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... And another thing that makes Manning wrong choice

A couple of days ago I made the case why I'm not too fond of the idea of the Dolphins signing Peyton Manning to be their starting quarterback in 2012.

I'm not done.

Moving on from Manning's health questions, his age question, his eventual decline, his being a short-term fix at best when the quarterback problem requires a long-term solution, I've come up with annother issue to ponder as I continue to swim upstream on an idea the Dolphins apparently are intent on developing.

I was reminded by a former coach yesterday that adding Peyton Manning to your team can become a royal pain in the posterior.

The point was made to me that whatever team Manning joins will have to make concessions for him. The team will have to run an offense he's familiar with to maximize his talent immediately because, after all, he's going to be 36 years old and time is short. No time for him to learn a new system and get comfy in the system and start to produce maybe late in the year and maybe next year.

In the Dolphins case, that would likely mean new coach Joe Philbin and offfensive coordinator Mike Sherman learning a system Manning is comfortable with rather than the other way around.

So let me get this straight: The Dolphins hire Philbin because they admire his work in Green Bay. They like the Green Bay model. They like the Green Bay system. And he hires buddy Mike Sherman, who was at Green Bay and feels a kinship with Philbin and the system he wants to run.

And having all that familiarity available to them, the Dolphins would scrap it all to make Manning comfortable with a system similar to the one he's run the past 14 years? They would make Manning the de-facto offensive coordinator?

One of the advantages everyone assumed the Dolphins would enjoy by hiring Philbin was expertise on soon-to-be free agent quarterback Matt Flynn, who played under Philbin in Green Bay and is obviously familiar with that system. Assuming Philbin wanted to make some tweaks to the system, the foundation was still going to remain and Flynn was going to enjoy a head start if he joined the Dolphins because he is very familiar with that foundation.

And the Dolphins are simply going to turn their back on that?

That would be better?

I have to say this: The reason everyone knows the Dolphins are enamored with the idea of signing Peyton Manning if he becomes available is because owner Stephen Ross loves the idea. And he's the boss. He is apparently going to make this call come heck or high water.

Everyone knows this as fact because Ross has let his feelings be known on the subject.

But no one knows how Philbin feels about it. Nobody knows general manager Jeff Ireland's opinion on the subject. Don't they get a vote?

Do Miami's football men have the ability to say 'No' to the owner if all their football wisdom tells them to go in a different direction away from Manning?

Now, I suppose it is possible Ross spouted his opinion on chasing Manning after careful consideration and conversation with both Ireland and Philbin. (For Miami's sake, I hope that's the case.) But knowing the Dolphins as I do, my guess is no such conversation took place before Ross indirectly made his desires known.

Despite my worst fear, perhaps such a conversation eventually takes place and Philbin and Ireland are all in on Manning. (Something that will cause me to wonder about both men, but that's another story). At that point it won't be an issue that Philbin might have to subjugate his system for one that fits Manning. At that point it won't be an issue that ownership is dictating which quarterback the team must chase first before checking with, you know, the football experts. Those points would be moot.

But it still raises the question: Why have such a logical connection to a young quarterback after hiring his coach and then going in a totally different direction with an old quarterback? Is that fair to Philbin?

And will it work?

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Hellow...so your willing to buy a lemon now with the hopes that it will be come lemonade in 7 months?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_oO3yFVR3IU

Watch the video from his 2004 historic season and tell me he will be zipping the ball like that in Sept...

LOL @ sejaso....

if only you knew...if only you knew....lol....

How Manning can throw right now is 0% relevant to how he might be able to throw in 7 months.

Posted by: Hellow | February 10, 2012 at 10:27 AM


Personally I'd prefer a QB that is certain he can throw the football 7 months from now to one who does not yet know. Going into a season with the least uncertainty is has its benefits.

Mando, You are so right it isn't funny. Please God! Please let them do the best thing possible. Please let them trade as many picks as needed to get RGIII. That is the best possible solution here. His star will shine for years to come while Manning's is brighter but will fizzle quickly.

How Manning can throw right now is 0% relevant to how he might be able to throw in 7 months.
Posted by: Hellow | February 10, 2012 at 10:27 AM

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The problem here is that it is completely unknown. There is NO timetable for nerve regeneration....in fact, it may never happen or fully regenerate. It is possible that he may be able to throw come Sept....it's also highly possible that he'll never be able to really throw again.

I just threw up from the knowledge that so many of my fellow fans are so ignorant that they want RGIII. It's like one of those psychological horror movies where the big shocker hits you. Like, Bruce Willis has been *dead* the entire movie!!

Daryl,
You would first need to assume Matt Flynn has even been a consideration in Miami.
That subject may never have come up or could have been the topic of a short discussion and may have never been brought up since.

Ross is no dummy. No one that has amassed the countless millions of dollars that he has can be called a DOLT. So going on that assumption, it would indicate, even to the most outspoken critic of Mr. Ross that he wants the franchise to succeed and thus will do what is best for it.He would love to have the high profile quarterback that Manning would bring to the Phins but I don't believe he would trade many years of future success for the ethereal chance of Mannings one or at best two years of service. Manning was great and so was Marino and Elway, etc.in their time but today they couldn't hold a candle to Matt Flynn or Matt Moore and neither can Manning..

I find the comments about bringing in Manning and drafting a QB (either trading back or in 2nd round) laughable.

I'm pretty sure that Manning is going to want some assurances from whatever team he goes to, that the draft and FA will be used to the fullest extent to put players on the field who can potentially help him win NOW.

Personally, I think he'll scoff at the idea of using a 1st or 2nd round pick on a QB that can do absolutely nothing to help him win NOW.

If we bring in Peyton, just be prepared....it will be Peyton and Matt Moore....maybe they bring up Devlin from PS to carry the clipboard. In another 2-3 years, we will be back to exactly this same spot......looking for a long term solution at QB.

I just threw up from the knowledge that so many of my fellow fans are so ignorant that they want RGIII. It's like one of those psychological horror movies where the big shocker hits you. Like, Bruce Willis has been *dead* the entire movie!!
Posted by: Hellow | February 10, 2012 at 10:57 AM

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Mark it! RGIII be rookie of the year in 2012!

Wolfman, you're right, this year at least signing Manning means no early round qbs. But so what? In the meantime a healthy manning means we are a factor and when his time is up, we will either stink enough to be in a good draft position or sign a placeholder akin to Tennessee hasselbeck until that young guy is ready. Minnesota hasn't really suffered for signing favre. They almost won it all. They were a factor, and when favre was finished, they drafted ponder. I don't see the problem.

Dear Mr. Hellow

"It's like one of those psychological horror movies where the big shocker hits you. Like, Bruce Willis has been *dead* the entire movie"

Replace Bruce Willis with The Miami Dolphins and replace *Dead* with Acorns and we have a sequel.

Directed by Stehen Ross

Comming to NFL stadiums soon


Soiled :)

another example of why Armando know nothing

Mark in Toronto @ 11:09 - "Healthy Manning" is the key. That seems to mean different things to different people.

He will be "Healthy" in RE to being cleared to play and passing a physical....I just question whether or not he'll be able to throw ever again. The bottom line is that nobody is going to know from the workouts he does for teams now....nobody will know until the season comes and then you've made your bed.

Personally, I'm willing to forgo the "possibility" that Manning could "potentially" put Miami in the mix for the next couple of years for the "possibility" that an RGIII could "potentially" put Miami in the mix for the next decade plus. It's about time the Phins made a big move for their future rather than making small splashes for the right now.

Moore's stats next year if they let him start:

4,200 yds
28 TDs
7 INTs
62% completion

Team: 12-4

Brothers, Moore is 26. Next year is his breakout year. Let him play.

Wolfman, I also believe rg3 should be option one and have no problem paying the three 1st first round picks.

However, failing that I see manning as the next best option. Marcellus Wiley was on the radio sharing some of his similar nerve problems and he has believes manning can recover. Chris weinke did it too, came back and won the Heisman.

If we even want to go one step further and say he doesn't recover, well we have matt Moore as an emergency plan. That's not too bad. Sure he isn't the king term answer either but he saves us from a 2-14 season (which I wouldn't mind to be honest). There is no guarantee Flynn will be better than Moore. I just don't see the upside in that option being high enough.

I always wondered why if Armando is so “smart” how come ZERO NFL teams have contacted him to be a scout, GM, coach, etc. It’s amusing when he writes every post like he knows what he is talking about. What’s more amusing are the many people who post on this blog and kiss his butt. You both act as if he is the authority on Dolphins football and all football for that matter.

You shouldn’t take him seriously. He is very lucky and has a dream job. It should be obvious he didn’t get this job because he is a good writer. He makes grammar mistakes almost every post. Please Miami Herald; get someone who knows their craft. If we can’t get competent Miami football then we should at least get competent writing.

Has Ireland been fired yet?

Yes Ireland was fired yesterday.

Not an RGIII fan. He's got BUST written all over him, his game wont translate to the NFL and I dont think he'll be a top 6 pick.

I find the comments about bringing in Manning and drafting a QB (either trading back or in 2nd round) laughable.
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I find the above stament laughable....

NO FO is going to ALLOW itself to be HANDCUFFED by a player...not even one named Peyton Manning...as evidenced by his eventual release from the Colts....

Manning release=no hostage situation for the colts....

Manning MAY...or MAY NOT like the idea of drafting a QB in the 1st...2nd...or ANY round....but it doesn't mean Ireland give a dam....nor should he....

Brett Favre HATED the Rodgers pick

SO WHAT??

Montana's disstain for Steve Young was no seceret....but it didn't stop them from being one of the top franchises in ALL of sports for nearly 15 years....

Players get peyed to play....

I hope Peyton hates ALL the QBs on our roster...current and future...it will drive him to be the BEST he can be...for as LONG as he can be....

paid...

Brady felt the NEED to comment on the Mallet pick....

saying something to the effect that he felt he (Brady) "was gonna be the PATS QB for the next 10 years"....

The went to the SB this year....

Sports isn't love....its competition....and LOVE of Competition....

If a player is content....then the TEAM is in trouble....

Does a donkey swim sideways or what?

saying something to the effect that he (Brady)felt "was gonna be the PATS QB for the next 10 years"....

Fat Hank and Kris are both spot on. How many running QBs have led their team to the Super Bowl in the last 30+ years? Zero, that's how many, unless you consider Steve Young to be a running QB. How'd Michael Vick work out? Anyone think Cam Newton is actually going to get the Panthers to a Super Bowl? I sure don't. The overwhelming percentage of Super Bowl QBs are pocket passers, NOT runners. RGIII is a dumb pick and a mistake. He'll probably get a team into the playoffs, maybe even a conference championship, but NO FURTHER. Take Manning, who just last week in Indy was throwing the ball 40-50 yards with very significant arm strength improvement over the past month, and draft a pocket passer in the next couple years to develop until Peyton retires. And Armando, try doing a little research instead of blindly spewing idiotic opinions with little to nothing to back them up.

Kris,

Why so tough on Peyton?

I mean, just because we don't even know if he can play. C'mon, it's Peyton!

We'll let him dictate the Offense to Philbin and Sherman.

He still can't throw to his left with any velocity, but we'll put Irelamd on the shelf. Manning will run our draft for us too.

Then, maybe he'll want to honor former Tenn. Alumni at the stadium during the season.

I wonder how Peyton feels about 1:00 games in the heat and all?

I don't believe Steve Young was a running QB at all.

He was a pure passer that could run real well if need be.

Out of all the stereotypical pocket passers, Young had the best wheels and vision for running.

Kris @ 12:09 - Manning will go to a team that won't be looking to draft a QB. I'm Miami will tell Manning that they're going to use one of their high picks and draft a QB for their future....and he'll say thanks but no thanks, I'll go to the team who's going to draft players that will help me win now.

Why does everyone act as if Miami is Manning's only legitimate option? Personally, I believe Miami will come in around 4th or 5th for what Manning wants. Everyone keep coming at this with the "what's best for us" process.....people need to realize Manning is going to do what is best for Manning.

Odin....

The Colts former GM was on ESPN yesterday...and he said Peyton was making all the throws....

So the truth is in the middle....

Me...I don't believe the 1st report THROWN out there...Never have...and Never will.....

The truth will come out eventually either way....

I am pro-Manning until it has been proven he is a Shell of himself....

Let's forget Peyton for a minute.

For people who are backers of Jeff Ireland, and can't understand why others are so hard on him, here's an example.

Koa Misi was a versatile defensive lineman in college. What he WASN'T was an effective pass rusher.

So Jeff Ireland, the Genius, decides he knows something that doesn't even exist, and drafts Misi, to be the complement to Cameron Wake.

Of course, Misi can do a lot, but.....pass rush. So now, he's basically going to be either a backup or will get dropped, because he can't do what we need him.

THIS IS IRELAND'S FAULT! Regardless of what Misi can do, since he can't pass rush, this pick has to go down as at the very least, a semi-bust.

NO ONE at the time could understand why Ireland took Misi. And this is why, because probably 31 other teams knew what he was, and more importantly, what he wasn't.

This is why Ireland is a touchy subject to many of us. He makes head-scratching decisions like this, hurting the team and wasting picks. Instead of getting playmakers, Ireland fields a team of role players. What happens when you do that, you don't go over .500 for 3 years.

IF this doesn't change, this team will never improve.

DC...why do you leave your budy Parcells out of your post....you don't think he had ANYTHING to do with steering Ireland and our drafts....

Wolfman....

I agree...Peyton will do what is best for Peyton...

and UNLIKE Fisher...he has EARNED that right....that why we need to sell ourselves as the best option...

LOL
Think Peyton has played one or two games at 1:00 b4 since playing football since 4 yrs old

Miami did not even have one game early in the season @ 1:00 PM last season in the heat

The games were either night, away or started at 4:00 PM

Think the HC will dictate the type of offense, smartly to Peyton's strengths

and for the record, OC Philbin NEVER even called the offensive plays on game dayin his entire career w Green Bay

So obviously Peyton reading the defense and calling the plays is would compliment new HC Philbin

Peyton has won at least 10 games EVERY season consecutively for over a decade now, plug in RB/WR Reggie Bush and MVP Pro Bowl player of 2012 WR Brandon Marshall and the Dolphins hve serious game instantly.

but then again odinseye NEVER went to even one Miami Dolphin game. lol

Now Get Your Shine Box, odinseye!

Love
Home 4 Christ's Sake ;)

Armando writes pro Fisher colums...even tho Fisher doesn't have HALF THE ACCOMPLISHMENTS OF HOF'ER MANNING....

Yet we are already on our 2nd ANTI-Manning article in less than a week....

Its an upside down blog....

ODIN....

What Home said...

marino, you don't consider Steve Young, Aaron Rodgers or even Ben Rothliesberger qbs with the ability to run?

That is what Griffen is. He's not a run first qb. Take a look at his stats before you make a conclusion on the guy. He has nothing in common with Vick other than skin colour and stature. Cam Newton also had a boatload of pass yards. He's far from being a run first qb.

Ireland can't even be EVALUATED for another 2 season's....if you look @ it objectively...

right or wrong...good or bad....thats just the way it is....

Why would Manning come to this trainwreck? He has a bunch of better choices

Dear simple stupid SOBs,

Just like a WR w a torn ACL recovering from surgery
The WR is not going to be sprinting at record time in the 40 yd dash a month after surgery

Give it time
U dumbed down sheeple

Peyton is simply getting bck in the swing, going thru the motions and revcovering

Home has seen patients come back from MAJOR complete reconstructive spinal surgery w more metal in their back than T2 and 1 yr later ZIP the football 100 ft like a phucken lazer

and Peyton has had MINOR neck surgery

U Sheeple know nothing but the dirt u r provided to read by inept sports writers

SIGN PEYTON MANNING TO THE MIAMI DOLPHINS ASAP!

Personally, I agree with your assessment of Steve Young odinseye, he was much more of a passer than a runner, he just happened to be able to make things happen with his feet when he needed to.

By the way, SF is out of the Peyton sweepstakes. I thought this would've been his number one choice. Awesome defense, good run game, a good offensive line, awesome tight end, and a young promising wideout.

However, Harbaugh said no way, Alex Smith is the guy ...

Mike Vick was rated the 2nd best pocket passer in the NFL in 2010

yes, Mike Vick the running QB!

lol

marino, you don't consider Steve Young, Aaron Rodgers or even Ben Rothliesberger qbs with the ability to run?
That is what Griffen is. He's not a run first qb. Take a look at his stats before you make a conclusion on the guy. He has nothing in common with Vick other than skin colour and stature. Cam Newton also had a boatload of pass yards. He's far from being a run first qb.
Posted by: Mark in Toronto | February 10, 2012 at 12:41 PM

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This is what I keep saying. But because RGIII is black, the ignorant just proclaim him to be M Vick 2.0. Sorry, you don't get 4K yards passing being a run first QB. If people would look at the stats and then watch a little film on the guy, they would realize that he can spin it with the best of them.

Personally, I agree with your assessment of Steve Young odinseye, he was much more of a passer than a runner, he just happened to be able to make things happen with his feet when he needed to.
Posted by: marino4ever80 | February 10, 2012 at 12:43 PM

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If you were to read actual scouting reports, you would find that many professional scouts compare RGIII's style of play to S Young or Rodgers than they do to M Vick, V Young, etc. That's exactly the kind of guy RGIII is....more of a passer than a runner, but has that ability to be a dual threat. You don't rack up 4K yards passing being a run first QB.

Lets be honest men....

You want FLYNN over PEYTON MANNING....

let thaty sink in for a sec....

2 games started.....vs....HOF who started every game of his career for 13 straight seasons....

won 10 games of more 10 consecutive seasons...

2 SB apperances...

Has seen it all....

Can compete with Brad and Belicheat....

Makesy you INSTANTLY RELEVANT in the PLAYOFF picture...

unquestioned work ethic....

I would love to put some Flynn comparables on here....BUT THERE AIN'T NONE....

I am pro-Manning until it has been proven he is a Shell of himself....

Posted by: Kris | February 10, 2012 at 12:33 PM

Kris, I assume you realize my post to you @ 12:25 was COMPLETELY facetious.

You and I are pretty close on your statement:

Me...I don't believe the 1st report THROWN out there...Never have...and Never will.....

I would simply throw this report out altogether.

I have had spinal surgeries(lower back) because of herniated discs and nerve damage. 25 years later, my Doctors are recommending I have neck surgery(nerve damage throught the shoulder).

1st off, there's no way to avoid a certain amount of atrophy and that's simply because you have to immobilize the areas operated on during recovery.

2nd The nerve rejuvenation really doesn't begin until you start rebuilding the lost mass. You'll have some indicative sensations like feeling, tingling and numbness. But the recovery is whole process including the atrophied muscle and corresponding nerves.

So, as far as the truth: Nobody really knows. Not even Peyton himself. He won't know either, not until he's further along in the recovery process.

I think it's ludicris for AMYONE to try an make any judgement calls at this stage of recovery. He just came off of injury/surgery. Suffering from all the EXPECTED and NORMAL stiffness and atrophy.

What? He's NOT throwing 35 yard fastballs? OMG!

There is nothing wrong with wanting Flynn....

He is an excelent PLAN B.....

with plan C being the draft....

but just cause you like Plan B....doesn't mean you shoudn't LOVE PLAN A....

Lil Bobby Griffin is going to suck in the NFL

Does not have even half the football athleticism of Mike Vick or the height and athleticism of
6.6 QB Cam Newton

know the sheeple like the cute name RG3
and that is the extent of their football knowledge at the NFL level

but
C'Mon Man!

BUST!
BUST!
BUST!

Bobby Griffin is a track star,
NOT an NFL starting QB!

LMAO!

Odin....exactly....

I got roll....

Home 4 Christ's Sake ;)
February 10, 2012 at 1:02 pm

Get your Shine Box on RG3

Nothing but a Phucken NFL Bust and major waste of draft pick(s)

Ok Genius

Here is 6.2 Pat White IN COLLEGE b4 becoming AN NFL BUST AND BEING CARRIED OUT ON A STRETCHER AND QUITTING THE NFL

6.2 college QB Pat White passed for 6,049 YDs and passing 56 TDs 23 Ints

QB rating of 147.4

QB college Pat White rushed for 684 times and 4,480 YDs averaging 6.5 per carry and 47 rushing TDs

Thank HOME later for Not getting on the college sheeple RG3 bandwagon

have a HAARPy day :(

Sign QB Peyton Manning ASAP!

Armando could not throw a nerf football 10 feet to his kid in the pool ;)


WTF does Armando know?

He is the laughing stock of all Miami Dolphin football players as being the wimpy nerdy reporter

Perhaps u out of towners living in Bumfuk, Idontknow r late tothe party and do not know what local Miami Dolphin Super Fans like Home know

:)

RGIII had more rushing yards in his final year in college than Young, Big Ben and Rodgers had COMBINED in their final years in college. Look it up. RGIII's tendency to try to run to create things makes me uncomfortable, end of story. Rodgers, Roethlisberger and Young were not running QBs, RGIII is more of a running QB than any of those guys ever thought about being. Facts are facts, look at the stats, look at the rushing attempts. Now I will say that RGIII was very accurate and didn't throw many picks at all during college, but guys who try to create on their own just tend to scare me too much margin for error, especially in the NFL.

mando out today?

The latest news on Peyton -

In his latest attempt at showing his arm strength is indeed returning to pre-surgery levels, Mannings arm became detached at the shoulder while attempting a deep pass.

However, there was a bit of good news. It appears his velocity had returned to pre-surgery levels, as his arm sailed a good 60 yards downfield.

per Chris Mortenlombardi

As opposed to Manning, Flynn, RG3, or Moore, Ross should offer our #1 for Tim Tebow. He'll fill the stands and he's heslthy. A winner with a huge heart.

but then again odinseye NEVER went to even one Miami Dolphin game. lol
Now Get Your Shine Box, odinseye!
Love
Home 4 Christ's Sake ;)

Posted by: Home on the Herald | February 10, 2012 at 12:38 PM


Home is so Phucken Ignorant he angrily responds to a tongue in cheek facetious post.

And this guy is going to liberate us from the New World Order?

Bhwaaaaaaaaaaaaaa Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaa Haaaaaaaaaaaa

Take you dumb ignorant 1962 racists beliefs elsewhere whacko?

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