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Looking ahead to the Bills who may or may not stink

The Buffalo Bills, the next opponent for the Dolphins, have hit an interesting point in their season.

After starting out an inspired 4-1 and leading the AFC East, the Bills have, shall we say, hit a rough patch of late. No, check that. If "of late" is defined as yesterday, the Bill have stunk. They lost 44-7 to the Dallas Cowboys on Sunday.

It was their third loss in four weeks. It was their third loss in four road games.

Quarterback Ryan Fitzpatrick threw three interceptions including one that was returned for a TD. Running back Fred Jackson also had a fumble that turned the ball over. The 37-point loss was the worst of the season, surpassing a 16-point loss only one week earlier.

So the Bills are not just going badly but getting worse.

That, of course, only matters if you adhere to the facts.

"Listen, I think Buffalo has been playing really well," Dolphins coach Tony Sparano said moments ago. "I don't think because of what happened yesterday, you can look at any of that. The bottom line is just looking at the game, I haven't watched it yet, but it appears to me that turnovers had an awful lot to do with it.

"It seemed like they had three or four turnovers in the game."

Yes, the Bills had four turnovers. That is playing poorly in my estimation. That is not playing really well.

Anyway, the Bills are beat up, having lost key contributors at WR, OLB and DL in recent weeks. The Dolphins are 2 1/2 point faves.

The Dolphins, winners of two straight, are also playing well -- except that the facts actually back up that stance.

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Mark T,

Carson Palmer cost the Raiders two #1 draft picks and he's never won a playoff game. Consider that when considering the possible asking price for Manning.

Peyton's been to two SB's and won 1. He would feel insulted if the Colts were looking for less in exchange for him than what the Bengals got for Palmer.

The bidding for Manning would start at no lower than two 1st rd'ers. Palmer was banged up too.

I'm sorry ALoco. But please continue posting. You're the best one out here.

..Mark in Toronto. I'm sure there will be plenty that would be scared of a move to aquire Peyton Manning. They would say that is unknown as to how he will play after injury. Was it the colts system that Manning understood the key to his success, and will that translate here. And of course, morgaging the future on a player that may have only 2-3 years of prime ability left should he be able to adapt to the system. All very good and valid questions.

But I agree..Do it. This franchise stinks. Give the team at least a window for opportunity. There is nothing to say that we cannot draft another quarterback in the interim to be groomed under Manning. Also, because we probably wouldn't have a first round pick for a year..possibly 2. We could actually draft a decent player in a later round(2-3) and groom him.. Possibly a player like Kellen Moore(lol) or Ricky Stanzi..

YG, get your facts straight. it wa a 1 and 2 for Palmer. It's only 2 ones if the Raiders make the AFC championship game. he won't.

2nd, the Dolphins pick of 10th overall (in my scanrio) would be much higher tahn the Raiders pick - like 20 something. The difference in value from the 10th pick to the 20 something is massive. (Judging by what Atlanta traded for moving up to Julio Jones massive).

So please, think things through before refuting posts.

wolfman1313,

The same way they are scoffing at Kellen Moore. What Moore and Dalton have most in common is they did nothing but win games with teams no one heard until they became the starting qb's of those team.

Almost any average college qb looks great playing for perrenial powerhouses. Then they get greatly exposed at the Nfl level.

DD, I agree, it's risky but we've had 30 years of safe #1 picks and nothing to show for it. If the option is there and we can't get Luck, Jones, or barkley, i would support that move 100 per cent. I'm not normally a guy who likes to give up picks but Peyton is special - very special. A complete game changer. he makes Miami relevant overnight.

YOU DRAFT A QB LIKE MOORE OR DALTON AND YOU START HIM RIGHT AWAY LIKE NEWTON OR ANDY DALTON ....

BIGGEST MISTAKE DOLPHINS DID ,IS NOT STARTING HENNE RIGHT AWAY ,INSTEAD THEY STARTED THE FRAUD CHAD.P///////////////////////

NO PAYTON ,PLEASE...HE WILL BE THE NEW INTERCEPTION MACHINE WITH HIS NECK ..................


WE DON'T NEED OLD PEOPLE LIKE OSCAR TO RUN OUR TEAM ...........

..The difference between Dalton an Moore is arm strength, size, and escapability. I cannot stress how small Kellen Moore looks in person. He does not pass the eyeball test of a first round quarterback. I may end up being wrong..no big deal these are all opinions in the end. But no way in the world is Kellen Moore drafted in the first round.

Lets draft a QB in every round and let them compete.

Mark T,

You're right, I stand corrected. That's only because the Raiders dont look to be a shoe in to get the afc championship game right now.

But have you looked to see who's 1st place in the Afc West? (Raiders 5-4 1 game over San Diego)

Chargers playing bad, Chiefs stole the division over them last season. Raiders could do it this one. The Raiders have talent and if Palmer gets on a role anything can happen.

So dont discount the Raiders making the afc championship game just yet. Especially since it looks they could win thier division. Im sure the Bengals are betting on them right now.

Mark, hate to say it but none of us are getting any younger and a couple relevant years with Manning would be better than nothing.

Just to throw it out there I heard one of the ESPN talking heads this morning say that Manning is due a huge bonus in April, $20+ million, and speculate Indy could consider cutting him prior if they were guaranteed Luck would be in the fold. Doubt it but they said it not me.

DD,

I know I keep sounding like a scratched record and so do you. But the most important stat about Kellen Moore is he just continues to win baby.

He maybe small, but he's guided a school most of never heard of until his arrival to national prominence and recognition year after year.

Before Moore got to Boise St the only thing they were famous for was losing games by 30 points or more. Its not like Moore's winning because he attended one of the glory universities. He's doing this at Boise St man.

Keep saying Boise St while looking back to the way they used to be before Moore's arrival. Then maybe slowly you'll begin to understand.

Saying Kellen Moore cant be a great Nfl qb because he's a little small. Is like looking at Pistol Pete Marovich back during college and saying he couldnt be a successful nba player because he was white.

It's like saying Larry Bird wouldnt be great because he was slow and white. Should I go on?

yg, do you have any life exeprience yet or just coming out of the test tube?

kellen moore? hahahaha, puhlease. send him to the boy scout league.

If we were going to draft an undersized QB I'd rather go with Russell Wilson. He's a better athlete than Moore, has also been a winner, and plays against big physical defenses week in and week out.

Don't believe my owner. He doesn't feed me. He sticks needles in my eye, that's why I can't open it. The pain is too much to bare. Someone save me. I'm trapped, like Nemo. Only difference is, I'm reptilian.

Does that mean he's trying to get an acting job or some other similar "role?"

It's ROLL you Neanderthal.

Posted by: seattle stew | November 15, 2011 at 12:58 PM


Seattle Stew, neanderthal? You've really hurt my feelings with your choice of words.

....And dont expect to see me at the pancake social tomorrow morning!

Yg...Are you kidding me. Remember Jarrod Zabranski? There was another qb in there before Moore as well. Boise has been a juggernaught since joining the FBS from the Big Sky conference. Moore is all time great in college. I'm not taking that away from him. But To say he is the savior of Boise State Football is a joke. I have had to watch this team for 20 plus years. They were a rival of my beloved Grizzlies, they have been incredible since moving up.. This is not a Kellen Moore arrived to change the culture deal there.

DD,

I know I keep sounding like a scratched record
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You can say that again (and probably will).

Posted by: Hate To Be Rude, But Godalmighty Are You Boring | November 15, 2011 at 12:55 PM

Don't believe my owner. He doesn't feed me. He sticks needles in my eye, that's why I can't open it. The pain is too much to bare. Someone save me. I'm trapped, like Nemo. Only difference is, I'm reptilian.


Posted by: Aloco's Abused Iguana | November 15, 2011 at 12:59 PM

LMAO! Two best posts of the day!!!

Chris, don't see peyton getting cut unless he can't recover. He's got tremendous trade value.

DD,

Jarrod Zabranski? See what Im talking about. No one in the country have ever heard of anyone that played for Boise St before Kellen Moore, except you people that live in that region.

Now everyone in America knows who Boise St and Kellen Moore is. Im still scratching my head over who the hell Zabranski is. He's probably been forgotten now by even whoever his hc was.

I say the 'Fins still trade up for a QB in the first round..

I haven't heard this said a lot, but the worst case if they trade up and draft a QB, and Moore turns out to be really good himself. Now we have a situation where we can trade a QB to help in other areas of the game. I think the O-line is maturing; I noticed that Moore wasn't pressured as much... still need help in the Secondary, so if we're blessed with 2 quality QB's, I think that's where we need to focus.

Has Anyone besides Darryl Dunphy ever hear of a Boise St qb named Jarrod Zabranski?

Who was the last elite "franchise" QB under 6'....anyone, anyone, anyone....(crickets...

Actually, Sonny Jurgensen is the only one I can come up with. He was 5'11" and 202. Inducted into the Hall in '83 with 255 TDs, 189 INTs, 32,224 yards, and an overall passer rating of 82.6.

Sonny played for 18 years in the league starting in 1957 with the Eagles and later the Redskins, retiring in 1973.

So could it happen? I suppose it could, but I'm not holding my breath on a Kellen Moore. Also, Sonny, despite his stature had a solid NFL calibre arm and was quite mobile. My biggest thing with Moore is his lack of mobility as much as anything. I also have issues in that he can rarely complete a pass outside (as in outside the hashes).

Yg, zabransky beat Oklahoma in the fiesta bowl. Nobody anywhere has forgot that game. Still Boise's watershed moment.

We have two competent QB's already. Why waste a pick on a gamble?

Mark T,

If currently asked, Im sure 95% of those Oklahoma players couldnt tell you the name of that qb that beat them. I guess it was Zabranski's 15 minutes of fame its said we all have.

I say if we get Luck, Barkley or maybe RGIII (if he comes out) in the first round, we still in the 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th or 7th draft two more QB's like maybe Nick Foles( who actually maybe be a option in the 1st come draft time, I mean look at his numbers, he has performed well against top schools in his career like stanford, USC, Oregon..), then also grab maybe Case Keenum (who also when has had the chance played well against big schools (-)Alabama game his freshman season) or Ryan Tannehill(lot of upside) as longshots... Then we'll have atleat three QB's to choose from, odds are one of them will be good... Will also have 2nd and possible 3rd string lined up, and potential trade options down the road like what the Falcons did with Schaub, Eagles and Kobb, Patriots and Cassel.... I might even consider picking a QB in all the rounds... Not like are drafts have been great in the past Decade anyways... FYI.. Except the 2nd round, we all know how our 2nd round QB selections have been.... That round is off limits, a sure bust....

Red,

I have a better idea. Lets just fling doodoo against the wall and see what sticks.

I look like doo-doo and smell like doo-doo. But............

"has anyone besides DD heard of Jarrod Z"....

yes, in 2004 he led Bosie to an 11-1 record with the only loss coming to Louiville. He was named team MVP.

In 2006 he and Bosie went undefeated (12-0) and leading Bosie to their 5th consecutive WAC championship. He finished with 23 TD to 7 INTs.

He led Boise to the overtime win against OK Sooners in the Fiesta Bowl that season and was named Offensive Player of the game.

He played briefly in the NFL for the Texans and later played in Canada.

As an interesting factoid, he also graced the cover of NCAA Football 2008 (EA sports video game).

?


Red,

I have a better idea. Lets just fling doodoo against the wall and see what sticks.

Posted by: yesterday's gone | November 15, 2011 at 01:22 PM

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LOL!


How are you going to make a WHOLE post about MANLY MEN....and call others PUZZIES.....and.....wait for it.....wait for it....

NOT SIGN YOUR DAM NAME TO IT........HOW IN THE EFF DO YOU DO THAT......Who is really the puzze.....

I ask you ODIN...who?????

Posted by: kris | November 15, 2011 at 07:51 AM
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Um...............ah..............damn..........

Well.............ah..............I um.........

Ok...............but ah.......................

Alright, alright............how about this:

NOT ME?????
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Kris, to be honest, I hadn't thought of it like that. You DO have a POINT there-LOL ;)
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I'll only speak for myself on this one. What I liked about the post was the "Anti-Suck For Luck" sentiments. I believe we have to "Play to win the game" and lets the chips fall where they may.

As far as the name calling and all that, as Coach Tony would say: "Yeah, um well, you know, I'm not going to get, ah into, ah, all those, you knows things and types of stuff and what not you know.................LOL ;)

Has Anyone besides Darryl Dunphy ever hear of a Boise St qb named Jarrod Zabranski?

Posted by: yesterday's gone


Nope. Never heard of him. Sorry!

Best post all year Slasher - I'm sick and tired of the morons who call themselves fans and then root for their team to lose. They're the real losers,

yesterday's gone,
It seems that's what the Fins have been doing, I'm just upping the Ante, best case ones atleast good maybe more, worse case they all Suck, and will go down as the worst draft class ever.... can't do any worse then the Saints trading everything for Run Ricky Run...

Kris,

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***********MORE IMPORTANTLY************
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For the FIRST TIME in my life, I got a BUCK on OPENING DAY!!!!

I got a NICE 6 point(small rack, but beautiful common).

It's being rendered as we speak!!!!

The Dolphins are a team who can "lose" it at any minute. Marshall can have a hang nail, and go into a Diva fit, or Colombo decides not to block or Dansby decides not to be the best LB in the neighborhood. The "jury is still out", applys. Two and a half points is less then a field goal and heaven knows the Dolphins like to stop playing around the 10 min mark of the 4th qt. Dont wager this game. This game can go either way and if history is our guide then the Bills will pull this one out in the 4th. I have no faith in the Dolphin defense, and Sparano should give Davis a breathalyzer just before kick off.

I still mantain my position that, except for a few posters here, the rest of you, and it has nothing to do with getting Andrew Luck or high picks in the Draft, want the Dolphins to lose.

The Dolphins do not have a 4th round pick in 2012. They traded it away when the acquired Reggie Bush.

Interestingly enough, Dolphin fans have reason to be happy:

http://deadspin.com/5859166/

the key to making miami's offense competitive with teams other then washington, and kansas city(you know, high scoring teams) is to establish CLAY as a REAL threat opposite marshall. drop the ball hartline is not the answer, he is NOT consistant enough, he should only be thrown to when playing with a lead and NOT on a critical drive, he can NOT be counted on, nor should he be. bess is NOT the answer, yes, he is a good option if used as the third target in moore's read progression, but he is NOT a REAL threat. fasano is more finesse, and bush is well.. bush. and so if miami wants to take that next step, without taking two steps back the following week, charles clay is the answer. when antonio gates does NOT get his targets the chargers suffer a lower scoring game. miami threw to clay only once against washington and our point total was considerably less then against KC, where CLAY was targeted multiple times and all of a sudden fasano is wide open and coincidentally has his best game ever as a dolphin. yes, CLAY seems reliable and consistant enough and has good hands, he is a bigger target then marshall, and can do more after the catch then any reciever on our roster. think of watching a game where they keep feeding the big guy, he looks unstoppable, as a fan your hoping they DON'T throw it to him AGAIN, as the defensive back you are under immense pressure, miami needs to give it's opponants a taste of it's own medicine, throw to the big guy(clay), and then throw to him some more! it worked in kansas city and it will work again, it will also establish miami as having more then one REAL threat in the passing game and validate sparano's eye for talent and his decision for drafting him. MAKE CLAY miami's other FAVORITE TARGET......

I still mantain my position that, except for a few posters here, the rest of you, and it has nothing to do with getting Andrew Luck or high picks in the Draft, want the Dolphins to lose.

Posted by: oscar canosa | November 15, 2011 at 02:04 PM

1stly, who cares?
2ndly, are you naive??
3rdly, can you be more redundant?

The majoity of fans here accept the fact that the season is lost & they're going to continue to lose anyway. They don't care what you think. Sorry to break it to you.

In this case, losing has it's perks. Some want to lose for the betterment of the franchise. More losses equals better draft picks.

You see, in the REAL WORLD, thats fact & so are these:

Winning more games won't save Sparano
Might not save Ireland
Won't change Ross's mind.
Won't make the majority of fans feel better
It will weaken our position in the draft

In reality, high draft picks are more important than the rare win Miami miracuously gives you once a month.

So, if you look at it that way, losing is in the best interests of the franchise, not winning.

I'm not on the "I want my team to lose" bandwagon, but, are you really that oblivious that you can't understand it?

Sorry to tell you but, your posts have been atoricous today.

Im all in on watching Moore progress. I mean realy how much has he played in his career? now he has a legit chance at a nearly a full season as a starter. who knowes what he can do? Im not on the Moore is our franchise QB bandwagon, but starnger things have happened in the game of football. As I have said before, Griese was NO Marino,Montana,or Rodgers, he was a GOOD QB, but was surrounded by a great TEAM..Im watching to see how this all plays out, and NO Im still not wishing my team to loose, I want to se some as$ kicking the rest of the season.. GO FINS!!!!!

MANDO,


So would you rather stink at 5-4 or play well at 2-7........CMON MAN!!!!

But, Joe, the fact that you consider the Season lost(which probably is) is not the reason either why you want the Dolphins to lose. You are angry.

So would you rather stink at 5-4 or play well at 2-7........CMON MAN!!!!

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That would kind of depend on which direction the team is going. Miami seems to be moving forward, as Buffalo seems to be sinking like an anchor. I would take the 2-7 moving forward myself.

My biggest fear is we dont have a good enough personnel department to even make a quality draft pick, not to mention a QB..... I mean lets back track... I mean Parcells took Long(quality pick) but could of had Matt Ryan, but thought at the time Henne was the best QB in Draft, we all know different including Billie boy now... We took Pat white who more of a RB, when we could of had Lesean Mccoy, Mike Wallace... but we get Pat and Pat Turner.. We take Ted ginn and John beck, when wen we could of got a TE like Greg Olson or Zach Miller... we Draft Ronnie (Injury prone) Brown, when we could of traded down and got some CAL kid by the name of Rogers and picked up gore in the 2nd or 3rd round... We passed on Drew Brees the 2nd time (the first is coming) when we determined Culpepper was the better option. We passed on Brees the first time (who was taken with the 1st of of the 2nd round) when we took Jamar Fletcher in the first (like we needed another CB, when we had the best tandom in NFL at the time) and the reason was Whinstadt didnt think Brees was any better then our current QB fielder... Then whinstadt again in 2000, our first year without Dan (the Greatest) Marino, and Fielder are newly aquired ex back up QB, pass on QB's the whole draft... Important because in the Famous 6th round with 167 we pick Ernest Grant DT(WHO?) while with 168 Bulger is picked and at 199(do i really need to say who is drafted) Tom Brady...
It would not suprise me one bit if even with the first pick we Draft someone other then Luck or even Barkley, and take like Jones, Weeden, Cousins, Wilson, and hear well they were the best rated on our draft board... or even worse Draft a OT, CB or some junk.....


In this case, losing has it's perks.

-Yeah, if you're a loser-PERIOD! OMG!

Some want to lose for the betterment of the franchise.

-I REPEAT, losing is for LOSERS! Spin it anyway you like, when you lose OR HOPE to lose, you are, BY DEFINITION: A BIG LOSER!


More losses equals better draft picks.

-Great strategy there(in the mind of a LOSER). Seeing how most GM's hit or miss about 50/50, losing for a mere slot or two of draft position is inanely ignorant(yes, INANE, look it up) to say the least. The ONE, most important fact you can't escape, LOSING is for LOSERS!!!!

You see, in the REAL WORLD, thats fact & so are these:

Winning more games won't save Sparano
Might not save Ireland
Won't change Ross's mind.
Won't make the majority of fans feel better
It will weaken our position in the draft

-Yeah and EVERYBODY knows the draft is a crap shoot, so lets make things worse and embarrass the entire franchise EVEN MORE, ALL IN THE NAME OF LOSING. YOU SEE, in the REAL WORLD, LOSING IS FOR LOSERS(of course, obviously you know this all too well judging by your loser mentality).

In reality, high draft picks are more important than the rare win Miami miracuously gives you once a month.

-Says YOU! In the reality of a LOSER(moving up one or two slots in a crap shoot-YEEHAAAAAW!

So, if you look at it that way, losing is in the best interests of the franchise, not winning.

-Plain and Simple(and in all REAL reality)losing is in the best interest of a LOSER! Spin it and twist baby, you can't escape this FACT!

I'm not on the "I want my team to lose" bandwagon,

-Uh........then what the FVCK are you babbling about then? It sure LOOKS like you are. Wow! You actually mention "REALITY" in this post-ROTFLMFAO!

but, are you really that oblivious that you can't understand it?

-I understand, your delusional, in denial and a LOSER to BOOT! NICE!

Posted by: Joe Schmoe | November 15, 2011 at 02:39 PM


Just curious, anyone say anything in the last few months that hasn't been said 4 zillion times already?

You are like women discussing nail polish.

Red,
The fear could be reality. If Ross decides to keep Ireland. it is possible we do not draft a 1st round QB. As it has been mentioned before, our current GM does not like to draft QB's, rather aquire QB's via trade,FA. That in it self is a problem. Rarely do you get a star QB, via trade or FA. Not to say it does not happen. But it is rare. Unless Ross were to flex some muscle during the draft, the probability with Ireland can only justify your fear.

Speaking of Nail Polish..............

I had a smoking Hot little Blondie do my nails in "Black Crackle" last night.

Of course I was three sheets in the wind, but hey, it was WORTH IT!

Oscar, I want my team to lose because I'm angry? After I told you I could care less if they win or lose?

Gotchya old timer!!

If you were three sheets to the wind your hottie may have been a Camel.

In Anger Management 101, it is taught to channel your anger towards constructive, and not destructive, purposes. Courtesy, OCanosa, MD.

playoffs?

LOL @ L'Oreal

He had much fun riding between my humps.

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