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Dolphins concerned about capacity at Sun Life Stadium

The Dolphins visited The Herald offices Friday as part of a tri-county tour of the newspapers serving the region the team claims as its own.

During the meeting with Herald reporters club president Mike Dee, general manager Jeff Ireland and coach Joe Philbin discussed as openly as they felt comfortable issues of interest. The football aspect of the meeting is covered in this story that discusses, among other things, Miami's plan to use both the 3-4 and 4-3 scheme on defense in 2012, according to Philbin.

On non-football matters, Dee took the questions and discussed a coming Super Bowl bid by South Florida, stadium improvements, and other matters. And in discussing the need for stadium improvements, he mentioned the possibility that capacity at Sun Life Stadium needs to be adjusted.

The reason for that is, well, the Dolphins think the place is too big.

"We have the furthest distance from the sidelines with our lower bowl in the NFL," Dee said. "We have the fewest number of seats in that lower seating level between the 20 yard lines, between the goal lines, in the NFL. Not just the facilities that compete for Super Bowls. We've got to fix that ...

"At the same time, we may look to amend capacity in areas where we may have too much. Right now, we have the largest upper deck in the NFL -- 35,000 seats. The next facility in line is 27,000. The Redskins took 10,000 seats out of their upper deck this past year. We're looking at all those things to retrofit the stadium to today's standards."

That creates something of a problem for the Dolphins. And here it is:

The best way, the right way, to fix the capacity issues Dee mentions is through construction and refurbishing Sun Life Stadium. There's nothing like taking seats out of the upper deck that is too big. There's nothing like adding seats in the lower bowl that is not big enough. That is the optimal approach.

But that costs money. And neither the legislature, nor local politicians are volunteering to pay for that. The public would likely vote down a ballot measure for such expenditure. And owner Stephen Ross is in no hurry to spend the multiple millions of dollars it would cost to do the project.

So the reconstruction idea doesn't seem workable.

What's next?

Well, I don't know how the Dolphins would add seats in the lower level without actually adding seats physically, but they can definitely adjust the numbers of seats in the upper deck without actually touching the place. They can simply ask the NFL to consider certain seats basically invisible. The Dolphins can just lower capacity by giving the NFL a new capacity number and then not selling, say 10,000 seats in the upper deck, for at least one season.

Other teams -- Jacksonville for example -- have done it. Unable to fill an extreme number of seats, the Jaguars just threw a tarp over whole sections of seating. The Hurricanes do it at Sun Life for their home games. The Miami Heat did it for a couple of years before LeBron James and Chris Bosh joined Dwyane Wade on the roster and seating demand skyrocketted.

The Dolphins can simply pick out a section of seats and cover the area. Or they can just black out certain seats or sections from being sold and those would simply be empty on game day.

All of this, by the way, affects you -- the ticket buying customer.

You see, as the Dolphins figure a way to attack this problem, the capacity of the stadium hangs in the balance. If the club is successful in lowering that capacity, either through construction, putting a tarp over sections of seats, or simply blacking out seats electronically, then achieving a sellout becomes easier.

Games are on TV!

You get to watch!

If the Dolphins don't find a way to lower capacity, and the tickets go unsold, the club would have to make a decision whether to rescue local TV-watching fans -- as it did multiple times in 2011 -- by purchasing its own tickets.

I have news for you: The club really doesn't love purchasing its own tickets. No business wants to buy its own product. It is not profitable. And that might lead to a decision not to purchase the unsold tickets. And that means ... no games on TV!

Your Sunday is ruined :(

So the looming decision on how the Dolphins address their stadium capacity issue, particularly in the upper deck, is a big deal to folks who watch the games on TV -- which happens to be a majority of fans. If capacity isn't decreased or ticket sales boom, the club may decide purchasing its own tickets is not a practice it wants to continue.

Blackouts ensue. Not good.

(Oh, one way to solve this without changing capacity? Sign Peyton Manning. Not advocating. Just stating logic.)


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The Giants are getting pumped up in their weight room for the SuperBowl and when you open the door to the room you here:

REO Speedwagon.

Posted by: Professor Lou | January 27, 2012 at 09:30 PM

A Musical Reference and I'm not getting it?

I hope I'm not catching what Oscar has!

REO SpeedWagon?

odinseye = #1 blog polluter.


Posted by: ALoco | January 27, 2012 at 09:56 PM

Yeah, if you include the Chick working the register......................

Hickory, Dickory, Dock..........WHOA!!!!

odinseye = #1 blog polluter.
Posted by: Sats | January 27, 2012 at 09:57 PM

Close, but no CIGAR pal!

Odin = The No. 1 POLLUTED Blogger!

Party! Party! Party! Party!


What do you get when you cross your Lizard with a Brown Donkey?




I don't know. I was just surprised that the music the Giants prefered to listen to during a weight training session was REO Speedwagon.
Kind of weird and wonderful all at the same time. Shows they are pretty loose for the game.


How did you come across this information?

Reo's early stuff was pretty solid and up tempo.

After Kevin Cronin caught his old lady screwing around, it got all corny and syruppy-Uhggggggggggggggh!

Funny thing though, they made way more money off the corn ball crap.

I'll go with the earlier 157 Riverside Ave and Flying Turkey Trot any day!

The Miami Dolphins now have one of the most solid staffs in the league. If you put into perspective what they have been able to accomplish by bringing in Philbin as the Head Coach and then getting Sherman and Coyle as the offensive and defensive coordinators, respectively, it was nothing short of a great feat.
Some are critical of Ross at times, and I can understand that, but they went out and assembled a coaching staff that could end up being one of the best trio's in the league within 2 years.

It was on NFL.com. Albert Breer is at their training facility.

Dear Professor Lou

For someone with a P.H.D. you should know better then to quote anything with REO Speedwagon when clearly a Bay City Rollers quote would have been a better fit.

I now revoke your Tenure at Dolphins in Depth Blog university.

Blog President Soiled :)


Posted by: ALoco | January 27, 2012 at 10:05 PM

Where I live, it takes at least 45 minutes just to get to a Burger King. With my Kids and being in a hurry sometimes I wish there was one closer.

I don't know about all the finer things in life, but I did recently get a VERY lucrative Contract with the County. I have to be on call a lot more, but it's worth it.

I was also able to close down my shop and now I use it for personal Maintenence almost exclusively.

It's all GOOD!


Can you imagine the Giants in the weight room listening to the Bay City Rollers? That would be something to see.

There you go!

Soiled and I BOTH posted at the same EXACT time 10:18.

Soiled you are NOT me! I'm not you either!

PS: If you change the E in Soiled to I, you get: SOLID!!!!


Party! Party! Party! Party!

The pizza man is gone. The show is now being run by the Guiness Group.

"The best way, the right way, to fix the capacity issues Dee mentions is through construction and refurbishing Sun Life Stadium."

The best way to solve the problem is to win.

Mr. Odineye and Professor Lou

I'll give REO SpeedWagon credit for "157 Riverside Ave", but I also give the Bay City Rollers credit for "Saturday Night"

And agreed Mr. Odinseye you have cleared my good name and you have cleared...ummmm your name :)..J/K

Soiled :)

Yeah, THANKS...ummmmmm I think?

PS: I still think Flying Turkey Trot is the most underated instrumental/Guitar Solo of ALL TIME!

Well, when the Giants lose.........I'm blaming it on REO SpeedWagon.

I got it on good authority, Brady has everyone jamming out on Pantera!

Bellicheat keeps asking: "DimeBag" WHO.....????

Mando...you ARE a good sport, as was mentioned.

Anyhow, ALL the talk on local sports radio here is how the peeps all are on the "Get Peyton for the Titans bandwagon."
And the Titans HAVE a better than average QB in Matt Hasselbeck, and an exciting 1st year player in Jake Locker.
So all you folks ragging those of us who feel a HEALTHY, pass his physical Peyton Manning would be a bad thing, kindly stow it.

2 years like the one with Pennington would be fine by me.

I'm not a Pats fan! But...Brady is THE DUDE, and I'd sniff his butthole given the opportunity.

Yeah, if you put that crap product on the field, the stadium is way too big. They had more people at the Heat game tonight then go to Dolphins games.

Professional sports teams need to stop blowing smoke at fans, cities, and the media. An NFL franchise can make whatever improvements it wants to their stadium. To get Public support they need to be winning. The Dolphins have not won enough to solicit any additional support from the city or anyone else involved with public funding. Let Billionaire Ross upgrade his playground.

Ireland cant supply the talent, the QB, or the HC to win. So Ross will continue buying his own tickets.

They should never have left the Orange Bowl.

I leave you morons without me for 24 hours.
I've been checking in to see what you came up with without me: Nothing.

Neither kris nor Odin nor Dusty nor Devil nor Aloco nor Lou nor CM etc were able to come up with ANYTHING.
Just a bunch of stupid, broke-ass, do-nothing, MF's

I'm not a Pats fan! But...Brady is THE DUDE, and I'd sniff his butthole given the opportunity.

Posted by: odinseye | January 27, 2012 at 10:47 PM

WTF? My impostor is a 3rd grader?

If that is the real you: If Mallet was so good and will be the best QB why don't we offer our first pick for him?

I'm pretty sure it's kris doing the imitations around here.
Let's face it all of the guys named kris with a 'k' that I know are Jewish.

I was never sold on Mallet.

Getting him instead of Daniel Thomas would have been fine with me. Coulda, woulda, shoulda......

Trading a first rounder for Mallet would be a gigantic risk. But, so are any of the others available save Luck and maybe RGIII.

I think I would target one of the 2nd rounders this year. That's if we don't go after Flynn or Manning.

Ultimately, I don't think Bellicheat trades Mallet, not even for a 1st rounder. He's set pretty good on draft picks right now and at the QB position as well.

-The REAL Odin-

Any minute now kris will start posting under cover as 'big donor' or 'E320' or some other weak b ullsh it.
I have few words for kris:

' yo get back on the loading dock your 8 minute break is over'

We can go into the archives and show who wept/cried/acted-out for Mallet.
If we could get any of the following for our first round pick Mallet, RG3, Flynn, would we not take Mallet?
Why is no one other than me talking about htis?

this not htis

Well retards?
Where is all of the wisdom?
Where are all of the big name FAS signings?
Where is the all-star coaching staff?

According to Philbin Sherman gave him his first 'job'.
Sherman was also his English teacher.
Does anyone else see a reason to be alarmed?

Does anyone besides me see it?

woozy-wowzy-woes....... bad luck is my only good luck. ):

Or RG3 Mando

I wonder if Todd Bowles ends up with the Jets now? Or maybe Daboll with the Pats?

Really sucks that for the last decade our season has either ended with bitter disappointment or new to later be fired coaching staffs.

I'll tell ya what really sucks!

The only time I'll drive drunk is when I'm drunk and wanna drive!

Jagermeister, what else?

Yesterday's Gone,
Peyton to the ravens?! NEVER happen. They already have a very good QB, who is not the reason they are not in the Super Bowl.

Why not simply lower the ticket prices until we begin winning?
The loss in revenue by closing seating could just be used to lower the ticket price instead and then the seats might just get filled with eager drinkers who buy food etc!

Mando, you missed the most obvious impact on fans regarding lowering the number of available seats - the potential lost revenue by the team! Less seats to sell means less money coming in. The result is one of two things - either ticket prices go up for everyone else to recoup the lost revenue, or the team has less money to spend on free agents, coaches, and draft picks! I agree the seats are too far away from the sidelines - that was to allow for the stadium to be configured for baseball. That does need to change!



Do you know any players that will talk to you about the hiring of the new coach.....

Or the staff.....will they tell you they're thoughts....give you a sound bite.....even some phony-baloney....."were sad we couldn't do better for Sporano......but were really excited to play for Coach Philbin".....or something like that.....

It must suck now that JT has retired......no more inside source.....

Armando....this might be one of the worst topics you have written..... It closely rivals you telling us about the possible name change in 2015.....

This topic=zzzzzzzzzzzz

Here are some suggestions.....

What are the chances Henne re-signs.....is he open to being 3rd string.....

Does Matt Moore feel that he should be the unchallenged starter....

If Moore is not the unchallenged starter....will he ask for a trade....

What does b. Marsh plan to do about all the drops last year.....surely he cost us a game or 2....how does he plan to correct it...

What are Ross's expectations this upcoming season.....what will he consider success.....

Will Nolan give you any insight to what he was dealing with the last 2 years.....I would lode to know.....

Philbin is a former OL guy.....has he watched the tape on Columbo....if so what are his thoughts.....

Just some thoughts and suggestions Armando......do with them what u will....

There are known remedies for People with bipolar disorders.


Posted by: JOE PHILBIN'S CLIPBOARD | January 28, 2012 at 07:27 AM

this is yesterdays news. another blogger who doesn't read the blog to see his comment has been made numerous times already. short attention span society, people read maybe the last three posts and start jabbering.

Oscar....if I'm bipolar....then you must be schitzo......to have so many sign in names....

Pot. Meet. Kettle.

The only SICK RETARD here is,

PriceMaster, aka Rainbow


NO PEYTON MANNING!!! Too high of a risk with his neck. Root for Matt Flynn with Matt Moore the back up. UNless RGIII is available.


I don't like involving myself in any petty blog feud but your reference about Kris with a "K" being a Jewish name (I imagine you meant to say K I K E ) is out of line. I'm NOT Jewish and have my difference of opinion with their policies in the West Bank and along that Hemisphere but respect their Faith and right to practice it like I do with a backward Evangelical like Newt Gingrich without resorting to name calling and mud slinging. I believe Mel Gibson is on the line for you, seems he needs the company!


Sure YOU MUD Sling.

Backward A_SS LIAR.


Gizz Salguero, this is the most boring piece of journalism I've ever read !
Your style is getting floppy pal !

PriceMaster, Fin4life.

Cancer, to this blog.

Ha! The stadium is too big! Good one. It's not he stadium, its a mostly apathetic fan base. Buffalo has a 75,000 seat stadium and a metro areas of slightly over 1 million. Rochester, just an hour east, also has a metro area of a little over 1 million.

So you're talking about a population base of about 2.1-2.2 million within an hour of the stadium. This is a team that was last in the playoffs over 10 years ago. In those ten years, you could probably count the number of non-slouts on your fingers. Thats a fan base. Thats support.

Meanwhile, within an hour of Joe Robbie Stadium, over 5 million. Most of the time it looks as though some meaningless bowl game is being played in a half filled stadium. Sad.

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