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... And another thing that makes Manning wrong choice

A couple of days ago I made the case why I'm not too fond of the idea of the Dolphins signing Peyton Manning to be their starting quarterback in 2012.

I'm not done.

Moving on from Manning's health questions, his age question, his eventual decline, his being a short-term fix at best when the quarterback problem requires a long-term solution, I've come up with annother issue to ponder as I continue to swim upstream on an idea the Dolphins apparently are intent on developing.

I was reminded by a former coach yesterday that adding Peyton Manning to your team can become a royal pain in the posterior.

The point was made to me that whatever team Manning joins will have to make concessions for him. The team will have to run an offense he's familiar with to maximize his talent immediately because, after all, he's going to be 36 years old and time is short. No time for him to learn a new system and get comfy in the system and start to produce maybe late in the year and maybe next year.

In the Dolphins case, that would likely mean new coach Joe Philbin and offfensive coordinator Mike Sherman learning a system Manning is comfortable with rather than the other way around.

So let me get this straight: The Dolphins hire Philbin because they admire his work in Green Bay. They like the Green Bay model. They like the Green Bay system. And he hires buddy Mike Sherman, who was at Green Bay and feels a kinship with Philbin and the system he wants to run.

And having all that familiarity available to them, the Dolphins would scrap it all to make Manning comfortable with a system similar to the one he's run the past 14 years? They would make Manning the de-facto offensive coordinator?

One of the advantages everyone assumed the Dolphins would enjoy by hiring Philbin was expertise on soon-to-be free agent quarterback Matt Flynn, who played under Philbin in Green Bay and is obviously familiar with that system. Assuming Philbin wanted to make some tweaks to the system, the foundation was still going to remain and Flynn was going to enjoy a head start if he joined the Dolphins because he is very familiar with that foundation.

And the Dolphins are simply going to turn their back on that?

That would be better?

I have to say this: The reason everyone knows the Dolphins are enamored with the idea of signing Peyton Manning if he becomes available is because owner Stephen Ross loves the idea. And he's the boss. He is apparently going to make this call come heck or high water.

Everyone knows this as fact because Ross has let his feelings be known on the subject.

But no one knows how Philbin feels about it. Nobody knows general manager Jeff Ireland's opinion on the subject. Don't they get a vote?

Do Miami's football men have the ability to say 'No' to the owner if all their football wisdom tells them to go in a different direction away from Manning?

Now, I suppose it is possible Ross spouted his opinion on chasing Manning after careful consideration and conversation with both Ireland and Philbin. (For Miami's sake, I hope that's the case.) But knowing the Dolphins as I do, my guess is no such conversation took place before Ross indirectly made his desires known.

Despite my worst fear, perhaps such a conversation eventually takes place and Philbin and Ireland are all in on Manning. (Something that will cause me to wonder about both men, but that's another story). At that point it won't be an issue that Philbin might have to subjugate his system for one that fits Manning. At that point it won't be an issue that ownership is dictating which quarterback the team must chase first before checking with, you know, the football experts. Those points would be moot.

But it still raises the question: Why have such a logical connection to a young quarterback after hiring his coach and then going in a totally different direction with an old quarterback? Is that fair to Philbin?

And will it work?

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Manning isnt coming to this trainwreck of a franchise.

8 pages of nothing!

If ya wanna get the Fishers or the Mannings of the league you gotta fire Ireland.

This guy is seriously on crack - I can't even finish reading his articles.

I agree with @sula71 about Moore, however I do think Flynn is better than Kolb. and I don't believe Payton will be cleared to play. Too many "IFs"

chris weinke had a similar injury but more severe and came back throwing stronger than ever according to chris mortensen ESPN SIGN MANNING!!!!

Moore is a smoke screen guys...how many times does he have to tank after putting a few good games together..he's fooled many coach's in the past...

Flynn = A.J. Feeley

The Raiders just released CB Stanford Routt...we need to pick him up now! He would fit in well! Mando, get on that please

Flynn=Feely=Kolb= good for a few, then crapps out

No, Josh is right. Its not racist either. Black QBs don't win. Plays break down and they rely on there legs. Most of them can't read coverages or learn complicated offenses. It isn't racist, im the furthest thing from racist but its true. Why do you think Taylor, white, and pryor don't play? The only exception to all this is Mcnabb probably because he went to Syracuse and got a good education. But how many rings does he have?


The Raiders just released CB Stanford Routt...we need to pick him up now! He would fit in well! Mando, get on that please

Posted by: C63-AMG | February 09, 2012 at 10:24 PM

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We'll never get better picking up other teams castoffs. Other teams castoffs and poor drafts are whats sunk this team.

Ross needs Manning to sell some tickets. He's a nightmare of an owner.

Who's gonna pay to watch this garbage?

Who's gonna pay to watch this garbage?

Who's gonna pay to watch this garbage?

I think John Beck might be available. He is more polished now and might be a good option.

I always thought they should've kept Beck and cut Henne.

Beck, Henne all in the same..they both are backups and nothing more.
As for Routt, I agree castoffs are not always great, but Routt is good and we need a good nickel back...

What gets me the last ohhh 15 years is MIA always tried to find a QB and such by finding a late round diamond, getting an old has been, or second rounders...why the heck in all of those years we didn't actually draft first round or mortgaged the farm for a true elite QB is beyond me...we coulda had so many and either money or pride prevented it.. That's a shame, our past and present owners, GM's, and Front Offices should be kicking themselves about now... It isn't rocket science...it's about taking chances, spending more than the next guy, and getting playmaker talent

Ross, Ireland and Co. have no moxie, no ballsack, and no clue.
If they don't make some good decisions or at east a good solid draft

Eric B and Rakim were the OG's and greatest of all time take a listen http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2TN-kDEKxF0

Don't worry. As much of a fantasy it is for everyone to see Manning in Miami, it ain't happening. I'd put money on it.

Philbin definitely does need to be on board with this decision or otherwise it should never happen. However, should Manning be able to play it's virtually impossible to imagine he wouldn't want him. His level of play hadn't dropped last time we saw him healthy and Flynn has essentially already exceeded expectations as a QB in the NFL. He was a "solid" college QB and not much more. The Brees comparisons seem way out of whack to me based on his draft position (2nd round) and his elite play at Purdue. I'm all for Manning provided he's healthy/willing to sign incentive laden deal. One or the other is a MUST! It's the most obvious solution I think we've ever been presented and a healthy version of him would amount to the HEIST of the century in NFL terms...

ross is interested in selling tickets and filling the stadium. manning would do that. we now have an owner who meddles and a dingbat GM. both are clueless in team building. more years of futility ahead for suffering fin fans.

Mando thanks for reminding me why I get most of my Fins news from Sun Sentinel. Despite your obvious desperation to be respected as an sports "analyst" this column is more evidence you honestly seem to lack the analytical/journalistic skills to do so.

I'm heading back to see what Omar has to say...

Knowing the dolphins, and their past mistakes, I beleive they will go for Manning....MISTAKE!!! But wouldn't be the first mistake, or second, or third, or fourth...u get the point!

oh, dusty, both QB's were elite ones in the SB. As a matter of fact, Brady is better than Eli and has been so for many years. So, why did Brady and his receivers played worse than Eli and his ones?

Again with the RG III crap. Anybody out there want to explain why chasing this guy is worth screwing the entire draft. No more Vick , McNabb look alikes these guys never get over the hump. You RG III zealots are in for a major disappointment if we chase him.

Not sold on Manning other than the fat he would be hungry! He doesnt need 2 years to learn an O. He pretty much can run anything but a Wildcat.Draft a young QB dont waste draft choices get organized and win. We are in much better shape talent wise than most teams. I still dont see Franchise in RG3. There are 2 many guys putting up those type numbers in similar systems vs crap defenses in college today. Not saying RG3 cant be effective in the future but almost 3 first round picks not good! GO JOE PHILBIN!!!!!

look, we have a very good qb in matt moore. we should try and sign matt flynn. then we have a legit QB competition and both are here to support one another in event one gets banged up. we need to "build a team". unfortunately our GM is clueless and our owner prefers celebrity. more suffering is ahead for fin fans. RG111 is not cam newton and we cant afford to waste anymore draft picks. we have substantial holes to fill after 4 years of ireland.

It's all pretty simple... Joe Philbin coached Matt Flynn, he knows more about Flynn than anyone in the NFL. If he believes Flynn can make him a successful NFL head coach, Flynn will be our QB.

If Philbin does not believe Flynn can make him a successful NFL coach, Peyton Manning will be our QB.

The Dolphins will not trade 3 1st round picks for an unknown rookie. They might be stupid, but not that stupid.

So, if Philbin believes in Flynn, this Manning stuff is all a smokescreen. Maybe, just maybe, Boss Ross has finally learned how to be a playa in this league and has stopped showing his cards before the betting starts.

Home 4 Christ's Sake ;)
February 10, 2012 at 8:50 am

Dont listen to the “Scare U News on Peyton Manning”

Manning underwent three successful rather minor neck surgeries in 19 months

Home has a very good understanding of spinal fusion surgery

Manning’s spinal surgery was very minor in relevance to patients who have real spinal surgery in which four long metal rods and up to 32 screws are permanently implanted in the back

Manning had minor neck surgery

Manning is throwing the ball well already and will return to full strength, maybe even better, in a few more months

Opening day game for the Dolphins is not until mid September
That is 7 MONTHS from now!

Passing on Peyton Manning would be the dumbest move the Miami Dolphins could ever make and they have made some very dumb moves

Manning will again be one of the best QBs in the NFL prob for another 3 years

This crap about building w a rookie is just that, … crap

Brandon Marshall, Reggie Bush, Brian Hartline, D-Bess are ready now
Also Clyde Gates could actually score TDs if someone could consistently hit him w the perfect deep ball

Dolphins need sellouts esp w the non play off YUK teams we are playing at HOME in 2012

Reggie, Peyton, Marshall w draft picks going to 1st to DE and the O-line

Resign safety Y-Bell
He is needed in the new 4-3 defense
A run stopping safety is very important ina 4-3 defense

Miami would instantly be a legitimate play off contender

have a HARRPy day

ook, we have a very good qb in matt moore. we should try and sign matt flynn. then we have a legit QB competition and both are here to support one another in event one gets banged up. we need to "build a team"

Posted by: greg z. | February 10, 2012 at 08:19 AM

How can people say Flynn is legit competition? People see one good game and get so carried away.

If Philbin thinks he has potential to be great, I'll give him the benefit of the doubt. But until we know the fins are interested in Flynn, I will assume they are not. The chances that a 7th round pick is a diamond in the rough are an extreme longshot.

Two days after Indianapolis Star columnist Bob Kravitz said Peyton Manning "is not throwing like an NFL quarterback," NFL Network's Mike Lombardi also raised concerns.

Lombardi told ESPN's Bill Simmons: "He can't throw the ball. I've talked to people who have caught the ball from him. He can't throw the ball to his left. He can't throw the ball across his body because he doesn't feel it. People that catch the ball from him say he doesn't really have velocity on the ball yet.''

To the AH about Black quarterbacks winning the Super Bowl #17 Doug Williams of the Washington Redskins formally of the Tampa Bay Bucs destroyed the Denver Broncos

Yeah, QB Peyton Manning cannot throw the ball LMAO!

and Kobe Bryant cannot put the basketball in the net,
and Eli cannot throw either,
and Michael Phelps cannot swim,
and Tiger Woods cannot swing a golf club anymore

R U Phucking Kidding Me !?


Peyton is recovering from neck surgery
WATCH HIM THROW IN FOUR MONTHS!

First NFL game is in seven months

ENUF W THE CRAP TALK!

Miami Dolphins NEED the smartest QB ever, four time MVP of the National Football League, Super Bowl MVP
Wins at least 10 games every year for over a decade straight

Sign Peyton Manning and dont over think this thing

Home 4 Christ's Sake ;)
February 10, 2012 at 8:50 am

Dont listen to the “Scare U News on Peyton Manning”

Manning underwent three successful rather minor neck surgeries in 19 months

Home has a very good understanding of spinal fusion surgery

Manning’s spinal surgery was very minor in relevance to patients who have real spinal surgery in which four long metal rods and up to 32 screws are permanently implanted in the back

Manning had minor neck surgery

Manning is throwing the ball well already and will return to full strength, maybe even better, in a few more months

Opening day game for the Dolphins is not until mid September
That is 7 MONTHS from now!

Passing on Peyton Manning would be the dumbest move the Miami Dolphins could ever make and they have made some very dumb moves

Manning will again be one of the best QBs in the NFL prob for another 3 years

This crap about building w a rookie is just that, … crap

Brandon Marshall, Reggie Bush, Brian Hartline, D-Bess are ready now
Also Clyde Gates could actually score TDs if someone could consistently hit him w the perfect deep ball

Dolphins need sellouts esp w the non play off YUK teams we are playing at HOME in 2012

Reggie, Peyton, Marshall w draft picks going to 1st to DE and the O-line

Resign safety Y-Bell
He is needed in the new 4-3 defense
A run stopping safety is very important ina 4-3 defense

Miami would instantly be a legitimate play off contender

have a HARRPy day

:(

Home: Once I see Peyton throw a 25 yd out route across his body to the opposite side of the field...then I'll be a believer. Until that day arrives, I am a skeptic.

Can't believe I would ever agree with Home on anything but I think anyone picking Flynn over manning is insane. Manning is recovering. He is throwing the balk better than he was in December, we will be fine by September.

Marcellus Wiley was on mike and mike this morning. He had nerve rejuvenation issues in his back. He said he could only squat 100 pounds during his recovery. For those that don't lift, anyone can squat 100 pounds. He was having a tough time. Only got one sack in 9 games. He said something happened overnight with some new therapy he tried, he ended the same year with 11.5 sacks.

He believes he can recover and he would know because he's been through it. Lets not make another stupid qb decision. If peyton can't recover, we still have matt Moore and there's no guarantee Flynn is better than Moore, hr may not be.

I still believe in trading up for rg3, but if that can't be done, bring in peyton.

Ski bum dude,

Dont be soooo skeptical

Home is SURE the doctors dont want Peyton whipping, snapping and jerking his neck around at this juncture of recovery

Peyton is just making some soft throws and going thru the motions

It is part of the incipient stages of rehab

Only the morons from the media expect Peyton to be firing rockets at this juncture, cuz they r stupid dumbed downed sheeple w o an independent thought process

Be Patient

and hope for flakes :)

SKI 93 :)

Home is way smarter and more astute than he leads on.
Home simply expresses himself in a form of shock media and enjoys the entertainment value in blogging.
Once you get this, ....... you get Home.

Have we signed Peyton yet?

In order for Miami to want to part with millions of dollars and to use up that much cap space Philbin and Ireland would need to be looking at Matt Flynn as though he is a significant upgrade to what they already have.
Is Matt Flynn franchise quarterback material? That is what you would be considering him if you are going to give him that kind of a pay day. If you are going to pay someone the kind of money people around the league are saying this guy is going to command he needs to be that good.
Furthermore, you don't sign a guy to that type of a contract to bring him in and create competition for Matt Moore. If you are giving him that kind of money you are saying he is the immediate future of the franchise and he is going to be the starter from day one.
But, just like the Kolb situation of last year, I doubt there are too many teams who are looking at Flynn in that respect.

..Some of us keep forgetting. If Manning doesn't think in his own mind that he is healthy. He may just walk away.. This is perhaps the most likely of all scenarios if his body fails to respond to the re-hab. It could be 50/50 as to his future with a team, or behind a desk talking junk next year. Doctors, writers, the guy next door will all have varying opinions on Manning. Peyton will ultimatley be the one person that gets to make the call.

I think Manning is a mistake Home... Just another desperate attempt by the Dolphins to take the easy way out. You would think we would have learned by now, if it's too good to be true, it probably is. And even if Manning is healthy and can throw, Tom Condon will use Ross's desperation to stoke up the price only to go to another team, like the Jets.

Armando said it right... Fools Gold.

How are you BTW?

AMAZING....You are actually starting to figure things our Mando.....I actually agree with you for a change on manning....how about that!
I also aggree that Flynn is the way to go.

Please Phins Staff, don't screw this one up!

Home...agreed he is nowhere near 100% now and is surely making progress.
The BIG question is: Will he ever regain 100% of his old form?

Hence my point: When I physically see him throwing a 20 yd out-route, across his body to the opposite side of the field, then I make the offer...NOT BEFORE!

Trying to land that franchise QB is like playing the lotto. Except as far as Miami FO is concerned I think winning the lotto would have better odds.

But the BIG thing is, if you don't play, you won't win.

Need an update Mando. Give it to me.

NH....

Why would Peyton Manning...OR an QB not named John Elway even attemot that throw your talking about....Healthy or not...any QB making that throw (not named John Elway) has serious issues with his decison making abilities (Chad Henne).....

If there is ONE thing we do know about Manning...bad neck and all....its that he DOES NOT have bad decision making skills....hemce....you will not see that throw at any time.....

andyk, how about you shut your flippin, ugly, stupid mouth? Mando rules.

I love home, because he's totally right on every single post, both football and non-football related, and the fact he's 40% joking, exactly like me. Home rules. I am not home I swear to the mermaid goddess.

Anyone who advocates trading up for RGIII has no credibility on this blog and, in fact, should be barred from watching Fin football game.s

killerdolphin, in this country we write laughter as "hahahahahaha" not "jajajajaja." This board is in English.

It is beyond obvious that Moore is good enough to win a super bowl. All we need is an O line, a TE, one more receiver, and some semblance of an NFL-level defense, all of which we lacked last year.

If there is ONE thing we do know about Manning...bad neck and all....its that he DOES NOT have bad decision making skills....hemce....you will not see that throw at any time.....

Posted by: Kris | February 10, 2012 at 10:17 AM


False.

You obviously did not see his last drive in the Super Bowl. Pick six in the redzone. Peyton's bad decision cost them the Super Bowl.

messenger and other sheep, we are in early February. The season starts in 7 months. How Manning can throw right now is 0% relevant to how he might be able to throw in 7 months.

..Prof Lou..Just by assocation.. We have to look at Flyyn diferently then any other team out there..Save G.B... The Flyyn-Philbin relationship has been discussed in every manner
possible here so I will save going into the details..You know them.

My point is that I will not hold Miami to the sword in any way should they make a move the club believes improves the quarterback position. This includes going after Matt Flynn at a price that could seem accessive to some. Or a trade, or Peyton. This is what happens to teams that are without a franchise guy. You have to gamble a little more..Roll the dice on a Qb Miami

Some bloggers blur reality and their imaginations.

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