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Miami's 'intimate knowledge' a good thing

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The Dolphins hired Joe Philbin as their head coach. He was the offensive coordinator at Green Bay and so one supposes he is familiar with Green Bay reserve quarterback Matt Flynn, who is expected to be available as a free agent this offseason as he searches for a starting job.

Philbin hired Mike Sherman as his offensive coordinator. Sherman was the head coach at Texas A&M where one supposes he became very familiar with starting quarterback Ryan Tannehill. Tannehill is available in the coming draft as perhaps the third or fourth-rated quarterback in the draft.

General manager Jeff Ireland, meanwhile, is a graduate of Baylor University. One supposes he still has ties to Baylor, where quarterback Robert Griffin III did great work in winning the Heisman Trophy in 2011. Griffin will be in the draft and could be the first or second player selected and a target for the Dolphins if they get the hankerin' for trading up.

So, pardon me for doing a lot of supposing here, but I'm supposing the Dolphins should have an advantage over other teams when it comes to knowing and understanding Flynn, Tannehill and Grffin.

"I guess you could suppose that, couldn't you?" Ireland told me during his appearance on my radio show, Armando and Perkins on 640 Sports (640-AM in South Florida) Tuesday. "Yeah, you know, we have some intimate knowledge of a lot of different people. Obviously with Mike and Joe and my ties to those universities and obviously the work that our scouts do -- my pro scouts and college scouts and how they surround themselves with resources and people -- we have intimate knowlege of the market. And that's a good thing."

It is a clear advantage in a situation where more information is always better. Of the five top quarterback possibilities for the Dolphins this offseason, including Peyton Manning and Andrew Luck, the Dolphins are ahead of the game on the three mentioned above. They obviously have work to do in gathering information on Manning and Luck, but I have serious doubts Luck is within reach so really, the issue is they know three of the likely four players on an "intimate" level.

Advantage Miami.

The Ireland interview is below. In fact, the entire 8 o'clock hour of the show is below, including our interview with Mike Florio of Profootballtalk.com:

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Ireland is aware of the comments about playing with elite quarterbacks that Brandon Marshall made following his winning of the MVP award at the Pro Bowl.

Marshall said his job was easier when he was catching passes from elite quarterbacks because they "put the ball in the right spots." Marshall also agreed with me when I said on my twitter account that if the Dolphins improve the quarterback position, they improve that position and Marshall at the same time. He retweeted my tweet.

Some of you took exception with the comments for various reasons, among them that they were a slap at Moore. Ireland disagreed.

"I don't know if it's a slap in the face at all," he said. "Matt did a nice job this year. And he's going to continue to develop as any quarterback we bring in is going to do. When you're over there and playing with Pro Bowl quarterbacks, they do things differently than some other guys. They're there for a reason. You've got the Tom Bradys of the world, and obviously he wasn't over there, but you have the Ben Roethlisbergers and Drew Breeses of the world and they're Pro Bowl quarterbacks. They play at a little different level than other quarterbacks. But that's not a slap at Matt. Matt did a great job and I think Brandon would tell you Matt did a great job."

I agree.

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The Dolphins continue to fill out their coaching staff. I've been told Jim Turner, a longtime friend of offensive coordinator Mike Sherman who served as the Aggies offensive line coach the past three years, is close to being hired in Miami. I presume he will coach the offensive line.

No announcement has been made by the team. Turner has never coached in the NFL. He did coach at Delaware, Northeastern, Harvard, Temple and Louisiana Tech. He also served from 1990 to 1994 in the United State Marine Corps.

So one supposes discipline will not be an issue with his unit.

Semper Fidelis.

 

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Only Aloco would say the Grand canyon was"BUILT" , This guy is funny, He must be Soiled Bottoms brother.

ALoco,

1. What kind of syrup did you have with your "flap jacks" this morning?

2. Did you use real butter or Parkay?

3. Have you had the sudden urge to take a dump yet?

noone built the grand canyon you dope.
(BUFFET OF STUPID)

Justin Blackmon will not make it past the Rams.
Cam Newton is not a better field general than RGIII.

dustybottom,

That's exactly why you secure things called options in life. Nothing's written in stone. Waking up tomorrow is actually 50/50 until it happens.


tigers dont change their stripes. ireland is the same guy we have been burdened with the past 4 years. ross made him come out and talk to the media who he hates. ross wants to sell tickets;he is a businessman. peyton will fill the seats.

Posted by: greg z. | February 01, 2012 at 06:23 AM
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Kee-rect! No secret Ross wants Manning but here's two (2) things. How much will Ross push for manning. And will Manning want to play for the Dolphins.

Before you guys flip out and say Manning will never play again or yadda,yadda....nerves do grow back. Slow something like 1mm a month (memory fails right now) but they do eventually grow back.

lol cam is def better than rg3

mannins done, and even if he wasnt last place he would come is here. and forget blackmon, he will be long gone. dont need him anyways near as much as other pos

cocoajoe,

Even if Manning's nerve heals sooner than expected. Its still a longshot he'll be re4ady to start the new nfl season until aboutn midway in. So basically, he plays only half a season this year max.

DC, PLEASE KEEP POSTS TO 2 OR 3 SENTANCE, THERE ONLY PEOPLE ON NOW WITH LIMITED EDUCATION.
(BUFFET OF KNOWLEDGE)

Oh well, they say. Let's try it again with a 7th-rd pick. Maybe this will be the ticket.

Posted by: DC Dolfan | February 01, 2012 at 01:41 PM

OK, OK, we get it-LOL!

You went all in depth on us with the "Con". Lets hear the "Pro".

How would you go about getting your 1st round franchise QB this year?

cam is def better than RG3? Dusty, you do realize that saying something like that makes absolutely NO SENSE...How can you make a comparison that involves a player who's NEVER played a down in the NFL yet? Get real man...

Plus, if you try and push Peyton's recovery time sooner than physically possible. You run an even greater risk of further damage an increased setback.

This isnt a Drew Brees scenario. Brees had youth on his side, Peyton doesnt. Manning only has 3-4yrs max left even if fully healthy.

dc,take the whole page.lol

ok montreal, ill do it again. manning is def better than tannehill. now say something

With Peyton Manning we run the risk of Chad Pennington "the sequel" in Miami. Remember the "noodled arm"?

Again, it makes no sense...You're 0 for 2 dusty...

lol thought u would say that. wow. hilarious but what else would i expect from u. gone i agree i have zero interest in manning. give me flynn or rg3 if any chance where we dont have to go hershel walker deal on him. flynns my number one

ODIN, WHAT SAY YOU,WELL THE GARAGE MACHANIC PICK A LINEMAN AGAIN THIS YEAR OR A PUNTER?
(BUFFET OF KNOWLEDGE)

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

BOTH!!!!

Oh well, they say. Let's try it again with a 7th-rd pick. Maybe this will be the ticket.

Posted by: DC Dolfan | February 01, 2012 at 01:41 PM

OK, OK, we get it-LOL!

You went all in depth on us with the "Con". Lets hear the "Pro".

How would you go about getting your 1st round franchise QB this year?

Posted by: odinseye | February 01, 2012 at 01:48 PM

Too much time has elapsed for DC's response.

He is therefore googling or asking a friend for a comeback.

If the information was already in his high and mighty mind, he would have responded by now.

So he is effectively "busted."

dusty, it makes no sense...I know you think you know it all and stuff but reality is you don't...You CAN'T make a comparison involving a player who hasn't even played an NFL down yet...Nobody knows how good Tannehill will turn out...Who knew Tom Brady would become Tom Brady? You I'm sure...Who knew JaMarcus Russell would be a draft bust with that type of mobility and that cannon arm...You I'm sure...Whatever...What else would I expect from you...

IF YOU WANT TO KNEW WHO THE DOLPINS PICK IN 1ST ROUND LOOK WHO ARE THE BEST COLLAGE LINEWMAN.
(BUFFET OF KNOWLEDGE)

wrong montreal u cant, but most anyone else can. not rocket science to know tannehill will never be anywhere near as good as manning. i had no idea on brady, yes i knew along with 99 percent of the country that russell sucked

BLAH BLAH,BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH., AND ONE MORE THING BLAH BLAH BLAH, BLAH BLAH BLAHBLAH BLAH.

Is Philbin sold on Flynn?

Is Flynn sold on Philbin?

Will Ireland insult Mothers more often now that he's speaking to the press?

Will Billick EVER pay Mr. Ross his 40 million?

Will Jan ever be as pretty as Marsha! Marsha! MARSHA!

PS: Follow me on Tweeter for Updates!

odin (I'll try to keep this to 1/2 page),

Ever heard of a "leap of faith?"

I know this isn't his job, but here's what I'd do:

1) Get Mr. GM (Ireland) to EVALUATE the talent pool. Forget Kiper, forget McShay, make YOUR (Ireland's) list of franchise-worthy QBs. Then use a number to identify the weight of his belief that they'd be franchise-caliber.

2) If there are any candidates who weigh heavily, as close to sure bets as can be, then Ireland should do anything and everything to get them (including mortgaging the future). We have money, we have #1 picks (future), we have good talent on our team right now, use your assets and get it done (if you think the guy you're going after will be elite.

3) If no QBs fit the above (2), then Draft the best QB available at your draft position (who cares if he's graded as a 2nd-rounder, what if he's gone before you draft in the 2nd. Ponder wasn't a 1st-round talent. Neither was Tebow (IMO). But those teams did what they needed to to get their QB.

It's even easier done than said, just required some cajones. I guess mine are bigger than most, cause I don't see any issues there.

My owner witnessed the building of the grand canyon!

99% of the country? LOL!! Keep it up dusty...You're clealy the type that thinks you could be an NFL GM no problem...You know more than all these guys who watch tape, college games and eat and breathe football 17 hours a day, all year long. I'm just wondering why no NFL team has called you yet...Shocking...

Flynn might have only started two games but has been in the system and developed just like Rodgers. With Flynn and Moore competing against each other one will rise to the top. The time is now not the time to bring in a rook.

dc hard to give up future number one picks, if u want to do that then call the colts and try for luck. griffin cant touch luck though

montreal great rebuttle, your a pleasure.

agree morphin on flynn, lets do it!

My owner knew Russell sucked. He also knows it took 15 years to build the Grand Canyon.

DC, YOU WORKING RIGHT NOW?
(BUFFET OF KNOWLEDGE)

This is a question of will, not of "how to get it done." Was it right to risk taking the "more injured" Brees in hindsight? YES. Was is right to risk picking up "noodle arm Pennington?" YES. Was it right NOT risking taking Ryan? We'll see, so far I say no, as we haven't really done anything with Jake Long, 1 Playoff appearance (which I'd credit more to Pennington than Long).

The teams with the will make risks, and many pay off (some do not). The teams with no will stick with the Henne's, Moore's, Fitzpatrick's and Sanchez's of the world, and drop off.

Just gotta have the will.

MY IQUANA IS SMARTER THEN SOME OF THE BROWN DONKYS ON HERE.
(BUFFET OF KNOWLEDGE)

Anyway dusty, no biggy...But stop thinking you've got all the answers...You don't...I don't either...Comparing guys who haven't been drafted yet to NFL players makes no sense...You're all Pro-Flynn and that's fine...But don't start saying Tannehill sucks, RG3 is not Cam, etc etc...Cause fact is nobody knows...YET...

Spiderman,
I think that's part of the issue.....nobody really knows his strengths and weaknesses.....some people might claim to know after watching him for 2 games.
But how could they possibly assess him with so little work so far?
That makes the Fins decision even tougher, because it is a little bit like playing Vegas on this one.
For our sake, if we get him I hope we hit the jackpot on this 50/50 risk
Posted by: Ohio Dolfan | February 01, 2012 at 12:45 PM

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Except that Philbin does know his strengths and weaknesses. He's been coaching the guy for 4 years, I would assume he'd know a little bit about him. Makes it much less of a crap shoot.

Like others have stated, if it's Flynn....that means Philbin thinks he can be the guy....if not, well, that means he doesn't believe he's the guy. Simple as that.

A Franchise QB might not be there or if it is, unavailable. Based on Ireland's thinking in last year's Draft he goes for the player that most solidifies a certain aspect of the D or O; like Mike Pouncey last year. Based on this, I believe that, besides a very good QB, we need another pass rusher and I think that's where Ireland will go to. Impeccable logic, uh?

dusty, I'm all for mortgaging the future for Luck. Just don't think Colts will budge.

As far as giving up #1's, I guess you're saying Long, Davis, Odrick and Pouncey aren't expendable. Let's see, Long/Pouncey were part of an oline that gave up 52 sacks. Davis is 1/2 of the "best CB tandem" in football, and Odrick actually played a whole Season.

So, yeah, I see you're point. Much better to have all of them than a franchise QB.

Aloco, yes, working (I'm an educator of how to acquire a franchise QB).

It doesn't take brain surgery to figure out Flynn offers the easiest, most inexpensive method to potentially address the Qb situation right now.

Miami isn't in the position to draft a 1st rounder WORTHY of the pick so GET OVER IT! You don't just take 1 so you can say you drafted a 1st round QB. How old are you guys? 6?

The next best option is Flynn. He's been in the system & MIGHT be the guy. Roll the dice!
Flynn is a low risk, high reward proposition.

Ever heard of a "leap of faith?"

I know this isn't his job, but here's what I'd do:

1) Get Mr. GM (Ireland) to EVALUATE the talent pool. Forget Kiper, forget McShay, make YOUR (Ireland's) list of franchise-worthy QBs. Then use a number to identify the weight of his belief that they'd be franchise-caliber.

2) If there are any candidates who weigh heavily, as close to sure bets as can be, then Ireland should do anything and everything to get them (including mortgaging the future). We have money, we have #1 picks (future), we have good talent on our team right now, use your assets and get it done (if you think the guy you're going after will be elite.

3) If no QBs fit the above (2), then Draft the best QB available at your draft position (who cares if he's graded as a 2nd-rounder, what if he's gone before you draft in the 2nd. Ponder wasn't a 1st-round talent. Neither was Tebow (IMO). But those teams did what they needed to to get their QB.

It's even easier done than said, just required some cajones. I guess mine are bigger than most, cause I don't see any issues there.

Posted by: DC Dolfan | February 01, 2012 at 02:02 PM

In summary - let's pray and roll the dice.

dc i can say the same for griffin, he hasnt proved a thing in the nfl

wolfman, EXACTLY...That's what I've been saying for a while now...Philbin knows Flynn more than anyone else...If we don't end up signing him, it will tell me everyhting I need to know. We have to trust Philbin on this. Same goes with Tannehill coached by Sherman...

2 watt, I agree. But if Flynn doesnt work out were on the books for 40 million at least.
Posted by: Spiderman | February 01, 2012 at 12:55 PM

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No way....even if they sign him to a huge Kolb like contract (I don't think that'll happen), these things are always structured in such a way as to limit the guaranteed money. Remember, NFL contracts aren't guaranteed like baseball.

Case in point...Kolb got a 6 year $65M contract....only about $21 of that was guaranteed. This is why they could let Kolb go to FA this season and it would be completely clean....from a cap standpoint, Kolb would be zero hit to the cap this year for AZ should they choose not to pay his option bonus, which only puts them on the hook for the coming season. Kolb's guaranteed money was paid up front.

Generally, guaranteed $$$ is roughly 1/3 of the total contract. So, even if Flynn were to receive a very generous 6 years $50M (I seriously doubt even that)....guaranteed money that Miami would be on the hook for would be somewhere in the neighborhood of $15M and would most likely be paid upfront or over the next two seasons if cap space is an issue this season.

DC,

That was a bit of a loaded question.

I get it though. You're pretty much going all out with a "Scorched Earth Policy(Vietnam ref).

Identify your target and acheieve objective AT ANY COST!

If this proves impossible, then reach for whomever you rate next on the list(just use your 1st round pick).

OK, I appreciate you keeping your response to under a 1/2 page-LOL! But, at the risk of upsetting Lil ALoco, I'm going to ask for more.

Can you **VERY BRIEFLY(LOL)** be a little more specific and give me some examples, names, possible scenarios, etc, etc.

PS: I know there's no simple answers and I'm not being an asss. Just curious as to what your thinking, hoping, or wishing for.

wolfman, look, Philbin's the HC, it's his 1st-year. I'll give him room to make his own mistakes. All I'm saying is, he BETTER work out (if they take Flynn). Flynn's failure = Philbin's failure, just like Henne's failure = Sparano's failure. And Philbin will then go the way of Sparano.

If I'm the HC, and I see ALL those skeletons of past HC's, ALL the corpses of FA QBs, I'd be pretty afraid to test those waters once again. I'd rather go down with a draftee (at least then I can try and blame the GM).

But, it's Philbin's team. And he comes from an organization that actually develops players (which is new to us). Maybe he knows something we don't.

The pressure might be on Philbin to give Ireland realistic feedback on Flynn.

Tannehill could be this year's version of Andy Dalton...Who knows?

Kolb could bounce back this year...The Cardinals shouldn't give up on him this quickly...

Armando, usted es colombiano, ¿por qué no escribes en español para nosotros? Es cierto que ahora el control de Miami y han ahuyentado a todas las personas Inglés para siempre. Sólo quiero oír hablar de los Delfines de Miami EN ESPAÑOL!

Aloco, yes, working (I'm an educator of how to acquire a franchise QB).
Posted by: DC Dolfan | February 01, 2012 at 02:15 PM

DC, YOUR JOB NOW IS TO EDUCATE THE UNEDUCATED DONKYS ON THIS BLOG, GOOD LUCK, I GOT TOO GO TO WORK SO FLIPER CAN POST HIS FLIP-FLOPS FOR THE NEXT 16 HOUR.
(BUFFET OF KNOWLEDGE)

dusty, Long was unknown, every draftee is unknown. You can evaluate a player or you can play the odds. We've evaluated talent for the last 15 or so years (post-Marino). That hasn't worked.

How about we do a Moneyball and try to play the odds? Odds say most franchise QBs come from the 1st rd (I guess understanding probabilities is a 6 yr old's way of thinking to some).

free agents they should go get:

Jermichael Finley

Reggie Wayne

Tom Zbikowski

Dan Connor

montreal just turn on games and watch the 2, then u should know tannehill cant hold daltons jock. u want someone in 2nd rd then least take weedon or even foles. but i wouldnt want any of them

dc i agree. its a prediction and u seem to be predicting griffin to be a franchise qb, i do not. luck is the one in this draft. agree with montreal on kolb.


and how bout al golden, what a class . congrats to him pulling it off

Bell + Soliai should come back as well

dusty, a lot of people like Tannehill...NFL people...He must be doing something right...I'm not pro Tannehill but just sayin maybe there's an Andy Dalton available somewhere after Luck and Griffin...

beerphin, Finley will most likely get the tag...

Marshall dropped more TD passes than he caught this year, 7-6 I believe. That aint on the QB. Sorry.

Marshall needs to work on consistency. He could start by keeping his mouth closed

Spiderman,

Brady greater than Marino!! Bro, smarten up. He couldn't carry his jock!!

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