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... And another thing that makes Manning wrong choice

A couple of days ago I made the case why I'm not too fond of the idea of the Dolphins signing Peyton Manning to be their starting quarterback in 2012.

I'm not done.

Moving on from Manning's health questions, his age question, his eventual decline, his being a short-term fix at best when the quarterback problem requires a long-term solution, I've come up with annother issue to ponder as I continue to swim upstream on an idea the Dolphins apparently are intent on developing.

I was reminded by a former coach yesterday that adding Peyton Manning to your team can become a royal pain in the posterior.

The point was made to me that whatever team Manning joins will have to make concessions for him. The team will have to run an offense he's familiar with to maximize his talent immediately because, after all, he's going to be 36 years old and time is short. No time for him to learn a new system and get comfy in the system and start to produce maybe late in the year and maybe next year.

In the Dolphins case, that would likely mean new coach Joe Philbin and offfensive coordinator Mike Sherman learning a system Manning is comfortable with rather than the other way around.

So let me get this straight: The Dolphins hire Philbin because they admire his work in Green Bay. They like the Green Bay model. They like the Green Bay system. And he hires buddy Mike Sherman, who was at Green Bay and feels a kinship with Philbin and the system he wants to run.

And having all that familiarity available to them, the Dolphins would scrap it all to make Manning comfortable with a system similar to the one he's run the past 14 years? They would make Manning the de-facto offensive coordinator?

One of the advantages everyone assumed the Dolphins would enjoy by hiring Philbin was expertise on soon-to-be free agent quarterback Matt Flynn, who played under Philbin in Green Bay and is obviously familiar with that system. Assuming Philbin wanted to make some tweaks to the system, the foundation was still going to remain and Flynn was going to enjoy a head start if he joined the Dolphins because he is very familiar with that foundation.

And the Dolphins are simply going to turn their back on that?

That would be better?

I have to say this: The reason everyone knows the Dolphins are enamored with the idea of signing Peyton Manning if he becomes available is because owner Stephen Ross loves the idea. And he's the boss. He is apparently going to make this call come heck or high water.

Everyone knows this as fact because Ross has let his feelings be known on the subject.

But no one knows how Philbin feels about it. Nobody knows general manager Jeff Ireland's opinion on the subject. Don't they get a vote?

Do Miami's football men have the ability to say 'No' to the owner if all their football wisdom tells them to go in a different direction away from Manning?

Now, I suppose it is possible Ross spouted his opinion on chasing Manning after careful consideration and conversation with both Ireland and Philbin. (For Miami's sake, I hope that's the case.) But knowing the Dolphins as I do, my guess is no such conversation took place before Ross indirectly made his desires known.

Despite my worst fear, perhaps such a conversation eventually takes place and Philbin and Ireland are all in on Manning. (Something that will cause me to wonder about both men, but that's another story). At that point it won't be an issue that Philbin might have to subjugate his system for one that fits Manning. At that point it won't be an issue that ownership is dictating which quarterback the team must chase first before checking with, you know, the football experts. Those points would be moot.

But it still raises the question: Why have such a logical connection to a young quarterback after hiring his coach and then going in a totally different direction with an old quarterback? Is that fair to Philbin?

And will it work?

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Trade up get tannehill or rg3. Or let Matt Moore try having an off season. Toss henne. Don't pick up manning

Home on the herald, your spelling and grammar are terrible. Your points are in accurate. Yes, Peyton was great. But he is a huge risk and on the decline. We need a long term solution.

Dave, I'd say it's a good thing Ross didn't spend on Orton, wouldn't you? You can't compare the Manning situation with Orton. C'mon. Manning (healthy of course) is a Ferrari. Orton is a Hyundai. Very different.

Hey fans,

I'd love to come and play down there. My throwing arm is a wet noodle, but I am working on throwing lefty now. No worries.

No, it will not work and is a stupid idea. but we come to expect that from Ross.

First of all Armando you could not be more wrong about the coaches having to I learn a new system. In my humble opinion, a good coach knows how to adapt to the strength of his players and if Manning knows a system well enough to be the great Peyton Mannig, then maybe our coaches should learn the new system. Secondly, he is a seasoned quarterback who knows how to get he job done and accomplish a mission. Do you prefer a rookie quarterback who has to learn the speed of the game, guess what, a year or two if we are lucky. We wold be lucky to have such a leader like Maning on the offensive side of the ball. Ou are confused guy.

Did somebody just say trade up for Tannehill?

If Miami even trades DOWN for Tannehill, Sherman will resign!

Have you guys noticed how many people dislike Armando i think he does terrible work? I thought I was the only one but the other day I was listening to 560 wqam on the michael irvin show and they were doing an interview with Omar Kelly and they were all making fun of Armando and then yesterday I was listening to 940 am and suddenly i hear the amigo is the host of the show which i thought he worked with Armando but in the show he says how he moved because of how much he hates Armando and how much his family hates him and then the amigos co-host was in complete agreement saying how he disliked him as well....

For those who say just draft RG111, do you not understand that we don't have the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, or 4th pick in the draft to make that happen. If Cleveland wants him they have WAY more to offer. The Rams are going to take the highest offer. As much as I'd be excited to get RG111 - giving up 3 first round picks plus is a steep price to pay, and thay may not be enough. Flynn we can throw money at, but RG111 will require way more effort, and the competition for him will be HUGE.. Too many teams that have more draft picks and ability to entice the Rams ahead of us. If we can pull it off great, but only if the price is right.

phinatic, what do you mean we don't have the picks? Sure we do. We switch first round picks this year, you offer them our first next year and a 4th, and you also offer a first in 2014 + a Pro Bowl LT (Jake Long). Now I agree they might say no, but at least try. I think it would be a good trade for both teams. The Rams need the pikcs and would get a Pro Bowl LT in Jake Long to protect Sam Bradford. Miami finally gets a QB who could become someone special...Worth a try imo...Worse case scenario, they say no and we draft a pass rusher...

Antonio learn how to use periods to form sentences. I wan't intelligent fans. Can you imagine if I tried to lead the team with run on sentences like yours? They'd fall asleep!

Chill out with the Armando hate......you may not agree with his writing, but it's not like he attacked your family or something....sheesh

#1 Dolphin Fan in Montreal,

If we got Orton we would NOT have started 0-7. As it turned out Moore was a huge surprise that no one expected.

RG3 will be on the board when we pick. I'm just afraid he's another Pat White.

Dave, maybe, maybe not. We'll never know...But the fact is Orton isn't worth spending millions on...Unless you think he's the long term answer...Ross obviously didn't think so...

Chill out with the Armando hate......you may not agree with his writing, but it's not like he attacked your family or something....sheesh

Posted by: Ohio Dolfan | February 09, 2012 at 01:54 PM

Not true. My family does not fit into his description of worthwhile human beings:

Kid lives right, prays hard, works hard, comes from a military family and is getting married soon. He's the kind of kid you want as a son-in-law.

Read more here: http://miamiherald.typepad.com/dolphins_in_depth/2012/02/sometimes-the-steep-price-of-trading-up-is-worthwhile.html#storylink=cpy

Whats wrong with you people, Manning is a HOF QB and a top 5 QB as of present. With the talent Miami has now, Manning could take the to the big dance. Wake up people, this oppurtunity dont come around to often. Manning is a for sure thing.

Posted by: Ryan | February 09, 2012 at 05:37 AM

Lol. He can't feel his triceps, he's about as good as Chad Pennington after 3 shoulder surgeries at the moment. No one wants damaged goods for $20 million

Steve K, RG3 on the board when we pick? Are you kidding me? He won't make it past #5...And that's stretching it...

I fail to see how him stating who he would like as a son-in-law has anything to do with your family.

You're just looking for drama......you bored?

Agree with you Odin.
Of course I'm also in the "don't draft Tannehill at all" camp, but trading any direction in order to get him makes no sense.

Unless it's Griffin, QB in the first round would be blowing a shot at a playmaker elsewhere. All decent QBs after Luck and Griffin are 2nd-3rd round picks. Weeden is the wildcard. Could be anywhere from pick # 10 to pick #62. Cousins will be available round 2 easy.

Dear Mr. Ohio,

What's say you and I round up the boys and pay Omar a little visit?

Omar buckled like a little Be-atch when Burnett confronted him over his big mouth.

Can you imagine the fear Oscar and ALoco would put on him?

We don't always have to agree with Armando, but when it's it's all said and done, he's OUR Armando!

PS: Oscar, ALoco, have Smalls pull the car around! We're going over to the Sentinel!

The funny thing about this post by Mando is were he questions whether a healthy Manning can help the career of Philbin or not. Listen closely, IF the Dolphins have to go with either Matt Moore or Flynn at QB there will be alot of hick ups in the road, make no mistake. The jaded Miami fanbase will declare it a flop if we sign M.Flynn and he doesn't pan out. He could very well be AJ Feeley in sheeps clothing given your talking about a QB who played on a Natl. Champ. team at LSU this isn't Kurt Warner coming out of Northern Iowa.

Even IF Manning flops the fact that the Dolphins would take the risk on Peyton while drafting a QB in this yrs. draft would buy Coach Joe time with the Fanbase while grooming the future. I hear the talk on Flynn but ask myself why a Natl. Camp. QB fell to Rd.7?? He fell there because of his very suspect Ken Dorsey (UM GOD) like weak arm don't kid yourselves and when NFL teams pick up his tendencies he will look like the 7th rounder he was, please stop the CRAZY talk!!

Haha Odin that's hilarious......

Yea I'm not trying to be Mando's best friend or anything, I'm saying let's keep this crap in perspective.

PS: Make sure to save a seat for Aloco's Lizard the Iguana.


Steve K, RG3 on the board when we pick? Are you kidding me? He won't make it past #5...And that's stretching it...

Posted by: #1 Dolphin Fan in Montreal | February 09, 2012 at 02:02 PM


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Many said the same thing about Brady Quinn. Dont be surprised when RG3 isnt the 2nd QB taken.
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Montreal,

For all of Ross' faults, I commend him for vetoing the Orton deal.

Henne is better than Orton and Moore better than both.

Ross exhibited a little business acumen in not overspending on Orton.

Steve K, RG3 and Brady Quinn is not the same thing at all. Everybody knew Quinn wouldn't go 1 or 2. As a matter of fact, most people knew he'd be available for the Dolphins when they'd pick. RG3 is either a #1 or a #2. Tony Dungy already said publicly that if he'd be the Colts, he would take RG3 instead of Luck. And Tony Dungy knows a thing or two about football...RG3 is rated MUCH HIGHER than Brady Quinn ever was...

odinseye, yes, I commend him as well...Maybe we wouldn't of started 0-7 with Orton like Dave said, but we wouldn't of started 0-7 with Moore either...That Henne saga lasted way too long...

That whole Henne saga*

Have to disagree Montreal. I was at the Dolphin draft party and everyone thought Quinn would go very early. They were praying he'd drop to us. And loudly booed when we didnt take him. Is RG3 better then Quinn? Maybe, maybe not. We'll find out in a couple years.

B.Jacobs telling Gisele to "stay cute and shut up"...LOL!! Ouch!

Many said the same thing about Brady Quinn. Dont be surprised when RG3 isnt the 2nd QB taken.
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Posted by: Steve K | February 09, 2012 at 02:08 PM

Don't be surprised when he's the FIRST quarterback taken either then.

Ex COLTS Head Coach Tony Dungy(a guy Irsay respects)has repeatedly told anyone and everyone that he would take RGIII ahead of Andrew Luck.

Stranger things have happened.

RG3 will be on the board when we pick. I'm just afraid he's another Pat White.

Posted by: Steve K | February 09, 2012 at 01:59 PM

Not to get personal here, but this is THE MOST CLUELESS statement I've ever read here, and that's saying a LOT!

Steve- have you ever actually watched football?

#1

Tom should have said the same thing, lol. Who knows, maybe he did when he got home

Montreal,

You stole my DUNGY THUNDER-LOL.

I posted before reading yours.

RG3 would have been a 3rd rder in last years draft.

Steve K,
Drafts are unpredictable of course, but there are better bets than some. Best bet is that not only is Griffin gone by our pick, but good chance some poor slob team (like us) will jump up to get him rather than letting Cleveland or Washington get a shot.
The only high regarded pick I think will drop is Richardson (RB Alabama). Nobody seems to want franchise RBs anymore. Somebody will get that steal mid to late first round, IMO.

It's funny how everyone is saying 20 million for manning so we should get Flynn. I doubt anyone will pay 10 million yet alone 20 guranteed. IF Synder wants him that bad than oh well. He will take a few million in a bonus and then make his $$ on number of snaps, wins etc.. . flynn will cost us 30-40 (probably 10-15 guaranteed) and he may be nothing more than a high paid Henne. If Manning is ready 75% than make the offer, Ross is not going to sign him as is right now, I don't see it unless its an incentive laden npo risk. 20 million?? really???

Stop being a HATER Mando! Manning is very capable of learning a new offense. I am sure the staff is smart enough to taylor to his skill set but man youre making him out to be some ego maniac that can't adjust to anything. The Dolphins have quality options at QB this off season if they are smart but he is the best option if he is healthy. Flynn and RG3 have alot to prove. If Manning is healthy he does not.

Ohio, it's pretty funny...I understand where she's coming from but I mean if you look closely at the play involving Wes Welker...Sure he's made that catch over and over again...But Brady's pass was far from perfect...I think that was the biggest difference in the game...Manning was sharp with his passes...Brady was not...It wasn't the only bad pass he threw in that game...Sure Branch and Hernandez dropped easy ones...But Eli was just more convincing...From what I saw anyway...It always comes down to who makes the big throws...And again, it was Eli...

Odin I agree with your statment regarding orton, will hold true with Manning and his health.

Griffin will go 1, 2, or 3. NO WAY he lasts past the 3rd pick.

Everybody wants him now. Wait til he blows everybody away at the combine. I would be shocked if he doesn't go 1 or 2.

A writer up here in boston looked at every catch and throw to Wlker this year, not one was sinilar to the pass in the superbowl. Welker does NOT normally make that catch, its usually pin point in his gut or shoulder area, not that high.

It's my 16 year olds Birthday today.

I've been sitting at the house all day waiting for two ATV 4 wheelers to be delivered.

I just got a call from the driver. He's broke down somewhere south of the Macinac Bridge!

Sorry about going off-topic but I'm pissed! Waiting for a call back to see if I can go pick them up off the side of I-75.

I wanted them here by the time he got home from school!

Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr..................

sorry keyboard is crappy on this laptop!!

Furthermore if you saw mic'd up on NFL last night, brady was hurt after that hit, before that he was crisp and ready to win the game.

#1,

You are correct, I agree. And besides all that, even if his receivers were dropping passes it's just not the right move to say that about his teamates, especially minutes after the game.

I heard a rumor she was responding to some people saying Eli was better than Tom, so that makes it a little different, but it was a bad call for her to say that.

Of course Jacobs should have kept his big mouth shut too. If he ran the ball half as good as he run's his mouth the Giants could have won easier.

I just read the comments and thanks. I see some of you would want me to play QB down there even when I'm dead. Good to know. I'll try to get there sooner than that, but if not, after I die for sure.

Yes we have broken down,, the trikes were barely damaged. thank you.

Ross is not going to sign him as is right now, I don't see it unless its an incentive laden npo risk. 20 million?? really???

Posted by: ctphins | February 09, 2012 at 02:25 PM

According to Jason Lacanfora, you're ABSOLUTELY CORRECT.

He said Peyton's days of guaranteed **BIG** money are over and that's just a cold hard economic fact.

So its down to risk and comfort level. He's got a good d a good center and decent line. RB is good and a couple of receivers he can work with, need one TE and one more deep threat. He can make us a 10 win team.

Irwin is that you in Montreal?

My Phucken Spellllling is NOT terrible.

lol

Irwin? Nope. Wrong guy...

Mr. Odinseye--

I'm a rep from Allied Van Lines. We apologize for the delay with the bikes, however your other order for "Jill, the Brunette in a Box" and subscription to "Tall Tales Monthly" are on the way!

Everyone has an opinion. Mine is that RG3 is on the board when we pick.

ctphins, my point was Welker has made plenty of spectacular catches over the years...He could of caught it, he even said so himself...But what I find funny is everybody is on Welker's case...Pretty boy Tommy never does anything wrong...Well, I don't agree...That pass was far from perfect...And pretty boy Tommy was very lucky to make it to the Super Bowl, because he played like crap against the Ravens...

If you watched RG3's bowl game he wasnt even the best QB on the field.

Everyone has an opinion. Mine is that RG3 is on the board when we pick.

Posted by: Steve K | February 09, 2012 at 02:41 PM

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Funniest thing I've read here all day.

Four time league MVP

Super Bowl MVP

Smartest QB in the NFL = Peyton Manning


Drunken,skid row bearded scrub Qb Flynn that got lucky one game in a real good system and threw 3 Interceptions in his only other 2nd game now wants $50 MILLION CONTACT

R U Phucken Kidding me

Remember Patriots scrub QB Matt Cassle also put up the same numbers in New England as Brady for one game IN THAT SYSTEM.
KC then got suckered buying a "stellar franchise QB" for insane money and the next year was a BUST for KC and Cassle (and since have only marginally improved)

U dont go w the Phucken unproven scrub bum that has 3 INTs and a fumble in 2 games over QB Peyton Manning

R U Phucking kidding me !!!

Home 4 Christ's Sake ;)

1- Living up here I agree and disagree. It was a bad throw-agreed. I think he is a damn good QB on a crappy team. I still hate them with all my guts though!! But.. when he gets in a groove he is one of the best.

odin your backwards red neck butt ain't seen 1-75 in a long shot. Call you AAA and get your boy his ATV so he can go rabbit huntin with ya big guy !

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