vikes will win more soon, Rams will too, Panthers may. Colts, Seahawks, Jags, maybe Cards are our real competition.

Yeah, pretty dumb comment John (without even mentioning you were wrong about dude's race).

I wouldn't mind having Jordy Nelson on my team right about now. He'd knock the socks off any WR we currently have. Or how about Austin Collie, was a pretty good receiver when Peyton was healthy. And don't even bring up older guys like Brandon Stokely, Kevin Curtis, Ed McCafferey, Steve Largent.

Who really cares what race the players are? I'd take 53 Afghans if they could win more than 7 games.

DC Dolfan | November 03, 2011 at 03:45 PM

Very good post and yes they could be Eskimos as well if they brought us home a title. I thought Jimmy Johnson said it best when asked about the players he`d draft and he said "I`d draft the devil himself if I thought he could play" By the way if there is a player who probably has Manning on his short list it`s Collie. On all the concussion plays Manning really led the pass into dangerous territory nearly getting him killed Vs. Philly and Houston.


What does an incontinent Rabbi has to do with this conversation?

If Peyton comes back for the last few games, then here's my draft Prediction:

1. Fins
2. Seahawks
3. Colts
4. Cards
5. Jags

If Peyton doesn't come back:

1. Colts
2. Fins
3. Seahawks
4. Cards
5. Jags

In such case, Barkley may be our man.

True JS. Don't think Colts will take a QB unless they pick #1 or Manning's neck isn't fully healed. Don't see Arizona taking a QB unless it's Luck. Seahawks and Broncos yes but they already have two wins.

Worst case scenario barring something unusual happening seems to be getting the #2 QB on the board whomever that may be. But of course if we win a couple games that's all out the window.

You see what I mean? Peyton Manning would be the biggest fool(and he's far from it) to play again(cervical stuff, forget it). Smoke screen.

Maybe Manning comes back and wins a couple games for the Colts to keep them out of the "sweepstakes" and prevent them from taking a QB with their first pick? You got to admit that team has a lot of holes besides QB.

Oscar, you're a professional gambler? Nice? Shouldn't you have a more flashy handle than Oscar canosa? Like Miami Oscar or south beach canosa?

Agreeing with fin4life and JJ. Example, Tim Tebow. Supposing he fails as a starter and besides backup, I would try to feed him some plays as an H-back, put him in somewhere else in certain situations, even as a water boy. I want him around. The guy radiates that winning confidence which few have.

What if Henne comes back this year? Do you still think we'd get the 1st pick?

I see you're still trying desperately to cling to your erroneous and ill-informed memories of his career. I believe you also had him playing tackle in Super Bowl 8. Yet another thing that never actually occurred.

mr. drysdale | November 03, 2011 at 03:50 PM

Listen unlike some I don`t look up any information I shoot it of the top of my head so mistakes I could make and cling to nothing on something as trivial as a sports blog do I do, after all it isn`t life and death but a game I happen to watch. I was born in 1972 so going back into the 70`s is an area were mistakes I can make.

I see your the same person who took the converstaion off point yesterday when my points didn`t suit your claims. The debate not argument because were not in person and I don`t argue over a computer screen was simple. You state Dan Marino played behind some of the greatest OL`s in history and I laugh at the notion being that I do remember quite perfectly Marino`s entire career being I was 11 years old and present at the OB when he lost his 1st start to Buffalo game in which the OB was booing him early before he connected long to Duper.

Marino had such a great OL that when his real best pocket protector, his release was neutralized by the 49ers 6 and 7 DB formations his vaunted historic lines as you say couldn`t do a thing to help him against a 4 man front, they couldn`t pass block and they couldn`t run block exposing them for the old "FINESSE" bunch they were. A problem that hounded Marino through out his career behind your so called great OL that he enjoyed. It`s why in 85 they begin to roll Marino in the pocket while sliding protection you IDIOT!! It`s how he beats Chicago Monday Night before the wheels come competely off between 86-89 which saw the arrival of Webb and Simms

DC,
No disrespect but....

Laughing so damned hard.

My God, how many times do I have to tell you not to generalize in Internet!(you will get your a-s burned). Let's see, an example, hmm(the eleph,no,no), ah!,"most gambling is based on hunches". Si?

oscar,


mark is right aBOUT GAMBLING ....... AS YOU KNOW MARK IS AN EDUCATED PERSON NOT LIKE THE CUBAN OR DYING BREED .


PS...DID YOU HEAR ANY THING FROM DB SINCE HE WAS EVICTED FROM HIS COND AFTER NOT PAYING HIS LAST 7 MONTH OF RENT ?

i never seen in my life any one ends OK WITH GAMBLING ,THEY ALL END HOMELESS AND RENTERS AS DB .

fin4, you have very good knowledge, you're being provoked

oscar, we ALL HAVE BEEN PROVOKED ON THIS FORMAT .


(( BUFFET OF KNOWLEDGE )).....

Not sure, last I heard he was to be found under a non-specific bridge.

If I'm not mistaken, he(DB) was a gambler.

JS, what'dya mean? You don't think Henne will win out if he came back? With all the talent we have?

Yes, ALoco. If you lose your cool in Internet, you are plugged, in the behind.

oscar/ Aloco,

Now that you guys mention it I have been wondering if maybe DB wasn`t posting under a new name. He just disappeared, what`s this about Pro Gambler and being evicted, say it ain`t so!

Sure, fin4, but he lost his identity(unforgivable in Internet).

DC,

Doesn`t Henne have the same type of injury on his shoulder that shelved Romo all last year and do you really think he`d try and come back this Season, for what??? Everybody is talking about a vet Q.B. to go with the incoming Rookie and wouldn`t Henne be high on that list barring an offer from another team.

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