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What Dan Marino REALLY said on his podcast

Yesterday I shared with you Dan Marino's take on Bill Cowher and the quote he gave dolphins.com relative to whether Bill Cowher would be coming back to coaching or not.

The folks at the website made the media aware of the quote on their podcast through emails. They included the podcast link and a transcript of the pertinent quote from Marino that gave strong indication Cowher is to be believed he's not coaching in 2012 and that Marino thus believes his CBS collegue.

This is part of that transcript sent over by the folks at dolphins.com that was of most interest. Marinno is speaking of Cowher here:

"... I don't think his mindset is that he wants to coach again. And he may change that over time but my feeling is that he's a pretty straightforward guy that tells the truth all the time and he said on TV that he doesn't have any plans to come back (to Coach) and I believe him."

Great. So Marino says Cowher is an honest guy and so he believes he won't coach.

Except that's not what Marino actually said. I listened to the podcast this morning. And this is what Marino actually said:

"... I don't think his mindset is that he wants to coach again. And he may change that over, you know, time now but my feeling is that he's a pretty straightforward, you know, guy that tells a kind of the truth most of the time, I would say, or all the time, and he said on TV that he doesn't have any plans to come back and I believe him."

Not a huge deal, but believing a person who tells the truth all the time is a lot easier than believing a guy who tells a kind of truth most of the time.

I wanted to correct the record because a couple of you who listened to the podcast noticed the difference between what Marino said and the transcript and pointed out.

Does that mean Cowher will coach in 2012? Not necessarily. Does it mean he will coach the Dolphins? I keep hearing from people in NFL circles that he will not.

But what Marino actually said leaves wiggle room that the transcript didn't.

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Guys, I've got an idea - Ross pretends to be "up with the times" so how about we pick a day to make

"#DOLPHINSWANTCHUDZINSKI"

trending on twitter? let's show Ross that Dolphins fans can be a lethal coordinated group of summmabeaches

adrian s - Yeah, and the season before Baltimore was 13-3....when was the last time Miami has posted such a record?

There were numerous things that played into the disaster that was the 2007 for Billick and the Ravens.

I wash my lizard in the shower...especially if I used it the night before. Coast soap seems to 'wake' it up, nicely!


AndyNJ - (responding from previous thread)

The offense in Baltimore was not all his doing. He didn't call the shots in RE to personnell. That would be Ozzie Newsomes deal....The Wizard's philosophy is "right player at right price". Ozzie built a stunning defense, but didn't spend a great deal of time dealing with offensive issues.

Of course, you also have to go back to that era and look at the general philosophy of the NFL....play defense and pound the rock...that's what Baltimore did.

I have no idea how much influence Billick had in personnell matters. I've heard Ozzie is pretty easy to work with, so I imagine he had a great deal of input...but Ozzie has final say.

Ozzie made some collasal errors after the 2006 season in waiving Jamal Lewis...and failure to re-sign Adalius Thomas and Ovie Mughelli (hey, it happens even to the best)....and that, more than anything and coupled with a bad draft lead to the disasterous 2007 season...afterwhich, Billick was shown the door.

Yes I just seek in wikipedia, and yes was Brian Billick the HC of the Ravens the 2007 season, and was the only team the Dolphins could defeat the 2007 season.
I do remember the very bad clock management and the bad HC decisions that help us winning that game.
It's very easy to win a car race with the best car and the best team, but, when is the opposite is when the real driver skills are show up.

So I don't like at all Brian Billick.


AndyNJ @ 12:19 - (from previous thread)

I disagree....Billicks offense was about as imaginative as you can get with the Ravens given the "groceries" he had to work with. He had much more talent in Minnesota to work with, so he could do a whole lot more.

Can't cook a gourmet meal when all you have is beans and weenies. You can only hope to dress it up a little with some garnish and make it presentable.

@ adrian s - Again....never mind anything he had ever done previously! Glad you're not the boss....one error and you're out!

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WOFMANN 13, DO YOU WORK AT BURGER KING?

Well, if there's a place called Royal Palm Beach I have certainly never heard of it. I believe you have fabricated this.

Aloco - hardly my friend! hardly! I am a quite succesfull CFO of a mid market company who happens to be enjoying a bit of down time with the holiday season.

wolfman, Ozzie did spend some high picks on offense - Ogden, Travis Taylor, jamal Lewis, Todd Heap, Kyle Bowler, etc. But it was the inability to find the QB that didn't really lead to getting as much out of that offense as possible.

DO YOU THINK I DO NOT KNOW YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT YOUR PENIS WITH THE SOAP?.,.I AM SURE YOU ALL TALK ABOUT YOUR PENIS AND OTHERS ALL THE TIME BUT ANY WAYS GOD ZILLA IS AN IGAUNA NOT A LIZARD SO YOU ARE STUPID ANY WAYS..,..SAME ALL DAY DRUNK AND JOBLESS GANG OF DEFEAT AS ALLWAYS.

wolfman1313,

You're one of the guys on here I enjoy reading the most and seem to have the closest viewpoints too. Sorry, been busy today. Do you have Billick near the top of your list? I think he's be an interesting choice and while I don't mind it, there's a couple of things I don't like about him. His arrogance is one thing. I wonder a bit how that would play with the players. I could see it causing divides. And I think he got a bit lucky having such a good defence in Baltimore. For a guy who's supposed to be an offensive genius, I just didn't see it with his teams. Ton of talent to work with in Minnesota, so he's not getting anything for that. But I just never saw him develop Kyle Boller the way he should have. I think I'm on the fence with Billick. For me he's likely in that second or third tier group.

Chucky is a guy that would be high on my list. If he could stick to coaching, work with Ireland in tandem and not blow up at people all the time, I think he would be an EXCELLENT choice. I think he's got exactly what I'd be looking for in terms of fire and motivation and strategizing. The knock on him seems to be his personnel moves and unpredictability. If he could keep all that in check, for my money he would be right up there with Fisher.

Aloco, Are you drinking with Mr. Odin And Yesterdays gone?, Two names that should never be mentioned with the word "Great" Randy Shannon and Jacory Harris.

wolfman, I know a finance VP at Burger King, he does quite well. Maybe that's what ALoco meant? hahaha, doubt it ....

Hmmmm.... for a prospective coach (the 2 so far) that have declined, and the other Premier Coaches (J.Johnson, N.Saban)to leave so rapidly strikes me as weird. There must be some unspoken issues with the Dolphins Organization (Owners, BM etc.) that nobody wants to admit.

This organization was one of the best for many years, up there with SF, Dallas, Pittsburgh and now we can't even lure a Premier Coach to it.

This is Sad...

wolfman13 thank you for the reply.

But take Don Shula, I remember late in the 70's the Dolphins was an hospital, but the clock management, the game preparations, the decisions and the adjustments was very good, clean. The executions was other story. I think we finished 7-7 or something.
Or take the firsts seasons of Dick Vermiel with the Rams.
I don't judge a coach by the over all results, because is a team game, and the coaches actually don't play. But there are details in coaching that's make the difference.

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Mother has also never heard of Royal Palm Beach. She happens to LIVE in Palm Beach proper (NOT across the causeway, mind you) and agreed with me this fable is absolute rubbish.

Go try to fool others with your fanciful, made up places!

Apparently it sacrilege to say anything bad about Dan the Man....I think that's funny. Listen, his playing career is over....he's fair game. My point is for a guy who gets paid to sound intelligent on TV, he gets a D-. If it was Sparano you'd all be having a filed day.

Slight double standard?....

As much as we all want to know who the next HC will be RIGHT NOW, let's settle down and deal with the first issue: who will lead football operations? As the Herald pointed out in another article, there is negotiation for Peterson to be the new executive VP of football operations. If this happens, that will certainly diminish Ireland's capacity. Secondly, in negotiation with a 'star' coach, Ross may compromise and allow the coach to have final say on personnel decision. This would further neutralize Ireland to the point that he's nothing more than a day-to-day pencil pusher who executes decisions made by Peterson and the new HC. Who knows, it's too early to tell and all we can do is speculate.

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The only coach that would be willing to come to Miami is a coach collecting a paycheck. As long as Ireland is running the show, no *good* coach will want to come to Miami to play second fiddle to Ireland.

PS...since Tony Suckrano has been fired I am now Jeff Suckland.

Hey, hi Clue. how are you doing?

Posted by: Ceece | December 15, 2011 at 12:38 PM

Yea, everyone knows this team has no desire to have an elite QB.

And they want no piece of it.

As a fan I can't blame them.

wolfman,

I guess we are going to agree to disagree. I wouldn't want Billick as one of my top choices but I wouldn't be ticked off if he were hired. I would take it and hope for the best and hope the spark he once had as OC in Minnesota was found again.

Mangini I would cut my eyes out with a spoon.

Craig, of course there is a double standard. Dan Marino has earned immunity. Sparano, not so much.

Craig M -

I'm actually a Gruden guy....but that's pure fantasy from everything I've read and heard on a variety of media.

In terms of realistic prospects, Billick is my top for "named coaches"

Of course, there are a plethora of assistants out there to look at as well.

ok would like to see the Dolphins get back to a winning organization.

Marino was a breathtaking talent who we were privileged to have as our quarterback for nearly two decades, but I don't think it's unfair to say nobody will ever be calling him a genius. I met him once---and while it was a thrill he wasn't very impressive as an extemporaneous speaker. I didn;t dare try to make small talk with him as I felt it would have been impossible, sadly.

That said, he's matured into a great citizen...generous to numerous charities...and has built a nice career in television. Dan Marino is a South Florida treasure. Brilliant? Hardly. But that's not the full measure of the man even if it's entirely fair to point it out.

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Mark,

Not in my book. Warrior, leader, winner, Hall of Famer on the field. Off the field....not that much better than Terry Bradshaw or Joe Theisman. If he wants to play in that industry then all bets are off and he gets measured with the best. Cowher has him beat in that depratment easily.

Mark in Toronto - agreed....they never resolved the QB situation in Baltimore. I bet Billick would have loved to have a Joe Flacco on his roster. Unfortunately, that also comes as a result of winning often and drafting high up the board...you're pretty much looking at 2nd tiere, developemental QBs at that point...unless you hit the jackpot.

Ironically, it was the epic failure of the 2007 season that lead to Billick's demise....and the drafting of Joe Flacco.

DJ, YOU TALK LIKE A EDUCATED MAN, ARE YOU A TEACHER?
( BUFFET OF KNOWLEDGE)

There should be a better level of elegant discourse here. Much of it is quite childish and pedantic, if you ask me.

And even if you did NOT ask me I shall say it regardless!

Aloco - I also like to cook....it's a nice hobby and it relaxes me.

No offense, Armando, but when God was handing out stories to bloggers today, you must have been taking a whizz.

I did teach years ago until the sucking sound that was my soul being ripped from my chest became too much to bear, lol.

I'm a music producer (and sometime bankroller) these days, of all things.

Thank you for the kind comments. Me try write good.

Aloco, you sound like a teacher too. Can you teach us all how to wash our lizards?

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(BUFFET OF GUESSES)

Ozzie Newsome is at or near the best in his profession. He's the benchmark. He doesn't run around and make stupid deals, or mortgage the future to appease the fanbase. He makes any coach he works with look good. Just solid pick after solid pick after solid pick. Haven't looked at his draft record but I bet he doesn't have as many misses as most guys.

For me it's still Fisher and then Gruden (with conditions) and after that I'm kind of lost. Not as down as Mangini as most of you but I also think he'd be the wrong choice for this team. Possibly a guy like Mike Zimmer would be high on my list but I'd want to explore guys like Bowles and Nolan more too.

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Aloco, Are you around 60?, I think that show was on in the 50s It was called "To Tell the truth".

Craig, DJ said it even better than I could. Sometimes you just got let shitt slide

My feeling is this:
If Cowher DOESN'T prefer to coach the Fins and we drop a suitcase of cash at his feet... how long before he decides he has enough cash and bolts.
if Cowher is just playing chicken with the media like so many coaches do in these situations, then fine.
I still maintain he's not option #1 though.
Honestly I like Fisher and Billick better than Cowher.
Schottenheimer is not likely to stay long term (age, history).
H. Edwards, Mangini don't have a decent enough resume' (although I'd go Edwards between the two).
Dungy isn't coming back, but if he did, remember, he was kicked out of town once, and nearly twice before Peyton became Peyton.
I want a coach who can handle a locker room, handle adversity, and have a game plan good enough to worry other coaches. He has to beat Belichik, and Ryan twice a year, plus Steelers, Ravens etc. Hungry, smart, confident coach.

NO I AM NOT OLD LIKE THE GANG OF DEFEAT AND IT WAS ON IN THE 1970S THE GAME SHOW TELL THEM THE TRUTH.,.IS IT THE SAME ONE YOU SAID? ///THE ONE I REMEMBER HAD THE VERY PRETTY LADY CALLED KITTY CARLILE ON IT

CHINA MAN COWER WILL TAKE THEE CASH FROM DROOPY DOGG ROSS AND LEVE AFTER 1 SEASON TO BE WITH HIS GIRLFRIND OPRAH WERE THEY WILL DRUNK PINA COLADS AND COUNT CASH ON APE ISLAND.

Ross said he wants a young Shula, and there's one out there. His name is Mike. Mike Shula.

I just gotta wonder why Bellick hasnt coached since 2007., Anyone know why?, And should the fins take him?, And I gotta say, Id rather have him then Mangini., Thoughts?

Ross couldn't believe the media was tracking his plane last year during the Harbaugh fiasco. You really think Ross knows what Twitter is?!

Ross is completely dumb and naive to what is going on.

IrelandSucks, How is Ross dumb when his a billionare? Calling Ross dumb is well dumb.

JS Well said, Whoever it is there going to earn there money, Hope its a young coach(35-40). Its gonna be rough, But there's a good core with the fins, I Hope these guys dont get blown out there last two games like last year, Then again who really cares?If the lose the next three a better draft pick(They might beat Buff. But forget New England And the last game, they'll just mail it in IMHO.

he's*

FPFG WENT FROM MARINATED ACORN GROUP TO DONKY BREGADE WITH HIS LASST POSTS.
(BUFFET OF UPGRADES)

Bellick over Mangini? Yes of course.
And taking Cowher off, and my preferences among coaches in the retirement, or at least not coaching now is this:
1.- Jeff Fischer
2.- Jon Gruden
3.- Brian Bellick
4.- Erick Mangini

Why Mangina? Do some of you miss Wannstedt that much. Thx Mark for the info.So long Dan Patrick and Jim Rome.

IrelandSucks, How is Ross dumb when his a billionare? Calling Ross dumb is well dumb.

Posted by: Spiderman

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Ross is an idiot as far as football operations. He may be a billionaire but that doesn't mean he knows how to own a football team. The way he handled the whole Harbaugh/Sparano thing last year just shows how incredibly stupid and naive this man is. He may be smart as far as real estate, but when it comes to football he is dumb.

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