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On importance of the offseason, Schottenheimer rumor

This blog for weeks has been taking routine and well-planned detours from what is currently happening with the Dolphins every game week because, as I wrote in my column in today's Miami Herald, what is about to happen this offseason is a lot more important and exciting than what is currently happening in season.

Please check the column because it gives some insight as to what owner Stephen Ross wants to accomplish this offseason.

Along those lines, I caught ESPN insider Chris Mortensen speculating on the Dolphins coaching search last weekend, warning advising Miami fans not to be surprised if New York Jets offensive coordinator Brian Schottenheimer ended up a solid candidate for Miami's soon-vacant head coaching position.

With all due respect to Mortensen, one of the best in the business, I would say ain't no way that is a serious thought.

Yes, I know Brian Schottenheimer is the son of former Chiefs head coach Marty Schottenheimer. Yes, I know  Marty is a long-time favorite of Carl Peterson, who is part of Ross's advisory committee and a trusted confidant to the owner.

But not even the Dolphins are this dumb.

The young Schottenheimer's body of work hardly merits a head coach look yet. In fact, he's more likely to get fired as the Jets offensive coordinator than hired as Miami's head coach. In New York this week, critics have renewed calls for Schottenheimer's firing.

Schottenheimer is under such fire that head coach Rex Ryan had to come to his and quarterback Mark Sanchez's defense Monday. He's under such fire that the team had to make him available to the media so he could explain his thinking and play-calling, following the Jets loss to the Giants on Saturday.

"I have a huge amount of confidence in both guys there's no doubt," Ryan said.  

"As far as Brian Schottenheimer goes, shoot, we'll just keep working side by side and shoulder to shoulder and we're trying to find a way to beat Miami."

The Jets are terrible 27th in the NFL in total offense. And that is with Schottenheimer getting help from consultant Tom Moore, the former Colts offensive coordinator who was brought in when the season began and and was brought this month because his work was obviously not complete.

Nope, doesn't sound like a guy the Dolphins will be hiring as head coach this season. Man's got to prove he's rocking the OC job before he gets the big promotion to head coach. And the young Schotty isn't rocking his current job just yet.

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IF...the Bucs, Jags & Browns all WIN on Sunday and the Fins LOSE...we all have the same record:

5-11

The only teams we can't pass are the Vikes, Colts & Rams.

What I don't know is the draft order of all the 5-11 teams.


Worst case: We WIN, and the Bills, Panthers & Chiefs all lose and we finish at 6-10 and pick somewhere in the #15 range.

no way i give up picks for rg3, not even high on him. do what it takes to get luck

coaching lost the game sunday, up 17-0 at half and u come out and become conservative and forget to make adjustments on coverages

15 woiuld be a disaster. wheres all those idiots who kept rooting to win meaningless games now

I wouldn't trade Jake Long. I know he has been injured this year, but there is no reason to believe if he is healthy he can continue to be a pro-bowl caliber LT for at least another 4-5 year contract (Miami would have to resign him to a big deal). You can only find LT of his caliber high in the draft. Unless you are planning on drafting one this year because you aren't planning on resigning Jake after this year due to the money (which would be a major slap to the fans).

Jon Gruden will be Miami Dolphins new head coach!

Looks like Gruden is headed to St. Louis:

People familiar with Rams owner Stan Kroenke’s plans said Monday that Kroenke is waiting for Spanos to make a move on Smith (San Diego's GM). If Smith is available, league and agent sources strongly indicated that Smith will be hired as Rams’ general manager and bring along Jon Gruden as head coach.

Matt Moore gets sacked too much (not entirely his fault, the OL is about to set the new Miami sack record). Moore also loses the ball way too much via fumbles. Moore is definitely an improvement over Henne, but likely will never be a pro-bowl caliber QB. I think you have to look at the coaching as part of the reason for the collapse...

..Craig M..Whats up?

A lot og Gm's passed on the players you mentioned. Gm's don't get credit for players they pass on. They make their hay by the product they put on the field. Ireland has yet to prove he can do this, and put out a winner. Can he? I hope so. We have disscused Ireland many times, and every time I have said that his sample is to small to say if he is as poor as I believe he is..We will see how his movie plays out.

ah, anyone remember Daboll's body of work before he got canned in Cleveland? Who was it that hired him again? Granted it hasn't turned out as bad as I imagined...

With this organization anything is frighteningly possible.

where u reading this nhfin? funny seeing edwards released by niners

I really don't see "crazy bidding", for 2 seperate QB's in this draft. Possible, but seems unlikely.

How many crazy trades ever go through in the NFL. These GM's all need to keep their jobs, they do this by not placing too much importance on one player.

The Vikings put the Cowboys into a couple of Super Bowls and set their own franchise back 10 years with the Walker trade.

I don't doubt that the two QB's are gone in the first few picks. I just don't see too many teams willing to mortgage their future and roll the dice. A bunch of teams needed QB's last year and there wasn't any bidding wars for Cam.

Daaaa........Bolls

ncfinfan,

You make a fair point about Matt Moore. He didn't exactly lose the game but he doesn't win games when he should either. He is around or under 60 percent of passes and he never makes clutch throws with the pressure on.

The D is to blame too in the many losses but Moore couldn't close the deal vs Broncos, Giants, Cowboys or Patriots. He misses badly on many throws when it matters and not saying his o-line has done him many favors he doesn't have a pocket prescense at all. Fumbles vs Broncos, Giants, Patriots all when it mattered.

The unfortunate thing is he will be Miami's starter next season while Miami either trades back in round 2 instead of up in round 1 to take someone like Weeden, Tannehill or Cousins.

In round 1 Miami will take BPA and that will probably be either Riley Reiff (OT Iowa), Jonathan Martin (OT Stanford) or Courtney Upshaw (DE, OLB Alabama).

DB...here's the source on the Gruden story:

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2011/dec/26/changes-coming-chargers-brass/?page=1#article

Andy....your opinion on the Fins first round draft seems flawed.

Ross has said over and over, he wants a marquee named head coach and to draft a franchise QB in the draft.

....Ross's words, not mine.

Reports out there that the Chargers have already had an interview with Cowher. Just curious, are guys ripping Spanos for that move while Turner is still the HC?

DD,

Morning.

You're right a GM is judged by the product he puts on the field. I believe the talent level is better than the record will show so far. Time will tell if I'm right.

A GM is judged by the moves he make but he should also be judged by the mistakes he doesn't make too. Consider it an opportunity lost to bring in someone of bette talent. He did well to stay away from some of these moves, when many on here were ripping for not making them and for not listening to the fan base.

As a Jets fan, please take Schottenheimer.

Schottenheimer called 67 passing plays last week against the giants with Mark Sanchez as his QB. Do you think he plays to his teams strengths? Even a 12 year old playing madden wouldn't call 67 passing plays with Mark Sanchez.

QB's that leave Shottys system typically do better (pennington with the dolphins, favre with the vikings). He's never had a top 10 offense. Ever. Despite having Pennington and Favre.

Also from the outside looking in, it appears you guys missed with Henne. Moore even looks better. I don't think your defense is that bad, but I really only saw the Jet game.

Coaches I'd be afraid of you guys getting: Cower, Rob Ryan.

Coaches I don't mind, but might be good:
Billick

Coaches I will laugh if you hire:
Either Schottenheimer, Gruden, josh mcdaniels


NHFINSFAN,

There are going to be a ton of rumours out there about coaching changes. I'm doubting much will happen until guys like Gruden have had a chance to seize up all opportunities available to him.

NHFINSFAN,

Jon Gruden also said he would consider bringing in a new QB because Bradford missed so badly on throws in the Monday night gm vs Seahawks. Someone on this blog said it first and I researched it and it was true Gruden did say it.

So with that being said why would Gruden want to go to a mess like that? If he thinks Bradford isn't the answer but is saddled by his contract and also a roster that needs an infusion of talent as well which is obvious. I will believe that when I see it. I say no way no how.

Gruden in my opinion goes somewhere like San Diego, Giants (if Coughlin is fired). He had success getting his last team over the hump in Tampa and probably prefers a situation like that as opposed to a complete rebuilding job which according to him might be the case given his comments on a young Bradford.

It seems to me that the focus should be on getting the right quarterback and not the greatest head coach. When we had a "good" QB (Pennington)and two fired coaches (Henning and Sporano), we made the playoffs. What do you think the playoff picture would look like if Brady played for Miami and Moore played for New England? You can win with a good coach and a great QB but you can't win with a great coach and a good QB... Maybe Mr. Ross you should spend your time and effort making sure you get the right quarterback if you really want to make the Dolphins relevant again....

..Matt Moore may not have totaly lost the game Sunday..But he had a huge hand in losing it. Look at the turnovers, and his efficiency in the 4th quarter. You cannot pin all the blame on him..But it would be nice to find a quarterback that can play in the most important quarter of the game..Or do something that we never see..Win a game from behind..

I get it that Moore is a band-aid. He is better then any of us imagined. And he has played admirably. If we want to win a few games, beat bad teams, and occasionaly push the elite. Moore is the guy. But if this team wants a contender, a team with a real shot...Moore would be best served holding the clipboard.

AndyNJ,

Do you think Jerry Jones would take a run at Gruden if the Cowboys miss the playoffs and he decides to replace Garrett? Would Gruden take an opportunity like that?

Craig....the article stated some compelling facts, like the strong bond between Gruden & Smith.
Much like the bond between Ross & Peterson.

The NFL is all about who you know & how well you know them.

I only hope our next HC has a fat rolodex and is connected in many key places around the league.

Hiring a rookie coach is not in our best interest as we've tried that recently:

Sparano
Cameron
Saban

I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THEM KEEP BOTH COORDINATORS WE STARTED SLOW ON BUT IF MOORE IS GOING TO BE THE STARTING QB WHICH IS ALMOST A CERTAINTY HE WOULD BE FAMILIAR WITH DABOLL'S OFFENSE, AND WE WOULD HAVE CONTINUITY INSTEAD OS SOMEONE NEW AGAIN IT IS WORTH A TRY FOR ONE MORE YEAR, AS FAR AS NOLAN GOES I DON'T REALLY THINK HE SHOULD GET MUCH BLAME HERE ONCE THE DEFENSIVE PLAYERS GOT IN SHAPE TO PLAY THEY PLAYED PRETTY WELL, SHUTTING OUT THE PATS TILL THE HALF WAS IMPRESSIVE , I KNOW WE ENDED UP LOSING BUT STILL JUST A COUPLE OF MORE PLAYERS ON THAT SIDE OF THE BALL AND WE COULD BE TOP 5 D, WE WERE 6TH LAST YEAR, OH AND ONE OTHER THING OUR MAIN NEED ON THE OFFENSE BESIDES THE FRANCHISE QB IS BETTER OLINE, BETTER PROTECTION AND MOORE'S PLAY IS BETTER AND OF COURSE IF BRANDON WE TIGHTEN UP ON CATCHING THE BALL ESPECIALLY IN THE ENDZONE.

NHFINSFAN,

There is nothing at all flawed about what I said.

I know what Ross said he wants but you don't always get what you want. We heard the same thing last offseason and didn't happen. We got journeymen Matt Moore which has produced some fun but he is there to not lose the game not to go out and be counted on to win it.

I hope Ross/Ireland deliver this time but there are teams ahead of Miami that all needs QBs too. There will be competition for any sort of trade and if Indy loses this weekend every team will be trading up for only 1 QB in RG3 and not having the option to trade up for Luck (Rams would and should demand King's ransom and continue with Bradford given his huge contract and 50 million guaranteed still owed)

craig m id bet anything cowher hasnt interviewed for any job

Andy....what if the Rams have the #1 pick and Luck is on the board?

Gruden would dump Bradford like a hot potato to grab Luck...where he could groom him into the next great QB.

jets fan what happened in ny? how did they become so bad

NHFINSFAN,

Until something like that actually happens, I'm not buying any of the rumours that are out there. It makes SOME sense, agreed but it also doesn't make sense. If Indy gets the first pick, rather than St Louis for example, would any good REALLY want to got to St. Louis? I read they have a ton of cap space for next year but they also have a ton of holes. What do you do with Bradford, other than try and protect him and get him some weapons? They have so many needs I couldn't list them all here. It's why I think they will be prime candidates to trade their pick. Real mess!

totally false, 2 weeks ago gruden on air said it would be insane to dump bradford for luck

CraigM,

I actually believe Jerry Jones this time around when he said something on the lines of he wants Jason Garrett to be his his coach. Jones specifically said he is aware of Garret's mistakes this season and that Garret is learning and specifically said he wants to reap the rewards when Garrett gets it right.

I know this is all "Owner/GM Talk" but I think Garret has had some major brain farts this season particularly against the Lions when he insisted on passing and aided Romo in making those throws instead of handing the ball off and then the AZ icing his own kicker stunt. But with all that said I say he sticks in Dallas even if they don't make the playoffs this year. If the Boys stunk it up or missed the playoffs next year then yeah he is a goner. Too much talent not to make the playoffs 2 years in a row.

Craig...agreed, the biggest unknown is who will own the #1 pick.
It's been Indy all season long and now that the Rams are in the mix makes it so much more intriguing.
If Indy holds #1...game over, Luck is a Colt and were all fighting for RG3.

But if the Rams hold #1...the entire draft board changes dramatically...

colts will beat jacksonville giving rams first pick

Craig M.. I get your point about crediting a Gm for passing on players.. I just disagree. No problem. GM,'s should never be influenced by the fans(I understand it happens..see Denver Broncos) But as smart as we pretend to be. Our knowledge is a pea comparied to the pumpkin of an NFL GM.. These guys should know the characther of their teams.. Passing on guys that do not fit is part of their job.. Adding depth is part of their job, You get it. No need to beat the drum..No need to go on.

So, all I'm saying. And at risk of being redundant. Ireland has been a disaster..From the point the product on the field isn't competitive. Will some of his picks pan out?? I hope so. Will he do whats neccessary to fix the qb problem?? I hope. Most importantly..Can he work in lock step with the next head coach?? All of these questions are in Irelands court. Obviously he has to prove nothing to me, as I write stupid stuff about him on a blog. But for the good of the franchise, I hope he rights the ship..I don't want to be right about Ireland, I really don't..It does no good for anyone for him to be a failure.

NHFINSFAN,

Yeah I'm not buying that. He may have said that about Bradford on air but I think they are committed to Bradford.

Think about it, if they were to draft Luck, they would lose all leverage in trying to trade Bradford. Two QBs on the roster, need to move Bradford and do something. On top of all that, Bradford's contract and injury situation/down year would make it hard to get top value for him. Having said all that, if Bradford is on the market, I hope the Dolphins are interested.

NHFINSFAN,

Im sure Gruden would WANT to dump Bradford but there is no team taking on Bradfords contract! So you can't "dump" him for nothing and you aren't going to get a fair offer in return because again he is still owed $50 million in base salary and guarantees combined.

Gruden won't have the say in what the Rams should do with that much money. Plus with the Rams uncertain future possibly a team going to LA because of stadium issues and so forth, why on earth would Gruden want that?

A situation like St. Louis is a guy desperate to want to get back into coaching if you go the retread route like Billick, Fassel or Mangini and possibly Fisher. It's not a situation the big name guys like Cowher or Gruden would touch though in my opinion.

ALERT ...BREAKING NEWS...........


TONY SPARANO COULD BE VERY WELL HEADING TO KC TO REPLACE HALEY THE EX HC .......REPORT IS SAYING THAT BILL PARCELLS RECOMMENDED TONY SPARANO TO HIS SON IN LAW PIOLI THE GMFOR THE CHIEFS ..........

ANOTHER ALERT.... REPORT IS SAYING HE WILL BE HIRED BY THE GAINTS AS OC AND HC IN WAITING .......

i just said that craig, they would never give up on bradofrd for luck. gruden said he wouldnt dump bradford for luck

Aloco...what is your source?

...What is becoming a disturbing trend is that there could be up to 9 teams looking for a head coach..9. Now this is an inflated number, on the high side. But even if it is 7 guys(realistic number) where are all these coaches going??

We already know that Cowher, and Fisher want nothing to do with this job. There are other teams that are much more attractive then the job here with the Phins..Sorry, this is just the facts. We can moan and groan, and fool ourselves into think Miami is the balls.. Really? It is almost like our draft position is like our number in line for head coaching prospects..

Sure, any job in the NFL is a coveted one. Most guys with their eyes set on being a head coach would snap this up..I'm just not sure that we will get a guy that is the hotest hooker in the lineup at the bordello..

Green Bay OC.....not the Jets OC. THINK!!!

Now Fisher is heading to the Rams:

La Canfora: Rams could make run at Fisher
As it stands now, Steve Spagnuolo is the coach of the 2-13 Rams. But if the organization decides to make a change, don't be surprised if they pursue Jeff Fisher, Jason La Canfora says

MY SOURCE////////// NEW YORK TIMES

Darryl ... you are making a solid point about prospective head coaches passing on a chance to coach in Miami.

Think about other cities and how the fans support the team.

The lifestyle

Many people actually dislike South Florida and would prefer a more humbled city like St. Louis or San Diego.

There is the stability at ownership issue...

..and finally, there is the overall strength of the franchise...and the Fins have been a franchise in decline since the departure of Shula & Marino.

If you gave me a choice between St. Louis or Miami, I'd choose St. Louis because of one reason: ROSS SUCKS AS AN OWNER!

Let's clarify something. The current draft order is as follows:

1. Rams
2. Colts
3. Vikings
4. Browns
5. Bucs
6. Jaguars
7. Redskins
8. Dolphins
9. Chiefs
10. Bills


Whether Miami wins or loses the next game they CANNOT pick lower than #8 because the Bills and Chiefs have a stronger schedule than the Dolphins.
The best they can end up would be #6 if Jacksonville and Washington win their last game and Miami loses their last game. If Jacksonville and Miami end up with the same record Miami picks ahead of them based on the strength of schedule. They cannot pick ahead of Washington unless the Skins finish with a better record.
No matter what happens this weekend Miami cannot pick ahead of Cleveland or Tampa.
Strength of schedule for the previous season is the first tie-breaker for teams with the same winning percentage. The team with the lowest strength of schedule winning percentage wins the tie-breaker.
Therefore, the Bills and Panthers cannot pick ahead of us either if all teams have the same record. The Bills and Panthers have the toughest schedules this year based on strength of schedule.

DD,

Sorry to beat a deadhorse but I feel you're depiction of Ireland as a 'disaster' is just dead wrong. Sorry that's how I feel.

You're judging the teams record in the boxscores and to me that falls more on the head coach. There are SO many games last year AND this that the Dolphins SHOULD have won and didn't. That falls on the coaching, not the GM. The talent level on this team is much better than when Ireland and company took over and I simply point to the fact that they are in every game, something that wasn't true during the 1-15 season.

While I'm not advocating Ireland for executive of the year, I am simply saying we need to see what this team does with good coaching before condemning Ireland. The fact that the play hasn't dropped off at all under a brand new, rookie coach, tells me that Sparano wasn't bringing all that much to the table. Again, that's just my opinion. The fact they have ignored the QB position is simply that they needed to give Henne 3-4 years to show whether he has it. We've seen it and he doesn't. Time to move on and now address the QB situation.

Lou...thanks for the research!

My #1 concern is that we finish ahead of the Skins.

Snyder & Shannahan are drooling over the prospects of getting RG3...we must finish ahead of the Skins!

RAMES WILL HIRE GRUDEN .............

NHFINSFAN,

You'll drive yourself crazy with all these rumours....LOL. Things will change from hour to hour. Everyone of these reporters is trying to scop their competition. In reality, none of them have any cle what will happen....it's all speculation, just as we are doing.

THE CHARGERS GM A.SMITH WILL BE HIRED BT THE RAMS NEW GM ,IT'S KNOWN THAT HE HAS A STRONG TIES WITH GRUDEN .........

Most things Ross has said and done(see Jim Harbaugh), point to him going after a young,very talented Football man for the next Head Coach, a la Sean Payton. At the same time, he said he wants a "Star" coach. Hmm..

ESPEN WILL ISSUE A STATEMENT SAYING GRUDEN WILL LEAVE THE NETWORK///////

A list of candidates I would like to see interviewed

1. Jon Gruden - I don't care what anyone says the guy is smart as they come and great as a HC just not as a GM.

2. Romeo Crennel - He flopped in a horrible situation in Cleveland. Talk about a team with no talent! I think players love playing for him and he was the master mind behind that Patriots championship defense not Belichick which becomes more evident more and more every season the Patriots get worse and worse on that side.

3. Jeff Fisher - His teams are always physical and tough and chippy to a point. He made chicken salad out of chicken s%%t in Tennessee more then once. He is a very good if not great HC. He is a motivator and has "been in the trenches".

4. Chris Peterson (Boise State HC) - I seriously doubt Miami goes this way because I feel they go the retread route and I don't think retread is a bad thing just a term for well retread coaches. Peterson though has a great offensive mind. He runs so many different sets and formations much like Jim Harbaugh at Stanford. He will go Power I, spread, set the pass up with the run and vice versa. He does whatever works and isn't shy about running some inventive trick plays and aggressive play calling. The guy has been offered several higher profile jobs over the years like Arizona, ASU, Penn State recently which reports say he already turned down. So what is it he is seeking?

5. Brian Billick - I am not in love with this idea but include this because I think it is a real possibility. And if it happened I may not get overly excited but I will be on board with it and hope for the best obviously.

Ok a loco...@12:54.....

The coach with 3 straight losing seasons not only gets 1 offer....he gets 2.... Lol

I say the new hires comes fast and furious. Next Monday will be very exciting as each team needing a new HC will want to hire the best talent first.
Hopefully Ross is sharpening his pencil and rolling out the red carpet (not that gross orange one).

totally false, 2 weeks ago gruden on air said it would be insane to dump bradford for luck
Posted by: dusty bottoms | December 27, 2011 at 12:14 PM

Gruden "on air" on Monday Night Football said he would draft Grffin in a hearbeat and get rid of Bradford and Jaworski looked at him like he was speaking Chinese. As a matter of fact, the two of them almost got into an argument about it.

link:

http://www.footballinsiders.net/nfl/st-louis-rams/4-reasons-why-the-rams-should-trade-sam-bradford/

Andy,

Good list. Only guy I would strike for the list is Crennel. I think he's sticking around in KC. Players love him and he has ties to Pioli from their New England days.

It's Fisher for me but Gruden is a VERY close second. Agreed, keep him away from personnel decisions. I'm also high on Mike Zimmer but again we're getting into that unknown element as a HC.

PROFFESR LOU........ SINCE WHEN WE BELIEVE A GUY LIKE GRUDEN AND WHAT HE SAYS........... THE DOLLAR SIGN CHANGE JESUS MIND .....

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