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Plagued by 'moving parts,' coaches continue to nurture moving parts in the secondary

First there was the offensive line that was constantly being tweaked. The Dolphinscoaching staff eventually learned that searching for the great combination often times sacrificed good combinations and when that search failed, you got neither great nor good.

Well, we're seeing a little of that with the Dolphins secondary right now.

Yesterday, Dolphins coach Tony Sparano explained that one of the problems the secondary has had this year -- aside from Tom Brady throwing for a jillion yards in the regular-season opener -- was all the "moving parts" the team has had to shuffle back there.

Vontae Davis wasn't healthy so the team had to use Nolan Carroll, until he wasn't healthy and then came rookie Jimmy Wilson. Chris Clemons was back there and then the team went with Reshad Jones until he got hurt and then they had to try Tryone Culver because neither Jones nor Clemons was healthy. Benny Sapp was good enough to be on the team and have his salary guaranteed for the season while Will Allen wasn't good enough because he was injured (again) and couldn't be counted on -- until the day after the first game on which the Dolphins cut Sapp and re-signed Allen to replace him as the nickel cornerback.

A lot of moving parts. It's not a good thing in the secondary.

"I think with the amount of moving parts, Vontae (Davis) hasn’t been in there at times just like you said, Reshad (Jones) hasn’t been there at times, (Tyrone) Culver is in there, Jimmy Wilson is in there occasionally, might be Nolan (Carroll)," Sparano said. "So with the amount of moving parts I think they’ve done a pretty good job back there of weathering the storm. And now we’ve finally gotten guys healthy and I’m seeing them get better and better. The communication is just really improved tremendously and that’s just young players starting to become veteran players. That’s really what that is from Jimmy Wilson all the way up to Ty Culver."

Sounds logical, right?

Fewer moving parts, fewer chances for screwups. Fewer moving parts, more consistency.

Hey, I get it.

Except ...

Why are the Dolphins continuing to nurture more moving parts?

At a time when Reshad Jones is healthy again -- he hasn't been on the injury report in nearly three weeks -- the team has not returned him to the starting job. Tyrone Culver, whom I thought did a good job solidifying the free safety spot when it was given to him in the face of other injuries, has started and done well.

But the Dolphins apparently really, really like Jones. And so Jones has, for the past couple of games, been platooned into the game while Culver has come out.

A team that has bemoaned moving parts in the secondary as one reason for struggles earlier this season, has continued to allow moving parts at free safety.

Coaches obviously want Jones to play and be good enough to win the job outright because he is more a long-term answer at the position than Culver. But coaches also have wanted to stay with Culver because, again, he's doing a good job that does not merit a return to the bench and mostly special teams and some dime package duties.

So coaches are going with the old have the cake and eat it too approach. Both Jones and Culver are playing -- switching in and out at different times in the game.

Moving parts!

Cracks me up.

In a perfect, well-aligned world either Jones retakes the job outright or simply doesn't show enough to do so. (I believe Jones takes the job back and probably fairly soon, maybe even this week against Buffalo or next versus Dallas). But if not, how long do the Dolphins allow themselves to play both, risking a costly miscommunication, by playing two players at a position that requires only one?

I don't understand this need to experiment during games when stakes are so high with arguably the most important position in the secondary.

Why not share the spot in practice and make the decisions to play one or the other player based on what happens in practice rather play both in games? Why does the coaching staff gamble everything in the game to see who plays better instead of making a decision based on practice play?

Now, one can argue that both Culver and Jones are playing well enough to deserve playing time. That's fair. Play both then.

But then don't bemoan having moving parts.

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Also think Odrick detractors forget he also had a pick 6 this season to add to his 2011-12 numbers.

Posted by: yesterday's gone | November 17, 2011 at 12:34 PM

Ummm, no he didn't. He caught an int gifted to him by Benny Sapp. It wasn't a TD.

You know it's getting really desperate when people are trying to credit him with TD's he doesn't have and int's he had no impact in creating.


he has a pick 6 this season too.

WTH are some of you thinking?

Posted by: yesterday's gone | November 17, 2011 at 12:39 PM


Continuing to say it doesn't make it true.

He doesn't have a pick 6 YG, he has an interception. But yes, if he turns out to be a 8-10 sack a year guy then it is a worthwhile pick. If not - waste.

Mark T,

As DD posted this is Odrick's rookie season. Should he post 7-8 qb sacks his 1st season of play, I dont know what planet you guys are from, but that's an impact player imo.

Geesh, as a 3-4 DE, in first season of play he posts 7-8 sacks and a pick 6. You guys dont call that impact?

...YG. You probably remember the some of the debate after the draft. Especially the the topic of the players we drafted. You are right about Gates and his route running in college compaired to the NFL. I argued this point with Odinseye a few times. He may end up being right in the end. But for this year. I think my point has shown to be on the money.

If you go back and look at any You-Tube highlight stuff of Clyde Gates. What you saw was a guy that was clearly the best, and fastest player on the field. He was never touched of the line by a corner back in one of those plays..not once. The corner backs were always off of him 8-9 yards. Now, I realize that this was a highlight reel so it showed only his good plays. And the Phins had actual game tape to evaluate the plays that the average person isn't privy to. But it stuck me as a real problem that Gates would face.The physicality, and route running that was void in those highlight videos.

Joe Shmoe,

I respect your opinions here, but, continuing to say Odrick doesnt have a "true" pick 6 wont erase it from the NFL stat books. You guys are a very tough audience today.

If all the QB`s declare for the draft and by some chance we finnish at say 5-11 with the 5th or 6th overall selection then we should draft Matt Barkley and if by some chance the Colts can pull out a game something possible if Manning plays some dress rehersals for 2012 (which if you saw his locker room interview is something he wants to do) then trade the Rams who hands down have the weakest schedule in all of this and take Luck with the 1st pick. I don`t advocate trading picks past our next draft but would consider my 1st, 2nd and 5th to move into the slot.

The Jets in contrast gave up there 1st, 3rd, 5th and 7th for Sancheez who isn`t half the talent Luck is. You could then address T.E. and maybe R.T. Rds. 3-4 or how about taking two T.E.`S sounds like a plan. Look people we aren`t the Jets of 09 which were an old vet heavy team. The Dolphins are young enough to do this with one draft and see what other Coaches can do with some of these very young and raw players before Sparano cuts the next Walden.

Our Cap is to high to bring in decent stop gap players and vets, no problem. Give Soliai his longterm deal and bring down his 11.7 Mil cap # make it incentive heavy and only guarantee the 1st two years while prorating the signing bonus. Plug R.Jones in at S.S. were his size and over agressive nature work in his favor, if you want to talk about moving pieces because at F.S. due to his agressive over-persuing style he`s been bad but at S.S.???? Cutting Y.Bell`s 5.5 off the books as well whose a monster liability in pass coverege but always seems to get a pass and so on. Some of you may disagree with my thinking but at this point at least I have a plan and want to get pro-active while our brilliant F.O. looks for the next acorn to sell us all while telling us OL or DL was the way to go after all, you may laugh at the notion but nothing would suprise me with Ireland anymore

YG, that's exactly the point, 7-8 sacks as a 3-4 DE. The point is pick a 3-4 DE was not a good choice to begin with. To make that pick worth it, he will have to be an EXCEPTIONAL pass rusher period - not an exceptional pass rusher for a 3-4 DE. because in taking Odrick, they passed over such guys as Dez Bryant, Earl Thomas, and Jason Pierre Paul - all who would fit a need for this team and would have a far greater impact in helping the Dolphins win.

We are not criticizing Odrick as a player or as a man. He appears to be a good player and good teammate from what we can see.

What we are criticizing is Ireland's approach in being out of touch with today's NFL and not addressing the positions that help a team win most.

Like I said - as a full timer, 8 sacks minimum and create havoc in the backfield to make it worth it. He has to be a good pass rusher period. Not just a good pass rusher for his position.

And don't even use the hindsight approach when discussin those three players I mentioned. They were all high profile players and discussed at nauseum in this blog. So if we knew about them then the guy collecting a million dollar paycheck should've known about them too.

DD,

Gates was a 5th rd pick and guys are ready to declare him bust. Geesh, at least give the guy a year to develop his route running.

Speaking of highlight videos, I saw not one suggesting he would be a kickoff returner in the Nfl. That's on the coaching staff for using him that way, not Gates. He wasnt a kickoff returner in college.

fin4life,
5-11 won't get anywhere near Barkley. He's a top 5 pick period. Maybe #2. 5-11 nets you the 4th best Qb, or 5th. There's several teams that will have a worse record that seriously need a QB. Indy, Seattle, Washington off the top of my head. 5-11 and we're looking at Griffin, Weedon Foles, Cousins. Not sure how the combine will shape the list. But Luck, Barkley, and Jones will be gone. Weedone, would be a home-run except for that pesky age (28).

FYI, folks who think we're winning more games this year. We've beaten two bad teams. One on the seriously slide downward, and one that simply sucks. Both worse at QB than we are. When we beat a good team this year I'll change my prediction, and own my failure. Until then, I figured on 1-2 wins this year total. So far par.

Odrick didn't make it all the way to the end zone with the int. Schmoe is a bit harsh to nit-pick that the int. was "gifted". Aren't all ints. gifted?

Joe you're an idiot.

Go Away!!!!!

Joe Shmoe,

I respect your opinions here, but, continuing to say Odrick doesnt have a "true" pick 6 wont erase it from the NFL stat books. You guys are a very tough audience today.

Posted by: yesterday's gone | November 17, 2011 at 12:45 PM

Im not trying to be difficult. I'm just keeping it real. I don't know what stat books you have but, he doesn't have a pick 6.
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Mark in To at 12:49, exacltly. This isn't about Odrick the player, it's about Irelands philosophy. Nothing more, nothing less. I think we've made that case pretty understandable.

And the hindsight thing is also valid. I was completely sold on Earl Tomas & E. Berry but he was drafted 5th I think. Would have been happy with Dez also but understood after trading for Marshall, it wouldn't happen.

Odrick's a nice player, no question. He just won't have the impact some of the other guys we passed on will. Again, this is about Ireland's Big & safe approach, not Odrick.

Mark T,

Your argument is very valid. We traded all the way down to the backend of the 1st rd to gain a 2nd rd pick. That 2nd rd pick was Misi. The fo rolled the dice hoping to hit the jackpot on a 2 for 1.

First there was the Ireland/Dez pre-draft incident. Then making matters worse Odrick went down for the season game 1. Misi was decent but far from spectacular in season 1.

Until Odrick or Misi become pro bowl players, giving up two 2nd rd picks for Marshall when we could have just drafted Dez will always be questioned.

Repent and turn to Jesus/Messiah to be saved from the soon to come wrath of Father/G-d !

Joe Shmoe,

Ok, youre right, but its still a pick.

...Go back and put yourself in the shoes of this team draft day 2011. We had the 12th pick in the draft. Had signed free agents Marshall, and Dansby. Our defense in 2010 was putrid, especially against the run. On offense. We ALL BELIEVED we were 1 playmaker away from being a contender. So come draft day we trade away 12 for 28 and get a second rounder.. If you want to say that was the mistake fine. But of the Players taken that year from 12 to 32(players we could have drafted) There maybe 3-4 that we would have considered that you could argue are better picks then Odrick..and this is all in hindsight. Earl Thomas. Mike Iupati, Devin McCourtey, and Gresham. If I missed one feel free.

I left off Dez Bryant for a reason. No way, no matter your feelings about him. Were the Phins taking a WR in that draft. Not after signing Marshall. There were to many holes on the defense to justify drafting a WR in the first round

Odrick didn't make it all the way to the end zone with the int. Schmoe is a bit harsh to nit-pick that the int. was "gifted". Aren't all ints. gifted?

Posted by: Betty Crocker | November 17, 2011 at 12:56 PM

No, they aren't. You see Db's make great plays on the ball & get int's all the time. You just don't see us making them often.

Wasn't Wilsons against Cleveland, that was an overthrow not even being thrown to his guy. Wasn't Davis last week when Hankerson fell down. Our Db's are never even in position to get a penalty let alone make an int.

Dansby's int last week was the only one this year where a Miami player used his god given abilities & skill to get a pick. The others have been "gifted".

That's not being harsh, that's telling it like it is.

Yeah, I don't know what's so hard to see about Ireland's flawed philosophy. In the past 2 years, of the 4 guys we drafted in the top 2 rounds - only Koa Misi plays a position that will have a great impact on the outcome of a game but he as a talent showed nothing in college to make me feel good about the pick.

A centre, a running back, a 3-4 DE all have minimal impacts in today's game. These are some of the most lowest valued positions in the game.

@ 1:05...Sorry messed up the time line for the drafts. I meant the draft of 2010, and our run D of 2009...Sorry if that was confusing.

TRADE UP FOR LUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Darryl, imagine Jason Pierre Paul playing opposite Wake in that defense?

And it is not hindsight. Staying pat would've been the better move and Dallas picked Dez when they already had Miles so why couldn't we? Trading down was a mistake because you could see that the pass rushers available that late had no value. Maybe jerry hughes but he ended being a bust anyway.

Point is this regime was lost and is still lost by looking at last year's draft.

Why does everyone think a top 3 draft pick QB is going to get us to the playoffs next year...
I will tell you right now the chances of the dolphins making the playoffs next year with a rookie QB is like 1 in million... Rookie QB's just don't make the playoffs, unless they play on outstanding football teams that make it to the playoffs inspite of them. Hell the pats won there first superbowl inspite of Tom Brady, MVP or not he sucked in that superbowl... 145 yards passing & 1 Td. 0 ints. wow that's freakin amazing, way to set the record books on fire Tom... Trent Dilfer put better numbers up in 2001 153 yards & 1 Td. 0 ints & he didn't get a MVP...lol... We need to draft a QB early & maybe even one later in the draft... but they will have no effect on us making the playoffs next year, unless they start & if they do we probably won't make, were not that good to win inspite our QB...

DD,

At the time, the whole premise for drafting Odrick was to move Starks to NT and Odrick to Starks DE spot. Then all of a sudden last year, Odrick went down game 1, Solia blossomed, then more salt to the wound was having to franchise Solia.

The real mess of the matter was this fo and coaching staff hugely miscalculating Solia.

Canada Phil,

Most here arent thinking getting a top 3 qb to make next years playoffs. We're thinking about the face of this franchise for the next 10-15yrs buddy.

TRADE UP FOR LUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Hennes Momma |

Shut up B!tch & go make me a pot pie!

DD.............. DID YOU SAY ODRICK IS A ROOKIE ?

ODRICK CONTRACT ............ 14 MILLION 3 YEARS...8 GUARANTEED ...........................


BUFFET OF KNOWLEDGE ..............

We all knew Randy Starks was no NT. You have to be one fat SOB to play NT in the league.

Anybody notice ever since Starks played NT for that one seasons he's never been the same?
Remember he made it to the Pro Bowl one season, he took a beating playing NT.

Just another f up Sparano or Ireland thought of.

DD,

At the time, the whole premise for drafting Odrick was to move Starks to NT and Odrick to Starks DE spot. Then all of a sudden last year, Odrick went down game 1, Solia blossomed, then more salt to the wound was having to franchise Solia.

Posted by: yesterday's gone | November 17, 2011 at 01:12 PM

But, what makes the pick all the worse is the fact that we didn't NEED Odrick. We still had Merling, Langford & McDaniel to play the DE spot. We could have still drafted a DE later potentially. Just like we did with Langord in the 3rd.

The value for Odrick in the 1st round simply was not there. Doesn't mean he isn't a good enough player. He just wasn't value.

ALoco,

Shut up b!tch and go make a pot pie.

BUFFET OF KNOWLEDGE THAT!

DID ANY ONE KNOWS IF DYING BREED IS PAYING HIS STUDIO RENT OF 36 DOLLARS A MONTH ?

Bean pie anyone?

Joe Shmoe,

I fully agree with your 1:20 PM post. However, If Odrick can become a consistent 8-10 sack guy, he can qualify as dominant and really increase his value to this team.

We need a pass rusher to step up to alieve the pressure on the lone dominant pass rusher Wake. Not sure Misi will ever be that.

ALoco,

DO YOU HAVE $36 YOU CAN LEND FOR NEXT MONTH'S RENT?

JOE/YESTERDAY GONE............. I NOTICE THERE'S TOO MANY IF'S IN YOUR LAST FEW POSTS...

IF THIS AND IF THAT ,WE WOULD WIN THE SUPERBOWL .............

I DON'T LEND MONEY .I GIVE .

Agreed YG, but I have a funny feeling this team will not be a 3-4 next year. We don't have any natural 3-4 NT, but we have 3 natural 4-3 DT's(Odrick, Starks, Soliai)

If they can use Wake like JT, undersized DE, the 4-3 may be better for this team.

ALOCO,

DO YOU THINK IT WOULD BE COOL WITH YOUR MOM IF I MOVED INTO THE THE STUDIO BASEMENT APT WITH YOU?

I PROMISE WE CAN SPLIT THE $36 A MONTH RENT.

Final standings will have :

Indy 0 wins taking Luck
Carolina 3 wins.. No QB needed
5 teams with 4 wins including Miami, Washington,Jaxonville,Cleveland and Minnisota.With luck we`ll pick third.3 of these teams have QB needs,the other 2 took QB`s last year.
Hopefully we get to draft third out of this mess. If not we`ll have to trade up. Carolina are in the Catbirds seat this year.

JOE,

PLEASE STOP USING IF IN YOUR POSTS..........YOU USED IF SO MANY TIMES IN THE LAST FEW YEARS AND SEE THAT BROUGHT US ?


THE CELLAR .................

ALoco, I thought you went to work?

I HEAR DB KICKED CUBAN OUT OF HIS STUDIO AND THE REASON WAS , THE CUBAN WON'T WASH DB'S UNDERPANTS ...................

MARK,,,, THAT POST ABOUT WORK WAS FAKE,I THOUGHT YOU WOULD KNOW .


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Plagued by 'moving parts,' coaches continue to nurture moving parts in the secondary
First there was the offensive line that was constantly being tweaked. The Dolphinscoaching staff eventually learned that searching for the great combination often times sacrificed good combinations and when that search failed, you got neither great nor good.

Well, we're seeing a little of that with the Dolphins secondary right now.

Yesterday, Dolphins coach Tony Sparano explained that one of the problems the secondary has had this year -- aside from Tom Brady throwing for a jillion yards in the regular-season opener -- was all the "moving parts" the team has had to shuffle back there.

Vontae Davis wasn't healthy so the team had to use Nolan Carroll, until he wasn't healthy and then came rookie Jimmy Wilson. Chris Clemons was back there and then the team went with Reshad Jones until he got hurt and then they had to try Tryone Culver because neither Jones nor Clemons was healthy. Benny Sapp was good enough to be on the team and have his salary guaranteed for the season while Will Allen wasn't good enough because he was injured (again) and couldn't be counted on -- until the day after the first game on which the Dolphins cut Sapp and re-signed Allen to replace him as the nickel cornerback.

A lot of moving parts. It's not a good thing in the secondary.

"I think with the amount of moving parts, Vontae (Davis) hasn’t been in there at times just like you said, Reshad (Jones) hasn’t been there at times, (Tyrone) Culver is in there, Jimmy Wilson is in there occasionally, might be Nolan (Carroll)," Sparano said. "So with the amount of moving parts I think they’ve done a pretty good job back there of weathering the storm. And now we’ve finally gotten guys healthy and I’m seeing them get better and better. The communication is just really improved tremendously and that’s just young players starting to become veteran players. That’s really what that is from Jimmy Wilson all the way up to Ty Culver."

Sounds logical, right?

Fewer moving parts, fewer chances for screwups. Fewer moving parts, more consistency.

Hey, I get it.

Except ...

Why are the Dolphins continuing to nurture more moving parts?

At a time when Reshad Jones is healthy again -- he hasn't been on the injury report in nearly three weeks -- the team has not returned him to the starting job. Tyrone Culver, whom I thought did a good job solidifying the free safety spot when it was given to him in the face of other injuries, has started and done well.

But the Dolphins apparently really, really like Jones. And so Jones has, for the past couple of games, been platooned into the game while Culver has come out.

A team that has bemoaned moving parts in the secondary as one reason for struggles earlier this season, has continued to allow moving parts at free safety.

Coaches obviously want Jones to play and be good enough to win the job outright because he is more a long-term answer at the position than Culver. But coaches also have wanted to stay with Culver because, again, he's doing a good job that does not merit a return to the bench and mostly special teams and some dime package duties.

So coaches are going with the old have the cake and eat it too approach. Both Jones and Culver are playing -- switching in and out at different times in the game.

Moving parts!

Cracks me up.

In a perfect, well-aligned world either Jones retakes the job outright or simply doesn't show enough to do so. (I believe Jones takes the job back and probably fairly soon, maybe even this week against Buffalo or next versus Dallas). But if not, how long do the Dolphins allow themselves to play both, risking a costly miscommunication, by playing two players at a position that requires only one?

I don't understand this need to experiment during games when stakes are so high with arguably the most important position in the secondary.

Why not share the spot in practice and make the decisions to play one or the other player based on what happens in practice rather play both in games? Why does the coaching staff gamble everything in the game to see who plays better instead of making a decision based on practice play?

Now, one can argue that both Culver and Jones are playing well enough to deserve playing time. That's fair. Play both then.

But then don't bemoan having moving parts.

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Also think Odrick detractors forget he also had a pick 6 this season to add to his 2011-12 numbers.

Posted by: yesterday's gone | November 17, 2011 at 12:34 PM

Ummm, no he didn't. He caught an int gifted to him by Benny Sapp. It wasn't a TD.

You know it's getting really desperate when people are trying to credit him with TD's he doesn't have and int's he had no impact in creating.

Posted by: Joe Schmoe | November 17, 2011 at 12:40 PM


he has a pick 6 this season too.

WTH are some of you thinking?

Posted by: yesterday's gone | November 17, 2011 at 12:39 PM


Continuing to say it doesn't make it true.

Posted by: Joe Schmoe | November 17, 2011 at 12:41 PM

He doesn't have a pick 6 YG, he has an interception. But yes, if he turns out to be a 8-10 sack a year guy then it is a worthwhile pick. If not - waste.

Posted by: Mark in Toronto | November 17, 2011 at 12:42 PM

Mark T,

As DD posted this is Odrick's rookie season. Should he post 7-8 qb sacks his 1st season of play, I dont know what planet you guys are from, but that's an impact player imo.

Geesh, as a 3-4 DE, in first season of play he posts 7-8 sacks and a pick 6. You guys dont call that impact?

Posted by: yesterday's gone | November 17, 2011 at 12:43 PM

...YG. You probably remember the some of the debate after the draft. Especially the the topic of the players we drafted. You are right about Gates and his route running in college compaired to the NFL. I argued this point with Odinseye a few times. He may end up being right in the end. But for this year. I think my point has shown to be on the money.

If you go back and look at any You-Tube highlight stuff of Clyde Gates. What you saw was a guy that was clearly the best, and fastest player on the field. He was never touched of the line by a corner back in one of those plays..not once. The corner backs were always off of him 8-9 yards. Now, I realize that this was a highlight reel so it showed only his good plays. And the Phins had actual game tape to evaluate the plays that the average person isn't privy to. But it stuck me as a real problem that Gates would face.The physicality, and route running that was void in those highlight videos.

Posted by: Darryl Dunphy | November 17, 2011 at 12:45 PM

Joe Shmoe,

I respect your opinions here, but, continuing to say Odrick doesnt have a "true" pick 6 wont erase it from the NFL stat books. You guys are a very tough audience today.

Posted by: yesterday's gone | November 17, 2011 at 12:45 PM

If all the QB`s declare for the draft and by some chance we finnish at say 5-11 with the 5th or 6th overall selection then we should draft Matt Barkley and if by some chance the Colts can pull out a game something possible if Manning plays some dress rehersals for 2012 (which if you saw his locker room interview is something he wants to do) then trade the Rams who hands down have the weakest schedule in all of this and take Luck with the 1st pick. I don`t advocate trading picks past our next draft but would consider my 1st, 2nd and 5th to move into the slot.

The Jets in contrast gave up there 1st, 3rd, 5th and 7th for Sancheez who isn`t half the talent Luck is. You could then address T.E. and maybe R.T. Rds. 3-4 or how about taking two T.E.`S sounds like a plan. Look people we aren`t the Jets of 09 which were an old vet heavy team. The Dolphins are young enough to do this with one draft and see what other Coaches can do with some of these very young and raw players before Sparano cuts the next Walden.

Our Cap is to high to bring in decent stop gap players and vets, no problem. Give Soliai his longterm deal and bring down his 11.7 Mil cap # make it incentive heavy and only guarantee the 1st two years while prorating the signing bonus. Plug R.Jones in at S.S. were his size and over agressive nature work in his favor, if you want to talk about moving pieces because at F.S. due to his agressive over-persuing style he`s been bad but at S.S.???? Cutting Y.Bell`s 5.5 off the books as well whose a monster liability in pass coverege but always seems to get a pass and so on. Some of you may disagree with my thinking but at this point at least I have a plan and want to get pro-active while our brilliant F.O. looks for the next acorn to sell us all while telling us OL or DL was the way to go after all, you may laugh at the notion but nothing would suprise me with Ireland anymore

Posted by: fin4life | November 17, 2011 at 12:47 PM

YG, that's exactly the point, 7-8 sacks as a 3-4 DE. The point is pick a 3-4 DE was not a good choice to begin with. To make that pick worth it, he will have to be an EXCEPTIONAL pass rusher period - not an exceptional pass rusher for a 3-4 DE. because in taking Odrick, they passed over such guys as Dez Bryant, Earl Thomas, and Jason Pierre Paul - all who would fit a need for this team and would have a far greater impact in helping the Dolphins win.

We are not criticizing Odrick as a player or as a man. He appears to be a good player and good teammate from what we can see.

What we are criticizing is Ireland's approach in being out of touch with today's NFL and not addressing the positions that help a team win most.

Like I said - as a full timer, 8 sacks minimum and create havoc in the backfield to make it worth it. He has to be a good pass rusher period. Not just a good pass rusher for his position.

Posted by: Mark in Toronto | November 17, 2011 at 12:49 PM

And don't even use the hindsight approach when discussin those three players I mentioned. They were all high profile players and discussed at nauseum in this blog. So if we knew about them then the guy collecting a million dollar paycheck should've known about them too.

Posted by: Mark in Toronto | November 17, 2011 at 12:51 PM

DD,

Gates was a 5th rd pick and guys are ready to declare him bust. Geesh, at least give the guy a year to develop his route running.

Speaking of highlight videos, I saw not one suggesting he would be a kickoff returner in the Nfl. That's on the coaching staff for using him that way, not Gates. He wasnt a kickoff returner in college.

Posted by: yesterday's gone | November 17, 2011 at 12:51 PM

fin4life,
5-11 won't get anywhere near Barkley. He's a top 5 pick period. Maybe #2. 5-11 nets you the 4th best Qb, or 5th. There's several teams that will have a worse record that seriously need a QB. Indy, Seattle, Washington off the top of my head. 5-11 and we're looking at Griffin, Weedon Foles, Cousins. Not sure how the combine will shape the list. But Luck, Barkley, and Jones will be gone. Weedone, would be a home-run except for that pesky age (28).

Posted by: JS in LA | November 17, 2011 at 12:53 PM

FYI, folks who think we're winning more games this year. We've beaten two bad teams. One on the seriously slide downward, and one that simply sucks. Both worse at QB than we are. When we beat a good team this year I'll change my prediction, and own my failure. Until then, I figured on 1-2 wins this year total. So far par.

Posted by: JS in LA | November 17, 2011 at 12:55 PM

Odrick didn't make it all the way to the end zone with the int. Schmoe is a bit harsh to nit-pick that the int. was "gifted". Aren't all ints. gifted?

Posted by: Betty Crocker | November 17, 2011 at 12:56 PM

Joe you're an idiot.

Go Away!!!!!

Posted by: Hennes Momma | November 17, 2011 at 12:58 PM

Joe Shmoe,

I respect your opinions here, but, continuing to say Odrick doesnt have a "true" pick 6 wont erase it from the NFL stat books. You guys are a very tough audience today.

Posted by: yesterday's gone | November 17, 2011 at 12:45 PM

Im not trying to be difficult. I'm just keeping it real. I don't know what stat books you have but, he doesn't have a pick 6.
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Mark in To at 12:49, exacltly. This isn't about Odrick the player, it's about Irelands philosophy. Nothing more, nothing less. I think we've made that case pretty understandable.

And the hindsight thing is also valid. I was completely sold on Earl Tomas & E. Berry but he was drafted 5th I think. Would have been happy with Dez also but understood after trading for Marshall, it wouldn't happen.

Odrick's a nice player, no question. He just won't have the impact some of the other guys we passed on will. Again, this is about Ireland's Big & safe approach, not Odrick.

Posted by: Joe Schmoe | November 17, 2011 at 12:59 PM

Mark T,

Your argument is very valid. We traded all the way down to the backend of the 1st rd to gain a 2nd rd pick. That 2nd rd pick was Misi. The fo rolled the dice hoping to hit the jackpot on a 2 for 1.

First there was the Ireland/Dez pre-draft incident. Then making matters worse Odrick went down for the season game 1. Misi was decent but far from spectacular in season 1.

Until Odrick or Misi become pro bowl players, giving up two 2nd rd picks for Marshall when we could have just drafted Dez will always be questioned.

Posted by: yesterday's gone | November 17, 2011 at 01:00 PM

Repent and turn to Jesus/Messiah to be saved from the soon to come wrath of Father/G-d !

Posted by: Salvation Tweet | November 17, 2011 at 01:01 PM

Joe Shmoe,

Ok, youre right, but its still a pick.

Posted by: yesterday's gone | November 17, 2011 at 01:02 PM

...Go back and put yourself in the shoes of this team draft day 2011. We had the 12th pick in the draft. Had signed free agents Marshall, and Dansby. Our defense in 2010 was putrid, especially against the run. On offense. We ALL BELIEVED we were 1 playmaker away from being a contender. So come draft day we trade away 12 for 28 and get a second rounder.. If you want to say that was the mistake fine. But of the Players taken that year from 12 to 32(players we could have drafted) There maybe 3-4 that we would have considered that you could argue are better picks then Odrick..and this is all in hindsight. Earl Thomas. Mike Iupati, Devin McCourtey, and Gresham. If I missed one feel free.

I left off Dez Bryant for a reason. No way, no matter your feelings about him. Were the Phins taking a WR in that draft. Not after signing Marshall. There were to many holes on the defense to justify drafting a WR in the first round

Posted by: Darryl Dunphy | November 17, 2011 at 01:05 PM

Odrick didn't make it all the way to the end zone with the int. Schmoe is a bit harsh to nit-pick that the int. was "gifted". Aren't all ints. gifted?

Posted by: Betty Crocker | November 17, 2011 at 12:56 PM

No, they aren't. You see Db's make great plays on the ball & get int's all the time. You just don't see us making them often.

Wasn't Wilsons against Cleveland, that was an overthrow not even being thrown to his guy. Wasn't Davis last week when Hankerson fell down. Our Db's are never even in position to get a penalty let alone make an int.

Dansby's int last week was the only one this year where a Miami player used his god given abilities & skill to get a pick. The others have been "gifted".

That's not being harsh, that's telling it like it is.

Posted by: Joe Schmoe | November 17, 2011 at 01:05 PM

Yeah, I don't know what's so hard to see about Ireland's flawed philosophy. In the past 2 years, of the 4 guys we drafted in the top 2 rounds - only Koa Misi plays a position that will have a great impact on the outcome of a game but he as a talent showed nothing in college to make me feel good about the pick.

A centre, a running back, a 3-4 DE all have minimal impacts in today's game. These are some of the most lowest valued positions in the game.

Posted by: Mark in Toronto | November 17, 2011 at 01:07 PM

@ 1:05...Sorry messed up the time line for the drafts. I meant the draft of 2010, and our run D of 2009...Sorry if that was confusing.

Posted by: Darryl Dunphy | November 17, 2011 at 01:07 PM

TRADE UP FOR LUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Hennes Momma | November 17, 2011 at 01:08 PM

Darryl, imagine Jason Pierre Paul playing opposite Wake in that defense?

And it is not hindsight. Staying pat would've been the better move and Dallas picked Dez when they already had Miles so why couldn't we? Trading down was a mistake because you could see that the pass rushers available that late had no value. Maybe jerry hughes but he ended being a bust anyway.

Point is this regime was lost and is still lost by looking at last year's draft.

Posted by: Mark in Toronto | November 17, 2011 at 01:12 PM

Why does everyone think a top 3 draft pick QB is going to get us to the playoffs next year...
I will tell you right now the chances of the dolphins making the playoffs next year with a rookie QB is like 1 in million... Rookie QB's just don't make the playoffs, unless they play on outstanding football teams that make it to the playoffs inspite of them. Hell the pats won there first superbowl inspite of Tom Brady, MVP or not he sucked in that superbowl... 145 yards passing & 1 Td. 0 ints. wow that's freakin amazing, way to set the record books on fire Tom... Trent Dilfer put better numbers up in 2001 153 yards & 1 Td. 0 ints & he didn't get a MVP...lol... We need to draft a QB early & maybe even one later in the draft... but they will have no effect on us making the playoffs next year, unless they start & if they do we probably won't make, were not that good to win inspite our QB...

Posted by: Canada Phil | November 17, 2011 at 01:12 PM

DD,

At the time, the whole premise for drafting Odrick was to move Starks to NT and Odrick to Starks DE spot. Then all of a sudden last year, Odrick went down game 1, Solia blossomed, then more salt to the wound was having to franchise Solia.

The real mess of the matter was this fo and coaching staff hugely miscalculating Solia.

Posted by: yesterday's gone | November 17, 2011 at 01:12 PM

Canada Phil,

Most here arent thinking getting a top 3 qb to make next years playoffs. We're thinking about the face of this franchise for the next 10-15yrs buddy.

Posted by: yesterday's gone | November 17, 2011 at 01:15 PM

TRADE UP FOR LUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Hennes Momma |

Shut up B!tch & go make me a pot pie!

Posted by: Chad Henne | November 17, 2011 at 01:15 PM

DD.............. DID YOU SAY ODRICK IS A ROOKIE ?


ODRICK CONTRACT ............ 14 MILLION 3 YEARS...8 GUARANTEED ...........................


BUFFET OF KNOWLEDGE ..............

Posted by: ALoco | November 17, 2011 at 01:18 PM

We all knew Randy Starks was no NT. You have to be one fat SOB to play NT in the league.

Anybody notice ever since Starks played NT for that one seasons he's never been the same?
Remember he made it to the Pro Bowl one season, he took a beating playing NT.

Just another f up Sparano or Ireland thought of.

Posted by: Spiderman | November 17, 2011 at 01:20 PM

DD,

At the time, the whole premise for drafting Odrick was to move Starks to NT and Odrick to Starks DE spot. Then all of a sudden last year, Odrick went down game 1, Solia blossomed, then more salt to the wound was having to franchise Solia.

Posted by: yesterday's gone | November 17, 2011 at 01:12 PM

But, what makes the pick all the worse is the fact that we didn't NEED Odrick. We still had Merling, Langford & McDaniel to play the DE spot. We could have still drafted a DE later potentially. Just like we did with Langord in the 3rd.

The value for Odrick in the 1st round simply was not there. Doesn't mean he isn't a good enough player. He just wasn't value.

Posted by: Joe Schmoe | November 17, 2011 at 01:20 PM

ALoco,

Shut up b!tch and go make a pot pie.

BUFFET OF KNOWLEDGE THAT!

Posted by: yesterday's gone | November 17, 2011 at 01:21 PM

DID ANY ONE KNOWS IF DYING BREED IS PAYING HIS STUDIO RENT OF 36 DOLLARS A MONTH ?

Posted by: ALoco | November 17, 2011 at 01:23 PM

Bean pie anyone?

Posted by: Hennes Momma | November 17, 2011 at 01:25 PM

Joe Shmoe,

I fully agree with your 1:20 PM post. However, If Odrick can become a consistent 8-10 sack guy, he can qualify as dominant and really increase his value to this team.

We need a pass rusher to step up to alieve the pressure on the lone dominant pass rusher Wake. Not sure Misi will ever be that.

Posted by: yesterday's gone | November 17, 2011 at 01:25 PM

ALoco,

DO YOU HAVE $36 YOU CAN LEND FOR NEXT MONTH'S RENT?

Posted by: yesterday's gone | November 17, 2011 at 01:28 PM

JOE/YESTERDAY GONE............. I NOTICE THERE'S TOO MANY IF'S IN YOUR LAST FEW POSTS...

IF THIS AND IF THAT ,WE WOULD WIN THE SUPERBOWL .............

Posted by: ALoco | November 17, 2011 at 01:30 PM

I wish I could say anything about your posts but, they'd have to be worthwhile to do so.

That's true Jeremy, Carolina is indeed in the catbird seat. They'll be able to trade back within the top 10 to the team that wants Barkley or Jones the most. Right now Miami is sitting 3 and doesn't need to trade up but that can change.

SORRY!!!!! Didn't mean to copy the entire page LOL

Joe Shmoe,

That may be another issue Ross has to take into account with the next regime hiring. We have no 4-3 D DE's, olb's, nor mlb. 2012's offseason would also be filled with acquiring personel to fit all of those positions should we have to make a defensive switch.

To alleviate that, either the hiring has to be a hc that has a 3-4 defensive philosopy or that hc has play 3-4, like it or not.

Plus all of these 3-4 defenders that would have to switched out to go 4-3 are guys under contract with at least above average salaries. Plus, even if Wake's moved to 4-3 DE can he hold up in the run game being blocked by OT's instead of TE's.

Wake biggest assest is his speed, he will be neutralized.

ALoco,

ARE YOU SAYING THAT IF I MOVED INTO YOUR MOMMY'S BASEMENT WITH YOU. THAT UNLIKE CUBAN, YOU WOULD WOULD WASH MY UNDERPANTS?

DEAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

fin4life,
5-11 won't get anywhere near Barkley. He's a top 5 pick period. Maybe #2. 5-11 nets you the 4th best Qb, or 5th. There's several teams that will have a worse record that seriously need a QB. Indy, Seattle, Washington off the top of my head. 5-11 and we're looking at Griffin, Weedon Foles, Cousins. Not sure how the combine will shape the list. But Luck, Barkley, and Jones will be gone. Weedone, would be a home-run except for that pesky age (28).

Publicado por: JS in LA | November 17, 2011 at 12:53 PM

JS,

It`s why I advocate trading up in such a scenario not down. If you look at what we have left on the schedule should we remain playing this way we will probably end the year 4-12 but that got me thinkng as I posted about the Jets trading their 1,3,5,7, in 09 to move up and take Sanchez. See the Jets managed that while moving up quite a few picks if memory serves, so my question becomes should Manning play some dress rehersal games for 2012 at Seasons end something he has said he would like to do and end up with an identical record as the Rams then St Louis will look to deal the 1st. pick given there weaker schedule and in a biding war with the teams you mention what would Luck be worth to you??? (Me I`d try and keep picks 3-4 and consider trading the others)

I don`t think it a gimmie either that Barkley is the 2nd Q.B. off the boards thinking Landry will have something to say about it, should the scenario then turn to trading up a couple of spots for him. I`ve been thinkng on it now for some time were not the old vet heavy 09 Jets we could afford to mortgage one draft for a franchise talent at Q.B. I`ve read everybodies scenarios and don`t like the trade down here thinking trade up. By the way am with Mark in Toronto about Pierre Paul remember him backflipping down the field in the combine then watching video and thought then and still believe he could be an excellent 3-4 OLB as well, really liked him at pick 12.

I think the Phins will get their QB. I think Lance Jones is the most probable to go back to school....he has the most to gain in regards to his draft stock.

I personally think Miami is going to get another win or two this year, but I still say they'll be drafting around 5 or 6. Not all of the bottom feeders are going to be looking QB. I have this feeling that the next Miami QB is going to be RGIII....and personally, I like it.

You guys would be suprised how much better this team would be with a QB they can believe in. Look how Denvers team is backing Tebow. The effort is amazing. To get a true evaluation of this team. Miami needs to trade up for Luck. I think the right rookie QB can lead this team to the playoffs. Not to mention every year after that. It doesn't matter what players you get. Miami can't truly evaluate this team without a leader.

If Matt Moore was an NFL QB Carolina wouldn't have used 2 high draft picks for QB's in the last 2 years. Oh and by the way, playing for the Phins he has had more bad games than good. Just because Miami has won there last 2 games does not mean they still didn't suck all the other games. Still got to play some better competition, let's see how they do.

Matt Moore is not the long term answer for a championship team. Keep working with your therapist on your Henne hate issues Armondo!

At 7-9 we picked, what, 15th overall in 2011?

Say we finish 7-9, that's saying possibly this team's good enough to win 5 of the final 7 games. Should Indy draft Luck, Manning's medically cleared to play, we draft 13-15th. I would be very interested in trading for Manning should the Colts have interest in our 13-15th pick only.

If not, we should strongly consider either drafting what's left. Or Carolina, already having Newton maybe our strongest trade up option. They dont need a qb and are well on pace to draft within the top 5.

What does that headline even mean? Terrible. This blog is a mess. The Herald should be ashamed to link their name to it.

Should we win too many games and sit outside of the top 10 draft spots. Keep your fingers crossed Carolina draft's top 5. They may become our most viable trade up partner although it may still be fairly expensive.

Possibly our 2nd rd this year and our 1st rd pick 2012.

fin4life,
I'm not opposed to trading up to take any of the big 3 QBs, but that does leave us screwed for the rest of the draft. QB is #1 priority, but we do have many holes to fill, or picks to use as leverage for good player trades too. So HOPEFULLy we'll suck adequately to not have to trade up for Barkley or Luck.
BTW, I'm hearing a lot of analysts talking how Barkley is in the same breath as Luck, and his stats match, and Luck shouldn't be a shoe-in for #1. Haven't heard any talk of Jones in comparison to either. Combine may change things though. But right now, as it stands, Luck #1, Barkley close #2, and then a step off. Jones #3, then a BIG step off. Weedon would be top 3 if we wasn't 28. One wonders if he's already at his professional peak.
I don't advocate Griffin unless we're out of top choices. He's raw, and no one knows how he'll do in a pro-style system. Big risk. Not sure the FIns can afford that big of a risk after 11 years at the QB kiddie table.

As it stands today - my top 15 Mock Draft:

1.) Colts - Andrew Luck QB. Going against conventional wisdom, I could also see them trading this pick for more picks to build around Manning at another run in the next 3 years and picking up a potential QB of the future with their traded 1st round or in the 2nd.

2.) Rams - Matt Kalil; OT. They're not going to give up on Bradford this early and they need to protect him.

3.) Vikings - Justin Blackmon or Alshon Jefferey; WR. They need weapons for Christian Ponder. IMO, the two best WRs in this draft.

4.) Panthers - Justin Blackmon or Alshon Jefferey; WR. Whomever the Vikings don't take, the Panthers will. Need weapons for Newton and Steve Smith is old and due big $$$.

5.) Dolphins - Robert Griffin III; QB. I could also see Barkley here, but personally I have Griffin III higher right now with the outstanding year he's had. Plus, it has the "splash" factor that Ross really likes.

6.) Redskins - Matt Barkley; QB. The Redskins don't have anyone at the QB position that even remotely resembles a starting QB. They could pick Griffin III here if Miami takes Barkley.

7.) Jags - Quinton Colples; DE. The Jags have ZERO pass rush and the need has been ignored for a long time. Trent Richardson (RB) will be tempting, but ultimately they address their pass rush need.

8.) Arizona Cardinals - Jonathan Martin; OT. Nope....no QB here! Between draft picks and salary, they have way too much invested in Kolb to take a QB early. Trent Richardson will be available here, but not a real option because of Wells and Ryan Williams. Claiborne will also be available here as well, but wouldn't make sense as AZ just spent a top 10 on a CB last year. Martin is the best available that fits a big need.

9.) Browns - Trent Richardson; RB. No QB here either....they're not going to give up on McCoy this early. Trent Richardson would take some of the pressure off and I don't think Hillis will be a Brown next year. Another option could be Morris Claiborn (CB).

10.) Chiefs - Riley Reiff; OT. Claiborne is the best available on the board, so he could get picked here as well; but the Chiefs need an upgrade in pass protection.

11.) Eagles - Morris Claiborne; CB. He's still on the board and the Eagles will take him. Samuel won't be back next year due to the $$ due him and Rogers-Cromartie just sucks and doesn't seem to care. They'll jump at the chance to take Claiborne to play across Asomugha.

12.) Seahawks - Lance Jones; QB. Nope...I don't have Jones in the top 10, due mostly to team needs. If Jones declares, the Seahawks will gladly take him here. If not, they may opt for Trent Richardson if available due to Lynch being a FA next year. After that, it would be a matter of best player available; IMO Dre Kirkpatrick (CB) or Alfonzo Denard (CB). Neither satisfies a glaring need, but can't hurt either.

13.) Bucs - Dre Kirkpatrick of Alfonzo Denard; CB. The Bucs have a real need at CB going into next season and they're drafting in the perfect spot to have a shot at two of the best in this draft.

14.) Broncos - Luke Kuechly; LB. Tim Tebow and the Broncos are going to do just enough to push them out of the hunt for a viable 1st round QB. They've had issues in the middle this year and the pick would provide a good upgrade at the position.

15.) Bills - Michael Floyd; WR. The Bills will want to upgrade the WR position across from Steve Johnson and they just paid Fitzpatrick a ton of money. The pick fits.

What say you all? I see it very likely, as long as the Phins draft top 10, that they get a QB this year.

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