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I'm a salmon swimming upstream on the Manning issue

INDIANAPOLIS -- The Dolphins are going to chase Peyton Manning if he becomes available in free agency. That is already decided. Dolphins owner Stephen Ross loves the idea of Manning and has established him as the offseason quarterback priority.

Manning first.

Matt Flynn second.

Drafting a quarterback third.

The Dolphins see Manning as a way to win games, sell tickets and become relevant again. Within their circle of power, they think Manning can do for Miami what Joe Montana did for the Kansas City Chiefs in the early 1990s -- and if you don't remember, that included one failed trip to the AFC title game in Buffalo.

So why am I against the addition of Peyton Manning?

Let me count the ways:

He is a huge injury risk. Huge! I'm not so much worried about his neck, which has undergone three surgeries in the past 20 months and is clearly a big issue. I'm not worried that a Rex Ryan blitz or Vince Wilfork would catch Manning in precisely the wrong position and injure his cervical spine that has undergone three surgeries in less than two years. The risk of neck injuries are a fact of life for all NFL players.

I'm more concerned with Manning's much-discussed dead nerve condition that has affected his triceps in his throwing arm and has weakened his ability to throw. I was told Sunday that Manning's arm strength has diminished by as much as 40 percent as a result of the weakened triceps muscles. And I was told the issue wasn't just to the point where he can throw on game days, but there would be legitimate worry he can throw four or five times a week.

If you know Manning, you know he relies heavily on building an instinctive relationship with his receivers. He wants them to see what he sees. He wants to know how they run their routes and he wants them to know where he's likely to place the football. The only way to gain that is to throw to them -- a lot.

But there is doubt he could throw day after day even if his nerves regenerate because the muscles in his arm could fatigue more easily than they once did.

But put all that aside for a second. Seriously. Cast that to one side and suppose for a second that Manning's arm will eventually be capable of working about as well as it did when he was in his prime. The fact will remain he won't be in his prime with Miami.

He's 35 years old now and will be 36 next month. That's about the time Dan Marino started his precipitous and sudden decline. Montana, too. Troy Aikman was done by age 34. Steve Young was done by 38. Warren Moon had his last excellent season at 36 although he hung on a couple of more years, toiling in mediocrity.

The fact of the matter is if Peyton Manning plays in the NFL in 2012, he would be the second-oldest starting quarterback in the league and that assumes that Matt Hasselbeck will be starting for the Tennessee Titans -- something the Titans are prepared to change because former first-rounder Jake Locker will be coming into his second season and is the future in Tennessee.

So unless Hasselbeck wins a starting job, Manning might be the oldest starting QB in the NFL.

What about that fact suggests a long-term solution to Miami's quarterback troubles? Oh, that's right, nothing! 

The fact of the matter is if the Dolphins sign Peyton Manning it will be because they cannot solve their QB problem the tried and true way -- through the draft. They will have admitted they cannot identify a potential franchise QB at age 22 or 23 and have the conviction to draft that player, develop that player and win with that player for years and years. They will be saying they must instead take someone else's discarded quarterback, one whose best days are behind, and gamble he still has something left in the tank to serve Miami's desperation.

This is akin to treating a deep wound with a band aid. The band aid may stop some of the bleeding for a short time, but it will not help heal the wound. It will not keep the wound from becoming infected. The Dolphins quarterback situation is a deep, deep wound. And the only way to heal the hurt is finding a player that can fill the spot and play it at a high level for the next 7 or 8 years, not the next year or two ... maybe.

Now, I understand the allure of Manning. You see the possibility and think the Dolphins would be adding Manning in his prime. You see the possibility and think he would make the Dolphins instant contenders and get them to the playoffs. It is a gleaming vision of the possibilities.

I say to you all that shiny stuff reflecting in your eyes is fool's gold. The Dolphins have been down this road before. Four years ago, having no answer at quarterback, the Dolphins turned to often-injured Chad Pennington who fell to them like a blessing from the sky.

And it was good for one season. Pennington's great play led the Dolphins to the 2008 AFC East championship. It was fun. But it was fleeting.

NFL games have a way of finding a man's weakness and Pennington's surgically repaired shoulder was eventually exposed just as Manning's injury will eventually be exposed. And when that happened, the Dolphins were left right back where they started -- looking desperately for a franchise quarterback that they didn't spend a high enough draft pick to select.

(The fact Pennington helped Miami to an 11-5 record also pushed the team well to the back of the pack in the ensuing year's draft.)

That's what would happen if Manning comes to Miami. If Manning signs, the pressure will be on to win now. We'll be in win-now mode even though the coach is new and has a bit of a honeymoon period coming. He will have to produce and general manager Jeff Ireland will have to surround Manning with as much talent to win now as possible.

That means addressing must-haves -- like a right tackle and a pass-rusher. That probably means not drafting a quarterback in the first round because Matt Moore is still under contract and that, along with Manning, is enough use of resources at one position.

So, again, the Dolphins will return to all-in mode with a quarterback that needs to be in that mode because his time is running out. Except the rest of the Dolphins roster isn't ready to be all-in. The rest of the Miami roster needs significant upgrade along the right side of the offensive line, at tight end, on the defensive line and possibly in the secondary where a nickel corner and free safety are needs.

It simply does not fit. And so, I predict, if the Dolphins go with Manning, they may have some short-term gain (at best) but have again set themselves up for more long-term pain -- like 2008 and the years that followed. History repeating.

I know, I know, many of you are all in on Manning. If he comes in and wins a division title, you'll be happy with that. Some of you think he might even win a Super Bowl in Miami in his declining years even though he won only one in 14 years with Indianapolis while he was in his prime. (I admire your ability to dream.)

Me? Give me a free agent chase of a great pass rusher. Give me a trade-up for Robert Griffin III or the selection of whatever rookie QB the personnel department gets most comfortable with. Give me the signing of 27 year-old Matt Flynn even. Get me some more improving and building for the long haul. Get me the short-term pain in exchange for the long-term gain.

I know I'm in the minority. I am like a salmon swimming upstream and the Miami plan and the Miami fans are big brown bears waiting in the middle of the flow to swallow me because of my opinion.

That's fine. Let's talk in two or three years when we're right back where we started and you're screaming for a young QB and a new coach and a new GM -- again.

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Soiled...lol.....way to turn it around....

Night blog,...4:40 comes early....

Dear Mr. Kris

"Can find something new to say when discussing the two men"

Only Matt Flynn really knows how good Joe Philbin will be at leading the Dolphins.

If Matt Flynn thinks Joe Philbin can lead Miami from mediocrity to title contender Matt Flynn must be confident in Joe Philbins abilities to make all the right game plans, time outs, halftime adjustments and proper use of personel.

We just have wait and see when free agency starts what Matt really thinks of Joe Philbin.


Soiled :)

SoiledBottom | February 06, 2012 at 09:34 PM

Truly unique way of looking at it!!

I really like reading your articles because I usually agree with you but the past couple of posts has me reconsidering. Im blown away by the fact you compared Pennington to Manning... CRAZY!! You have nothing to lose signing Peyton. Ross owes it to the fans to sign him and if he doesn't work out, pay him his guaranteed money and cut him. It's the NFL not the NBA. He'll come off the books not stay on. No matter what happens, we need to draft a QB this year. Why not sign Manning and trade up for RG3?! I personally do not think he's NFL ready and could benefit under Peyton. Anyhow, Peyton is indeed more prone to injury than others now that he's had surgeries on his neck but in the NFL anyone and everyone could get injured any given sunday. Brady and Brees had major MAJOR injuries and have not reinsured since and Brees falls on his arm often and throws very often. Manning's nerve will keep regenerating but may never reach 100%. I say, his 90% is better than any QB we've had since Dan The Man so why not?! We always have Matt Moore to lean on and he's a great backup to be comfortable with.I would like to end with, coach and QB maybe but we're still hollering and begging for a new GM

i think that the coach can decide what the strengths are of all the QBs involved in this next offseason. Manning is not the answer (hes still healing and hes got two years left, if that)moore is solid and Henne has never been given the chance to perform behind a solid O line. flynn could be the answer, but let philbin see which QB can run the west coast offense best as a starter and a backup. ross is still to busy asking ireland how his dicktates, and with that said ireland is there answering with ross wants to hear!!!

Manning is one hit away from permanent retirement. NO TEBOW. Let's see some regular, macho NFL smash mouth football.

For those that have faith in the Front Office to make the right decision you have to keep in mind our owner is Stephen "Orange Carpet" Ross. Filling seats THIS year with Manning is more important to him than winning long-term.

Then again, to those that keep talking about drafting a QB in the 2nd round to groom, when is the last time a 2nd rd QB has gone on to be great (Brees? 1996!) As last year showed, QB's don't fall to the second round unless they have a MAJOR flaw; whether it be physically or a character flaw (yes, I am talking to YOU Ryan Mallett)

Good job Mondo, finally someone who gets it.
I can't believe your the only one in the press who sees getting Manning as repeating the same mistakes of the last 15 years...
When are they going to learn???

COULD NOT AGREE MORE ARMANDO! GO GET RG3! CAN GET A RT, FS AND PASS RUSHER LATER IN DRAFT OR THRU FREE AGENCY

If Ross signs Manning to sell tickets then he has not learned anything in his short time as owner. Listen to the GM and HC and to what is right. You own a team with young talent so go with a QB in they're prime , MM and Flynn. Let's build a contender for the next decade and not a QB to sell tickets who is over the hill.

Dont expect anyone in the Dolphins circus to make the right decisions.

The sooner Ross sells the team the better off we'll be.

Your concerns are my concerns Mando. Good article!

Whether we agree on Mando's stance, it was a REAL bloggers blog..hard-as*ed opinion, no pulled punches, and written TO us, not AT us.
Personally, I don't agree with his conclusion, but he presented his argument in a manly fashion.

Yes, we ALL know...or suspect that Ross see's $$$ and great pub signing Manning...all the wrong reasons to sign him.
However, for long suffering Fins fans, if he gives us a chance to win 4 more games, we're IN THE PLAYOFFS, and as the Giants just demonstrated, ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE.

Meanwhile, as was said, we draft our QB of the future, if Philbin believes Matt Moore ain't it, and Henne or Devlin is available as a backup.
What better time to trade Moore? Ranked in the top 13 in QB stats, which is "more"..sorry..than you can say for Flynn, who rolled up big stats in a meaningless end of season game.
Bottom line, Philbin knows, Flynn, Manning, and will soon know all there is to know about Matt Moore and Chad Henne.

Enough with this BS about Payton's arm strength... Do you remember the two issues involving Drew Breeze and Dante Culpepper? Drew was supposed to have arm strength issues and Dante had the knee issue. The Dolphins went with Dante because there wasn't any issues with his arm strength. Remind me, was it Culpepper or Breeze that just won this years Offensive Player of the Year...It is now that you all need to put the arm strength argument to bed. Payton will be the answer the Dolphins have been so desperately seeking.

FP4FGs....Montana/Steve Young

Dont know how Armando Salguero came to the conclusion that he is alone in the "DONT GET MANNING" way of thinking,... every fan i hear from and everyone i talk to says they hope we DON'T go after Manning ... The only people i hear clamering for it is the Media. either they want the fans to want Manning , or they are trying to make us think we want HIM ...either way YOUR WRONG! phins fans want RG3 !!!

jeff row,

Jeepers Creepers, how about those peepers.

THE CAT IS SPINNING!

Geeze..under someone here wants to give henne a chance with a solid O line...give up on henne pal, you are reaching with that one. A good O line will allow henne more time to sit back there and make more bad decisions.. Im not to sure you are getting it..henne blows no matter what's in front or surrounding him..he isn't nfl elite.
RG3 really is/should be our starting point

Eli Manning he put the "Eli" in ELIte... And he's GArY Lamb Sausages

Mando...did you really compare yourself to a salmon? What's next Mando? You're like a bear crapping in the woods?

Look

As a Dolphin fan I would much rather see our team actually sign an elite Quaterback like Peyton Manning and have him perform good instead of great for a year or two than not sign him at all (like we didn't sign Drew Brees) and see him re-establish him self as the best QB this game have ever seen on another team. By the Dolphins signing Manning they will prove to the fans that they are trying everything they can to make us happy, to put butts in the seats. I like Matt Fylnn a lot, he looks like he could be great, but if he isn't the fans will truly crucify the front office for not signing Manning. I say lets sign Peyton. He will find a way to prove himself. Not only to his new Miami fans, but to the fools who let hin go in Indy. 1st pick of the draft QB's aren't a for sure thing. Peyton will come back with a vengence on a Miami Dolphins team hungry to win and give all it's got to this city.

Mitchell

How can anybody say they want Flynn or Manning with all the unknowns?

Manning - seems like nobody is yet certain his arm will be back in form. No use saying you are in the Manning camp until his arm is ready and not almost ready. How would anyone feel about Manning if he is not the Manning we remember? 36, coming of surgeries, lets not get carried away.

Flynn - we have no fking idea what Philbin thinks of him. Let's wait and see the team has genuine interest and not smokescreen interest. Would anyone really want Flynn if Philbin was not interested in him? Don't think so.

So for now, its beyond me how anyone can be saying they want these guys.

Rg3 is the future!

I present you with the next three months of blogging condensed:

Trade up for RG3
Trade up for Luck
Sign Peyton draft Tanny or Weedy
Sign Flynn

There, that covers everything that will be said in a nutshell. Now, no need to read the blog until after the draft.

Manning in Miami will ruin the fan base.

ross wants to sell tickets;thats why we signed reggie bush. same with peyton who will fill the seats. ireland doesnt know how to build a "team" and ross wants celebrity.

Why the Dolphins should stay away from Matt Flynn. Read: "Dolphin Fans, Just Say No To Matt Flynn at www.professorlousnfldraftsite.com

RG3 is not the answer. What running QB has won a SB in the last 20 yrs?

This team has just invested a lot in a new Coaching Staff. They invested dollars for sure but the biggest investment is their Credibility and Time. If these coaches bust out it will set us back another 5-7 years. Since Shula this team has been inconsistent with its coaches, systems, players and overall performance.

So, the front office needs to stop worrying about glitz, glamor, ticket sales, celebrity owners, etc. They need to focus on what the coaching staff says. They need to be 'all in' on the coaching staff and allow them to run the system they want with the players they need.

They know Flynn and Tannehill. That is a huge advantage to have. Do they want them on their team? Are they willing to tie their futures to them?

ASSUMING the coaches DO want them I say we go get them....Both. The math works fine.

1) They fit their system. So, the players should believe they will be successul.
2) We don't have to give up picks for them. We could also get our pass rusher, RT, Safety and TE (draft or FA).
3) They will NOT be any more expensive than any other selection.

Lets get out of FANTASY LAND and back to the basics of football. Let your coaches drive the team!

While I agree Manning is not the player he once was, Miami should absolutely make this move. First I believe he'll accept an incentive laden contract. Yeah his base may eat up half the salary cap this year but that can be recouped through restructuring contracts and releases. Second, what makes manning such an effective and dangerous player is not his arm or feet. It's his mind. His ability to breakdown defenses and exploit them may deteriorate with age, but that age is 80 not 36. Miami should just use him better than the Colts did. The Colts threw all their eggs in one basket and relied solely on Peyton. Miami should have the entire offensive breakdown film with him. Use him as a player/coach/mentor and his ability to make the entire team better outweighs the negatives with his signing. The scary part of this is Philbin is unknown in his management of players and Jeff Ireland is well Jeff Ireland.

Lou, sorry but the writing on the site is kind of meandering, tedious and scattered. First an argument is made to say no to Flynn, then you switch your argument to say if Philbin wants Flynn then its good enough for you, which then negates everything you said previously. So what are you saying? No to Flynn but yes if Philbin wants him. Nobody needs to spend time reading that mixed up analysis. I can sum up a full page of your words in one simple sentence - Philbin knows Flynn best so let him decide whether or not we take him.

Also, hard to read too with those background images.

We are entering the retread mode of football teams.
We will get rid of our pro-bowlers and add mediocre players because they are cheaper. Manning will create the buzz Ross wants, but this time next year we will be near the bottom the the league.

If you don't build through the draft, you are not a good franchise.

Maestro,
Nowhere do I say, "If Philbin wants Flynn, it's good enough for me." Maybe you should learn how to read first.

Didn't we already do through this with a used up Daunte Culpepper?? They passed up getting Eli Manning just to get Culpepper and where did it get us? A big fat nothing. Manning is not a long term solution to Miami's quarterback problem. Miami's front office continues to make the same stupid mistakes over and over again. Miami needs a young quarterback not these used up players at the end of their careers.

ProfessorLou,

I agree with some of what you wrote on Matt Flybb but I also disagree. I agree that the 480 yards and 6 tds were somewhat a mirage considering 80 yards came on a screen when just about every Lion gave up on the play assuming the next guy in line was going to make the tackle. I also remember when Jordy Nelson added another 60 yards or so coming back and going over 2 defenders backs for a huge catch and run but outside of that you can't fault Flynn for what his receivers did after the catch. You actually have to watch closely and see where he put the passes and he put them where his receivers could catch the ball and continue to run after the play!

There are so many QBs with rocket arms in the leage (Henne) that never are anything more then a strong arm. There biggest problem is ball placement on the passes. They (Henne) throw darts to guys on 3rd and 10 on a crossing pattern that's 8 yards deep and because the ball is fired the receiver has to stop and catch it and then is tackled for no yards after the catch. Flynn was hitting his receivers out of their breaks, cleanly and that's why they could catch and run vs the Lions. He did the same thing vs the Packers.

If your argument is the receivers made yards after the catch then we can throw the careers of many QBs out, particularly West Coast QBs.

I also don't think the Cassel or Kolb comparisons are even close to fair considering they both went from one organization to another with a staff that knew nothing about them. They also had to learn a whole new offense while doing so. Look at 2010-2011 when Cassell threw 27 TDs and just 7 ints it was because Weiss knew how to use him! Philbin knows Flynn and Flynn would get a chance to play in a system that he knows.

But all in all you are right that if Philbin endorses Flynn then we all need to embrace him because he is tying his Head Coaching career to Flynn and if that's the case I am all in on Flynn.

C63-AMG Holy crap you are up early...

Anyway... Your evaluation of Henne is completly wrong in my opinion. Henne has not made a TON of bad decisions. In fact he was the most pressured QB for the 4 games he played. His completion percentage was solid, and had 4 td drops in 4 games right on the money.

Look, I know it is a popular thing here to HATE on Henne. It is just way off base. His biggest problem is not thinking on his own on the field. Last year he got better at it. then got hurt. But early in his career he was similar to a coaches puppet.

Anyone who thinks we would have lost the games we won with Henne at QB instead of Moore is nuts. And we would have beaten the Jets the 1st time with Henne if not hurt.

Henne has proved nothing more than being a solid QB but not at the elite level. However he did show marked improvement once Henning was gone.

This team was not ready for the beginning of the season, admitted by the players not being in shape... The team started running bush more week 6, and the D started getting in shape and coming together at about week 6. That is why Moore looked like the better option, not because he was better in the least.

Again, I know I come accross as a Henne supported 100% and I am not. I just want to win games and make the playoffs again. I dont care what the name is on the back of the QB's jersey. But Henne is getting a bad wrap, and is better than Moore in a 100 different ways. Slight exaggeration there.

The fact is, unless Philbin sees something in Henne he will be gone, or the price is to high. So it is kinda time to stop blaming Henne for the problems here. there were far more issues more glaring than him.

Mondo, Ive been preaching this opinion for three weeks now with out much success. Manning IS, to old, to slow and to injuried. But Ross wants a quick fix with fannys in seats and money in the bank. If Ross goes with Manning and it turns sour, Ross and the entire front office will be very embarrassed.
The Dolphins are already the NFL laughing stock that goes all the way back to Wayne H. who hired the "Tuna".

Poizen, Poizen, Poizen,

I am in the mood to correct your wrongs today!

Henne was the most pressured QB in the league (which is not a fact) because he can't read the entire field fast enough and has to hold onto the ball forever before he releases it is why he is pressured so much. Granted protection isn't always great but he has no mental clock to get rid of the ball. Henne is a deer in headlights out there. The game seems like in 4 years it hasn't slowed down for him. For a guy that can't beat an offensive linemen in a race, he sure is quick to take off and run after going through his reads. Henne has no confidence because he can't hit a moving target. He has zero touch on his passes.

Also you saying Henne would have won the final 6 of 9 like Moore is asinine. We don't know if he would or wouldn't have but we do know dating back to last year Henne's record as a starter is an abysmal 7-12 as a starter. We also know he has 13 straight games with at least 1 turnover. His TD-Int ratio is 18-23 and he is under 60 percent completion percentage as passer dating back to last year as well.

Face it! Henne has regressed to point he is a NON-starter in the NFL. There is nothing left to salvage with him. He is what he is a back up and probably a good/decent back up at that but not a starter in the NFL.

SS has an interesting story on cap space. We are not butting up against the cap, but not as free as other teams (Redskins, Browns) to sign at will. So, basically, if we went with Flynn, that will limit a lot of other things we could do this year. Everyone keep that in mind (those of you who are talking about getting a RT, TE, S, etc. via FA).

Poizen,

You're fighting a loosing battle here.

On this blog, if Philbin thinks Flynn is the man, Phuilbin's a genius.

If Philbin thinks Henne is the man, Philbin is a freaking tard.

Just pray Henne and SpOrano don't make the Super Bowl next year.

Henne will go on to another team and play well. Never elite level but he will play well. You don't start at Michigan for 5 years and on an NFL team for 2.5 and SUCK. You just don't.

With the right coaching staff, one that allows him to think on his own, and the right protection, needs a clean pocket, he will be fine.

Don't want him in Miami because he needs a fresh start. But he will be fine. Likley in Cleveland, Seattle or Washington.

Let's talk in two or three years when we're right back where we started and you're screaming for a young QB and a new coach and a new GM -- again.

Amen Armando

Obviously, Soliai can't get tagged again, that's a given.

JPAO, that would be a perfect scenario, because it might satisfy one of those teams' needs at QB, thus opening up the options we're looking towards to settle this position. I think Seattle will be in the Flynn tug-of-war though.

You are not in this minority Armando...

I agree with you 100%, Manning would be a colossal mistake… I would hope after all the failed attempts at a quick QB fix, these guys would get the message and draft a 1st round QB. But alas, I think you may be correct, Boss Ross is overcome by fool’s gold.

I have a confession to make on this blog this morning....

I wanted Henne to succeed SO BAD. I'm not a Michigan guy, so that's not it. I was just really rooting for and wanting the guy to succeed as our next young QB to be successful with us for years. He seemed logical with his Left tackle coming to our team in the same year.

I'm fine with moving on, I just want us to find this type of thing soon

DC,

Miami has about $6 M in cap space where the Skins have about $25 M and more once they cut OJ Otogwe and Cooley. Browns are around $15 M under the cap.

If Miami does sign Flynn it will definitely limit their ability to much else in FA as far as a marquee player. Maybe they restructure the ridiculous Dansby contract and extend Marshall to free up some space. I guess that could free up about $2-3 M. But a cut has to be made and the most logical cuts to me are Fasano on offense and on defense if they move to a 4-3 then possibly Burnett or even Bell.

Lou, your exact words below

"If Philbin says Matt Flynn is the guy for Miami, he's good enough for me."

It's in the3rd or 4th paragraph. Maybe if you put a space between paragraphs that would help the readability too.

Ohio, I wanted Fiedler to succeed. Go to a SB, take over for Marino.

The FO needs to read the tea leaves. It's rare to find an elite QB in the 2nd rd (of Brees' level). For whatever anyone wants to say about Henne, 5 years into his professional career, he's not even close to Brees.

For those that poo-poo Flacco, I heard a stat today. In 4 years, he had 80 (something) TDs and about 46 INTs. That's almost a 2:1 ratio of TDs to INTs. Nice stat. Henne's is nowhere NEAR that ratio.

It's pointless to discuss (to me) because I think there's a less than zero chance Henne remains with the team. The FO will do better to look ahead to someone that might fill the void Henne tried filling, but, for whatever reason, could not.

JPAO,

I agree Henne will find a new home somewhere as a backup but it doesn't seem like a fit to me in Washington, Seattle or Cleveland. All 3 are West Coast teams and the touch and timing you need in a WC offense is not Henne's strength. I have yet to find what Henne's strength is other then fling it around but nonetheless not a fit in a WC system

Andy, I fear that game (the cap game) as much as anything else. It will really limit us from doing everything we want to do (actually, I don't think there's even a way to do everything we want). This is still a multi-year process to build the team we want to see. This might suggest Manning won't be brought in (since we're not very close to a SB team).

I agree DC. My statement wasn't a wishful thinking for Henne, just a Tuesday morning confession that I was rooting for him the past 4 years.

I'm ready to move on

This whole thread reeks of a large communal crack pipe...... Peyton Manning..really? mortgage the franchise ...again for someone else's cast off? he was great, he was amazing...but the operative word here is "WAS".

someone else brought up Chad Henne...REALLY?????

Matt Flynn, REALLY????? MORTGAGE THE FRANCHISE FOR SOMEONE WITH 1 great game? CAN YOU SAY JASON GARRETT

Yet we have Matt Moore, here, he has been diligent worked hard, all without a training camp and the opportunity to learn the ever changing offense being proffered by the OC of the month... and he is affordable...and if Wonder Dog Brandon Marshall had caught the balls he dropped which were sure TD's where would we be?

This franchise has spent 20 years trying to do lame brained tire patches and now we are riding on the rims.. good god people,

Please people take a sip from the reality Kool Aid pitcher.

We ain't going to the Super Bowl next year or the next few after that. Give Moore the ball, look at developing the next Aaron Rodgers, use your awful performance and ensuing draft position to build the team.

$15 million for Paul Soliai? Nice...

Lets see if there are bigger holes we can fill with the fan's hard earned money

This management has spent more money to protect Chad Henne (he actually plays worse than he looks) than Saddam spent on Palaces.

How about some play makers..... Take a peek at the Tampa Bay Rays model.. develop your own talent and build from within..they are arguable the most successful sports Franchise in Florida, while managing one of the lowest salaried rosters in MLB

ARMANDO:

THAT WAS THE BEST ONE YET.

ALSO

FLYNN MIGHT BE THE ANSWER BUT I DOUBT IT VERY MUCH.

I'M NOT WILLING TO TRADE THE FARM AND GIVE HIM ALL THAT MONEY TO FIND OUT.

BRING BACK HENNE HE WILL BE CHEAP ALLOW HIM AND MOORE TO BATTLE IT OUT.

FINLEY, DESEAN JACKSON AND MARSHALL.

BESS OR HARTLINE IN THE SLOT.

EVEN THOUGH I THINK WE NEED TO GO 4 WIDE SOMETIMES.

WITH BUSH IN ONE OF THOSE SLOTS.

DC,

Yeah Miami might have to make a surpise or significant cut with a productive player in order to be able to add by subtraction. With a new HC that is very possible and I assume likely. Although with Ireland at the controls it makes things a little more difficult in that regard.

I agree it's a multi-year process and Miami won't be able to address all their needs in 1 year. The 1st round pick in the top 10 has to be starter from day 1 obviously.

QB - Flynn or Manning. IMO it will be Flynn because Manning will never prove be able to prove before FA he is healthy enough to make the throws. The reports are he is healthy but they are saying he is healthy enough to go on the field not healthy enough to throw a ball with velocity.

RT - This is why although I am against drafting another OT, I do believe that is the most likely position of a guy being able to step in and take over right away. I hate the idea because you would think with Philbin's background as an O-line coach he can do what Sparano failed to which is coach a player up to fill that role as a solid/good starter such as John Jerry. However, I think Miami will use that pick on Riley Reiff (Iowa) or Jonathan Martin (Stanford).

DE/OLB - A rush player is the other biggest hole on the team. Wake is awesome. He gives so much effort for a guy getting doubled and chipped every play but they need another rusher. I wouldn't be surprised to see Miami pick a rusher over an OT in round 1. I believe Coples will be gone but a player to keep an eye on is Whitney Mercilus from Illinois. He led the nation is sacks and forced fumbles. A 1 eyar wonder but he had elite production in that 1 year. Outiside of that outside solution look for a has been vet.

WR - This regime stinks at picking receivers. Patrick Turner and now Clyde Gates. They were both invisible rookies and I expect nothing to change for Gates. Miami maybe gets balls and goes all in for Alshon Jeffrey or Michael Floyd but I doubt it. Look for more of the same from the receiver position with possibly a mid round guy added to the mix. I don't see them going after any FAs.

TE - The TE to stretch the field I believe will solely be addressed in the draft. I doubt Dwayne Allen makes it to our spot in round 2 but maybe Coby Fleener or Agnew from Mizzou in round 3.

CB - Not seen as issue to some but to me it is. Sean Smith and Vontae have been given no competition since their rookie years and to me they just are default starters. Miami needs to find someone wanting their jobs. A 3/4th round pick to add some competition wouldn't hurt.

It's frustrating dude but all the answers have to be entrusted with Ireland and the draft because Miami is up against a limited cap with so many needs.

If - If - the Fins are interested in Flynn as their first choice Why - Why - would they let anyone know. What benefit does that bring them?

Ireland learned from Tuna. You never tell anyone what you are really thinking or really want to accomplish. In fact you should send up misinformation to throw them off your trail.

Leaking interest in Manning to the media...smells of Tuna to me.

RLZ, easy for you to say. Ireland is in Year 5 (he will be under a microscope). Philbin is the next of a LONG LINE of failed HC's. This problem has existed since the departure of Marino and Shula.

Asking a new HC (who knows our history) to risk a year with Moore, and then no solution after him is short-sighted. Philbin will want to put "his" guy in there (and not rely on the thinking of the last failed HC/FO).

I really can't see Philbin letting it ride with Matt Moore. That's professional suicide.

Andy, like your predictions. I'd wave off the WR position for this year (I think the team can move forward with what they have) and would rather they look for another solution at Safety (Strong). I think TE is more important than a true #2 anyway (no, I meant more of a priority). As far as the rest, I agree, those are our most pressing needs.

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