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No deal yet on Jeff Fisher

Regarding the only topic anyone wants to know anything about right now:

Jeff Fisher is still not the Dolphins' coach. Or the Rams' coach.

He was scheduled to make his decision on either the Rams or Dolphins on Wednesday. I do not know if he did that. My sources got suddenly vague at one point, refusing to tell me if negotiations were underway on a contract or not.

All I could get out of one was this: "No deal done."

I did ask about the NFL Network story that said Fisher was close to a decision and leaning toward the Dolphins. Dolphins didn't know anything about that. So if Fisher is close to deciding or has decided, I cannot tell you.

Fisher has been speaking with both teams (either directly or through his representation) over the past few days -- apparently to get clarificcation on certain issues.

It is interesting this has not happened yet because it shows that neither organization -- neither the Dolphins nor Rams -- is a slam-dunk in Fisher's mind. Both have positives aspects. Both have negative aspects.

Understandable since both have been strangers to the playoffs most of the past decade and as for playoff wins? Zero.

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Jeff, if Moore is, he's signed through next year. He'll continue to be the starter, and won't relinquish that position. We'll see. Just like Henne, he'll have a chance to show everyone what you say he is.

Flynn will too. If he's as good as his fans say, he'll start somewhere, and we'll see if he takes his team to the Playoffs, or to a SB, or wins a SB, or breaks all kinds of records.

But these guys don't get to be spoken as elite UNTIL THEY PROVE THEY ARE.

Eli proved it. Flynn/Moore have not.

That's the difference. You saying "period" only ends the conversation in your own head, no one elses.

Given the fact that Eli hasn't had steady receivers like Wayne and Harrison. He's done a great job.


@stan

HAVE YOU WATCHED ELI PLAY PREVIOUSLY BEFORE THIS SEASON?


I watched him play pretty well in '08...not to mention the super bowl vs the pats, not sure what moores credentials would add higher than that except for the fact he was benched in carolina for a horrible prospect in jimmy cluasen.....just sayin....

Craig M - In RE to taking Tannehill in the 2nd....it would really depend on who's there for the taking. I would really like to see them pick up a TE and there's a couple good 2nd round prospects at that position.

Some boards have Tannehill dropping into the 1st now that Jones has stated he will return to college. Personally, I think that's a pretty big reach anywhere in the first.

I would be very intrigued if Nick Foles happend to be there for the taking in the 3rd round. Not necessarily as a "QB of the future" pick, but to simply bolster the position.

Correction to my previous post a 1:58

Moore 11-13 as a starter

I'm gonna have to step in a say that the comment "Bush didn't show up for a game until the last 3" is just ridiculous and is not fact.

He had plenty good games besides the last 3

Both Foles and Tannehill will be taken in the 1st round. I know what you guys are going to say but I said the same about a whole bunch of QB's last year and people said the same. Teams will reach on that position more than any. Brock Osweiler QB from AZ st. declared but I don't know much about him. I know he's tall at 6'7". Anyone know anything about him?

OK, got to work again guys....
I'll let SEARCH THIS!! entertain everyone while I'm gone.

Posted by: Craig M | January 12, 2012 at 01:46 PM

How old are you dude? You sound like a bitter, jealous 4 year old who just had your toy taken away. Are you not the center of attn?

Stop acting like a whiny bi*ch & grow up.

Just want everyone to ask themselves this:

On that last 3rd down play vs. Patriots (I'm referring to that game because I just saw it since I was away on vacation that week). Under 2 mins left, and one first down wins the game for the Pats. Brady makes the play to Welker.

How many times have you seen Brady make that "type" of play (3rd down, ends the game, wins the game, changes the tide of the game, etc.)?

Now ask yourselves, how many times have you seen a Dolphins QB NOT make that play? And then it comes back to hurt us, and we lose, because we couldn't make that one play that could (or would) have sealed the deal?

I don't care WHAT his name is, or how much it costs to get him. THAT'S the QB I want starting for my team. The guy that MAKES that "game clenching" play, 9 times out of 10.

Between Henne/Moore, they lost 4 games by 3 points or less. This is where a QB differentiates himself from the pack.

I've seen a few mocks that have Miami taking Tannehill or Foles in the early 2nd round. The ones with us taking Foles there have Tannehill going to Seattle or Cleveland in the first.

Matt Moore is our starter until someone unseats him between now and game 1.
That is not too hard to grasp is it?

Yes I do enjoy a hot meat sandwhich. Really anytime of day. I will take one standing, sitting, lying down, whatever!

Lemme clarify -- Cleveland's 2nd pick in the first round.

Barring some unforsee trade if Miami goes into next year with Matt Moore as the starter we will all be here next year again with no playoff hopes and STILL looking for a starting QB.

Agree 100% DC

Im sick of game managers for this offense, WE need GAME CHANGERS!!!!

DC Dolfan.
Couldnt agree with you more. It shows a high level of accuracy and confidence in pressure packed game defining moments. All of which are absent in Dolphin QB's. They compete, play well but when it matters most they seem to know just what to do to lose the game.

Andy, Lemme be the first to say - I hope I don't see you next year.

Not sure if this was mentioned before, but Fisher's agent is the father of Rams vice
president Kevin Demoff.

Wonder how those family dinners are going down.

Ohio, totally agree on Bush. Not sure what that guy was talking about. Bush was a 1,000 yd back in year 1. Now, I know Ricky did it that year Ronnie got hurt. But otherwise, either of those guys do that at the end there? To say they would have been better than Bush was pure poppycock.

I don't think Bush was good for us, I think he was GREAT. A real playmaker. I'm very satisfied with that decision to take him. Give Ireland credit for that one. Good call.

Here is how Eli Manning won a superbowl ring.

Tom Brady 29/48, 266 yard, 1 TD, Longest pass 19 yards.

Giants defense recorded 5 sacks that day.
Patriots defense recorded 3 sacks that day.

Patriots rushed for 43 yards on the day.
Giants rushed for 101 yards on the day.

Giants recovered 3 fumbles.
Patriots recovered 0 fumbles.

Yet Eli and the Giants only won by 3 points LAST MINUTE? Why didn't Eli put up more points off of THREE FUMBLE RECOVERIES? Because Eli is second tier. Drew Brees or Peyton Manning would have put up more points UNLIKE Eli Manning did.

Father Demoff: What did you do? I had him all set to sign with you!

Son Demoff: But Dad, we're talking about L.A. here!

Father Demoff: I already told you he doesn't want to do anymore of the traveling football team gig

Son Demoff: You've never given me what I wanted

Father Demoff: You're not my son!

Yes, all this waiting is making me delusional


Not sure if this was mentioned before, but Fisher's agent is the father of Rams vice
president Kevin Demoff.

Wonder how those family dinners are going down.

Posted by: Jamison

Was mentioned 4-5 blogs ago while this story was actually news to people....now, its just BORING!!!

Texas_Dolfan,

Why is that?

Yea DC,

And mostly give credit to Reggie for working his tale off! He truly played different for us than he had in previous years! He also gives credit to Tony for giving him the chance.

AndyJ
Not sure where the stats are from, but with Carolina (GS) Moore was 8-3. Most of Moores stats can be a little mis leading, because he often came of the bench. Now Im not promoting him as the next great thing, but he realy has not had a long string of consecutive starts other than here with Miami. With Carolina there were often QB swaps, between Delhomme, Moore, Clausen. Im not sure he realy got a true shot. We still need to get a QB, but I have no problem watching Moore a little longer.

hey craig what search, yesterdays gone n new coach wanted really mean to say is...your a blow hard!

Posted by:Jeff Suckland January 12, 2012 at 02:15 PM

Ever heard of the rope-a-dope.

That's why the stats is never the best way to tell.

You can't count for the times a team is playing conservitive.

What is this ahole waiting for? Just make a decision!

Andy -- In a post you wrote.

"Barring some unforsee trade if Miami goes into next year with Matt Moore as the starter we will all be here next year again with no playoff hopes and STILL looking for a starting QB.

Posted by: AndyNJ

I hope we get a QB better than Moore that will give hope of the Playoffs. So we will not be here next year with no playoff hope.

So

Matt Moore is a top 10 QN. He will be the starter next year without a doubt.

Maybe we should bring in Seal Team 6 to break the hostage negotiations between Fisher and 2 hostage cities Miami and St Louis.

Jeff,

Your now comparing Eli with brother peyton and Brady, two of which are the best in the league at their position but you stated that Moore was just as good as Eli....


so what evidence do you have in reality to support this as oppossed to mannings overall record and stats as a QB in i.e. playoff wins, passing seasons, records as a starter, 4TH QTR comebacks(Not to mention the one against the very same as good as Matt Moore earlier this year)????

Your statement is rhetorical sounding....

finsfaneurope,

Incorrect! He was never 8-3. He came off the bench his first year there and went 4-1 as starter in 09 and 1-6 as a starter in 2010

Chuggin Lotsa Meat & blow hard are gonna give Craig even MORE ammo to accuse me of being someone else. GREAT!

Ponder going in the first round was one thing but Tannehill going in the first round would be a HUUUUGE reach.
Tannehill looks like he could use another year under his belt before heading to the NFL so it's too bad he doesn't have any college eligibility remaining. He's very erratic in his play; too inconsistent. If you watch enough of him you're going to see there are times where he makes some bad throws and he's not going to get away with those mistakes in the NFL like he did in college. Those same mistakes in the NFL will turn into interceptions.
The other thing about Tannehill is the fact that he only has one full season of college football under his belt and his stats aren't overly impressive.
He will probably end up slipping to the 2nd round because there is just too much talent at the other positions who could help teams more than taking a chance on a guy with a partial resume.
In my latest mock I have Foles going at #43 to Seattle and Tannehill is still on the board. Foles has, at least, done something during his four years at Arizona and has put up some impressive numbers despite the poor performance of his team.
He has thrown for over 7,000 yds, completing 68% of his passes over the last two seasons and has 67 td's in 3 years. There are some questions about whether he will be able to transition to a pro style offense and about his arm strength and he has been known to have happy feet in the pocket.

If we have to give 60% more to get Fisher than St Louis what does that say about our talent compared to the Rams?
Our talent is 60% less than what they have.
And they only won 2 games.
Great job letting all of the 2nd & 3rd rounders go and getting nothing in return.

Oh and by the way $8mil is 60% more than $5mil for you geniuses on break from the loading dock.

2010, Moore only played in 6 games, started in 5. Moore started the first 2 games, missed the next 3, before starting again. And yes he has beaten teams with winning records. Kept the Giants out of the playoffs in 09, also kept the Saints out of the playoffs in 09. thats 2 off the top of my head. I remember the giants well it was blow out, something like 40-3

his first season he only started in 3 games and went 2-1, he one the game where he came off the bench. so 3-1, he one rookie honors for that month.

won

Im sure Fisher's been made more than a fair offer by Ross. If he's not bright enough to realize this. Then let the Rams have him.

Professor Lou -- I agree Tannehill is raw. He played WR first then got moved to QB. he played Qb all of 2010 and 2011. This is def. cause for concern. BUT he has tremendous potential in the right situation. He does need time to grow. BUT with that said, I still believe a team will reach in the first.

DM, I did forget about Pennington's year. If he could have stayed healthy, even with sub par arm strength he could have stuck for a few years. He had everything you want in your QB except a blazing arm and durability.

He'll probably make an excellent coach if he ever wants to go that route.

If Fisher does decide to take the position with Miami the most disconcerting thing would be if he scraps the 3-4.
The Dolphins already have most of the pieces available to continue to play a 3-4 but they don't necessarily have who they need for the 4-3. They could put Solai and Odrick at the tackle positions and Starks at DE but who would play the other DE position. Also, Wake is a pass rushing LB in the 3-4. In a 4-3 he's going to be asked to be more involved in run support and pass coverage. Will he be able to do that?
Can Dansby play the middle by himself? Who is going to man the other OLB position across from Wake? Can Burnett play OLB?
Left alone, the Dolphins could use a good pass rush threat opposite Wake and are pretty solid across the line. If they were able to get someone like Ingram in the draft to play the OLB position it would solve one of their main problems. Ingram could play DE in the 4-3 but you still have the question of who's going to play linebacker.
Fisher coming to Miami could be a good thing but I caution against wholesale changes on defense because the consistency needs to be there. If he leaves Nolan in charge (which may be part of why he's taking so long to make a decision) and works on other parts of the team that really need upgrading the team should be able to get back on track a lot faster than ripping it apart and putting it back together.

It took Eli Manning 4 full seasons to get a QB rating over 77.0.

Make fun of the stats if you want, but you know, sometimes the numbers don't lie.

Moore has posted as good in his early seasons, and that is with being beat up on crappy teams. Some of the problem is coaches don't have time to let players develop as much any more, because if they don't get it done in three seasons, they are OUT! When did Eli last take his team to the play-offs? 3 seasons ago. E-LITE. Eli has become good, he is NOT elite.

None of us have any clue what has been offered as a financial package from either team to Fisher, so throwing those numbers out as facts is silly.

Again, compare Eli to his brother, about as close to a unanimous Hall of Famer as there can be:

Eli QB rating career - 82.1 Peyton - 94.9

That stat doesn't lie either.

what happened to your rock solid source from yesterday armando? Great work again you fing arse clown.

with the dolphins first pick in the 2012 nfl draft they select...........courtney upshaw olb alabama........wooooooooooohooooooooo

Better get to talking to Chudzinski or Just hire Bowles...

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