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The absence of a good QB option hurts on field, off

Jimmy Johnson wanted to get back into coaching in 1996 and he wanted to do it in Florida so he looked around the landscape of possible jobs and weighed the Tampa Bay Bucs and Miami Dolphins. In Tampa, he had more cap room, a budding great defense with youngsters Warren Sapp, Derrick Brooks and John Lynch, and the promise of a new stadium.

In Miami, Johnson saw Dan Marino.

Johnson picked the Dolphins. And he did it primarily because he believed Marino could get him to the Super Bowl quicker than anyone on the Tampa roster playing quarterback at the time could. Johnson figured he could build a team around the quarterback easier than find the quarterback to build the team around.

Yes, he was wrong because Marino would soon begin his decline.

But a team's quarterback situation was important for more than one reason all the way back then -- even before the NFL became a lubricated lightning strike league where teams can score four touchdowns in four minutes of playoff action as New Orleans and San Francisco did last weekend.

Fast forward to 2011. The Dolphins lost out on hiring Jeff FIsher a few days ago. And on Monday there was this in Peter King's Monday Morning Quarterback column in Sports Illustrated quoting Fisher:

"From day one, when I began this process after the season, I felt Miami and St. Louis were my best options. I did my research. I looked at every team that had an opening. I looked at the personnel on each team, I looked at the owners, I looked at the cap situations, and I narrowed it to two. Not Marvin. Me. Marvin didn't push me. I am convinced he was completely objective.''

Fisher went on to say at the start of the process he was interested in a team that had a good owner and good quarterback, and he felt St. Louis had the best combination of both.

I'm not going to replay the Fisher fiasco. That's done.

But the lesson from that missed opportunity is that aside from hurting the team on the field, aside from keeping the team perpetually playing a secondary role to NFL teams that do have quarterbacks, the Dolphins decade-long inability to land even a good quarterback has come to roost off the field as well.

We've seen glimpses of how the QB situation has driven the direction of the franchise before.

Nick Saban quit after 2006 when he realized he made a terrible mistake in his chase of a quarterback and that mistake was probably irreparable, thus killing his chances to win soon, thus making life in the NFL miserable.

The 2004 Dolphins were terrible because Ricky Williams quit days before the season, that is true. But if they had a great quarterback instead of the terrible Jay Fielder-A.J. Feeley competition that was never settled, they might have overcome the disaster of that season.

The one season the Dolphins did kinda sorta solve their QB woes -- 2008 -- also gave the team its most successful season in years. Chad Pennington was great and the club won the AFC East.

Knowing this history, knowing how the quarterback situation has repurcussions on and off the field, how can anyone rightly say that the status quo is good enough?

It is not.

 



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Miami lost by three points to NYG.
Second game against NE lost by 4.
Small sample size yes but this defense really came together towards the end of the year.
Too little too late yes but let's hope we can build on it.

Posted by: Big Baby | January 17, 2012 at 12:40 PM

Came together? You mean to lose games the exact same way they were losing them all year?

Cleveland? Denver? Giants? Pats?

Very good defenses clamp down when it matters. We did not because we're not a very good defense.

Not too mention, Wake is 30, Dansby is 31, Bell is 34, Langford unrestricted. This average overpaid D has a 1-2 year window left before it's revamped.

#1,

No offense, but I would want no parts of whiner DeSean Jackson. Yes he great when he's happy. But that Monday nighter game showed he camn become a whiney little non-playing b!tch when he isnt.

Bringing that kind of culture into our locker room scares me.

Up to a certain point, you have to draft some Players that could harm your Division foes. In our present situation, it is essential to harm Tom Brady's game or we'll never win our Division. The best and less complicated way to do that is by drafting a can't-miss tremendous pass-rusher. My opinion.

Search This,

"Not too mention, Wake is 30, Dansby is 31, Bell is 34, Langford unrestricted. This average overpaid D has a 1-2 year window left before it's revamped".

Posted by: SEARCH THIS!!! | January 17, 2012 at 12:49 PM

Exactly why trading the house for RGIII makes sense. We're lucky to become a wildcard playoff team within the next 2-3yr window with some of the key personnel we have.

There are at least 5-6 starters right now we'll be looking to replace in 2-3yrs. Rebuilding mode needs to start right now.

People, this has NOTHING to do with Matt Moore being terrible. No one's saying that. He's serviceable. But the issue we ALWAYS have, it backing a guy, who proves in the end NOT to be the guy. We CAN'T keep doing it. We need a constant rotation of possible options until we find the right one. Matt Moore MIGHT be the guy. But what if he's not? And what if we find that out mid-next Season, with a losing record? What then? Waste ANOTHER year just playing out the games, knowing we're going nowhere, saying we'll draft a guy in the upcoming draft? Doesn't that get old to anyone after a decade? Is it just me?

Posted by: DC Dolfan | January 17, 2012 at 09:47 AM

DC, what if they give up all kinds of picks over the next couple years for RG3 and it turns out the same as you indicate above. Protect Moore and they win games !!!

..Where are all the Chad Henne is better then Eli Manning guys this week? According to these folks Armando your thread today holds no water..Henne is still "The Man" Everyones fault but Henne.

It didn't matter what Eli did last weekend. Even if he would have lost the game, and looked like Henne doing it. He is still miles and miles ahead of Henne. Go ahead and throw out your passing stats, I'll answer with Tim Couch..You see His stats in his the same amount of games as Henne are just better..I could go on. But using a stats to evaluate a quarterback is just a part of the story. If that is how you want to do it..great. I will choose to look at the proof on the field. I will look at how my guy makes the players around him better. I'm going to look at big game wins. Third down passing..And Redzone efficiency.

Henne may be the one of the best first quarter quarterback in the league..When plays are scripted, and he has been coached up..He is really good. Same for quarter 3..He is pretty efficient. Now look at quarters 2, and 4..A 12 rating in the fourth quarter for his career is enough. The turnovers in the fourth quarter are enough..You all know the story. I apoligize for the redundancy..Those posts this weekend got to me.

Henne made Matt Moore look like Joe Montana.

This was a likely playoff team if Moore starts from Day 1. At least 9-7, 10-6 which puts you in a tiebreaker or win out with Bungles. You think the Bungles are better than this team? No they are not.

Defense is the strength of this team right now anybody can see that.

Canosa,

We're "far more" than a great pass rusher from "equalizing things" with Tom Brady. Our entire secondary is one huge "paper tiger".

Not to even mention "REDZONE ISSUES" that continue to dog and maximize our scoring opportunities. The Broncos have some great pass rusher, but that seemed not to matter much in that playoff game.

Once Brady gets hot, forget about it. You better be able to put points on the board too. Then maybe the defense gets one crucial stop allowing you to win.

But thinking one more great pass rusher will solve everything against Brady is like playing russian roullette. It's 50/iffy!

We would've gotten Andrew Luck if Henne stayed healthy.

There are at least 5-6 starters right now we'll be looking to replace in 2-3yrs. Rebuilding mode needs to start right now.

Posted by: Yesterday's Gone | January 17, 2012 at 12:57 PM

And that's just on the D side of the ball. At least we're set with the Punter & kicker!

No, no, I mean one of the New Athletes, something like J.J. Watts who nobody can block.

Who is better Dolphins or Bills? both 6-10

Yesterday, I'm not to worried about what happened with DeSean. He's not the first professional athlete to be unhappy with a contract situation and certainly not the last. This happens quite a lot. Aside from that particular situation, I don't think DeSean was ever a problem. I'd go ahead and take that chance. Sometimes you have to gamble to become great. It's worthy of a risk in my opinion. The Dolphins rarely risk anything and look what that gave us in the last 10 years.

Marshall's going into his 8th-9th season. This means in 3yrs we'll be looking for a great wr again anyway. Ireland overlooking Justin Blackmon will come back to bite us in the rear in just a short 2-3 seasons from now.

By then Blackmon will be a pro bowler and possibly making his 1st NFL ALL PRO team.

We aim to keep Brady cool. hehe

We desperatley need a QB, and if Ireland doesnt realize this he should be fired ASAP. There only one Reefer I like and it's not Riley Reiff..

check that, too worried*

Henne was an awful Red Zone qb that is why we have had three consecutive losing seasons for the most part.

Glad that experiment is over. Very inaccurate qb, no touch, awful int's.

If the Rams pass on Blackmon Fisher should be run out of town.
They have NOBODY at the wide receiver position. They need Blackmon's talent or they will be worse off than Miami.

#1,

As far as taking a risk on wr's, I much rather take that risk going after Justin Blackmon. I believe Blackmon immeditely solves our "red zone" woes.

Then its just a matter of shoring up the defensive side of the ball. RT has to be addressed and competition at qb for Matt Moore too.

Go for RGIII. No option.

Montreal, Andy already said that Jackson will most likey be franchised but if he's not I'll take him over Blackmon since we have Marshall.

Boy, are you People gonna cry foul if we don't select an Offensive player! hehe

wolfman,

Yeah it's a lot to give up for sure. But Miami has to be bold and at least try to get it done. If the Redskins go Ditka and give up an entire draft or whatever then they can have him but I would be fine any trade involving moving up for a potential franchise QB.

As crazy it sounds on "Moving the Chains" with Pat Kirwan and Tim Ryan they said ifor Miami to get ahead of Cleveland and Washington expect the Rams to squeeze them for as much as 1st round, 2nd round, 5th round in 2012 and 1st and 2nd and "later round" pick(or possibly player on roster if not later round pick) in 2013! That's a lot! But they said that would be fair to get a player with a much hype as Griffin who has the credentials to back it up

Griffin put up ridiculous numbers, Heisman trophy to boot and had wins over the rivals TCU, Texas and Oklahoma.

Kirwan did add he CAN'T see Miami doing it. He said he just doesn't see Ireland wanting to build like that and in the same breath said he WOULD do it because Miami is a few pieces away from being a 10 plus win team but with a change at QB

We need to grab Blackmon even if we trade a 1 and 3 to do it.

Lou the Rams have Brandon Lloyd look him up he's pretty good.

Rams are expected to take either Blackmon or Matt Kalil if they pass on RGIII.

Thier LT is total garbage. But if they trade down they'll miss out on Kalil. Clearly the best LT available.

However, thier are later options at wr. Alshon Jeffries and Michael Floyd will be 1st rd wr's too.

I all that has been said and done, I agree that a franchise QB would be great to have, but I have to go with Ireland on this one. At 8 or 9 in the draft, there isn't anyone we would want there and I don't think that the Griffin warrants trading up for. And remember, we still havd a pretty good looking QB in Moore and the possibility of Matt Flynn in free agency. This is smart considering there is the foundation of solid team. Consider Moore or whoever the QB may be with the addition of a top notch wide receiver to pair with Bess in the slot and Reggie out of the back field. How about adding another pass rushing outside LB a la the New York Giants. Looks like elite QB's Brees and Rodgers will be watching the SB from the same perspective we will without runnig games or defenses. Main point... don't reach for a QB in the draft if there is nobody there at 8 or 9 better than what you have now and bypass incredible talent at other positions.

I really like Blackmon and I don't think Miami will pass him up....becasue I don't think Blackmon will be there.

He'll either go to the Rams #2, Browns #4, or Rams #6 (via trade with Redskins), or Rams #4 (via trade with Cleveland). He won't be there at 8 or 9 unfortunately.

..It is a tough choice..On one hand we can have all the offensive weapons in the world..If we can't make stops..It will not matter. On the other hand.. We can try and be a scoring juggernaught and just blugeon teams..don't woory so much about stopping anyone..

My choice would be do it defensivley first.. Reciever is important...But you van find these guys much easier then elite pass rushers. Also we need a quarterback to deliver these guys the ball to make them worthy of such a high pick..We have to think about this.

It is easy to sit here and say..Take the offensive weapon..Everyone would sure support the move because it offers some hope of gamechanger(which we do need..I'm not understating this).. Even with Blackmon we aren't going to magically be this scoring machine. If your point is that it is for the future, and we can't pass on a talent like this..I just disagree. We have to find a pass rusher if quarterback is not priority number one..

Disclaimer..If Blackmon were to fall to our spot...the debate to take him holds more water. My point is coming from a trade up to get him scenario..no way.

I failed to mention a star wideout paired with Bess and Marshall

Your offensive passion is near stinking. heehee

AndyNJ - I totally agree. I'm a huge RGIII guy. I say go for it...things can't get much worse really. At minimum, he'll be exciting to watch.

That compensation sounds about right to get ahead of Washington and Cleveland. I'm hoping the rumors I'm hearing out of Cleveland are true....that Holmgren is feeling much more inclined to use his picks to build the team, while keeping McCoy and bringing in veteran FA competition.....just one less team to compete with on draft day.

The way I look at it, the Dolphins' biggest problem is still Tom Brady. They will have to play him twice a year regardless what happens. That's why it makes sense to load up on pass rushers and also improving our secondary. No matter what we do on offense, chances are we won't match up with the Patriots. Doesn't look like Brady is slowing down just yet. Until that happens, we're screwed. We need our defense to play better against the pass to even have a chance. We also need to put pressure on his butt and knock him around a little. Brady hates to get hit, everyone knows it.

Lloyd is not a true #1. He's also been in the league for 9 years. Blackmon is going to be another Calvin Johnson. Check him out on the ESPN Sports Science link.

Yeah you said that they had noboby.

He's far from a nobody.

Fisher's conservative, he'll probaly take LT Matt Kalil with the 2nd pick. Drafting a wr(Blackmon) 2nd overall maybe far too high for a conservative run first hc like Fisher. Walter Camp Mock now has Fisher taking rb Trent Rihardson(Redskins #6 swap to take RGII)

Walter Camp also has Cleveland taking Blackmona at #4. Cleveland might be the team to trade up with to get Blackmon.

Blackmom is NOT going to fall to our spot. No way. We would need to trade up to get him. Trading up for a WR similar to what we already have (Marshall) makes no sense. Don't get me wrong, I love Blackmon. It's just NOT going to happen.

One of the biggest reasons the Dolphins have been so poor in the redzone is the lack of talent they have at wide receiver and tight end.
They need to have more threats at those positions in order to give the defense more to worry about.
The addition of Clay should prove to be valuable in the upcoming season and, if they can get a tight end, they would be moving in the right direction. They also need to have a true threat at the slot; Bess in not the answer. My pick would be Jarius Wright.

Check it out:
www.professorlousnfldraftsite.com

If you don't like negative don't read it. Unfortunately for us there is more negative than positive. We don't have a good HC, QB or owner. We are spiralling down out of control. I can't put a positive spin on this.

Hey Armando, any updates on our future coach?? Are they going to interview Carmichael or what???

Amando is right - the status quo at QB is not going to be good enough to establish a winning program. Nearly eveyone on this blog has said it for years: fix the QB position.

What do other teams invest in a QB?

The playoff QB's at a glance:

Roethlisberger - 1st Round Pick
Dalton - 2nd Round Pick (Rookie)
Tebow - 1st Round Pick
Brady - 6th Round Pick
Yates - 5th Round Pick (Rookie)
Flacco - 1st Round Pick
Smith - 1st Round Pick
Brees - 2nd Round Pick
Rogers - 1st Round Pick
Manning - 1st Round Pick
Ryan - 1st Round Pick
Strafford - 1st Round Pick

Brees and Dalton were very early second round selections. Yates was only playing due to injuries. Brady is the rare exception.

Most teams try to invest in QB's - and they do it again and again if needed (Ravens and Chargers are examples). Even the Patriots picked a QB in the 3rd round in last year's draft!

It's true that 1st Round QB selections often do not work out. But the Dolphins have been trying the acorn QB method forever, even before Ireland. As a result they have missed out on Brees (twice), Rogers, Dalton, and Ryan.

I doubt the Colts will trade the Luck pick under any circumstances. The Dolphins should make a wonderful offer nonetheless.

Moore played very well at times and his QB rating put him in the top 12 of all NFL QB's. He deserves a chance to start, but areas of his game are of significant concern. Otherwise, he could be traded for a 1st round pick.

One wonders how much longer the rebuilding of the New York Giants, circa 1990, with "Genuine Cowboy Un- Refurbished Parts" will continue.

Fix the QB position. If it cannot be done this year, trade the first round pick for a second rounder this year and a first next year if at all possible.

Yesterday's Goon--

How I love you, my darling. When I awakened and felt your nude body pressed against mine, I knew I would soon rise to greet the day.

Well, actually, we don't have ANY HC, as of now.

So if you are the Rams and you want either Kalil or Blackmon do you take the chance and trade to 6 with Washington? Because if you make the deal these guys more than likely will be gone.

What is the compensation for the redskins to move to the 2nd pick?

HONEY IS BEE VOMIT!

wolfman,

Agree with you as well. RG3 even if he can't find a way to win will give us plenty of hope and for every couple of bad plays will deliver a highlight reel play. I think the compensation is right as well.

You had to hear Kirwan though. He doesn't hate Miami by any stretch. He likes a lot of the players and compliments them but he always makes back handed comments at Sparano and did the same with Ireland. He didn't say anything obvious and even the way he said "I don't see Ireland wanting to build that way" was harmless but he sort of laughed and said I would do it. It seemed like he was saying Ireland is gutless or something lol. Maybe I was reading too much into it at the time just seemed like a body punch when he laughed and said he would do it with the piece Miami has in place

Oh, somebody mentioned the Giants. But that's a blue-print of a Bill Parcells Team!

Back To Reality:

Roger Goodell:

With the 9th pick of the 2012 NFL draft, The Miami Dolphins select.....

"Riley Reiff, OT Iowa"

Dolfans:

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.............

LOL

Henne cant hold Moore's jockstrap

According to NFL.com, the Oakland Raiders are scheduled to interview McCoy tomorrow...

Now Tampa is interviewing Philbin. So the guy that Armando dismissed and others on here have said has done nothing, has received interest from the Dolphins, Raiders, Chiefs, and Bucs. They all must be able to read a resume and the Dolphins will sit back and make their move on him after he chooses another team.

Anyway, catch you guys later...Gotta run...

I hate to admit, but, we have RT so written all over us with the 8th-9th pick. LOL

Armando,

You make it sound like all the Dolphins have to do is go to Publix or Home Depot, ask for the Franchise QB section and pick one out. 3/4 of the league could use an upgrade at QB. However these franchise types are very hard to find. I feel there are five Franchise QB's in the league right now. Rodgers,Brady,Breese,E. Manning and Rothlisberger. Thats 5 out of 32 teams. What you should be writting about is how the NFL, wich prides itself in equality and competitivnes, has allowed its game to be governed by rules that basically disqualifies you from competing for a championship unless you have one of these rare birds.

Pennington gave them a great 11-5 season... but as bad as Fiedler was, isn't he the only one to win a playoff game in the last 14 years?

This may not sound like a solution to most of you, but since there is no top 10 qb available at our 8 ( or 9) spot, and assuming Blackmon isn't there, the Dolphins should trade down. Switch 1s, pick up another 2nd this year and a 1 next year, then draft the third best Qb in this draft. I like Tannehill, but if someone else proves better then get him.

We do have a lot of needs and the more high picks, the better. We also need Ireland to hit on these high picks. How about a game changing safety and an offensive thinking TE. Then grab bpa.

As of now I am on the Tannehill bandwagon. I like the kids presence on the field I like his size and I like the way he throws the ball. As long as his foot is ok, I am looking for the Fins to grab him (if not a trade down in the 1st, then) with our 2nd round pick.

Moore doesn't need a jockstrap. He only throws the ball past the line of scrimmage a couple times a game. Most of his passes don't make it to the line of scrimmage. He neither has the strength to throw the ball nor the strength to hold on to the ball. If he were in the draft, he would be tagged with fumble-itis and go undrafted. Henne is to Moore what Rodgers is to Dilfer.

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