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Carl Peterson likely role? President of the Dolphins

These are three things I'm hearing:

General manager Jeff Ireland will remain in the GM role throughout the 2012 season, as I first reported two weeks ago, owner Stephen Ross confirmed during a press conference a day later, and everyone in the organization I've asked maintains as truth rather than temporary P.R.

Yes, there is a slight chance Ireland might not be around if, say, Bill Cowher changes his mind, wants to coach and is hired by the Dolphins. But sources insists the chances of that happening are slim to none. Thus Ireland's chances of getting bounced are slim to none.

So there's that.

I've also heard from good sources that on the business side, CEO Mike Dee is safe. The Dolphins had good business years in 2009 and 2010. This year has been a bomb. No, actually it has been a bomb dropped in a sewer. It''s been bad because no win, no sellout ... no sellout, no money ... no money, no good.

The Dolphins have conducted internal diagnostic studies, if you will, to gauge the performance of the organization's business side. Sources tell me these studies encouraged employees to openly rate their supervisors. And some nerves were frayed by this at certain levels. But, apparently, the very top of the organization's business side is expected to remain stable.

So there's that.

And finally, I'm hearing that owner Stephen Ross continues to seriously consider adding Carl Peterson to the Dolphins -- essentially transfering him over from his FanVision business to his greater, more valuable, more important business.

The NFL team.

But if Peterson isn't coming as the GM (thank God) because Ireland is that, and Peterson isn't coming as the CEO because Dee is that, what the heck role would Peterson fill?

Here's a purely speculative possibility based on the purely speculative whispers from within the organization: He'd come as the overseer of all things Dolphins.

He would come as club president over Ireland and Dee. He would be charged with presenting the Dolphins as one united organization under one umbrella rather than a divided organization that on the one hand plays football and on the other hand considers itself a business that happens to play football, as one internal memo last year maintained.

Peterson has done this before. His role with the Kansas City Chiefs was president, general manager and chief executive officer. So obviously he's got experience in all three. He obviously knows what all three jobs entail as his time in Kansas City spanned 20 seasons.

And he could come on board as a liaison between football operations and the business side -- working to unite the two sides of the franchise as owner Stephen Ross has been thinking about and wanting to do for several months.

So there's that.

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CraigM,

yg,
If you read once in a while you would know that people are very split on what they think Barkley will do. He apparently loves the College life and playing at USC for Kiffin. He may not be prepared to give that up.
Did you KNOW that Locker would return to school two years ago when he was rated to go first in the draft? Of coure you did....you're yg.....you know all....LOL.

Posted by: Craig M | December 22, 2011 at 11:36 AM

Even you dont believe the bs of this post. Kalil's declared. Are you trying to trick us into thinking youre smart?

Believe me, no one here's buying that. We all know with Kalil leaving there's 99.9% chance Barkley's leaving too. You're not making a "revelation" by going on record as saying so.

It only proves even an idiot(you) dont believe Barkley's staying. LOL

Professor Lou,

If Manning is released as I expect him to be, the darkhorse team for him to land would be the Jets. Guys will argue with me on here about it but I think with the right QB they have a team that could win now. Yes, their running game is lousy right now but it goes as their QB goes. Nobody fears Sanchez, so they stack the run and dare him to throw. I think if they come up short again, as I expect they will, that they might take a run at Manning. It's EXACTLY the kind of move Ryan loves to make.

Meanwhile, Peyton won't even get cleared to take a snap this year. How will anyone really know how much he has recovered without having a chance to see him play in a real game?

The discussion is irrelevant until more convincing information can be produced that he really is back in form.

Until then, nobody drafting high is going to risk giving up a possible franchise QB for a Manning with an unclear bill of health.

Little chance that Manning gets traded.

Peter King of Sports Illustrated reported during Football Night in America that Manning’s $28 million option bonus is due before the start of the 2012 league year. Since no trades can happen until after the 2012 league year begins, the Colts won’t be able to trade Manning before the $28 million comes due.

And that means the Colts will be less likely to trade him after paying him another $28 million.

Of course, Manning could give the Colts some relief by agreeing to postpone the due date, if only by a few days. But here’s the thing. What’s in it for Manning? If there’s a team that he’d like to play for and if that team is willing to pay him $28 million to walk through the door, why tie his new team’s hands by forcing the new team to give up two first-round picks or more to the Colts? Those picks could be used to help improve Manning’s new team.

Thus, it’s in Manning’s best interests, if he’s going to leave Indy, to refuse to change the date and force his release.

Regardless of how it works out, it’ll be one of the most compelling stories of the offseason.

Thanks for the response Mark.........those were the 2 I was thinking of going with.

Although it concerns me a little Marshall sat out of practice.

Bradford did well last year and it is not uncommon for someone to take a step back during their careers. It happened to peyton. Personally I'd rather mortgage the farm for Barkley or griffen.

Mark in Toronto | December 22, 2011 at 11:19 AM

Mark,

P.Manning went 13-3 in his 2nd year (99) taking the AFC East crown that Season, remember that was the year we were in S.B. mode supposedly and J.J. called the week 12 match up at home Vs. are then Div. rivals the most important game in his time in Miami and we lost to the red hot Manning and NFL rookie of the year E.James (The Edge) in a shoot out after the final wistle still remember JT on hands and knees looking at the score clock.

S.Bradford has had a knee and ankle problem all Season and if the Rams aren't careful he will go the way of J.Goerge who was assassinated behind a horrid OL in Indy don't forget D.Carr in Houston either or Testaverde and Young in Tampa. People forget that he was very steady for a time in 2010 and was thought an up and comer don't see the Rams pulling the plug unless they trade him and go the A.Luck route but if they do this they still better sign an entirely new OL in F.A. because whoever is under Center will get a clobbering.

greth,

You're wasting your time. yg, knows all. You can't tell him. The next time he learns something new will be the first time.

Thanks for re-affirming what we've all been trying to tell him, though. In the meantime, we can continue to listen to the endless posts about why trading for Peyton Manning makes so much sense.

If Manning is released. Almost guaranteed that Browns, Redskins and Dolphins would all put in claims and have a chance to be awarded the waiver.

Question would be waiver priority and that would probably take one of the 3 teams out of the running for a 1st round QB.

DA,

A prospective trade partner has until March to make that Manning assessment. A lot of things can happen between the end of the seasona nd March when Manning's option and roster bonus is due.

You are correct in the fact that it is pretty much wait and see right now. Im pretty much exploring possibilities. We're not in an "all in" situation on anything right now, except the undeniable fact we do need a top level qb.

We just need to explore the best way to skin that cat.

Armando, your only as good as your sources. With the dysfunctional Dolphins changing often your information becomes eratic and not reliable. Obviously keeping Ireland has to do with Parcells influence causing inept recruiting of certain players like Chad Henne, Pat White and Patrick Turner. My guess is that Ross does not completely trust Ireland to make personnel recruiting decisions alone. The good news is that Sparano will no longer be making in game planning decisions and personnel moves like bringing in Marc Colombo who will certainly not be a Dolphin next season.

how long has db's and craig m's feud been going on.?.lol

2 watt made me laugh @ 11:57, lol

DA - you are spot on!

No one will pass on a chance to draft a franchise QB to grab Manning, without seeing him perform when the bullets are flying.

Sure he will release video of him throwing the perfect "out route" with his shorts on inside a dome.

I want to see him under fire...with Cameron Wake tossing him to the ground like a rag doll.

This is Peyton's THIRD NECK SURGERY! and the most serious of them all.

Sorry guys, he is damaged goods and I recommend we STAY AWAY from any Peyton Manning trade talks.

CraigM,

Dumbass, Geth just confirmed some of the things I said. You place everything in stone, I say thing could change. Can you read:

"Of course, Manning could give the Colts some relief by agreeing to postpone the due date, if only by a few days".

THEN:

"If there’s a team that he’d like to play for and if that team is willing to pay him $28 million to walk through the door, why tie his new team’s hands by forcing the new team to give up two first-round picks or more to the Colts? Those picks could be used to help improve Manning’s new team".

How does King know the Colts would ask 2 1st rd'ers? I guess the same way he knew the Dolphins were going to a SB when he picked them! LOL

CraigM you just keep probving what an idiot you are son! ROTFLMAO!

We need a referee in here

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NHFINSFAN | December 22, 2011 at 11:38 AM


Upon declaring for the NFL draft a player must sign paperwork forgoing eligibility and amateur status. It's a done deal regarding Griffin.

Even Peter King's an idiot if he thinks the Colts will ask 2 1st rd'ers for Manning. No one will pay that to have a qb for 3-4yrs max.

It would mean they're not seriously looking to move him.

YG....fvck Peyton...his best days are behind him.

I want a franchise QB drafted this year that can bond with our new HC.

If Manning is released. Almost guaranteed that Browns, Redskins and Dolphins would all put in claims and have a chance to be awarded the waiver. Question would be waiver priority and that would probably take one of the 3 teams out of the running for a 1st round QB.

greth | December 22, 2011 at 11:55 AM

Manning would be terminated in that scenario making him an automatic F.A. no way the Colts P.R. Machine does him like that nor does it make sense for them in trade value and attempting to control were he lands. Can you imagine Manning landing in Tenn which is close to his N.O. home and were he played his College ball ?? They also have very good pieces and with Manning would instantly compete in the AFC South were the Colts fans would have Polian and company for breakfast.

YG....fvck Peyton...his best days are behind him.
I want a franchise QB drafted this year that can bond with our new HC.
Posted by: NHFINSFAN | December 22, 2011 at 12:07 PM

So, your saying Peyton's best "Bonding" days are behind him?

That's funny, I thought we were looking for a guy that throws TD's and wins games?

Bonding you say? Alright(ya learn something new everyday)!

Bonding is Fun!!!!

..The Griffen story that came out said that he was seriously considering making a run(no pun intended) for next years Olympic team. Everyone knows he has WORLD class speed. He was thinking of exploring his options. This had nothing to do with him going back to college, but skipping the draft this year to prepare for the Olympics.

Now, I don't think for a second that Griffen is actually serious about this..I could be wrong. But the best bet is that he will be in New York in April waiting to shake the hand of the commisioner.

I agree with odin, BONDING??? What exactly does that mean???

Im still very dubious on our chances to pick a top rated QB in the draft. Luck, Barkley, and RG3 are at the top, then a large dropoff. The good news is we have 2 tough games to end the season, and are both likely losses, NE pretty much guarenteed.
The bad news is the other teams in front of us don't have easy schedules either:
**Cleveland = Balt, & Pitt. They'll end up in front of us. Pray they love McCoy.
**Jacksonville = Tenn & Indy. They beat Indy, but stay in front of us. Pray they feel obligated to Gabbert.
**Washington = Minn, & Phil. They beat Minn and move back a slot. YAAAAY!
**Buffalo = Den & NE. Lose both prob. they're in fron of us. Can we start a "Fitzy is still great" campaign for them?
**St. Louis, Minn and Indy are still way too far ahead. But I think only Indy is really wanting a QB.
Sooooo ... best predictions =
Worst pick is #5 Qb. Best pick is #2.
I think it'll be somewhere in between, like #4. I just see Barkely and RG3 being too tempting to pass on. ASSUMING Barkely comes out. Gut tells me he's staying.

With all the TV money, one would think, the fans would get a small break in a very pricey game ticket? Didnt think so. Ross and the gang(NFL) will one day kill the goose that laid the goldent egg, ie fans. With all the penaltys, suspensions for playig football, helmet to helmet hits, et al. I get sick and tired of seeing a false start when a linemen shakes in his stance, its almost that bad. And the block in the back, what a silly penalty. A block is a block, except for clipping.

odinseye...imagine this:

New HC is implementing his new schemes for both offensive & defensive coaches.

New OC - what O-scheme are we implementing?
New HC - uh...let me check with Peyton.
Peyton - Whatever play I call at the line
New HC - well alrighty then!
New OC - this is going to be a long season

Darryl,

I hadn't heard the story about the Olympics, I do know he already declared and waived eligibility, like you I believe at the end of the day it could simply be a publicity stunt to trump his all world athletic ability.

NH @12:20,

I see your point now but no matter were Manning goes it will be his show or the highway, regardless of who the HC is.

On the bonding front, here are some prime examples:

Brady/Belichick
Brees/Payton
Rogers/McCarthy
Rothlisberger/Tomlin
Manning/Dungy

Coaches and QB's on the same page on almost every play.
Spending hours together in the closed office scheming, planning, BONDING! (no touching allowed).

'Peter King's an idiot for thinking the Colts would want 2 firsts for Manning. No one would that for a QB for 3-4 years max'.

If Carson Palmer had played any better isn't that EXACTLY what the Raiders would have given up for him? As it is it's going to end up being a 1st and a 2nd. At 34 years old and looking evry bit that....EXACTLY how long do you think Palmer's going to last?

Honest to God....you couldn't make this stuff up witht his guy!....unbelievable!! Where's kris when I need him?

Craig @ 11:43, I agree 1000000000% we can't afford to be passive here. As much as some people don't think 3 or 4 qbs won't go in the top 5 or 6 picks, I think 3 will for sure. Look what happened last year. Locker and Ponder were projected by "the experts" to go much lower. A couple of franchises liked the guys and took them ASAP. That's all it takes. We could easily see a run of qbs much too early and much too often.

I like your prediction of Manning to Washington. Hope it happens to free guys up to us although I think if we miss out on the top 3, I would take Bradford or Manning in a second.

yg from 12:02 pm,

How do you figure Gerth is arguing YOUR point? You really are dellusional! He said EXACTLY what I've been saying and he backed it up with Peter King's story. Care to ask Gerth is he's arguing your side?

As I said, $30 million bonus is due to
Manning, third day of the season. He could extend that dealine but why would he? The team is forcing him out after many years of loyal service and is getting ready to draft his replacement. Makes no sense to ALSO ask his new team to give up picks. If I'm not mistaken I believe Manning also has a no-trade clause in his contract. What would Manning choose to do any of that when he could just seek his release and start anew.

Bradford traded, Manning traded, Long traded...you guys need to get a hobby.HHAHAHA

Mark,

I've seen the light. Ive fought it for long enough. It's time to buy in and get afressive as far as a young QB goes. I've seeing what's happened in Cinci, in Denver and to some extent in Carolina. I should also mention what I've seen since Moore's taken over and Buffalos fist six games. Team's resond to young aggeessive QBS. The rest of the team plays harder. Do what they have to do to get that guy and do not be out bid by Washington, Cleveland or anybosy else.

Sorry I was so slow to see this...

fin4life

1. There was a year, may not have been his 2nd, but early on when Peyton and the Colts regressed badly. How else did they draft Dwight Freeney 10th or 11th overall? That's what I was referring to.

2. I only put out the Bradford scenario if the Rams overtake the Colts for the 1st overall pick and are presented with Luck. This scenario may be answered tonight.

3. It's perplexing how bad the Rams line is considering the number of top picks they've spent on it during the last few years. Myabe they wish they didn't release Richie. He's been awesome for Miami. Roger Saffold in 2010, Jason Smith in 2009 both taken in the top 2 rounds. Saffold, first pick of the 2nd round, Smith 2nd overall.

Darryl, if Griffen is really considering trying for the Olympics then forget about him as a football player, period! This sport and that position are so demanding that he needs to eat, drink, live, breathe the sport 24 hours a day to be effective. If he does this, he will go the way of the guy who started ahead of Brady at Michigan who would've been an All Pro but quit to be a Yankee then came back but it was too late - Drew Henson. You can't make the time up. Once you leave, it's over.

JS, we stay ahead of Buffalo in draft order is we both lose out.

Vann, this is our hobby.

Mark,

The year your referring to with Manning was 2002, the year after the Pats 1st S.B. Title. I remember it was a Monday Night game were the Defending Champ Pats played the Colts in I believe week 4 when The Edge blew out his knee and the Colts regressed badly.

Your 100% right referring to the high picks on the Rams OL, especially J.Smith who was supposed to be a physical phenom. If you sat through the Monday nighter a week ago between the Rams and Seahawks then you saw that the interior of the OL is were alot of pressure comes from Vs. the Rams.

I wonder if a switch to RT isn't in the cards with J.Smith, Saffold is a big under achiever though. Given the needs that team has just figure a trade to load up on talent across the board makes more sense for them.

Mark,

I'll give you something else to get excited about.....maybe even a more exciting scenario for this team. If the Rams end up picking first, would you trade Jake Long straight up for the right to the first overall pick. OK, before you jump through your computer screen and say 'YES', think about it for a second. Makes a lot of sense. Rams biggest problem is their ofensive line (some would argue that it's their receivers but keeping Bradford upright seems more likely). So they get perhaps the best LT in the game, solves a huge problem for them and they keep the QB who has worked in that offence for the last three years. We get the QB we want, this gives us a re-do on the whole Ryan/Long debate and as you said we get the best LT with the 8th pick. It's a lot for us to give up but it is Andrew Luck.

People will say it doesn't work money-wise but it's not that bad. Most of Long's contract is gone (sogning bonuses and years etc...) and same with Bradford. I actually like this scenario better than trading for Bradford. Rams could also pick a wide receiver with the first pick of the second round ir trade back into the first. I like it.

Hahaha, Craig, good stuff.

By the way, Carolina is very close to breaking through. if that team was a stock, I'd be buying it in large amounts.

I'll add to that trade. We also need a RT. Rams send us Saffold to play the position. We could send back whoever to make it work. Smith and Misi? Starks. Fill in the blank. We have our RT, starting QB, just need our LT. Smith moves to RT in St. Louis where I thin he's better suited, Long takes over at LT and Bradford gets to live again. Helps both teams in a big way....

This is the type of stuff I would like to see Ireland exploring. Not the same safe stuff that has yet to produce that franchise QB. Welcome to Miami....Andrew Luck!

Mark,
I don't doubt your sources, but how do we go ahead of Buffalo when we beat them twice?
Count me Confused.

Cmon guys trading J Long should be off limits.

Craig M @1:09,

That scenario makes perfect sense given the needs the Rams have along the front 7 as well while in my book only giving a fading Starks really. Misi is the classic tweener have to see which Tackles are available in F.A. nest year as well.

Spiderman,

This team has been to the playoffs ONCE in the last ten years. Nothing should be off-limits. What's the worst that could happen?.....we don't go to the playoffs? That's exactly where we find ourselves....

Craig, if the Rams were open to this, not only would I send them Long but my first born as well.

fin4life,

Just a thought. Not really original....it's more Mark's idea. I just like it better than the scenario he presented. I need to see more Bradford to believe. I see a lot more from a guy like Drew Stafford right now, than I do from Bradford.

Players needing to get stronger for next year: Pouncey, Charles Clay, Clyde Gates.

JS, it's because Buffalo has a greater strength of shedule than we do. Head to head record does not factor into draft order.

Craig M, It's really about the intangebles that Long brings to the team, leadership quailites and dont forget dude's a warrior. Giving up the best LT in the game when healthy isnt going to solve the many problem the Dolphins have.

Let's see what the final draft order is before we start tossing out fake trade deals....

Guys,

Im only throwing Manning out there as a viable option. How much of an option it is greatly depends on the actual draft positioning at season's end.

Consider this Per JSLA:

Worst pick is #5 Qb. Best pick is #2.
I think it'll be somewhere in between, like #4. I just see Barkely and RG3 being too tempting to pass on. ASSUMING Barkely comes out. Gut tells me he's staying.
Posted by: JS in LA | December 22, 2011 at 12:18 PM

So per our actual draft positioning a Manning trade could be more appealing than taking the #5 rated qb. But having a chance per our final draft positioning to get Barkley or RGIII, of course you go with that.

None of us know our actual draft positioning and what teams ahead of will do. If not able to get Barkley or RGIII straight up, its better to trade down, pick up a extra 2nd rd'er, and trade the devalued 1st rd pick to Indy if they'll accept.

It's better than trading up, losing a 2nd rd pick, and get a guy who wont be the starter next year anyway. Chances are greater Matt Moore will be 2012's starting qb.

Spiderman,

I love Jake Long. Probably my favourite player on the team. It's why I defend him so much when the Long/Ryan debate comes up. He's everything you'd want in a LT.

The reality is though that this team has been 7-9 the last two years and doubtful that they even get there this year. It's not Long's fault by any means but it's the old addage, you have to give something up to get something. Luck could be the next Manning. We don't know. I think this is something the Rams would look hard at and if we could expand it to include a RT, like Smith or Saffold, then all the better.

We can always draft a qb #1 in 2013 with a year or two under Manning. this way we win now and in the future.

With Manning in fold, 2013 would be the best year to trade the draft house for a franchise qb.

yg,

Why don't you tell JS in LA, he's a dumbass because his gut tells him Barkley is staying in school and we're all 99.9999% certain he's coming out. Come on man....sing that tune you sing so well.....do it!

Craig fair arguement.

So Mark,

What you're really saying is, you're on the fence in that trade scenario?....LOL. I thought you might like that idea....LOl.

Spiderman,

Just to be clear, I'm not advocating this move. I still like the idea of trading up to get a QB and keeping Long. Love the guy! Just saying, what if Barkley or RGIII don't come out. Then what? Landry Jones? Sproles?

I just think Ireland has to look into every possibility. It's what you want your GM to be doing.

Geez, Craig. I said I had a gut feeling, not a source.
He's making his announcement in 2.5 hours, but he's doing in from campus. He's been struggling with the decision for months, and next year he'll have a chance to permanently place USC back in the national championship spotlight after severe penalties have torn the credibility of his beloved USC.
Just a hunch.
If he was planning to leave, I'd say he'd do the announcement off campus where he wouldn't have to face the crowd afterwards.
Hope he comes out personally.

Craig, if RG3 or Barkley don't come out we shouldn't even take a QB in the first round, go with BPA.

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