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... And another thing that makes Manning wrong choice

A couple of days ago I made the case why I'm not too fond of the idea of the Dolphins signing Peyton Manning to be their starting quarterback in 2012.

I'm not done.

Moving on from Manning's health questions, his age question, his eventual decline, his being a short-term fix at best when the quarterback problem requires a long-term solution, I've come up with annother issue to ponder as I continue to swim upstream on an idea the Dolphins apparently are intent on developing.

I was reminded by a former coach yesterday that adding Peyton Manning to your team can become a royal pain in the posterior.

The point was made to me that whatever team Manning joins will have to make concessions for him. The team will have to run an offense he's familiar with to maximize his talent immediately because, after all, he's going to be 36 years old and time is short. No time for him to learn a new system and get comfy in the system and start to produce maybe late in the year and maybe next year.

In the Dolphins case, that would likely mean new coach Joe Philbin and offfensive coordinator Mike Sherman learning a system Manning is comfortable with rather than the other way around.

So let me get this straight: The Dolphins hire Philbin because they admire his work in Green Bay. They like the Green Bay model. They like the Green Bay system. And he hires buddy Mike Sherman, who was at Green Bay and feels a kinship with Philbin and the system he wants to run.

And having all that familiarity available to them, the Dolphins would scrap it all to make Manning comfortable with a system similar to the one he's run the past 14 years? They would make Manning the de-facto offensive coordinator?

One of the advantages everyone assumed the Dolphins would enjoy by hiring Philbin was expertise on soon-to-be free agent quarterback Matt Flynn, who played under Philbin in Green Bay and is obviously familiar with that system. Assuming Philbin wanted to make some tweaks to the system, the foundation was still going to remain and Flynn was going to enjoy a head start if he joined the Dolphins because he is very familiar with that foundation.

And the Dolphins are simply going to turn their back on that?

That would be better?

I have to say this: The reason everyone knows the Dolphins are enamored with the idea of signing Peyton Manning if he becomes available is because owner Stephen Ross loves the idea. And he's the boss. He is apparently going to make this call come heck or high water.

Everyone knows this as fact because Ross has let his feelings be known on the subject.

But no one knows how Philbin feels about it. Nobody knows general manager Jeff Ireland's opinion on the subject. Don't they get a vote?

Do Miami's football men have the ability to say 'No' to the owner if all their football wisdom tells them to go in a different direction away from Manning?

Now, I suppose it is possible Ross spouted his opinion on chasing Manning after careful consideration and conversation with both Ireland and Philbin. (For Miami's sake, I hope that's the case.) But knowing the Dolphins as I do, my guess is no such conversation took place before Ross indirectly made his desires known.

Despite my worst fear, perhaps such a conversation eventually takes place and Philbin and Ireland are all in on Manning. (Something that will cause me to wonder about both men, but that's another story). At that point it won't be an issue that Philbin might have to subjugate his system for one that fits Manning. At that point it won't be an issue that ownership is dictating which quarterback the team must chase first before checking with, you know, the football experts. Those points would be moot.

But it still raises the question: Why have such a logical connection to a young quarterback after hiring his coach and then going in a totally different direction with an old quarterback? Is that fair to Philbin?

And will it work?

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Why ask that question about Ross? I think every Dolphin fan knows how Ross likes to fashon himself as a football insider when in truth, he dont know squat. Ive been bemoaning the fact the Manning signing with the Dolphins is a terrible idea whos time as NOT come. IF Ross insists on Manning, the coming 2-3 yrs will be a meltdown of biblical scale. Does it get any worse then 0-16, or 2-14 ?????? The Dolphins will not have to be concerned with fans not buying tickets, the concern will be how to demolition Sun-Life stadium. The franchise could go belly up with Ross billions melting/floating away down the A1A rain sewer. Can you rap your mind around that day dream? Would Philpin find Ross so tacky that he would resign rather then sign Manning. I Need another toke, be right back,,,,

LOL...why trade up for RG3 when you can draft an offensive or defensive lineman? That's been the strategy for years here. We're only one more high pick on a lineman away from turning the corner!

A lot of subjective thoughts in today's post. This will need to play out a little bit further before any of this could be considered remotely true

Forget Manning. Spend the money on a FA RT, and draft a QB.

yeah? how many ..young QBs miami take and nobody, NOBODY works!!! MANNING IA A SHORT TERM,WITH A TEAM CAN WIN NOW==!! HOY MANY FREE AGENTS IN THE NEXT 3 YEARS WE HAVE? rebuild the team again,so the FUTURE IS NOW..NOW..NOW! and draft one in the next year or two..or not?

Armando, dude you're milling me.I think you get it but maybe not. With our team being just a QB away from the playoffs Manning is the best option out there. He will be back at full strength with huge chip on his shoulder to win another Super Bowl. Why does Ross like the idea? Bottom line, It's about selling tickets and winning now. I see us getting Manning and drafting a QB down the road to be his understudy. Go Phins!!

Tony, I hear ya! Let's continue with the strategy that has gotten us this far! It clearly works. We don't need no stinking franchise QB! What a joke...

I'm gettin' sick and tired of the Manning thing already. I've lived with the same injury that Peyton has for the last 8 YEARS. I can tell you for certain that the nerve damage is irreparable. When I lift weights my right arm (which is my dominant arm) can lift the same amount of weight but fatigues much faster than my left.

Also, I've thrown the football with my nephew and I have nowhere near the same arm strength and my arm tires after a short period of time.

Its time to move on and go to Plan B.

Mando...I made this exact point on your blog yesterday afternoon.
Are you poaching my ideas again?

He's PEYTON MANNING, Armando. This isn't like, say, rotating loud-mouthed, over-exaggerating, over-sensationalizing local reporters on a local radio show or something. He, unlike, say, certain pretentious douchey reporters, is the cream of the crop.

in like flynn.

Or as a team with significant needs, we can just mortgage the future for an unproven, yet sexy rookie qb. What flavor kool aide is that?

Spend the money on a FART!

Plus....I'm sure with Peyton's reduced arm strength he'll be happy to dink-n-dunk his way down the field in the west coast offense.

Toss in a healthy Daniel Thomas
Put our stud TE we poached from NE on the line
Revised the route schemes for Bess
Keep feeding the ball to Bush

...and Peyton will never need to throw the ball over 20 yds!

I listen to Joe Rose, because Armando is a fool. I read Armando's articles, because there are limited resources concerning the Dolphins.
Armando loves bringing up issues that are not even issues yet..Lets see how this QB thing plays out before we rip the decision makers..Plus Armando is due for another article that mentions another unnamed source talking about some Dolphins rumor.

injuries to a 36 yr old NFL QB that affect feeling and arm strength need to be taken very seriously. matt moore played very well in 2011 once he got comfortable with the offense. i'd opt to address position issues that have been ignored by ireland like RT,RG,FS,CB,TE,OLB etc. also FA matt flynn would make for a legit QB competition(which we haven't had) and he doesn't cost us a draft pick.

If manning has something left in the tank it would be crazy not to sign him.
1. Potential free agents will flock to miami to play witb manning. Many of which will be willing to sign at a discount.
2. This buys miami 4 years to take their time and find the right long term decision at qb. They will not be forced trade the worldly to move up in the draft or give a huge contract to an unproven
fa.
3. We saw what a healthy manning did for a 2-14 team. What would he do for a 6-10 team with far more talent?

odin, no mo 17 hr shifts.?
lol

Brian c, amen!

Time to move on... nobody wants to be where we are all over again in 3 years when Peyton is 39. All the upheaval and hype in the meantime too? This team does best playing under the radar and they need to do what they've slowly but steadily been doing the last couple of years under (newer thought I'd say it, but pucker up haters- here it comes)- Ireland. That is acquiring talent and not making big mistakes in the draft or free agency. When you are coming from being a sucky team, you don't need to make a big splash - just get better every year. You can always count on enough teams doing the opposite (like we Miami did over the years) to vault over half the league just by not screwing it up. Then take a qb in the draft - doesn't have to be perfect - just find one and stick to him and teach him your system. Its not rocket science. Luck and RG3 are not the only qbs who are going to be good... there will be (happens every year) a handful of qbs who turn out to be very good that noone saw coming. And for cryin out loud do what Shula, Gibbs, Belichik, Walsh and any good coach does - take a flyer on at least one qb in every other draft or so in the later rounds.

We take the chance on Manning...but take out a very good insurance policy.
Moore showed he is a capable game manager who can hit Marshall in stride, something we lacked with Henne.

Go for Manning, keep Moore & draft Russell Wilson, QB from Wisconsin in the 3rd round. Wilson is the poor man's RG3, go look at the youtube vids...he is really good.

IF Manning returns to health and we skip on him and he goes to the Jets he will win and we will rue the day we passed on him... Him being an elite QB is different than a regular dude w the "same injury". When he rehabs to full strength we would have one of the top 5 QBs in the league... I doubt Manning is done. The reward is far greater than the risk... Still draft a QB later

For those who missed it yesterday, here is my take on what Ireland thinks of Manning:

http://www.xtranormal.com/watch/13018330/dolphins-gm-talks-peyton-manning

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Mando great coaches have the ability to adjust their systems to great players but at this point in Mannings career, I don't think it is worth it. Like you said, there are way to many question marks surronding this guy. It kind of reminds me of Marino on the backend of his career. I think peyton is still going to be effective like marino was, and will probably still get the team to the playoffs, but he is no longer a super bowl carry your franchise on his back type of guy. Also, not only is he 36 but he hasnt played football in a long long time now. Thats hard enough to do when you're 26 much less 36.

Should we ask Huizenga to return to his ownership role? Would that be better?

Dude, get off it! You sound like a high schooler trying to get his way rather then a journalist. You don't want Manning, the Dolphins do. You think it's a bad choice, the Dolphins disagree, we get it. Now move on.

That guy, what in the blue heck are you talking about, getting better every year? The objective is not to get closer to zero wins, they got worse every year!

Armando,

If the Dolphins sign Peyton, I can already read your Columns and Blogs come November...

"With the best record in the NFL and Dolphins stadium once again a home field advantage, this 2012 Dolphins team can thank one person: Peyton Manning."

You will eat crow

odin, no mo 17 hr shifts.?
lol
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Mando won't eat crow. Even when he's proven wrong, he simply ignores the issue.

Because of this write up he will perform voodoo rituals and stick pins in a Peyton doll if we end up signing him. Come heck or highwater, whatever it takes to look like he was in the "Loop".

If we sign Peyton now, he'll secretly be rooting hard for any and every QB we didn't sign in the hopes of making himself look "Right All Along". Book it.

NO CROW FOR MANDO!!!!

Very solid points Mando. It's true, how can the Dolphins justify bringing in Philbin because of his ability to implement the Green Bay model if they're just gonna tell him to scrap it and do whatever Peyton wants to do? Stephen Ross is the worst thing to happen to the Dolphins since Nick Saban lied and schemed his way to Alabama.

I wonder if the jets had reservations about tailoring their offense around Farve?

The Vikings?

The only Coach I can remember being stupid enough to not tailor his offense around a Hall Of Fame QB was Jimmy Johnson.

Why is it supposedly great football minds come to south Florida and the grey matter turns to mush?

I can't believe that nobody answered Josh's question about "How many black QB's have won Super Bowls?" I can't believe that Josh would even ask that question without at least saying, "Other than..." Is it because folks just don't know the answer? I can't believe that all the football "experts" here don't know the answer to that question. Here it is: Doug Williams Washington Redskins Super Bowl XXII. He was also voted MVP for that game. No, I don't think Josh is necessarily racist. I just think he doesn't know enough about what he's talking about.

Just a couple of things...

The RG3 conversation....

If Cleveland has decided to go after RG3 and St. Lousy is ready to trade... It will happen. Cleveland owns the 4th overall pick and the 22nd pick in the first round. They are starting with a stacked deck of 2 first rounders and not even hurting next years draft. Forget RG3... it is not Miami's fault, some things are just WAY out of reach, this is one of them...

2nd....
I know Armando has his "Sources"... But Miami taking Peyton Manning is far from a done deal. No one has even seen the man throw a ball in Miami and Armando has the guy's locker ready (Begrudgingly perhaps)... It is all of the reasons Armando has given why I do not think Manning comes here. It is the fact that Miami only has $6 million in available cap space without a salary dump that leads me to think it will not happen...

I have heard all of the "Incentive based dreams" and other "Possibilities"... But just as Armando say's himself... doing all of that when Philbin runs an entirely different system is ridiculous... If Ross really does that... without Philbin being 100% on board.... we are in worse shape then I could have ever dreamed...

Ross simply will not do it.... it is the wrong move at the wrong time... Unless Philbin has said differently, Matt Flynn is the PERFECT FIT... in Miami. By acquiring Flynn in FA And by drafting a young QB in this draft... you place Flynn, Moore and a Rookie in Waiting on the bench. Thereby solidify the Dolphins future at QB and allowing for the acquisition of any another draft ready, developmental QB next year (or any time after that) for a long long time.

Ross has driven this team 10 ft under the ground. Terrible decisions and the cheapest GM, HC, and QB's in the NFL. The day Ross sells the team we can rejoice.

How is that solid points?

How is that molding your scheme around the available talent.

First off, Philbin said he's NOT going to copy the Green Bay offense and Plop His Package on the Table.

Secondly, Why would Philbin and Sherman insist on sticking strictly to this offense?

This offense worked great with Farve and Rodgers. But guess what, we don't have Farve or Rodgers.

If Philbin and Sherman are worth their wait, they'll be tweaking the playbook to fit WHOEVER is available-Sheesh!

Solid Points My Azzzz!!!!

We can't draft RGIII!

He's not Farve or Rodgers and we don't know Philbin and Sherman can't tailor the offense to fit him.

So by Mando's line of reasoning above, that rules out every QB out there except Farve, Rodgers, or Flynn.

If we want an older NFL QB with a winning record and proven leadership qualities we can sign Chad Pennington for the NFL minimum and a parking space.

His arm is shot too.

We have a good enough team to win now IF we can get a QB who is a winner. Manning has the track record and the smarts. IF he is medically okay I think we gamble on him. IF there is doubt we go with Flynn. In either case I would then be okay with trading our entire draft to get Luck and filling our few true needs (RT, RG, Safety) through free agency. That way we have a proven great QB for a few years in Manning, a backup in Moore if Manning goes down, and the chance to groom our QB of the future.

Armando..you have no pull or influence with the Dolphins. and with statements like this that you make week after week it does nothing but prove how little football knowledge you have. How did you get your job, let alone keep it this long?

Phibin is the 2nd coming of Cam Cameron. No HC experience. We needed Fisher but Ross blew it AGAIN! Just a pathetic franchise.

Excuse me folks, but I'm back on Josh again. I wish I had been online earlier to have caught his comments about "how many black qb's have won a super bowl." I think why people may think you are racist is because of the underlying suggestion that if a black quarterback has never won the super bowl is because they may not be capable of doing so. The message seems to be, "let's not pick a black qb because we will never win a super bowl with him if we do." Truth be told, there are few quarterbacks black, white or otherwise in the overall scheme of things that have won a super bowl. Some of the greatest qb's of all time (think Miami)have never won a super bowl. So I just don't get what being a black qb has to do with winning or losing, unless the belief is that it's a factor in either. Maybe it's easier to pick the white one that will win the super bowl. Good luck with that.

I'm gettin' sick and tired of the Manning thing already. I've lived with the same injury that Peyton has for the last 8 YEARS. I can tell you for certain that the nerve damage is irreparable. When I lift weights my right arm (which is my dominant arm) can lift the same amount of weight but fatigues much faster than my left.

Also, I've thrown the football with my nephew and I have nowhere near the same arm strength and my arm tires after a short period of time.

Its time to move on and go to Plan B.

Posted by: Bman | February 09, 2012 at 09:18 AM

B-Man - Amen...
Back in '82, I used to be able to throw a pigskin a quarter mile.
I'm dead serious. Watch this.
That's what I'm talkin' about.
How much you want to make a bet I can throw a football over them mountains? Yeah. If coach would've put me in fourth quarter... we'd have been state champions, no doubt. No doubt in my mind. You better believe things would have been different. I'd have gone pro...in a heartbeat. I'd be makin' millions of dollars and... livin' in a... big ol' mansion somewhere. You know, soakin' it up in a hot tub with my soul mate. Bman, I reckon you know a lot about cyberspace.

The only opinion I respect on the Flynn debate is Philbin's.If he wants to go after Flynn then the Dolphins pay up and get him.Ill accept his judgement.
By the way here in England our country's soccer coach resigned yesterday from his $10 million a year contract because his bosses wanted to dictate team selection .If Ross tells Philbin who he must have at QB then the new coach should consider his position.

"I've come up with another issue to ponder as I continue to swim upstream..."

A better analogy would be:

"I've come up with another turd to ponder as they continue to float atop the stagnant sewage of my inner cesspool of ideas"

I'd say that was spot on.

Armando,

You been listening/talking to Eric Mangini, haven't you? The "former coach".

News flash - perfect fit doesn't equate to success. Again, I'm not sold on Manning, but like it or not, healthy or not, Manning is a known commodity. And if he fails, and the Phins implode, we'll probably be in a better draft position for next year. On the other hand, the dynamic duo of Flynn/Moore could get us back to 7-9, and we'll be screwed again.

I motion that we forget all of this Peyton talk and plan B or this or that that we implement plan 9 from outer space. I will install my new offense that features John Beck throwing to Ted Ginn, Jr. They are both fine young men that are going to really wow you. Speaking of which, Ricky- pass me the Maui Wowwee spliff...and the Doritos.

Once again Armando goes fishing and everyone seems to take the bait. Relax people no one has said the Miami will take Manning come hell or high water! He has not even been released yet, there is also a good chance when and if he is released it is because he can't perform or is not ready to perform. If this is the case I do not see Ross forcing Manning on the Dolphins. I also think we all need to watch really close to see if we go after Flynn, if we do not then I would guess that our new coach knows something about him that others do not. Also this idea about us having to change our offense for him is just BS. QB's go from team to team all the time and have to learn a new system. Manning is smart enough to pick up a new system during the off season and training camp. Don't forget the whole team has to learn a new system. I would be more concerned that he will not be ready for training camp then I would be about him learning a new system. I would bet that if he can't go just like the rest of the team when the training begins you will not see him in a Dolphins uniform.

Manning is mistake. To bad Ross and Ireland make more mistakes than not.

Tanks Cam mon,
Dat be true Coach Cam . You n me mon, lemme back on S. Beach an I be makin da most irie decisions to turn dis team round. I be gettin Peyton in here right'way and trade some other picks for some other teams qb that dey be gettin ready to dump anyway. Ya mon pass da blunt.

Student, I agree. Let's also not forget that we played well against both the Patsies and Giants this year. And with Manning, we would not lose games we're supposed to win. We have enough pieces in place to win now and still build for the future. We'll never fill all the "needs" this off season anyway.

Tom Brady was a sixth round pick....

-nuff said

Hmmmmmm which blogger alias will Armando the chipmunk face use now to boost his blog hits??
Your creative names still is the best you provide here.
I must admit some of these names used to better your blog is funny
Kudos!
WHHAAAAAAAT
WHAAAAAT WHAAAAAAAAAAT!
What a great voice for radio you have , lol !

So what your saying Armando is Peyton Manning can't learn a new offense...rediculous...more logical conclusion would be West Coast offense that includes some plays familiar to the QB...I'm not totally for or against the addition on Manning...my preferred choice RG3, but it's going to take giving away the farm to make that happen....I like the idea of Manning and Tannenhill in the second round, WR or RT with 1st round pick...

Josh you are a moron, inbread, wrong turn piece of garbage! It makes no difference if you are black white green or purple. Rg3 is the real deal.

Why hide from the present Armando?
Stop using a photo from 1986 and be real to the fat reflection you currently are
Just be real , like you demand of everybody
CHIPMUNK ANYBODY?

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