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Starter QB demand double that of supply

How good are you at economics?

I ask because this post is about a fundamental principle of economics and good ol' American capitalism. This post is about the principle of supply and demand.

This post, by the way, also is about quarterbacks.

Simply, this offseason is not going to be very much different than the past couple of NFL offseasons in that there will be a number of available quarterbacks that seem on the surface to be potentially elite.

And there will be a number of NFL teams searching high and low for the available quarterbacks that seem on the surface to be potentially elite.

And the number of teams is greater than the number of candidate QBs.

That's bad if you're one of those quarterback-needy teams because someone is definitely going to be left looking beyond the draft's first round or beyond the first day of free agency for the elite quarterback they were supposed to find early in each process. Oh-oh.

Before I get into the ramifications of this, let's do the exercise.

The number of teams searching for a starting-caliber quarterback this offseason is eight by my count. Truth be told, it is probably more than that, but these are the teams most NFL people believe will be actively in the market for one of the available quarterbacks.

Those teams are Cleveland, Kansas City, Washington, Seattle, Arizona, Denver, possibly the New York Jets and, of course, the Miami Dolphins.

I did not include the Indianapolis Colts because unlike the other teams, we can be certain they will fill their QB need. They will either keep Peyton Manning (less likely) or they will draft Andrew Luck with the first overall selection (more likely).

The Colts could also do major damage to everyone's supply side economic plan by doing both, thereby taking two QBs off the market and creating a major scramble. But this is probably the least likely of the scenarios.

Beyond that, there are a number of quarterbacks seen as probable instant fixes to teams' QB issues. I'm not including QBs about to be picked late in the first round or on the second or third day of the draft because these, with few exceptions, cannot be instantly counted as immediate starters.

For our purposes, we're talking about QBs that teams will likely reach for with the expectation that they will immediately start in 2012.

And that number of quarterbacks after Luck is only four -- Peyton Manning, Green Bay free agent Matt Flynn, Heisman winner Robert Griffin III and Texas A&M quarterback Ryan Tannehill.

I would say even Tannehill is something of a reach as an immediate QB answer. From what I've seen, he's a project that will need a lot of work, a lot of honing, a lot of coaching to grow into an NFL starter. And even then there are questions.

Nonetheless, the grand need for start-capable guys almost forces me to put him in this group because folks at the Indianapolis Combine are talking about this kid being a top 20 pick and perhaps even higher if someone gets desperate enough.

So let's see ... the customers wanting to buy a QB will outnumber the so-called quarterback answers by about two to one.

Are you ready for a Black Friday-like scramble for the QBs? Are you ready to watch as somebody's going to be very, very disappointed?

For our purposes I'd like to eliminate the Jets from the conversation as a team wanting to draft a QB. The truth is they have what they think is a starter. And they have other needs. But because this teams is always wanting to do the back page headline grabbing thing, we cannot eliminate them as a suitor for Manning in free agency. That's the only place they probably factor.

As to how serious they will be, it must be said they can argue they're only a QB away from making a push deep into the playoffs because they made that push in 2009 and 2010. They can make the argument that there's no better place to succeed at QB than NY.

But they have salary cap issues and might have only $3-$5 million in space when the league year opens March 13. And to chase Manning, you have to convince him you're going to address your other obvious needs, thus surround him with a great chance to win now.

The Jets might not be financially able to make that argument.

That still leaves seven teams chasing four players. Let's examine those situations:

Denver? They also are only a threat in free agency. They have already stated they are going to bring in a QB to compete with Tim Tebow for the starter's job. So they are adding someone. But because they don't draft until No. 25 overall, they aren't a huge threat in the draft. They won't have the chips to move to the to top 10 to become a factor there.

The Broncos, however, are dangerous to the other teams if they chase Manning or Flynn. And that is possible. Fact is the Broncos can offer either QB perhaps the most playoff-ready team of any of the ones chasing a veteran QB. That is inarguable because not only did the Broncos go to the playoffs last season, they advanced to the divisional round after beating Pittsburgh. So they can make the case they have talent.

The Broncos also have a ton of cap room available, assuming they use approximately $27 million in carry over from this season. The Horsies can boast over $48 million in cap room to not only sign a QB but also address other issues that might concern a quarterback such as Manning.

Finally, the Broncos play in a division where 8-8 got them in the playoffs. That seems like a much easier assignment than say, playing in the AFC East where last season you had to win 14 games to beat out the 13-3 Patriots.

So consider the Broncos a (sorry for this) darkhorse candidate for Manning. They lurk and that is dangerous.

Cleveland is the most dangerous team on draft day. They have the No. 4 and the No. 22 overall selections in the first round of the coming draft. That means when the St. Louis Rams put their No. 2 overall pick on the block to the highest bidder, the Browns are a step ahead of everyone else in being the highest bidder if they wish.

What does that mean? It means the Cleveland Browns probably have first dibs on RG3 if they want it. They have the most chips on draft day and can offer St. Louis an immediate return in trade that no one else can match unless they throw in proven, young, outstanding players already in the league.

Overall, the most dangerous team out there seems to be Washington. They have both major salary cap space to work with -- approximately $41 million under the cap -- they have a proven Super Bowl winning coach, they have a hungry owner that isn't afraid to spend money, their revenue stream is consistent, and they also have the sixth overall pick in the draft.

So the Redskins can chase both Manning and Flynn if they want and if they fail to land either, they could offer the next most attractive package (as in having the highest pick this year) to the Rams. The Redskins are also probably the most desperate franchise searching for a signal-caller. They don't have anyone to play the position so they must add. And coach Mike Shanahan is likely soon feeling the need to produce a winner after failing to do that his first two seasons with the team.

That's not good for one of the highest-paid coaches in the league.

The Redskins are a dual threat both in free agency and the draft. They have a high pick and big cap room. And they can be portrayed as desperate enough. That makes them perhaps the most dangerous of the teams chasing a QB this offseason.

The Chiefs were flying under the radar until the Indianapolis combine because general manager Scott Pioli likes it that way. It's a smart approach. But behind the scenes they are clearly intent on bringing in quarterback competition for Matt Cassel. They said as much at the combine.

And while Pioli played coy about the possibility of adding Manning, coach Romeo Crennel opened the door to the idea. And everyone who heard him say KC would consider talent such as Manning's can see the Chiefs chase Manning.

They can make a strong case. They have nearly $48 million in cap room so they can not only fit Manning under the cap, but also add pieces to make him feel surrounded by talent and capable of competing immediately. That is probably attractive to the soon-to-be 36-year-old Manning.

The Arizona Cardinals are viewed as a team capable of attracting Manning. They can pitch the fact Larry Fitzgerald is elite and they have other offensive weapons on hand. They can pitch a domed stadium in which to play. They can pitch playing in a seemingly soft division. They can pitch the idea that adding Kurt Warner years ago got them to the Super Bowl and so a redo is possible.

But the Cardinals have only modest cap space estimated at about $10-$12 million. They have a proven offensive system already in place and might not be willing to change that all around for Manning. They're also somewhat committed to Kevin Kolb, who cost them a ton in contract money and compensation last year.

So I don't see them over-extending themselves for Manning. Chase him? Maybe. Land him? They probably are not a favorite.

As for their chase of Flynn or a draft pick, I don't see them repeating the Kolb exercise with Flynn and their No. 13 overall selection makes them a non-factor in the RG3 chase. They could factor for Tannehill.

Seattle seems a likely destination for Flynn. Their GM was in Green Bay when Flynn was drafted there. They have the feel of a franchise that wants to address the QB issue long-term rather than with a temporary bridge guy, which is what Manning seems to be.

Given that, the Seahawks could go all crazy and chase Manning and owner Paul Allen has $31 million in cap space to play with to surround Manning with talent if he desires. The Hawks also play in a winnable division. And Pete Carroll strikes me as a coach comfortable with turning over the offense to Manning where, say, a Ken Whisenhunt in Arizona doesn't.

Seattle owns the 12th pick in the draft. They'll have a hard time competing for RG3. They probably can chase Tannehill if they decide to go that direction. But again, this team seems like a good fit for Flynn.

And then, of course, there's the Dolphins. I'd put them down as a triple-threat kind of team. They don't have the most ammunition to get Manning because they are expected to have only approximately $15 million or so in cap space and while it is not so much about using that space on Manning, it would be necessary to use it on other players with whom to surround Manning with talent.

Miami is also a darkhorse team in a trade-up possibility for RG3 because they love the kid, general manager Jeff Ireland is well familiar with his abilities, and believes he has inside information on the kid. The Dolphins, owners of the No. 8 overall pick, have already spoken with the Rams about a potential trade-up to No. 2, according to one NFL source.

If the Dolphins do not land Manning or Flynn, I see a strong, strong push for RG3.

But let's face it, Miami's priority is Manning. Has been. Will continue to be. And it is probably solidified by the fact other teams now are viewing Manning as a good possibility. That mob mentality suggests the Dolphins are not failing to see something on Manning other teams are seeing.

No, both the Dolphins and other teams think Manning will continue to be a stud (I don't) so the Miami resolve may be strengthened. The fact both Ireland and new coach Joe Philbin said at the combine they are not tied to a 23, 29 or 33-year-old quarterback (Philbin's words) opens the door for the Manning chase.

The Dolphins don't mind going after the bridge QB. They're basically preparing you for that.

Miami loves its chances because Manning loves it in South Florida. As I reported first last week, he was working out in South Florida and as I reported first during Super Bowl week, he owns a condo here. The Dolphins see all that as an advantage.

The weather is also an advantage. The fact the defense was decent last year is a plus. The fact Miami has relatively high picks to use on players to surround Manning with talent is another advantage.

But the cap situation is not optimal. Competing against the Patriots every year is not a major plus. And even competing against Rex Ryan, who for all his faults is a good defensive coach, is also not a plus.

The Dolphins will be all in on Manning. If they fail there, that is a major, major setback. Where they go from there, I cannot tell you. The Dolphins haven't said how they feel about Flynn which would be the next chip to fall.

So that's it overall.

Later today I'll break down for you which players are most likely pointing to which teams. Obviously, the Dolphins are most pointed toward Manning. They are tilting the demand for the former Pro Bowl player heavily in a supply-poor environment.

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Just Passing By,

Youre pretty stupid for someone just passing by. Bye-bye! LOL

The problem with Manning....

He adds too much uncertainty. Will he be ready for training camp? Will he be ready for the season opener? Will his arm get fatigued?

Uncertainty stalls progress on too many levels. It's too much of a nagging thing to have to go through all off season and maybe longer at any price. For free the price is too much.

PENNE-HENNE HERE COMES MANNE-TANNE! LOL

You people that complain about Ross & Ireland are so stupid !!!!!.Don't you know it was Ireland's job to sign players that Sparano wanted & fitted into his style of team he wanted to run?.WELL GUESS WHAT IT ISN'T SPARANO'S TEAM ANYMORE !!!!!!.SO QUIT THE GRIPEING YOU SOUND LIKE MORONS !!!!!.

I trust Ireland will find us another Pat White.

Texas, great job of cutting and pasting every single article from ESPN and every other news source.

Ross says he wants to win NOW and fill the stands, Those two mean he'll go after Manning harder then Odin after a bottle of booze., But doubtful Manning will want to come down to clown land that is now the Miami Dolphins.Look for him to be a Bronco.

For our purposes, we're talking about QBs that teams will likely reach for with the expectation that they will immediately start in 2012.
And that number of quarterbacks after Luck is only four -- Peyton Manning, Green Bay free agent Matt Flynn, Heisman winner Robert Griffin III and Texas A&M quarterback Ryan Tannehill.
I would say even Tannehill is something of a reach as an immediate QB answer. From what I've seen, he's a project that will need a lot of work, a lot of honing, a lot of coaching to grow into an NFL starter. And even then there are questions.

Ricky, if ya like Ross and Ireland...ya must be a Jests fan.

Weeden IMO would start over Moore in a heartbeat he is the most NFL ready QB this year. I'm including Andrew Luck and RGIII in that statement. Remember he went headsup against all four of them and won with better stats each time

I thin Manning may end up in S.F. They have the D and the running game and are SB close.

Hey Rick, try again! The GM builds a team that HE envisions & hires the coach to suit. He built a big slow team which Sparano was supposed to be good at coaching it. The problem is, it's a smalller, faster league.

Sparanow was coaching a dinosaur if you look at todays NFL. Ireland helped build it.

Now that Ross has basically told Ireland he wants a more exiciting team that can put fans in the seats, he hired a more offensive minded coach & is looking for more athletic lineman, explosive players, etc. He has to remake the roster out of necessity, not desire.

You basically just helped prove Ireland is inept. Nice job!

No Im a Dolphins & Philbin fan you are a jets fan

Reality, harbaugh has already publicly declared Alex smith his starter for next year. SF is out.

Steve if you had a half a brain youd realize that most of the bad draft picks were Sparano's ideas & guys like Cameron Wake was all Ireland.

Ireland should've been fired over the Dez Bryant debacle. His classless behavior has alienated a bunch of players and coaches.

Sparano is the one that insisted Heen is the real thing,Sparano was the one who suggested Pat White to run his Wild Cat,Sparano is the one that convinced Irelant to trade up last year for Thomas instead of just waiting for their next draft pick.You get the picture ?


harbaugh has already publicly declared Alex smith his starter for next year. SF is out.

Posted by: Mark in Toronto | February 28, 2012 at 02:43 PM


And Saban said he's not going to be the Alabama coach....

Watch this year with Philbin & Sherman(ex GM for GB) in the draft room with Ireland. You will see a huge difference in their drafting ways.

I think Rex Ryan will Trade up for RGIII just because he wears different pairs of Kiddy Socks.

Rick, you loved Cameron too.

Thanks Microphone, I appreciate the compliment that you think it was written well enough to have been copied from ESPN and other news sources.

1. I read Schefter on twitter for news but will credit him when I write something he has posted as news. But I don't go to espn at all other than that.

2. I am an nfl.com fan and use them regularly. but do not copy / paste. Those were my own thoughts and in my own words.

I do appreciate the compliment though.

Weeden IMO would start over Moore in a heartbeat he is the most NFL ready QB this year.

Posted by: beerphin | February 28, 2012 at 02:38 PM


Oh yes, lets repeat what all the pundits say that prove to us every year they don't know jack and no nfl would hire them to fetch water.

Ricky, You consumed to much Kool-Aid last august.

We don't need a GM. Let's just seek out which players the pundits say have the 'NFL ready' stamp of approval. LOL.

Our #8 pick is really too high to take a Right Tackle or Guard. Usually, only a Left Tackle would be taken that high. It's also too high to take Tannehill. Either take a good pass-rusher (Ingram) or trade down and gain a pick or two.

Word is that Miami has already inquired about moving up in the draft. But, if the price for RGIII is too steep, they'll pass.

I think they're high on a healthy Peyton Manning, not so much on Flynn, in free-agency.

Wouldn't surprise me at all to get Manning, take Ingram #8, and then a rookie QB to develop; someone like Osweiler, in later rounds.

RGIII is the man. Do whatever you can to draft him. Grow some balls Ireland!

Sparano is the one that insisted Heen is the real thing,Sparano was the one who suggested Pat White to run his Wild Cat,Sparano is the one that convinced Irelant to trade up last year for Thomas instead of just waiting for their next draft pick.You get the picture ?
Posted by: Rick | February 28, 2012 at 02:48 PM

Sparano suggested Pat White? LMAO

Yea Rick, we get the picture. You've made it plainly obvious with this post & the last few. You're clueless.

Armando, can there be a competency test before being allowed to post here?

Wouldn't surprise me at all to get Manning, take Ingram #8, and then a rookie QB to develop; someone like Osweiler, in later rounds.

Posted by: Tracy474 | February 28, 2012 at 02:56 PM


Yeah, lets repeat our last 13 years of mistakes and take developmental QB's that amount to nothing. Yeah, maybe some late rounder will be the next Brady. If we do that for 100 more years, I'll bet we score once or twice,

To those of you that hate Ireland, I know why. You are all dumber than him.

We need to only draft players that have the Kiper 'NFL Ready' stamp of approval. LOL.

When do we fill the glaring hole at GM?

With Irescum as a GM you dont mind the owner meddling!!

To those of you that hate Ireland, I know why. You are all dumber than him.

Posted by: Dumbo

The hate is great for the emperor with no balls!
Ireland deserves every ounce of hate.
He is a terrible GM and I have no faith in whatsoever.

I know Im just another opinion but I think RG3 has 80% chance at long term success,but would be super exspensive, Peyton Manning has 75% of short term success & cost 2 or 3 times as much as Matt Flynn, Flynn would have a 65% chance at long term success, & Ryan Tannehill will have a 60% chance at long term success,but is still green & will need a year to a year & a half to reach his ceiling.The question is what do you guys think ?.

RGIII is the man. Do whatever you can to draft him. Grow some balls Ireland!
Posted by: No Balls | February 28, 2012 at 02:58 PM

Why would any team that wanted RGIII trade up with the Rams? The Rams are showing their cards! Everybody knows they like Bradford. They won't take RGIII at 2 if they were forced to pick. So make them pick! The Vikings should be the ones fielding offers!

Trade with the Vikes, leap frog the Browns & hope no one is dumb enough(Skins) to sell the farm to Fisher.

When do we fill the glaring hole at GM?
Posted by: Ron Son | February 28, 2012 at 03:02 PM

POST OF THE DAY., Maybe the year. Just saying.

Are we going to ask Flynn if his mama is a hooka? ROLFMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: MJ | February 28, 2012 at 03:07 PM

MJ, Why would he ask if his mother was a smoking pipe?

Just Passing By,
Youre pretty stupid for someone just passing by. Bye-bye! LOL
Posted by: Yesterday's Gone | February 28, 2012 at 02:29 PM

Great comeback there DB/YG/LOL/Flipper, Got to go now but I'll check back in a couple hours to see you Flip-Flop again, And again and again.

I agree with Rick on the Coaching staff. You people wish you knew, but you don't. Neither do I. NO ONE will know what this staff is....UNTIL they play some games and SHOW US what they are. Even then, we'll have to see them for more than 1 Season to see how well they can develop players, learn the personnel, make adjustments, etc.

It's easy to say today the HC is Cameron or whatever, but unless he goes 1-15, HE AIN'T CAM! May make some of you paper Cowboys feel good to put down Philbin, but he ain't done nothin' yet, so you have no basis on which to evaluate him.

My solution for you in that category...GET A LIFE (or a hobby)!

In keeping with Armondo’s “supply & demand” theme, I contend that, in addition to Tannehill, there will be at least one more projected 2nd round quarterback who moves up to the first round. I think it could
very well be Weeden…..and I think it’s very possible he could end up in a Phins uniform. I’m not advocating necessarily….just sayin’ much crazier things have happened on draft day than this (personally, I think the Phins will land Manning).

Here’s my current top 10 draft board (Miami’s pick is barring the signing of Manning or Flynn):
1.) Indianapolis – Andrew Luck, QB; Nothing new here…no brainer.

2.) Cleveland (T-St Lousi) – RG3, QB; They have the ammo to beat out both Washington and Miami. I’ve been trying to convince myself that they won’t pull the trigger here, leaving it to Washington and Miami to compete for this spot….but I just can’t seem to convince myself of that.

3.) Minnesota – Matt Kalil, OT; Almost a no brainer here, but they could surprise with a WR or top defensive player. They have no shortage of holes to fill.

4.) St. Louis (Via Cleveland) – Michael Floyd, WR; Surprise #1! Floyd wowed at the combine and his stocking is moving up in a hurry. Conversely, Blackmon has left more than a few draft nicks and scouts scratching their heads with his decision to not participate in the “measurable” (claiming a hammy), yet participated in field drills with seemingly no ill effects from said hammy. This has left some to wonder if Blackmon is hiding something in RE to his measurables. I also wouldn’t be overly shocked to see Reiff go here either.

5.) Tampa – Justin Blackmon, WR; Ok, so he left some folks scratching their heads at the combine…but his body of work is pretty indisputable. Trent Richardson would also fill a major need at this spot, but it just seems too high for a RB these days.

6.) Washington – Ryan Tannehill, QB; Surprise #2! A reach? Probably, considering he’s a projected late first rounder at this point on most boards. But, with the new CBA, this isn’t as big a risk as it would have been in the past. To boot, a number of scouting reports liken his physical abilities as well as on the field presence to Jake Locker, whom Shanahan coveted for a good two years.

7.) Jacksonville – Kendal Wright, WR; Most would consider this to be a reach at 7; however, it shouldn’t really surprise anyone too much….Jacksonville has arguably the worst receiving corps in the NFL and must remedy that and give Gabbert something to work with.

8.) Miami – Brandon Weeden, QB; Surprise #3…..actually, SHOCKER as the call comes in. In reality, I don’t think this is as crazy as it may seem on paper. As with Tannehill going to Washington, this is not nearly the risk that it would have been a couple of years ago under the old CBA. To boot, if you listen to many draft nicks and analysts, Weeden is believed to be the most NFL ready QB behind Andrew Luck; the limiting factor is his age. If he were 5 years younger, he would be a consensus top 10 pick. This could come as a trade down as well, but the Phins should be careful here if they really want him. He will most probably be a very attractive pick for teams like Seattle, Denver, and KC. Of course, they may go with the tride and true O-lineman here for what would seem like the millionth time. A top defensive player would also be an option, though I can’t see them investing high in a CB this year and that pretty much leaves Coples who is a nice DE, but really not much of a pass rush threat.

9.) Carolina – Morris Claiborne, CB; This guy is a top 5 prospect and Carolina would love to land him here. To boot, this pick would fill a huge void for the Panthers. He’s really too good to pass up here, but I could also see them taking a look at some interior help on the D line.

10.) Buffalo – Coby Fleener; I think Gronkowski and success of other former basket ball players turned football TEs might put a premium on guys like Fleener. He’s currently projecting as a late 1st rounder, but I’m not going to be shocked as he sky rockets on draft day. He’s big, tall, strong, and fast, with soft hands to boot. At Stanford, he has lined up as TE as well as at every WR position and was one of Luck’s favorite targets. He could be just what the doctor ordered for Fitzpatrick. Otherwise, look for Buffalo to draft a WR.

I agree with Rick on the Coaching staff. You people wish you knew, but you don't. Neither do I. NO ONE will know what this staff is....UNTIL they play some games and SHOW US what they are. Even then, we'll have to see them for more than 1 Season to see how well they can develop players, learn the personnel, make adjustments, etc.

It's easy to say today the HC is Cameron or whatever, but unless he goes 1-15, HE AIN'T CAM! May make some of you paper Cowboys feel good to put down Philbin, but he ain't done nothin' yet, so you have no basis on which to evaluate him.

My solution for you in that category...GET A LIFE (or a hobby)!

Posted by: DC Dolfan | February 28, 2012 at 03:33 PM


And you could use some anger management classes.

Captain Obvious,

Actually its Fisher and not the Rams who are showing thier cards. Think about it, now Fisher's showing us exactly why he chose the Rams over the Dolphins.

The Rams are a team that already has the "young franchise qb". Plus, he can get a slew of building blocks as teams "salivate" to trade up for thier #2 overall pick. The potential to build a "real conter" and do it fast was far more appealing to Fisher than "plodding thru the mud" and Bill Bellichik's AFC East with the dysfunctional Dolphins.

I really cant blame the man for this. Hius first great coaching move may have already occurred. That is sayiong no to Ross/Ireland.

Wolfman you done lost your mind if you have Dolphins selected Weeden at 8.

Wolfman -- Way to put yourself out there. You seem to have a lot of shocking picks in there.

1. Floyd before Blackmon.
2. Wright to Jax at 7.
3. Weeden to Miami at 8.

BUT the biggest shocker in there to me is more the Fleener pick. I do understand because the success in NE and all but I don't see the Bills as a team that would do that.

Rams will be a serious playoff contender in the next 2-3yrs. Trading away the #2 overall pick will be the foundation from which thier nfl title will be anchored.

They already have the "young franchise qb" in place. Sam Bradford. Fisher uised the bDolphins as a negotiating ploy. Her was looking Rams all along.

We've seen young teams rise and fall, plus win nfl titles since post Shula. Still, 14yrs later, we still struggle to find both a legit qb and to make the playoffs.

When will the incompetency end?

Wolfman you done lost your mind if you have Dolphins selected Weeden at 8.
Posted by: Clue | February 28, 2012 at 03:42 PM

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Actually, I have them taking Manning, at which point the conversation will be moote until 2-3 years from now when we get to blog about the Phins latest and greatest approach to finding Marino's replacement.

Just saying crazier things have happend (i.e. no way anyone could have convinced me last year the Minn would take Ponder early in the 1st).

Also, like I said, it's not nearly as risky as it used to be with the new CBA in place...I think you'll see a lot more teams reach for QBs earlier given the now limited risk and the "supply and demand" issue as noted by Armando.

It's interesting to note that Manning and Flynn's fate are tied together, if the Fins go acquire Peyton that means they have no faith in Flynn and if Peyton is let go that means the Colts have no faith in Manning. It's more than likely we will get a quality QB in free agency which will help us in the draft and no matter who we get, we still should get a QB in the draft. I believe(and I may be in the minority)is that the Dolphins need to trade down and get some extra picks. We still need Oline help, pass rusher and possible QB help.

Similarities doi exist between Cam Cameron and Joe Philbin. So posters that mentioned this are right on the money.

We assumed that coming from an offense that produced Drew Brees and Phillip Rivers Cameron was the man who would pull us out of our qb doldrums. Now we're assumming that coming from an offense that produced Brett Favre and Aaron Rodgers Joe Philbin will be that guy.

With Cameron we had the 9th overall pick. With Philbin there was a 8th-9th overall pick coing flip. We won and pick 8th overall, similar to the beginning of the Cameron era.

The good news: "Ted Ginn" isnt available this time around. But..... will Philbin bring him back? LOL

that's true clue.Miami will do 1 of three things Trade the farn for RG3, pick,draft OT Riley Reiff 8th or De Melvin Ingram 8th.

We can use Ted now..

I have been on this subject regarding Mando's post for sometime and agree with his assessments but see other scenarios.

For starters Matt Flynn is a better fit in Cleveland than he is in Seattle. The Offense in G.B.(West Coast S.F.) is one that was installed by M.Holgrem since way back in the early-90's everybody who's coached the Pack since has kept it while adding there own wrinkles McCarthy is more vertical given his unique pieces. Holgrem took it with him to Seattle and traded for M.Hassalbeck who flourished in it having learned it while a back up to Favre.

In Flynn Holgrem knows what he gets and keeps his picks in a deep draft to address needs across the board. He knows how to use the draft and build teams and can see him going this route rather than mortgaging his team into 2014. Everybody forgets that if not for horrible phantom calls in S.B. XL Holgrem would have been the 1st H.C. to win S.B.'s with 2 different teams and he maybe the one G.M. out there who isn't exactly looking for an RG3 but more his cerebral signal caller having gone the route with Seneca Wallace whom he drafted in Rd.4 in 03 in Seattle instead opting for a trigger man to run his W.C. Offense.

Seattle may actually be the front runner for P.Manning if not for the fact they essentially play for a European type plane ride (8 to 12 Hrs. Gulf Coast // down South) on the other side of the Country in the Pacific Northwest near Vancouver. They have the H.C. who would let Manning do it his way and some real nice pieces on O with Z.Miller, Sydney Rice and M. (BEAST MODE) Lynch at R.B. Anybody who has seen Peyton play knows his T.E. and WR performane along with some balance at RB is when he's at his best.

Wash. may have alot of CAP space but they have NO R.B. or WR to speak of except a bunch of declining old vets and C.Cooley is always hurt along with their LT to many ??? around them Offensively to fill in one offseason.

The Cardinals are more or less in the same boat as Seattle in terms of distance because I don't think Manning will want to move his family across the Country. I think the Broncos and Chiefs are probably are biggest rivals in the Peyton sweepstakes derby.

The Jets blew their window in 09-2010 and are declining in age. They aren't that big a contender and have all of Miami's same flaws with the exception we are a young nucleus while they're an older team across the board.

In the RG3 sweepstakes everybody will be in play it will just come down to who wants him more and yes Minnesota included who would be shopping Ponder if that situation would arise IMHO!

fin4,

I think Minnesota has ZERO plans to shop Ponder. I believe Ponder will be an absolute fine NFL qb. The Vikes problems last season went beyond Ponder. they need pieces not spending a 2nd consecutive draft with qb as the #1 pick.

Justin Blackmon could have a possible landing spot in Minnesota when the Rams trade out of #2 overall.

If the Browns were smart, they would continue to build and invest in Colt McCoy. IMO, its far too early for them to give up on him.

Should the Browns win the RG3 sweepstakes it may be to our benifit to look into acquiring McCoy. But Im sure Ireland's not proactive enough to do that. LOL

YG,

It all depends if the right set of circumstances came up for Minnesota regarding this pick. Remember they are trying for their new Stadium. They were in the L.A. converstaion and talks RG3 is a cash register waiting to open. You then have to consider Ponder and the injuries since College in limited starts last Yr. it reared it's head with him again. He isn't a deep ball threat but more of a W.C. fit which goes against what the Vikes run. You then have to wait and see the grade that the Vikes have on Griffin compared to the one they had on Ponder, so on and so on.

Wolfman -- Way to put yourself out there. You seem to have a lot of shocking picks in there.
1. Floyd before Blackmon.
2. Wright to Jax at 7.
3. Weeden to Miami at 8.
BUT the biggest shocker in there to me is more the Fleener pick. I do understand because the success in NE and all but I don't see the Bills as a team that would do that.
Posted by: Texas_Dolfan | February 28, 2012 at 03:47 PM

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Well, don't hold me to it, LOL. In RE to Blackmon, I'm basing assumptions on the fact that he has left some scratching their heads with his combine "antics"...and is now having to defend himself somewhat. It's pretty unusual for a player to have an injury and say he's not going to do X, but he'll do Y...and then does Y with seemingly no ill effects from said injury. To boot, he measured in at less than advertised size wise....so couple that, with not doing any of the "measurables" drills (yet opting to perform field drill, despite a "hammy") has left some to wonder if he's trying to hide something (i.e. not as fast as advertised, not quite the athlete he's been advertised to be).

In RE to Tannehill....I really do think he could go 6 to Washington...just a gut feeling.

I don't really think Miami will take Weeden at 8, but I do think he'll end up going mid 1st round, especially if Tannehill goes top 10. Ultimately, I think Miami will land Manning and keep Moore as backup. I don't think they'll draft a QB this year early/late or otherwise if they land Manning.

Wright to Jax....I think this is actually a good posibility as well. He didn't wow anyone at the combine in RE to his measurables or field drills, but has been impressive in interviews. Someone like Jax may look at the whole package and conclude that he possibly had an off day at the combine and would be worth taking here. Besides, they'll be desperate in my estimation.

And then there's Fleener.....yeah, 10 is probably a bit high. I'm a little biased....love this guy. Most boards I've seen him going early to mid 20s...but I'm not going to be shocked if his stock shoots up either.

............The good news: "Ted Ginn" isnt available this time around. But..... will Philbin bring him back? LOL
Posted by: Yesterday's Gone | February 28, 2012 at 04:00 PM

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Weeden could be Philbin's Ginn...LOL.

Should the Browns win the RG3 sweepstakes it may be to our benifit to look into acquiring McCoy. But Im sure Ireland's not proactive enough to do that. LOL

Posted by: Yesterday's Gone | February 28, 2012 at 04:17 PM

You are one heckuva joker, now all of a sudden you are on the McCoy bandwagon. It wasn't long ago you snorted and chuckled over him and said they'd be fools not to go after RG3.

You are the one giddy over RG3 but now suggest they keep McCOy.

Dude you should post in white text so nobody can read your nonsense.

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