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Let the deconstructing of Andrew Luck begin

At least people waited until after the 2010 college football season to start ripping Cam Newton's abilities and professional prospects. The Heisman Trophy winner who would go on to be the No. 1 overall draft pick was allowed to play the season and no one really questioned his ability as the nation's best QB.

(They questioned how much he was playing for -- as in $$$ -- but not that he was a fine player.)

Seems Andrew Luck, the likely first overall selection in the 2012 draft and a Dolphins' target, is already being criticized by folks who aren't really experts on the topic -- starting with former Giants quarterback Phill Simms.

"I think his best quality, by far, is he’s big and strong and he’s going to be able to move and run in the NFL," Simms said on SiriusXM NFL radio this week. "There’s no question. I mean, this guy is strong. The throwing? He manages a game. I see all that.

"But the one thing I don’t see, I just don’t see bigtime NFL throws. I don’t care what anybody says. I’ve watched a lot of him. He never takes it and rips it in there. And you can say what you want but, man, you’ve got to be able to crease that ball every once in a while. We see it every week in these games. Hey, he can develop it but even in the USC game, you know, he’s very careful with it, guides it a lot. That’s what I see. There’s not a lot of rotation on the ball and there’s not a tremendous amount of power. Not that you need to have that power arm. I’m not saying you’ve got to have that exclusively but, man, it sure helps when you can do that because there’s four or five plays a game it is about arm strength. And sometimes quarterbacks who don’t have it, they pass those plays up. Why? Well, they go, ‘I don’t know if I can make that throw,’ so they throw it short. That’s why I’m a little more reserved in my judgment than everybody else."

Simms is an NFL Super Bowl champion QB. He gets paid to analyze games. He's a media star. But he has no credentials as a scout or personnel man. And he's not passing along information he has heard from a scout or personnel man. So one has to weigh his expertise and draw your own conclusion on how much you buy his view or not.

There's also this: Last week Simms said the Indianapolis Colts would not select Luck because Peyton Manning wouldn't let them.

Yeah ... right.

Seems to me Simms has a latent Andrew Luck burr somewhere.

But ...

Suppose for a minute he's right. Is this the first of a coming chorus of voices that will tear at the fabric of Luck's kingly garments from now until April? The supposed first overall pick endures such treatment starting every offseason. Simms has begun the exercise a bit early with Luck.

I personally don't know as much football as Simms nor have I his credentials. I only pass along what two scouts and a couple of experts who study tape are telling me about Luck.

And they like the kid a lot.

And in the highlights I've watched, he looks darn good to me! I would love to see more 14- to 16-yard outs but that doesn't mean he can't make the throws. He attacks the seam of the defense like he woke up after two years of sleep and just spotted breakfast. He is athletic to escape the pocket. He has nice footwork. His release is quick enough and has a high release point. His accuracy doesn't seem to be an issue.

Does that mean Andrew Luck is going to be a Hall of Famer? Of course not. Like everyone else, I want to see more and have the experts see more so they can tell people like me what they think. But to already say he doesn't impress?

Let the paralysis by analysis begin!

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I believe the expert on shoulder injuries is Pennington, and he should be the one to teach the kid.


I don`t get it, what do you mean he lost his identity and you ever notice if you remove the iden from identity, it really spells tity. That`s up there with the thought of CAT actually spelling DOG.


Nah, DC has balls, he'll come out from under that bridge, soon.

I'm glad you were at that game when you were 11 years old. I was 21 at the time and had been going to Dolphins games since 1970. Section 32, Row 5.

Sorry to have pointed out the simple fact that your memory was so faulty. You had Kuechenberg (an all-time Dolphin great) playing tackle when he was a guard, except for RARE occassions when injuries forced him to move ---temporarily---to another position.

You had Marino playing behind "lousy" offensive lines when the fact of the matter is he played behind some OUTSTANDING lines early in his career, anchored by the best center in NFL history, Dwight Stephenson and a better than average LT in Jon Giesler (where you erroneously had Kuechenberg playing).

You had Kuechenberg playing tackle in Super Bowl 8. The starting tackles in that game were Wayne Moore and Norm Evans, as they were throughout the Super Bowl years.

Feel free to get your panties in a bunch over being corrected. That's your right. And I also don't dispute what a great fan you've been all these years. But sometimes you're going to get things wrong, as you did here.

And FYI, I did NOT have to look up anything aside from seeing how many games Keuchenberg played at any position other than guard. I was there just as much as you were, my friend.


I got to be honest watching you and DB go back and forth everyday was part of the fun. Admit it you miss it as well, ditto on hoping he`s alright.

If there's nothing else, we resort to Humor. We did it during the lockout, why not know(for myself, I could not withstand seriousness until the end of the Season).

Maybe if Henne has brain surgery. Otherwise, non.

And Yes, fin4life, I agree Henne is a good vet to have in reserve. As is Matt Moore. Pick one. I've said all along Henne is a quality #2. Just not a #1. Whoever is cheaper stays here (assuming they want to).

Boy, some People with some serious knowledge about the Miami Dolphins here. I'll step aside.

All I can say is that Miami desperately needs a franchise Quarterback and there will be several outstanding prospects available this year's coming NFL Draft, or so it appears. I'm just hoping that the Dolphins will make better Draft selections this coming year, hopefully starting with a franchise Quarterback for next year and the future! All winning franchises have elite superstar Quarterbacks! Get it done Miami!

mr. drysdale,

I admitted to you as much yesterday that I was wrong and told you that I didn`t doubt your all time fan pass either. I just don`t agree about the OL play. I felt them a liability that Marino`s release covered up on many occasions. It didn`t even take exotic formations cause I`ll never forget after the 85 Season our 1st playoff game Vs. Cleveland when they`re outstanding DB`S led by Minnifield and the late Don Rodgers had our WR`s shutdown and the pass protecton kept breaking down until Marino started to slow them down running draws of all plays with Ron Davenport.

It always seemed to take an adjustment by Marino after S.B. 19 to settle games and opponent rush packages down. You talk about Dwight Stevenson but common they only got to play together for what amounted to 3 Seasons (most of 83 through part of 86) Marino really played with Jeff Ulenhake and Tim Ruddy at Center and in honesty with alot of suspect players shuffling up and down the OL from the mid-80`s on.

I don`t get upset at being corrected and being you`ve got a decade on me then you remember those 70`s teams like I remember the 80`s I just didn`t feel there was a need for name calling being that if you`ve ever read the things I post here you know I avoid that stuff. I do remember some of the 70`s but obviously not in the same detail. My biggest memory is actually a loss when Zonk came back from the World League and we had a match up with Pitt. were they beat us up at 3 rivers and ofcourse the constant shuffling with an old Griese until Shula put Woodley in one day Vs. the Baltimore Colts if memory serves but that was already 80.

It would be interesting to see what Simms means bya lot, I have seen maybe 6 quarters of Andrew Luck and I he hasn't blown me away but I can't come out and say he is this or that form watching just one game.

fin, it was a joke I was making to JS about Henne. Someone posted what the Colts record would be if Peyton came back, so I decided to add my chuckle in there. Wasn't serious on Henne.

Also, I heard DB is now yesterday's gone.

Now I'm gone, everyone enjoy your evening (but Sparano & Ireland, may you rot in Hell).

How many Peyton Manning passes are really gunned in there or thrown on a rope? Think about it. Eli has a much stronger arm then his brother, yet I doubt too many people would pick Eli over a healthy Peyton. The great QB's have killer instinct, great anticipation, and excellent field generals. Jeff George had the best arm in the NFL when he played but he was an idiot, ditto Jamarcus Russell. Brains, instinct, and leadership trump elite arm strength. Luck will be a stud where ever he goes, just watch.

Miami Dolphins Miami Dolphins Miami Dolphins number 32,
They lose the ball, and miss the tackle, their never in control,
and when you say Miami your talking coaching fools.

Cause were the Miami Dolphins Miami Dolphins Miami Dolphins number 32,
Miami Dolphins Miami Dolphins Miami Dolphins number 32.

It doesn't matter if Luck turns to be a R.Leaf. As I mentioned in one of my comments some time ago, the formula to get to a SB at least once every 16 years is to draft one 1s-round-QB every 4 years (unless one of those is great of course). So if Luck sucks, then draft a good QB until it complies. Not all the 1st-Rd QB will be great, but most of the SB QB are 1st rounders (just check the statistics). So bottom line, select as many QB's in 1st round until you get it. This is something that the Dolphins haven't learn (apart from Shula). That is why they are at the bottom. Until they learn this formula, this franchise will stink in the most awful of ways.

I can't agree more or say it better, so, i will just re post the previous message:

Agree with Simms. I think Landry Jones will be better. He has better poise in the pocket and makes better throws. Look at the Luck highlights and most of the time his receiver is wide open with no one around him. Look at Jones highlights and you see him making throws between defenders. Not to say Luck doesn't have some highlights like that, but pull up a youtube highlight reel and his receivers are so wide open even Curtis Painter could hit them. BEcause people were wrong about Cam Newton, doesn't mean now that every QB is going to be great. Cam is the exception not the rule.

Posted by: dolfnman | November 03, 2011 at 08:49 AM

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