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Why Marshall's MVP award in Pro Bowl matters

Brandon Marshall was ballin' late Sunday afternoon.

The Dolphins wide receiver took over the Pro Bowl and scored four touchdowns -- on catches of 74, 29, 47 and 3 yards -- and set a record with six catches for 176 yards.

No biggie, right? It's only the Pro Bowl, right? Nobody cares about the Pro Bowl, right? Do that during the season when it counts, right?

Well, right ... and wrong.

Look, Marshall obviously did his best work in a game that doesn't count, winning the MVP award and making the Dolphins organization look good. And, yes, we all wish he would do this kind of work in games the Dolphins are playing.

But the point I'm making here is this game gave you a view of the possibilities. It showed you what Marshall might look like if he had a Pro Bowl quarterback throwing him the ball every game. Argue all you want that players were going only half-speed, but in that game of players going half-speed, Marshall was still the best player.

Argue he had a Pro Bowl receiver on the other side, helping him, but you must still admit he was the best receiver on the field. And you cannot dismiss the fact every receiver was working against a Pro Bowl secondary. Every one of them.

And in that venue, in that sitiuation, Marshall was still be best receiver in the game.

So I submit that if the Dolphins someday, perhaps in 2012, give Marshall a Pro Bowl quarterback to work with, his work definitely would look better.

How do I know this?

Irving Fryar was mediocre in New England for years and years and he came to Miami to play with Dan Marino and suddenly he was a 1,000-yard receiver. Nat Moore's career was left for dead when he played with Don Strock and David Woodley.

When Marino came on the scene, Moore's career was suddenly revived.

The point I'm making is simple: A better quarterback makes the receiver better. Even Marshall admitted that after the game.

"Since Jay Cutler I've had a few different quarterbacks and being in the Pro Bowl you have these elite quarterbacks and it's all them," he said. "They put [the ball] in the right spots and make it easy for me to make the catch. It's all the quarterbacks."

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wolfman13 | January 30, 2012 at 06:51 PM

wolf,

It was actually year 3 when Brees started to show glimpses and remember he was thrown in day one. He isn't the 1st and won't be the last to go through a 2 year learning curve. They drafted Rivers and Brees kept him on the bench, there was debate as to which one would be traded. A debate rendered mute after he tore the labrum in his shoulder.

Alot of people talk about us taking Culpepper and his shredded knee ahead of Brees but in actuality we were against the cap ceiling (Saban pretty much had a Vet team with high salaries like those of JT and Kevin Carter ect..) and N.O. rookie HC Peyton offered up a 7 year 49 Million Dollar offer which we couldn't match, so we went with the more friendly 5 years at 26 Million with Culpepper. I remember Saban being extremely enamored with Brees and if not for Peyton in N.O. Drew would have been a Fin.

dusty,

They drafted Rivers BEFORE the injury. They year before. Rivers was their pick but he foolishly heldout and then was late to camp. Brees beat him out for the job and kept him on the bench, nmaking the Pro Bowl and then ultimately injuring that shoulder in the Pro Bowl. By that point in time his fate was sealed.

schotty and brees did not get along.

The Ireland Hate continues and I believe it all stems from the Dez Bryant incident. Can you People not forgive, or at least understand. Hate is the most destructive of all emotions(for hater and hated, both).

Craig M,

Brees injured the shoulder on the final offensive drive of the last game of the season Vs. Denver. I remember well. The Chargers so convinced of Rivers franchised him after the 04 season and he started and kept Rivers on the bench for TWO FULL seasons before that injury prompted the switch!

Brees actually looked good year 2 then regressed some in year 3 before finally blowing up the spot with Rivers on the bench for 2 seasons (2004-05).

fin4life,

I stand corrected. You are correct.....apologies.

It's becoming more and more so that, if they don't pull a rabbit out of a hat, we will go without a Franchise QB next season.

Brees' fate was sealed before that Pro Bowl...

Brees continued his productive play in 2005, as he posted a career high in passing yards with 3,576. Brees also posted an 89.2 rating, 10th best in the NFL. However, in the last game of the 2005 season against the Denver Broncos, Brees tore his labrum while trying to pick up his own fumble after being hit by Broncos safety John Lynch. Denver tackle Gerard Warren hit Brees while he was on the ground, causing the injury. Brees underwent arthroscopic surgery, performed by Dr. James Andrews, to repair the torn labrum in his right (throwing) shoulder on January 5, 2006. Subsequent reports mentioned additional rotator cuff damage and he also was treated by Dr. Saby Szajowitz to recover and regain muscle movement.

Brees was selected as first alternate to the AFC Pro Bowl team for the 2005 season. He would have played in his second consecutive Pro Bowl due to the injury to starter Carson Palmer, but his own injury dictated that the AFC Pro Bowl roster would have to be filled by second alternate Jake Plummer.

oscar,

The hate for Ireland is never-ending. It doesn't matter what he does people won't cut him some slack. He made a trade to move up to get Daniel Thomas and people talk about it like it's the worst trade in NFL history. If he'd added a player through FA instead of drafting a player, he would have been criticized for that too. Unfortuntately for Jeff Ireland he is being blamed for 40 years of no Super Bowl......sad but true.

Yeah, Craig, we the People are protesting for minus 40 years of SB but, to whom do we protest? Hmm..

fin4life,

I stand corrected. You are correct.....apologies.

Posted by: Craig M | January 30, 2012 at 07:15 PM

Don't mess with Fin4 when it comes to memory.

He's like RainMan in Vegas when it comes to Football.

How about that, odin, who do we protest against?

Odin,

You are right about that....like a steel trap!!

And your earlier about from wolf was well made. I know he meant to say Rivers and not Rodgers.....his point about Brees was well made though....we are ALL geniuses....AFTER THE FACT. None of us actually KNEW that Brees would work out better...I probably would have gone that way too....but only because I like dBrees better than Culpepper as a QB...I knew nothing about the facts involved and neither did anyone else on here.

Craig M,

You've been around for a while, don't you remember all the debate regarding RB's on here before the draft with alot of top ten's at the position from Mayock to Bucky Brooks, Kiper, yahoo sports, ESPN ect... that people posted (odin) NONE had Daniel Thomas rated in the top 4.

All cited the fact that he ran small for his size avoided contact and removed himself from games with questionable injuries. I NEVER put 100% stock in those things but that one was pretty universal and prophetic if your a Miami fan.

I also loved Demarco Murray and had him in my mock, somewhere D.Dunphy probably has everybodies mocks still put away, LOL. I also loved M.Leshoure and we will see given his injury but liked them plenty more than Thomas and that is my problem with that pick. I felt even with the Crystal Meth allegations Mallett would be gone by Rd.2 and really would have gambled on that pick in round 3 or taken Murray while keeping my #5 which has been a round of production since the reduction to 7 rounds from 12.

Yes. I like odin.

Ireland he is being blamed for 40 years of no Super Bowl......sad but true.

Posted by: Craig M | January 30, 2012 at 07:18 PM

Craig,

Very true.

You do have to admit thoug, Ireland's brought a great deal of it on himself.

It's no much the Thomas trade up in and of itself.

Ireland and Parcells philosophy was geared towards trading down, recouping and finding those acorns.

So, when a Guy with Ireland's MO trades up, EVERYONE is expecting a HOMERUN(like maybe a Mallett)!

I don't dislike Thomas, but I'm not going to call him a Homerun just yet.

Nah, c'mon be Truthful, among Blacks(and some Whites) Ireland is anathema.

Guys when you get a shot check out this sight WWW.TANK.TM it's a free tank game were you go to WAR with alot of people on line at the same time with every tank being somebody else in cyberland, WAY COOL! You need to read the rules though and sign in, if your out there and run in to snake eyes that would be yours truly!

You make a move when your playa has the most value. Marshalll for the skinny Green Bay backup QB. Do it. That's right. Do it.

Armondo, come on now, this article is full of holes. Why ? I dont disagree that a good QB and WR that are in synch will produce good numbers, however, Marshall DID go over 1000 years and Marshall WAS voted into the Pro Bowl and and who was throwing to him ? Matt Moore. And by the way, how many balls were catchable balls did we see Marshall drop ? A lot. Matt Moore is completely capabale of getting the job done because he already showed us. Everybody is goo goo over Flynn because why? ONE Game. ONE. Moore has many games including Off. Player of the week.

See, the hypocrisy and "politically correct" thing does not work in Internet. The Truth works best and if you don't follow, it's to your detriment. You will learn this.

Yeh. The skinny QB from GB. Do it.

I agree, it's the feel of the ball when it's thrown and many other factors when you have a great QB. there is a difference and the Finz have not had that feel in a qb since Marino, and that's because the front office has been a bunch of losers....Every winning team has a winning QB! got it, then go get it!

Nah, we are beyond Tanks; it's the invisibility thing nowadays, you know.

fin4life,

The two backs I wanted us to pick were Leshoure or Wiliams (who went to the Cardinals). To me, to have taken those guys late first or early second was the way to go. I didn't care for Thomas coming out and I went back and forth on Ingram being taken on 15, ultimately realizing before the draft that it wasn't the way to go. I liked Murray as well and would have preferred to have gone that way but if you're drafted him, then I would have wanted to have signed Bush in FA....they would have needed a bruiser in FA, which is mor eof what they got in Thomas. I don't agree with you that he's afraid to be hit. I don't think we've seen that best of Thomas yet, as hamstring injuries can be difficult to get over and can make someone cautious.

I wasn't sold on Mallett and I'm still not but I would have been tempted also the get back into the tail end of the first and have grabbed Dalton. I also liked Kapernick coming out....so we'll see how that pans out.

Las Armas Secretas.

Nah, just kidding with odin. Can't find fault in your comment at 7:45PM, Craig.

fin4life,

One other point...

Mike Mayock had Thomas as his first or second best back in the draft (you can go back and check this out). I'm not sure what you think of Mayock but I find him quite credible when it comes to the draft. Thomas wasn't a guy I wanted but I understand why Ireland drafted him and I really don't see a problem giving up a 3rd, 5th and 7th to get him when at the time they had no other backs on the roster.

I have a REALLY hard time with people labelling Thomas a 'bust' or a 'back-up', after a season where he had constant nagging hamstrings. Makes no sense to me how people can label a 24 year old running back after one season, and yet still hold out so much hope for Mallet, who never one saw the field.

And just so you know, fin4life, that comment was NOT directed at you....just a general comment.

NFL Network has a Top 10 coming on at 9:00 P.M. about greatest teams to NEVER win a Super Bowl, Hmmm?? Think Marino's Dolphins will be high on that lst somewhere.

Then at 10:00 P.M. it's greatest players to NEVER play in the S.B. and I gotta believe Barry Sanders is #1 on that one with Erik Dickerson somewhere in the Top 5.

oscar,

You're all good with me, man....

We've never had a disagreement on here and I mostly agree with what I read coming from you. I like that you can think for yourself and don't just follow the mass...

I have affection for the good open minded posters like oscar.

And just so you know, fin4life, that comment was NOT directed at you....just a general comment.


Craig M | January 30, 2012 at 07:52 PM

Craig M,

I remember one of the lists had him listed high didn't remember it was Mayock's though and YES he is very thorough and insightful and I tend to put stock in what he says about the draft. I haven't labeled the Kid a bust just wonder if he hadn't have fallen to Rd.3. Alot of teams have more than one capable back these days and you find players at the position through the 1st few rounds these days. Hey I hope I'm wrong but see a complimentary back when I watch him play.

I neither see the great downfield vision when moving through the hole nor the toughness which gets me more than anything with him and you remember that was the one thing just about every publication said about him, by the way I've never taken anything personally and am not always right my friend. I always enjoy the friendly back and forth banter going head to head with other encyclopedia heads on here like yourself!

anyone can see how bad ireland is, not just us. nobody in the nfl wants to work with him

lets not judge rookies as though they have 4 years experience already. give thomas a chance to develop. the guy has great hands so that is for sure an additional asset.

thomas has nothing, simply another awful move by ireland. guy is so fragile

So, Philbin kept Rizzi.

not true dusty. don't let the media control your mind. bowles, mccoy, philbin all wanted to work with him.

lol no they didnt, just had no choice in the matter

fin4life,

Just to emphasize what I said earlier, Thomas wasn't a guy I wanted. I like Leshoure and Williams a lot more (Williams was a guy I wanted more than anyone at one point but I came around to wanting Leshoure more). With Brown and Williams both done, I felt running back was a big need on this team. When Ireland wasn't able to get one of those two guys he moved up to get Thomas. While I'm not a Thomas fan, I get the logic...I think he could be a good long term complimentary back to Bush or someone else. I think in a healthy year he can be a guy who can get us yards when we need it. I don't think he'll ever be a star but he might surprise with a good game or two when we're not expecting it. It's not a lot to give up for the guy.

even if he didnt give up anything craig, it was a 2nd rd pick!

leshoure and williams, what a losers, hurt in camp and out for the season. that is how their careers will go.

I know Thomas has good hands and he is a load to bring down in space. I was waiting for the Coaches to put him in that situation. They never did.

oscar how can they, he gets hurt or fumbles every other carry

You are being extreme, dusty. In any case, I believe we are going to see a much better Dolphins Team on all sides now that its being guided by real NFL Coaches.

dusty,

Sorry bud but neither you nor I are qualified to judge a player after an injury plagued season. How can you POSSIBLY judge a player who is 24 years old during a lockout shortened season. You don't know what goes on with these guys. My theory....and it's just mine....is that Thomas wasn't ready to go when the bell went off at the beginning of August. He wasn't ready and he wasn't in good enough shape to be an NFL pro. Then he got the nagging injuries and he never recovered.

What will be telling will be how he shows up for camp and shows what he can do. Bush is a hard worker, so hopefully he pulls Thomas aside and works with him. It's Thomas' chance to shine and he'll either grab the bull by the horns or waste his chances....time will tell. But you can't write a 24 year old kid off at this point, dusty.....sorry. You were probably a guy who had already written Bush off before last season.

dusty you are exaggerating. keep it real.

in general, most expect every draft pick to be a superstar in one or two seasons or they label them busts. that is plain stupidity.

The only problem with Thomas is his Bulb, you know, err, (somewhat)dim.

the reality is though that most bloggers are indeed just plain stupid and do not possess the perspective of a pro. nor can they be expected to.

not even the biggest ireland hater can deny the team is in better shape now than it has been in 10 years. but most will fester and moan about his mistakes and not see the good.

bloggers are like fickle women complaining their newly dyed hair isn't the exact shade they hoped for, when really they are complaining that they still don't look beautiful.

most of you are really just frustrated whiners taking out your personal life issues on the fins.

either the woman has cheated, dried up or you've become wet noodles, most likely one of the three.

Howdy fellow Dolphans.Very insightful and enlightening posts by Our dear finfan4life.The post on Saban's cap restraints was cathartic.Thx.

So I liek big butts and I cannot lie.

not even the biggest ireland hater can deny the team is in better shape now than it has been in 10 years. but most will fester and moan about his mistakes and not see the good.

bill conners | January 30, 2012 at 08:23 PM

I don't agree when J.J. left after that trouncing in Jax, he ended up handing the keys of a Top 3 NFL D over to Wannstedt (DL-J.T.,T.Bowens,D.Gardner,T.Armstrong-LB's- R.Jones,Z.Thomas,D.Brooks-DB's-S.Madison,P.Surtain,B.Marion,B.Walker).

Allowing Wannstedt to take over the HC/GM duties was the BIG mistake. Worth noting was we didn't know what a D looked like in Miami since the 82 Killer B's and J.J. built one quick. The 2 things that killed and haunted J.J. were passing on R.Moss in 98 (probably a Lawrence Phillips hang over from 97) and not being able to pull of the trade with Washington in the 99 draft to move up ahead of Indy for Edgerin James which he tried and failed because of Ditka and the rediculous trade for Ricky.

The back and forth between J.J. and Marino for control of the Locker Room and with Hearts and Minds in Miami about what Marino had or didn't have left also killed the good will and I really believe J.J. didn't have his heart in it but to say we have had two to three productive drafts with alot of players in the lower rounds like what J.J. did between 96-99 is wrong. The facts are that every pick in rd.2 of this FO has tanked so far and there hasn't been any real late round production either, those are the facts!

MY ARGUMENT IS JERRY RICE.

CHRIS CARTER.

ART MONK.

LAST AND LEAST

BRANDON MARSHALL.

WRS THAT WERE ABLE TO DO IT WITH OK QBS AND IN EVERY CASE MADE THE QB WHAT HE WAS.

SO IT WAS THE QB THAT PLACED ABOUT 10 PASSES IN HIS HANDS WHILE HE WAS DROPPING THEM IN THE END ZONE.

NNN NICE.

ARMANDO STOP.

PLEASE STOP.

AND WHILE YOU'RE AT IT TELL HIM TO STOP TOO.

I LOVE BM AND THINK HE'S THE BEST WR TO WEAR THE JERSEY

BUT YOU CAN'T TALK $HIT WHEN YOU LEAD THE LEAGUE IN DROPS.

ON TOP OF THAT THE MOST DROPS THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN TDS.

WE NEED SOMEONE ON THE OTHER SIDE THAT CAN BE DANGEROUS.

A TE THAT CAN MAKE THE SAFTIES RUN WITH THEM.

A O-LINE THAT CAN GIVE A QB TIME.

AND YES I STILL THINK WE CAN BRING BACK HENNE AND MOORE AND ALLOW THEM TO FIGHT IT OUT.

BUT IM NOT AGINST AN UPGRADE.

I JUST THINK WE MIGHT HAVE SOMETHING SPECIAL IN CHAD.


News flash: they don't play defense in the pro bowl!!! News flash 2: it doesn't matter who throws you the ball if you drop it!!!

Brandon dropped how many TD's this year?

Please, he had no business in the pro bowl!!!

Guys which Quarterback you like more Tannehill or Case Keenum from Houston. Keenum sees the whole damn field that guy was looking at first second third option too before any pass thrown. Who is your vote between Tannehill or Keenum?

YO ARMANDO:

WAS HE WORTH 2 SECOND ROUNDERS?

LOL

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