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Where is the 'hidden talent' on the Miami offense?

Dolphins offensive coordinator Mike Sherman said Thursday that in studying the Dolphins he saw some "hidden talent" on the roster and his job is to draw that out and make it show up.

This has to interest any Dolphins fan that remembers Yeremiah Bell came out of special teams duty to become a long-time starter at strong safety. It hearkens to the days when Wes Welker came off the waiver wire and worked his way into the starting lineup. It speaks to the possibilities that maybe, perhaps, hopefully, the Dolphins have a diamond here or there that simply got lost in the rough of 6-10.

Also, I'm a big Jeremy Lin fan so I believe it's possible for guys to suddenly perform when given the opportunity. I loved the Tim Tebow story so I think being buried deep down the depth chart isn't necessarily akin to being in a career grave.

But if the Dolphins do have "hidden talent" where is it? Who represents that talent?

Sherman hasn't told the players he's identified yet about his high hopes for them. So he wouldn't tell me when I asked if he'd name the players specifically.

But one can hazard an educated guess ...

If you're talking offensive line, which is Sherman's specialty considering he coached the position before, one has to begin with John Jerry.

Jerry was a coach favorite when he was at the Senior Bowl in 2010 and the Miami staff was coaching the South squad. Tony Sparano loved him. Then he got to Miami as a third-round draft pick and simply didn't live up to the hype.

He struggled learning the system, then got sick, then lost weight, then lost his job, then kind of disappeared. The start of 2011 training camp was no more impressive when Jerry started out on third team.

But during the season, Jerry worked at both right guard and right tackle, played in games at both positions, and frankly, didn't seem overmatched in the least. Was he perfect? Of course not. But maybe with some work, he can land one of the two wide open spots -- guard and tackle -- on the right side of the Miami offensive line.

Nate Garner might also be considered a hidden talent. He started games in 2009 and was expected to compete for a starting job in 2010 when he broke his foot. Season lost. Last season he returned to backup duty. He started one game at left guard and was fine. He filled in at left tackle one game and was over his head. He's not a left tackle but perhaps Sherman sees something there as a right guard possibility.

Clyde Gates. Remember the talk of him blowing the top off the defense with his great speed? Yeah, well, he caught two passes for 19 yards as a rookie. But perhaps there is a there there. Mark Duper and Mark Clayton didn't light it up as rookies, either. (No, I'm not saying Gates will be a Duper or Clayton so please don't read craziness into the point.)

I am saying, however, that Gates has learning and working to do. Perhaps with this coaching staff he can prosper and unveil that talent which was very well hidden in 2011.

Maybe Sherman considers Charles Clay and Daniel Thomas hidden talent because they were backups and didn't contribute to great or eye-popping degrees in 2011. I believe Dolphins fans are aware of the second-round running back and sixth-round TE/H-Back.

But hey, if Sherman doubles the production from each player, I'll gladly call them hidden talents all day if he wants. No worries.

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Turns out ALoco/Cuban Menace/Oscar/Etc, etc.......are also Home "The Chem Trail Freak" as well. All of them, one and the SAME. Unfreakingbelievable.

Just going over the blog and reading a back and forth between "ALoco" and "Homes". Check it out. ALoco was talking to himself as Homes and forgot to change his sign in name.


HOME...WHAt the reason for us being one of the WORST TEAMS WITH DANSBY,MARSHALL AND WAKE ? COULD BE ,THEY R OVER RATED ?

PS...... WHY WE R LIVING IN THE CELLAR FOR THE LAST 10 YEARS ?

Posted by: ALoco | February 16, 2012 at 06:19 PM
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Posted by: ALoco | February 16, 2012 at 06:21 PM
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Needed a real HC coach and franchise QB Peyton Manning
and fans that dont live in Delaware and spend all day masturbating in the cellar

U Get That, ALoco ?

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Posted by: ALoco | February 16, 2012 at 06:22 PM
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I knew ALoco used all kinds of Blog Hit Troll Aliases, I never would have guessed he was Homes too.

HOME...WHAt the reason for us being one of the WORST TEAMS WITH DANSBY,MARSHALL AND WAKE ? COULD BE ,THEY R OVER RATED ?

PS...... WHY WE R LIVING IN THE CELLAR FOR THE LAST 10 YEARS ?

Posted by: ALoco | February 16, 2012 at 06:19 PM
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Needed a real HC coach and franchise QB Peyton Manning
and fans that dont live in Delaware and spend all day masturbating in the cellar

U Get That, ALoco ?

lol

Posted by: ALoco | February 16, 2012 at 06:22 PM

WR,WR,WR,WR,FIRST!That is where we get this ball on a roll.

Could be anybody on the offense. Ricardo Wallace and Marlon Moore have been on the team for a few years and gotten no playing time. Perhaps will barker could play RT and what of Will Yeatman at TE?

If they are going to use some four wide sets like they did in Green Bay you would think they would be talking about Wallace and Moore.
Both showed some promise at the position but they saw limited playing time because Miami's offense didn't allow for them to be on the field much. They looked like they would have developed nicely had they been given more opportunity to play. However, Tony wasn't the greatest at evaluating the talent he had on the team. He thought Colombo did a good job.
They may even be talking about Hartline. Although I would rather see them try to get at least a third round pick for him they may think he's been underutilized and could be used more in their offense.
Lydon Murtha played well in the limited amount of time he saw action. It would have been interesting to see how he developed if he had been able to play a full season at right tackle with Jake on the other side.

Harbaugh found a lot of hidden talent in SF. No reason Sherman can't find it here....Just saying.

All kinds of hidden talent on offense. Everywhere. They just hide it real well.

Seriously, I agree with you about John Jerry. He played real well for Jake Long.

I think we started to see stuff out of Reggie Bush and Moore towards the end of the season that is promising.

I hope you Henne lovers stay off this post. The guy has had a thousand shots to prove he has it and he doesn't.

I don't know about the pine riding wide receivers. TS had a way of screwing everything up talent wise. Most of the team had never played to their ability because that idiot had a special way of taking away talent..

Aloco, oscar and the Cuban Menace are one and the same. I stopped reading their posts about a year ago.

Henne would be one of the best backups in the league. Why not consider him for our backup QB?

Henne would be one of the best backups in the league. Why not consider him for our backup QB?


Great work on the Aloco thing. why would anyone waste their short precious life posting under different screen names. Then again what the hell am I doing here trying to beg the organization to draft RG3!

please trade up and draft RG3, he is truly our only chance at an elite QB amongst this year's options. he would change the whole losing vibe in Miami. and give us a reason to go to the games. I don't know what the Matt Flynn supporters are seeing, and I do not see a potentially elite skills with him.

for real, Chemtrails are true. in every state and every corporate owned country. I given up trying to convince people with words, just look up in the sky, if the trails you see last longer then a minute, you are being sprayed with Aluminum and Barium. deadly stuff. we all need to wakeup...

Forget RG3 and Luck. They are both out of reach. Just because you want to trade up for them, doesn't mean it will be possible. One will be chosen 1st overall and there will be a bidding war for the other. Cleveland has a much more desirable draft position to offer than we do, 8 or 9 is too far back in this draft.

At this point, why even worry about the draft! FA comes first and this is going to be interesting. We will be able to gauge what Ireland and Philbin are thinking. If Philbin really believes in Matt Flynn, then he will be a Dolphin. If he likes the tape on Henne, Henne will be back.

The RG3 trade up is not going to happen, so why everyone keeps talking about it I don't know!

HIDDEN TELENT IN THE BASEMENT,HIDING ,SHY TO COME OUT ........


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Dont be suprised if they feel they could get more out of matt moore thre played well

Where's DC?

He is late. It's time for him to start with long 4000 word posts saying we need a QB.

henne sucks. the dolphins have a good backup. matt moore.

Moore is not just a back up I think he was a top 10 rated passer if im not mistaken that aint no back up

Dear Fellow Dolphins fans

Chemtrails and multable login names aside(I do agree with both) I do think we have hidden tallent on this team.

I have been listening and watching on Ustream to Mr. Salguero's radio show for tha last week and 1/2 and am enjoying the show...give it a shot.

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Moores qb rating was better then jay cutler mike vick carson palmer and rookie sensation cam newton and two points shy of superbowl mvp eli manning tha aint no f*****g

Backup

Sherminator must be talking about that hidden player that Pushed Brandon Marshall out of bounce on that would-be Touchdown against the Jets.

sidvicious,

Get real dude. Moore is back up. You just gave us all a reason why a QB rating which is a made up formula doesn't mean SHT!

Who would you rather have Matt Moore, Cam Newton, Eli Manning (2x Super Bowl MVP), Mike Vick or Jay Cutler? No matter what order you listed them in Moore comes in last everytime from a person who knows football

For Sprite and all my fans, but extra special for Craig M and Kris, I present, in all it's splendor, the start of something really, really great, I give you, one and all.. THE CONSENSUS REPORT!!!

Today's consensus report comes from espn radio, Mike & Mike. Apparently, the consensus of the guest reporters is, the #1 probable landing spot of Peyton Manning is...wait for it....the MIAMI FOOTBALL DOLPHINS!

My sources are falling over themselves, hyperventilating even, predicting Manning coming to Miami. You've heard all the reasons. They go on to mention that sets up perfectly the 1st-rd pick of Reiff Riley (or Riley Reiff, whatever his name is), as RT.

So there you have it sports fans. Believe it, don't believe it, who cares. That is today's...CONSENSUS REPORT!

You're welcome!

I also believe we have hidden talent on our team. I just think it's even hiding from the player who possesses it. Heck, I HAVE HIDDEN TALENT. I could have been an outstanding RB in the NFL. My talent just never exposed itself, therefore sadly, I didn't get my chance to prove it.

Dolfdan13.....

that was funny.....the play was very frustrating.......

DC,

I guess I will believe it when I see it. More yet even if it did happen I would hold my breath until watching him play in a game. I just don't see that nerve firing correctly. If they do get Manning I want to spend a 2nd or 3rd on a guy who get be groomed because Manning would have 2 maybe 3 seasons tops in him

Thanks for the heads up on Aloco,oscar,menace. What a waste of time for him and us. Kind of makes me sad for him but at least I now know to ignore all of those posts.

DC.....

Thanks for the CONSENSUS report....and since a consensus has been reached....I assume you are on board ......

It bodes well for the FINS if Manning concurs with the consensus.....

However....i will wait for the words out of Mannings mouth.....

Who cares is Manning can't throw the football. We'll have him.

I concur.....what a waste.......

The talent is hidden because Sparano never believed in his rookies. The guy was stubborn beyond belief and probably only played Clay because he didn't have a choice. I'm hoping this coaching staff is as good at teaching as Philbin claims. We haven't had a staff who was solid in that aspect in quite some time. I really hope fans realize what a mess this staff was last year. Sparano put it together but everyone knew he was on the outs so he was stuck. Made our wr coach the qb coach and named his very inexperienced son to the staff. And does anyone really believe Bryan Cox is a good teacher? Come on already! Is he still on the staff?!

Marlon Moore/ Alama-Francis??

THE HIDDE TALENT IS HENNE.

SHERMAN IS AWARE THAT FOR AN OFFENSE TO WORK IT STARTS WITH THE LINE.

MIAMI GAVE UP MORE SACKS THAN EVERY TEAM EXCEPT 2.

HE SAW TAPES OF HENNE AGINST THE PATS.

HE SAW HOW HENNE CONTROLED PITTS D LAST YEAR.AND IF IT WASN'T FOR A BOGUS CALL HENNE WINS THAT GAME.

HE SAW HENNE KILLING THE SAINTS D IN THIER SUPERBOWL YEAR.

UNTIL GINN DROP A PASS THAT HIT HIM IN THE CHEST AND IT WAS RETURNED FOR A TD.

I KNOW I KNOW IT WAS HENNE'S FAULT FOR THROWING IT AT HIS CHEST.

AND THE FACT HE IS 3-1 AGINST THE JETS WHEN THEY WERE THE BEST D IN THE LEAGUE.

HE'S HIDING RIGHT UNDER OUR NOSES.

Who, me? Naah, I'm an Independent.

Merling maybe?

Sporano was a joke from day 1 with that mobster soprano gag. He was always a tool.

Hidden talent,

I guess this is more of a wish list of hidden talent.

John Jerry - Sparano sucked at developing players so I hope this is what Philbin/Sherman specialize in. The guy seems to have a ton of potential. He needs to lock down a starting spot at G or RT and be a good starter.

Charles Clay - 16 catches for 233 yards and 3 TDs isn't bad for a rookie H-Back/FB/TE or where ever he lines up at. He could be a legitimate weapon. I wish he lined up more out of a pro set or I-formation and motioned out more. He is an effective player and I hope he takes the next step with this coaching staff.

Daniel Thomas - I liked what I saw out of Daniel Thomas early on but by seasons end he was reminiscent of Ronnie Brown. He could be a punishing, effective runner for a game or 2 but doesn't run hard for his size and in short yardage and goal line situations he stinks! They realized this and that's why IMO they signed Jerome Messam from CFL (6'3 245 lbs)

Nate Garner - I think he has as much a shot as John Jerry as succeeding as a starter. We all expect more of Jerry because he was a high 3rd round pick. I do like Garner though he seems to play well enough that I don't cringe when he is in there. Maybe just a solid depth guy but with Sparano's micro-managing style of the O-line who knows.

Clyde Gates - uh. I don't know what to say he is already 26 years old. He is a straight line runner, he can't stop and go, he can't run a route. I don't think he has a future in Miami but we'll see.

Marlon Moore, Roberto Wallace - nonfactors!

Of course Manning will land in the Miami Dolphins. We've been growing a tradition for being the most idiotic team in football, so we'll throw the house out of the window to get Payuton, let Flynn go, witness how RGIII goes to Cleveland for half of the price and then draft a right tackle.

Manning will come to Miami just as Culpepper did. Then we will find out what whole USA already knows: he won't be able to throw a single accurate pass for the rest of his life time.

Manning will come to Miami just as Beck did. Just as Frerotte. Just as Feeley. Just as Lemon. Just as White. Just as (f***ing gutless atarax) Henne.

And he'll be gone, leaving a halo of nothingness behind him and in our hearts, just as always.

Guys, We are the Miami Dolphins! Manning won't play again, that's a guarantee he'll land up in Miami.

I see lots of hidden talent on our sidelines. Cheerleaders 1 through 9 and also 12.

Want another proof we're idiotic?

Moore is good. He really is. I noticed it from the very first pass he trhew during the pre-season. So; Moore is the best QB we've brought in the last decade. He deserves a shot at the starting job vs. whoever they will bring (and we already know who they WON'T even try to bring because they won't "mortgage our future". -what f***ing future?-. We haven't had any since 1999 as far as I'm concern-)

Think about the concept: in ten years, the best QB we've brought is Moore.

Doesn't that talk a lot?

Lex Hilliard next Jeremy Lin.

Everyone counting out Murtha as hidden talent? Okay well Im adding him. Watch for the big man in camp, hoping hes going to be turning some heads.

Kris, no, I don't fully agree with Manning. Probably my BIGGEST fear is to have another Daunte Culpepper/Trent Green situation. I didn't include Pennington because he led us to the Promise Land the only time we've been there in a decade, so I'm thankful for his short tenure. But if we take Manning, and he gets injured or can't play, and never leads us anywhere, it'll be a BIGGER mistake than Flynn or drafting someone or even sticking with Moore and Henne.

I only want Manning if we're assured he can play at the same relative level as he has before. And I don't think we'll get those assurances by March. So it'll be risky.

I agree with Andy, if we get Manning, then it should be guaranteed that we draft a QB to develop.

Phins, guys I think Sparano might have not fully appreciated are:

- John Jerry (looked like Long to me at LT end of year)
- Jimmy Wilson
- Charles Clay
- Marlon Moore

We'll see if they get a real chance under Philbin.

Lutz thank u I been saying moore is a gopd starting quarter back n he will thrive in philibins system

Hidden talent,

I posted earlier only offensive hidden talent but on D

Vontae Davis - I hope Vontae actually grows up and finally gets it. He is a good player with a ton of ability but he is so immature I want to choke him. He is good enough to average about 5 ints a year yet he hasn't done that in 3 years.

Jared Odrick - He was basically a rookie all over again and I liked what I saw. He had 6 sacks as a rookie as a 3-4 DE. He also forced 2 turnovers (int and forced fumble). I hope he doesn't flash like Misi and then regress in year 2. I think Miami will play more 4-3 and Odrick will be a DE. Think Will Smith of the Saints.

Reshad Jones - He isn't anything special but he has his moments where he looks like he is a notch above just a solid player. He might be a long term starter at SS if Bell is let go. BTW letting Bell go saves something like $4 million on the cap. I'd cut him! Always better a year early then a year too late with aging players.

Sean Smith - everyone's favorite whipping boy, including mine! I thought Smith was going to step up this year but he didn't. He dropped so many ints in 2010 that I thought the next step was for the action to slow down and him to come up with 4 or 5 this year. He came away with a measily 2. He did tie for the team lead in passes defensed but hopefully Coach Coyle whose Bengals defenses were top 5 in turnover margin gets him to hold onto a few more.

Jimmy Wilson - I like Wilson he battles out there and isn't afraid to pop someone. He should be given a shot as the nickel CB this season.

I only want Manning if we're assured he can play at the same relative level as he has before.

Posted by: DC Dolfan | February 17, 2012 at 09:24 AM


Hey thanks for clearing that up. We were thinking maybe you wanted Manning even if he still couldn't throw the ball.

Sidvicious,

On what basis do you think Matt Moore will thrive in Philbin/Sherman's West Coast offense?

Matt Moore is under 60 percent completion percentage in 35 career games. He has 32 TDs - 26 ints. He also fumbled the ball 9 times last season. What shred of evidence makes you think he would be effective in a timing based offense where accuracy is MUST?

DC,

When did you become the bad guy of the blog? Lol. Everyone is coming for your throat the last few days.

There's enough talent on this offense in the support positions - just need a QB to unlock the key. Moore was respectable but they need something better

Blah blah blah, And another thing, Blah blah blah, blah blah blah.

Another example of DC Duhfans contributions to this blog.

IMHO, Peyton Manning does not fit in a WC offense.

Charles Clay is the guy I see as being the biggest hidden talent. I really like this guy and I think he was getitng it in the second half of the season. I'm really interested to see what Sherman and Philbin can do with this guy. I know a lot of people want Finley from GB, but I think that would be the biggest waste of money. I think Clay and Fasano could be a pretty good combo.

The other two guys I like are Jerry and Murtha. I could see both these guys being better this year. Murtha looked good playing LT in the preseason and Jerry looked good at RT and LT. I'm not as steadfast as everyone else that we need to draft a RT. Interested to see what these guys can do if healthy.

Toronto,

What's up man? Happy Friday! I think a QB and what should be obvious is another STARTING caliber WR. Hartline is invisible most weeks. He has a nice game here and there but overall he has too many games where he is a complete non-factor. He can't consistently provide a threat opposite of Marshall. Bess is too slow to be that guy and Gates is a track guy playing football. Miami needs to add a WR in FA or the draft who can be a starter.

This is why I been so high on Michael Floyd of Notre Dame. If Marshall keeps drawing so much attention a player like Floyd who dominates 1 on 1 in college has the skill set that translates to the NFL. However, I don't see Floyd in Miami. Not with meat and potatoes Ireland.

I believe Fins will trade down to get extra picks and then take Sherman's Tannehill in late first round.

Let Moore (Woodley) start and then let Tannehill (Marino) start towards the end of the season.

The hidden talent is in shermans hands. He is a creative cordinator who will use the same players in ways they have never been used before. Just my opinion but I think he is right. Miami is 5 or 6 players away. I realize that is actually alot but miami can get it done.

Names I am interested in seeing more of that may be classified "Hidden Talent".

Jerry
Murtha
Pruitt
Clay
Gates
Yeatman

Andy, I disagree, I think Gates will thrive in the new system and will beat out Hartline this season at some point. I do agree with you about Hartline tho and feel he should be traded for best pick we can get.

The team has no talent compared to the other NFL teams. Thus, 6-10.

Possible cuts,

A new staff means there may be a roster shake up and I think more than likely will be. So while we all wait on Manning or Flynn there may be other guys who won't be around.

Karlos Dansby - I like the guy he is a good player but he will count over $11 M against the cap next season. I said I like him and he is good but not great or elite or worth $11 M. I don't think he will get cut but he certainly needs to restructure that asinine contract. Consider this that Burnett had the better year once they starting winning although Dansby probably was the more consistent for the year. But what if they switch to a 4-3?

Brandon Marshall - also will make over $11 M. He is a very good player probably a notch below a elite but very good nonetheless and that's including the drops. Marshall needs to restructure that deal as well.

Yerimiah Bell - over $6 M is way too much for an aging veteran. I think if he doesn't significantly restructure like Vernon Carey he will be cut.

Tony McDaniel - a rotation linemen who isn't a play maker will make over $4 M. Cut!

Consider that Jake Long, Cam Wake and Reggie Bush all are in last year of their contract and deserve extensions of some sort. Long and Wake will cost big $!

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