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I'm a salmon swimming upstream on the Manning issue

INDIANAPOLIS -- The Dolphins are going to chase Peyton Manning if he becomes available in free agency. That is already decided. Dolphins owner Stephen Ross loves the idea of Manning and has established him as the offseason quarterback priority.

Manning first.

Matt Flynn second.

Drafting a quarterback third.

The Dolphins see Manning as a way to win games, sell tickets and become relevant again. Within their circle of power, they think Manning can do for Miami what Joe Montana did for the Kansas City Chiefs in the early 1990s -- and if you don't remember, that included one failed trip to the AFC title game in Buffalo.

So why am I against the addition of Peyton Manning?

Let me count the ways:

He is a huge injury risk. Huge! I'm not so much worried about his neck, which has undergone three surgeries in the past 20 months and is clearly a big issue. I'm not worried that a Rex Ryan blitz or Vince Wilfork would catch Manning in precisely the wrong position and injure his cervical spine that has undergone three surgeries in less than two years. The risk of neck injuries are a fact of life for all NFL players.

I'm more concerned with Manning's much-discussed dead nerve condition that has affected his triceps in his throwing arm and has weakened his ability to throw. I was told Sunday that Manning's arm strength has diminished by as much as 40 percent as a result of the weakened triceps muscles. And I was told the issue wasn't just to the point where he can throw on game days, but there would be legitimate worry he can throw four or five times a week.

If you know Manning, you know he relies heavily on building an instinctive relationship with his receivers. He wants them to see what he sees. He wants to know how they run their routes and he wants them to know where he's likely to place the football. The only way to gain that is to throw to them -- a lot.

But there is doubt he could throw day after day even if his nerves regenerate because the muscles in his arm could fatigue more easily than they once did.

But put all that aside for a second. Seriously. Cast that to one side and suppose for a second that Manning's arm will eventually be capable of working about as well as it did when he was in his prime. The fact will remain he won't be in his prime with Miami.

He's 35 years old now and will be 36 next month. That's about the time Dan Marino started his precipitous and sudden decline. Montana, too. Troy Aikman was done by age 34. Steve Young was done by 38. Warren Moon had his last excellent season at 36 although he hung on a couple of more years, toiling in mediocrity.

The fact of the matter is if Peyton Manning plays in the NFL in 2012, he would be the second-oldest starting quarterback in the league and that assumes that Matt Hasselbeck will be starting for the Tennessee Titans -- something the Titans are prepared to change because former first-rounder Jake Locker will be coming into his second season and is the future in Tennessee.

So unless Hasselbeck wins a starting job, Manning might be the oldest starting QB in the NFL.

What about that fact suggests a long-term solution to Miami's quarterback troubles? Oh, that's right, nothing! 

The fact of the matter is if the Dolphins sign Peyton Manning it will be because they cannot solve their QB problem the tried and true way -- through the draft. They will have admitted they cannot identify a potential franchise QB at age 22 or 23 and have the conviction to draft that player, develop that player and win with that player for years and years. They will be saying they must instead take someone else's discarded quarterback, one whose best days are behind, and gamble he still has something left in the tank to serve Miami's desperation.

This is akin to treating a deep wound with a band aid. The band aid may stop some of the bleeding for a short time, but it will not help heal the wound. It will not keep the wound from becoming infected. The Dolphins quarterback situation is a deep, deep wound. And the only way to heal the hurt is finding a player that can fill the spot and play it at a high level for the next 7 or 8 years, not the next year or two ... maybe.

Now, I understand the allure of Manning. You see the possibility and think the Dolphins would be adding Manning in his prime. You see the possibility and think he would make the Dolphins instant contenders and get them to the playoffs. It is a gleaming vision of the possibilities.

I say to you all that shiny stuff reflecting in your eyes is fool's gold. The Dolphins have been down this road before. Four years ago, having no answer at quarterback, the Dolphins turned to often-injured Chad Pennington who fell to them like a blessing from the sky.

And it was good for one season. Pennington's great play led the Dolphins to the 2008 AFC East championship. It was fun. But it was fleeting.

NFL games have a way of finding a man's weakness and Pennington's surgically repaired shoulder was eventually exposed just as Manning's injury will eventually be exposed. And when that happened, the Dolphins were left right back where they started -- looking desperately for a franchise quarterback that they didn't spend a high enough draft pick to select.

(The fact Pennington helped Miami to an 11-5 record also pushed the team well to the back of the pack in the ensuing year's draft.)

That's what would happen if Manning comes to Miami. If Manning signs, the pressure will be on to win now. We'll be in win-now mode even though the coach is new and has a bit of a honeymoon period coming. He will have to produce and general manager Jeff Ireland will have to surround Manning with as much talent to win now as possible.

That means addressing must-haves -- like a right tackle and a pass-rusher. That probably means not drafting a quarterback in the first round because Matt Moore is still under contract and that, along with Manning, is enough use of resources at one position.

So, again, the Dolphins will return to all-in mode with a quarterback that needs to be in that mode because his time is running out. Except the rest of the Dolphins roster isn't ready to be all-in. The rest of the Miami roster needs significant upgrade along the right side of the offensive line, at tight end, on the defensive line and possibly in the secondary where a nickel corner and free safety are needs.

It simply does not fit. And so, I predict, if the Dolphins go with Manning, they may have some short-term gain (at best) but have again set themselves up for more long-term pain -- like 2008 and the years that followed. History repeating.

I know, I know, many of you are all in on Manning. If he comes in and wins a division title, you'll be happy with that. Some of you think he might even win a Super Bowl in Miami in his declining years even though he won only one in 14 years with Indianapolis while he was in his prime. (I admire your ability to dream.)

Me? Give me a free agent chase of a great pass rusher. Give me a trade-up for Robert Griffin III or the selection of whatever rookie QB the personnel department gets most comfortable with. Give me the signing of 27 year-old Matt Flynn even. Get me some more improving and building for the long haul. Get me the short-term pain in exchange for the long-term gain.

I know I'm in the minority. I am like a salmon swimming upstream and the Miami plan and the Miami fans are big brown bears waiting in the middle of the flow to swallow me because of my opinion.

That's fine. Let's talk in two or three years when we're right back where we started and you're screaming for a young QB and a new coach and a new GM -- again.

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klc u have to be joking, moore is a backup qb. franchise qbs are money, eli in one season brought his team back to win 8 times.

Thanks CtPhins, It was the beer then, I only remember 1 or 2 times.

I believe Moore is a servicable starter and could start on a few teams(redskins,chiefs bills), but we need to go back to elite status.

They practiced the no huddle a lot I heard. Cranked up the heat in the bubble, and then they stop doing what won them games. WTF???

Nothing is short term about the pain around here. With that being said you have some good arguments but it does not appear to be a good year to grab a franchise QB in this draft either. Matt Moore looked good at the end of the season and now he to will be starting over. New coaches new systems. I just pray we got the coach right. I dont think we will ever find the right QB. It is tough being a fins fan but I am hanging in there. Our day will surely come.

CT, How many times did New England run the "NoHuddle"???Your wavering.

I'm amazed this post has five pages worth of content. Congrats Armando.

Here's my take.

I'm in the camp for Manning, but if Flynn is available and you can match him with his former offensive coordinator then Ireland is earning his contract with that decision. At that point you go with Flynn and for the first time since '83 you build for the future. Had CP not gotten hurt in 09 I think he is still playing, but it is what it is.

After watching Eli and Tom Terrific play QB last night, during the most pressured situation, does anyone have confidence Matt Flynn can compete on this level?

Adam is saying Miami is the favorites ryt now to land Peyton manning if he is a free agent by march 8th

Armando I was good with the "New Deal". I thought the Troll wasn't suppose to impostor anyone?

your a fuking douche Loco

Posted by: odinseye | February 06, 2012 at 04:02 PM

So much for that New Program...............

i just hope our front office makes the ryt moves...

There is NOT a new program.....

Herald staff censors posters.....as opposed to post content.....

Simple version....

If you work for the Hetald Staff....you can post any sick mess you want......

Odin, SO THAT WASNT YOU? AT 4:02?, JUST GO TO SHOW ARANDO WANTS HIT NOT CONTENT.
(BUFFET OF KNOWLEDGE)

People are acting like we have all of these options to choose from. They way peyton wants his contract done, it should be a no brainer if healthy. Teams rarley solve their Qb issues through the draft unless they are horrible.

Get Mannining.....Draft a QB......it's really not problem at all.....

I like Ross....seems that me and him seeeye to eye.....not long ago I said.....

Plan A.....sign Manning.....

Plan B......get Flynn....

Plan C.....draft a QB......

Now if only his business savvy would rub off on me......

Kris,

Lets see if you're right.

My apology ALoco. This is for test purposes only:

**your a fuking douche Loco**

The dolphins should concentrate on the draft and FA, not Manning.

They should make all decisions as if he won't be healthy.

Stay the coarse on this Jeff!

yeah manning destroys our future a little more. flynn and a drafted qb would be the right moves. mannings arm is dead

GREAT ODIN, WHAT WILL YOU HAVE FOR DINER TONIGGHT?, THIS ALSO A TEST.
(BUFFET OF KNOWLEGE)

Anyways, the Brunette is here and she's going to help me with some Physical therapy.
Posted by: odinseye | February 01, 2012 at 07:57 PM


You're sick fvck whinning about your miserable life.

Posted by: odinseye | February 01, 2012 at 08:15 PM

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Hottie arrives at 7:57

Odins next post is at 8:15

18 minutes for the hottie and then back to blogging all night long!

LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


BUSTED!
BUSTED!
BUSTED!
BUSTED!
BUSTED!

ATTN: EVERYONE!!!

Here is something no one is speaking about in reguards to Manning!

1. He has played on turf his whole career.
2. He has played in the same system his whole career.
3. I see this as a Brett Favre to the Jets thing all over again.

I wish this would all stop!!!

Armando,

You're absolutely right!

no not wavering.. I said i heard they practiced it a lot, but only used it about 10-12 times ( i believe they had 60 plays total so a fraction was NH)

SUPER STUD, ODIN IS A GREAT POSTER, YOU JELOUS CAUSE HE SCORES WITH HOTTIES AND EATS AT BURGER KING, MEAN WHIKLE YOU POST JELOUS STUFF ASND EAT WITH FLIPPER BRED AND CUBEN GOVERMENT CHEESE, PLEASE GO BACK FOR YOUR JONIOR HIGH GRADURATION.
(BUFFET OF KNOWLEDGE)


I wish this would all stop!!!

Posted by: JOE PHILBIN'S CLIPBOARD | February 06, 2012 at 04:47
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Joe...its OK to discuss it....change scares a lot of people....but change is inevitable.....

Didn't Favre go on to do OK with the Vikings.....in a NEW system....

If he had ever decided to come to camp....imagine how well he might have done....

WOW SIGN FLYNN AND DRAFT A QB??????????? REALLY ? LOL FLYNN AND HIS AGENT WANT BIG MONEY LOL LOOK TRY TO GET MANNING IF NOT THEN YOU GET FLYNN BUT DRAFT A QB? LOL THATS JUST STUPID IN THIS YEARS DRAFT ..ONLY LUCK IS WORTH DRAFTING BUT HES GOING TO THE COLTS....GET MANNING TO MIAMI LETS TAKE CHANCES MIAMI FANS WE NEVER TAKE CHANCES WE HAVE TO GO BIG OR IF YOU LIKE GOING 6 AND 10 THEN LETS KEEP MOORE...LOL IM IN IT FOR MANNING...IM GOING TO START A FACEBOOK PAGE THE MIAMI MANNINGS OR SOMETHING STUPID AND SEE HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE IN THE MANNING SWEEPSTAKES LOL

ALoco,

We try to have healthy dinners 2 to 3 times a week(mostly 2). Tonight is one of them.

The Brunette is going to Broil up some Soy Burgers and I'll be preparing my "FAMOUS" Viking Warriors Salad.

KLC, I agree with dusty here. We were actually the 6th-least scored on defense (Pats were 15th, Giants 25th). For offensive scoring, Pats were 3rd, Giants 9th, us 20th.

So, you have it exactly backwards. We held opponents to WAY less scoring than either of the 2 SB teams. But we didn't score close to the amount of points they did.

Therefore, we need more scoring, a more efficient offense, and our defense is already good enough as is to go to a SB (if you look at the last few teams who've been there).

Lets not forget....If the Favre led jets win that game against us in 08....its the jets who are 11-5....its the jets who win the AFC EAST...and its the jets who make the playoffs....

Nothing will work until we change Irescum.

Super Dud,

As entertaining as you ARE NOT, you are as stupid.

My Doctors have recommened surgery on my neck and right shoulder. I'm on NON-Narcotic meds and physical therapy. I just bought a new machine in which I hang upside down to relieve pain and stress on the spine.

Now, your comprehension skills aside, what else is BUSTED?

The Brunette is going to Broil up some Soy Burgers and I'll be preparing my "FAMOUS" Viking Warriors Salad.

Posted by: odinseye | February 06, 2012 at 04:52 PM

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Odin..is it fair to say...that you will be getting your "salad tossed" tonight......

ODIN, WHAT IN VIKING SALAD?IS IT WHEN VIKING KIDNAPS YOUNG BOYS?, I HOPE NOT.
(BUFFET OF KNOWLEDGE)

DRAFT A RIGHT TACKLE DRAFT A GOOD FREE SAFETY DRAFT SOME D LINE GUYS TO ROTATE IN OUR NEW DEFENSE AND IN FREE AGENCY GET MANNING AND A TIGHT END...IMAGINE PEYTON MANNING WITH OUR RECIEVING CORE?? WOWWWWWWWWWWWWW EVEN IF PEYTON IS AT 75 % HES STILL BETTER THEN MOST QBS LOL

Aloco @ 4:57...LOL....

Tannehill > Flynn

And for Stroker, since you haven't come on here to add to the conversation in any way, I'll give you a chance here.

If you see my post above @ 4:53 regarding our 2011 stats (6th in scoring allowed defense / 20th in scoring offense) and compare to the elite teams, or SB teams, or Playoff teams. How do you suggest we improve our team? Should we be #1 in scoring allowed defense (will that change much)? Should we try to improve our offensive scoring? If that's a yes, how do you propose we do that? Should we draft a stud WR? Get one in FA? Or another position (OL, RB, TE, etc.)?

You say you come here for such dialogue, so, do your part. Have a voice. Make your opinion heard.

9/11, I am missing your point of your last post.

I am not a Matt Flynn must be here guy at all, however.

How many people were convinced that Tom Brady was the future until he was handed the reins?

I can answer that, No one, everyone here in New England considered him a product of the system and nothing more than average.

Flynn is no difference at this point of his career, you know?

read all posts on this thread......nobody knows in the end what will happen......one quick comment.....with ross and ireland in charge....believe me they will f,,, it all up...dolfans better odds in vegas on what these 2 dumb azzzes will do next.....

It's all speculation until we actually see Manning toss a 20 yd out route with some zip and accuracy.
Until that day comes...its all a pipe dream.

There will be NO tossing of the salads tonight.

(You guys are terrible)

:)

tannehill,looooooooooool

peyton first flynn second rg3 third!

Guys Easy on Odin, If you all keep this up he and his "Friend" Fin4Life will start there non-stop Garbage like they both did when they had there break down, My Advice is Hope for the best for the Fins but expect the worse.Anyway I say go with Moore, It's his third year and everyone says a QB(Breed,Odin,DD,Cubin,Mark ETC, Etc,) Always say a QB "NEEDS 3 YEARS) to mayure.so lets give him another year.

peyton done. flynn first, draft a qb also

You brought it on yourself.

Interesting how no one will even speak to you at all anymore.

I'm not sure which Coalition is which.

Nice post No.2 Coalition.

You brought it on yourself.
Interesting how no one will even speak to you at all anymore.
Posted by: Coalition to Ban Coalition | February 06, 2012 at 05:11 PM

Fin4life, Your "IP" Is showing, Quit Impostering.

WR JUSTIN BLACKMON...

DRAFT HIM.... Trade UP and DO NOT let that kid fall into the Jeyts or Pats hands.

For once pick a PLAY MAKER.

BTW, Your man-love for your boy Odin is worse then Dan Dierdorfs man love for Tom Brady.

If you guys remember, Peyton Manning never had the strongest arm to begin with, He was always accurate and his arm strength so-so. But Manning losing 40 percent of his velocity on his fastball is Chad Pennington alas. Been there done that!

BLACKMON would have caught that ball that Welker didn't. Justin Blackmon IS a Playmaker.

We NEED Playmakers. We NEED a QB, D, O and Secondary.

Playmakers make a difference.

Draft Blackmon and watch our O look like champions. Watch our D react like champions. Watch our average QB look like a HOF'er.

NY'G', How can you say Blackmon would of caught that ball, you dont know, Blackmon has drop balls before.

BTW, Your man-love for your boy Odin is worse then Dan Dierdorfs man love for Tom Brady.

Posted by: Coalition To Ban Ireland. | February 06, 2012 at 05:17 PM

WOW! Dude, it's not just me and Fin4 that sees your garbage for what it is. Most bloggers here feel the same way. They avoid you like the plague.

Do you EVER post about Football?

All I ever see out of you is Gay Humor and Gay innuendo.

Just Talk Football-PLEASE!

PS: Don't bother to reply, as I'm "doing my best" to ignore you. Have a nice lonely day.

Easy Oin., Easy.

What's so wrong with getting Manning and drafting a QB somewhere in the mid rounds that could be the future that can learn under one of the best...makes sense to me. Manning will bring excitement to the fans and get them interested in Dolphin football, something that has been missing for some time now. Get him and let him groom a young QB for the future.

I agree with NY G Blackmon and RGIII are prospects I'd trade up for... but I wouldn't break the bank either 8-9 is still very valuable I wouldn't trade away any early rd picks next year for instance. maybe a 3rd and 4th this year to move up or just a 2nd.

Take a QB later in the round but trade up for tools (Play maker) WR Blackmon for the _______ QB, whoever that may be, Manning, Flynn, Moore, whoever.

If they take the risk on Patten then he will have Marshall on one side and Blackmon on the other, Bush to play action and a TE. Manning will be in his glory to have so many tolls to work with.

Blackmon will be an immediate Play maker. Shore up the O line and D in the draft and FA.

Soon Odin Or His life-friend will start posting stuff over and over again like they id last week, It's sad.. Good luck you crazy kids, I hope it works out for you two, Like the Game lastnight I'am Out.

Spiderman,

Justin Blackmon is another Beast and his athletics, height, reach, twist and leep are all far superior then Welker.

If you were going to throw that ball up like that and had to choose between two open receivers, Welker or Blackmon, I would pick Blackmon,

Welker is GREAT without a doubt but IMO I am sticking with Justin.

Here is a little clip on Blackmon and his capabilities.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_97kBZqj270

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