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The Dolphins offseason plan? Possible version here

Jeff Ireland has "a plan" for the offseason. He isn't giving details of what that plan is. He has no intention of unveiling it for public scrutiny to the point where he told Dolphins coaches not to even talk about quarterbacks or needs or free agency during their recent media availability.

Makes sense.

But, let's face it, this isn't rocket science.

Miami's needs are easy to understand if you watched the team the last couple of years. The players that are or will likely become available are also public knowledge. And we know there is a finite amount of ways the Dolphins can actually add players -- through free agency first, the draft and, of course, trades.

So what does Ireland's plan likely look like?

Let's begin with the problems the plan must address:

The Dolphins need a starting QB first and foremost. They would love a franchise quarterback, of course, and that's the first order of business. But at the minimum they need a quarterback who will compete with Matt Moore for the starting job in training camp. That is known to everyone.

So how to address the QB question?

Peyton Manning, if relatively healthy, will be the team's top target if he's available. Simple. Ownership has sent this commandment down from the Dolphins version of Mount Sinai. I've written Manning is the QB priority if he's healthy and until Manning either stays in Indianapolis, or retires, or shows he is incapable of throwing the football (the latter of which will not happen), he will be the thing for Miami.

If Manning is out of the picture, I think the Dolphins go with Matt Flynn. The fact is Flynn will come with a starter's price tag and not a lot of certainty. But he comes with more certainty than any possible draft pick not named Andrew Luck or Robert Griffin III. Flynn in free agency seems to be more logical, given his history and connection to Joe Philbin, than say, using a first-round pick on Ryan Tannehill. Flynn is young and more experienced and probably more NFL starter ready than Tannehill. And if you pick up Flynn, you can free up use of the first-round pick for another major need while still having the option of drafting another QB -- perhaps Brandon Weeden -- later in the draft.

If the Dolphins cannot add either Flynn (who will have other options) or Manning (who is a huge wild card) in free agency, you can pretty much put the first-round card in right now for a QB.

Does that mean Andrew Luck and Robert Griffin III are out of the question? Nothing is out of the question, I suppose. But I don't see the Dolphins paying two first-round picks, plus more resources, such as a second and perhaps a third round pick, or perhaps even three first-round picks to go to the No. 2 overall spot where getting Luck or Griffin will be possible.

Using that many chips to go high enough for the two QBs could cripple the franchise for years if the QB it brings in return is not a franchise player. And as Bill Parcells said, they don't sell insurance for this stuff.

Moving on.

The club needs a right side to the offensive line -- with both right guard and right tackle a question mark. Marc Colombo is done. If he finds himself in a Dolphins uniform again in training camp, something went horribly wrong because he is simply not a starting-caliber NFL tackle any more. Assuming the club intends to fill one of the right side needs, either at guard or tackle, with an "on campus" solution -- such as John Jerry or Nate Garner or Lydon Murtha -- that still means the club needs to solve the other right-side problem by adding a body.

There are great free agency options such as Carl Nicks at guard. I love the prospect of Jared Gaither at tackle in free agency. But both will be very, very, very expensive. Nicks today said he's looking for a deal above $56.7 million that averages more than $8.1 million per season -- the deal signed by teammate Jahri Evans. No way the Dolphins pay that!

Despite their history for spending extravagantly on the offensive line in free agency, I think the Dolphins aren't going down that road. I think they'll try to solve their offensive line issue in the second wave of free agency or in the draft -- not the first round.

The club also needs a pass-rusher. The truth is I believe this is the top need and the only one that rivals quarterback. Simply, the Dolphins need to pressure the quarterback better, need to find a pass-rusher so good as to make Cameron Wake the complementary pass-rusher, and need to make sure this player is also a viable run-stopper on the edge. I know that Mario Williams will be available in free agency. Cliff Avril will also be on the free agent market.

But again, I don't see the Dolphins spending their money here. I see them spending draft picks here and an early pick at that -- probably their first pick assuming the quarterback issue is resolved in free agency.

There's a need at free safety. There's a need at tight end. There's probably a need at wide receiver because a high-priced or high draft pick QB needs as much help on the other end of his passes as possible.

These are all issues tackled in the second-wave of free agency or on the draft's second or third days. I assume the Dolphins still have very high hopes for Charles Clay as a hybrid tight end so they're not going to invest a high pick or a great deal of money there. They obviously didn't last year.

My big concern is that Miami will continue to be lulled into a sense of false security at WR. Davone Bess did not show well last year -- certainly not as well as he did the previous years. And while Brian Hartline had solid moments, he still hasn't proven he's a good No. 2 starting WR despite owning the job two seasons.

Me? I'd get the QB more help. I'd get Brandon Marshall some help. I'd get solid WR wherever I could find him. By the way, did I hear Green Bay may be parting ways with Donald Driver? I scoop him up. He'll be familiar with the system, he's an awesome locker room presence, he knows how to win, and he would make Flynn a nice security blanket.

Yes, he's 37 years old. I get that. But he was also Green Bay's best WR in the playoffs. I hope the Dolphins get that.

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wolfman, there record after they traded away there whole draft is exactly the same record we've had the last couple of year. Give or take a game or two. the point is, the trade didnt cripple there franchise. So thanks for making my point.

Posted by: Clue | February 21, 2012 at 04:39 PM

Exactly! I couldnt have stated it better.

Alright NJ, I'm getting on the train. Buy you a few drinks and then back to your place ;)

Clue,

Just as you stated, its not like the Ricky Williams deal turned the Saints back into the "Ain'ts".

Practice is only a small indicator of a guy's ability to perform on the big stage. I dont care what you see in practice, it doesnt officially certify what your qb will do over a 16 game season.

You dont know that until he officially plays a 16 gtame season.

Posted by: Yesterday's Gone | February 21, 2012 at 01:29 PM

RGIII has 0 NFL practices under his belt and NO games played. So using your own criteria you have absolutely no idea what RGIII can do in the NFL.

Yet you want us to give up our entire draft?

Check and Mate. Get out of town.

Can you gays with absolutely no clue about the Miami Dolphins take it back to the Sun Sentinel freaks and fairies?

Get Serious,

Until this franchise "gets serious" our qb problems will bridge into another decade. Has not the last decade been "get serious" enough for you already?

We all have one thing in common on this blog. We love the Miami Dolphins :) It stops right there..

wolfman, there record after they traded away there whole draft is exactly the same record we've had the last couple of year. Give or take a game or two. the point is, the trade didnt cripple there franchise. So thanks for making my point.
Posted by: Clue | February 21, 2012 at 04:39 PM

Exactly! I couldnt have stated it better.
Posted by: Yesterday's Gone | February 21, 2012 at 04:46 PM

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But what was the opportunity cost? Who did the miss out on in 2000? Filling the roster with FAs took a major toll on their salary cap, further hindering their ability to bring in talent. Who did they miss out on in 2000?

I guess it's impossible to prove either way....was it the trade or just a franchise cursed with bad luck? Neither of your points have been made. You can't prove a negative.

What about this scenario?

Miami gets Manning. And, uses him as a player/coach since we don't have a QB coach. Moore starts, with Manning as back-up QB until he heals up and can play. If RGIII falls to Miami at #9, they pull the trigger on him too! He can learn behind Peyton until he's ready.

It could happen...

badger out,
Have you seen what's available on the defensive side of the ball in this draft? There isnt a great pass rusher. There are some good pass rushers with limited upside. But none with bonafide greatness.

Posted by: Yesterday's Gone | February 21, 2012 at 02:03 PM

So YG knows Flynn is garbage. He even knows that there is not one single great pass rusher in the entire draft.

He also knows that RGIII will be the most elite QB to have ever stepped onto a football field.

Why didn't Ross hire this gas bag instead of Ireland?

Driver? Get off the crack!

Hey Tim, How's it going?

Get Serious,

Bellichik's already reloaded for the next decade's run. He has Mallet grooming behind Brady. The Pats have won 3 sb's and lost 2 sb's while we were still bringing in pop gun qb's.

Seems you need to get out of town if you beleive bringing a qb with 2 starts on his resume as a final answer to Bellichik. Its the Dolphyins that have been run out of town by Bellichik the last decade and have yet to find our way back yet.

GET SERIOUS, Mr Get Serious! LOL

Mallet wasnt even the 3rd string QB. Something tells me Bellicheck isn't happy with Eminem.

Tracy,

We are definitely not going to get both nFlynn ande Manning. So if Manning's the choice he had better be more than just a player/coach. We can bring Pennington back for that.

RG3 slipping to #8-#9 is just a wet dream. Nothing more, nothing less. Even if he slips from #2, he isnt slipping past the Redskins. Thier fa qb options are the exact same as ours and come with the exact same risks.

Peyton's shorterm at best and Flynn's has only 2 nfl starts. Then throw in what happened with Kolb last year and no way RG3 slips past the Skins.

Donald Driver? Are you kidding me, Armando? How does Donald Driver make this team better? He's 37 years old! He's a final piece for a championship team, not for the Dolphins. This would be a TERRIBLE idea. Even the Packers don't want him.

16 games with the league MVP and he comes up with 445 yards receiving. How would those numbers look in Miami? Crazy idea.....no thanks.

Clue,

Mallet was a rookie. The Pats had no reason to elevate him past 3rd string. Brady was sharp as ever last year and didnt have any injury. nThe Pats have at least 2 more full seasons to coach Mallet up to speed.

However, I would be mildly concerned if Mallet didnt move up 2nd string this season. But unless Brady sustains an injury that forces him to sit for any length of time. This still isnt a great concern, just a mild one.


IAM NO GYNOCOLOGIST BUT IT SEEMS THAT BUILDIN A FOOTBALL TEAM SHOULDNT TAKE LONGER THEN THE GRAN CANYON.NYG, WHAT SAY YOU?
(BUFFET OF KNOWLEDGE)

Posted by: ALoco | February 21, 2012 at 04:15 PM

ALoco,

I say that your correct and a BUFFET OF KNOWLEDGE.

Clue,

Does the QB make the WR a hall of famer or does the WR make the QB a hall of famer.

I believe that Justin Blackmon HAS the ability to make the most difficult catches... even with an average QB.

And if we don't pick him we will be watching ESPN Sunday 7:30 highlights filled with Blackmon catches.

Ryan Mallet will beat us twice a year after Brady retires.

NY, Without a doubt the QB makes the WR a hall of famer. Im sure Blackmon is a heck of a WR, but we already have a clone in Marshall. A guy like Deshawn jackson would be the perfect compliment to Marshall a fast guiy who can get down the field quickly. Tomm bad he'll be franchised. Blackmon and Marshall are too identical.

Srry for the typos misspellings, whatever im tired . see u guys tomm

wolfman, there record after they traded away there whole draft is exactly the same record we've had the last couple of year. Give or take a game or two. the point is, the trade didnt cripple there franchise. So thanks for making my point.

Posted by: Clue | February 21, 2012 at 04:39 PM

Hmmmmmmmmmmm................

Lets see, Ditka makes the trade and the Saints have 1 winning season out of the next 8?

Two 3 win seasons over that span?

Golly Gee Mr. Wilson, I'd hate to see what your idea of crippled entails.

FACT: The Ditka/Williams trade ruined the Saints for NEARLY a DECADE!

We should do everything in our power to.....make sure Matt Moore starts.

And now your Lord and Savior is here to educate you. Please try to pay attention:

1. Life stinks when it's not NFL season. No NFL makes your Lord and Savior very fussy.

2. When no NFL game, your Lord and Savior get sad and watery eyed.

3. The starting QB for your 2012 Miami Football Dolphins is.....Matt Moore.

4. Matt Moore is next year's super bowl MVP.

5. in the super bowl, next year, brandon marshall will score 3 TDs

In case you have not noticed, the NFL's all time leader in TDs per touch is none other than Tedd Ginn Jr, a budding superstar on a 14-2 team who y'all ran out of town with your stupidity.

Father forgive them--they knew not what they did.

odin, WAKEUP!!! The Dolphins havent been relevant for a decade, please discount that fluke Pennington season.

In RE to the New Orleans saints....just take a look at some of the names they missed out on trading an entire draft and the next years number 1 and 3.

Just to name a few:
1999
Daunte Culpepper
Jevon Kearse
Damien Woody
Antoine Winfield
Dre Bly
Peerless Price
Joey Porter
Marty Booker
Jerry Azumah
Desmond Clark

Just being Devil's Advocate here...
What if the Rams don't really want anyone's entire draft for their pick? What if they want star/veteran compensation?
Like our #1, and a player/s: Marshall, V. Davis, Bush, Wake, et.al.
Does anyone have a clue what Rams really are looking for? I'm not sure multiple 3rd, 4th 5th etc. round picks are really worth it for them.
Maybe it is.
But maybe we don't have to trade our whole draft.
But then... who can we part with .. that also has value?
Just curious.

The Saints missed out on such possibilities as:

2000:
LaVar Arrington
Jamal Lewis
Brian Urlacher
Shaun Ellis
John Abraham
Bubba Franks
Shaun Alexander
Laveranues Coles

All to get one stinkin' guy!

...So the bottom line on the NFL channel just read the Dolphins have NO INTEREST in re-signing QB. Chad Henne.
If nothing else. Henne proved he was professional. He was never outspoken when it would have been easy to be critical. He was a gamer, played hurt, he didn't complain publicly about playcalling when it was questionable..All admirable traits.

The fact is is. Success wasn't in the cards for Henne, and our franchise. Henne deserves to move on and try and reserect his career elsewhere. Just as the team deserves to try and move forward with it's search to finally find it's franchise guy..Good luck Chad.

Clue the Saints were indeed crippled for years. They didn't become relevant again until they got Brees in free, and that took 6 more years of losing.

wolfman, there record after they traded away there whole draft is exactly the same record we've had the last couple of year. Give or take a game or two. the point is, the trade didnt cripple there franchise. So thanks for making my point.
Posted by: Clue | February 21, 2012 at 04:39 PM

Exactly! I couldnt have stated it better.
Posted by: Yesterday's Gone | February 21, 2012 at 04:46 PM

This is some clueless stuff right here. Sorry guys but I have to call it like it is.

The Saint didn't turn back into the aints. OK. But uh, I think the point is, how much did they IMPROVE after giving away one whole draft and the top of their next draft?

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Trading away their whole draft and the 1st and 2nd of the following year EFFECTIVELY decapitated the Saints for YEARS! PERIOD! Arguably a decade.

You guys are just trying to talk your way around the facts because you want to justify Miami decapitating themselves for RGIII.

Mainly and More IMPORTANTLY, Ireland isn't this stupid(Thank God). RGIII simply ain't coming to Miami. Plain and simple, it ain't happening.

Cheap labor of draft choices is more onerous today than it was in 1999. You need the draft picks to make the team to balance higher priced vets against the cap. Because if you go out and trade your entire draft, your going to have to go into free agency in a big way to fill your holes. And the Dolphins have more holes than just at QB.

Its all a gamble. You sign flynn and he might be a bust. So how is a qb in the draft such as rg3 going to set the yeam back years? We will see at the combine. Imo rg3 is your legit franchise qb. By the way pricemaster henne will get franchised alright, I dont think so. Read the article which states the dolphins will not offer henne a contract allowing him to become a fa. Idiot!

odin, WAKEUP!!! The Dolphins havent been relevant for a decade, please discount that fluke Pennington season.

Posted by: Clue | February 21, 2012 at 05:33 PM

Clue, try to follow your own comments regarding the Saints/Ditka trade.

Don't wake me up until YOU catch up.

ZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzz.................

ARMANDO.....

Good article...would have been better without the Parcells quote.......seems like you always try and work a Parcells quote...or a Jason Taylor reference when it doesn't quite fit.....

Yeah we wouldn't want to trade multiple first round picks for a possible franchise quarterback it would doom the future yeah sure it would hahaha, like all the first round picks the last forty years got us how many super bowls wake up people we won't miss those picks if we get a franchise QB give the rams whatever they want


Yeah we wouldn't want to trade multiple first round picks for a possible franchise quarterback it would doom the future yeah sure it would hahaha, like all the first round picks the last forty years got us how many super bowls wake up people we won't miss those picks if we get a franchise QB give the rams whatever they want

Posted by: Geez | February 21, 2012 at 05:59 PM

Geez,

I totally concur and been saying from the start to sell the farm, barn, farmers wife and daughter and give it all for Andrew Luck. Our first round picks with the exception of Long are worthless, especially with Jeffy Boy THE SCOUT Ireland who is frantically interested in securing Acorns.. even more then Obama was with his Acorns.

There was only one NFL HC who had the b alls to trade his entire draft and got Ricky Williams. Ditka at least had a vision which is more then what this franchise has.

Its all a gamble. You sign flynn and he might be a bust. So how is a qb in the draft such as rg3 going to set the yeam back years? We will see at the combine. Imo rg3 is your legit franchise qb. By the way pricemaster henne will get franchised alright, I dont think so. Read the article which states the dolphins will not offer henne a contract allowing him to become a fa. Idiot!
Posted by: Dolphin 77 | February 21, 2012 at 05:57 PM

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It's not that RG3 could potentially be a bust and set back the team....it's all this talk about pulling a Ditka and trading away the entire draft and the top of next years to get him.

Personally, I love RG3 and I think he's legit....I just don't think you can build anything trading away your entire draft. Yes, we need a QB and I would love for RG3 to be that guy....but we also need a lot of help at other positions and we have to build a "team" for the future.

So yes, I'm anti trading away an entire draft and the top of next years to do it.

Driver? You are kidding? Right?

Blackmon, great skills when he lands on a pillow. Try that on the frozen turf in Buffalo. Bye Bye Blackmon.
See how quick he is to jump up and land on his hip or back twice in one game. I prefer guys who catch balls on the run.

And Manning? I am not a nerve specialist. But to me this guy is done and if he is not, give him a couple of years. It will start with weird pics and then move to not being able to hit a barn door from 3 feet. Remember Favre in his final season. It was a joke and he didnt have nerve damage.

Flynn, couple of great games and now what? New team, new receiver and rabid fans that will eat him alive if he loses his first three.

Also both guys are gonna get some mighty big offers. So why waste money, when the team isn't ready to get to the promised land.

Nobody will trade up unless you are willing to give away the farm. This years draft for Luck or RG3. I would do it. Then sign some FAs fast. But no future draft picks. You can't risk screwing the team up for 5 years over one guy.

But Ireland has a plan and it will go with interior line for the draft, then a pass rush and then a qb if one is available. Acorn if you wish. Then fill in the blanks with whatever is available. He might sign a qb but it shouldnt be manning.

I do have ONE QUESTION Armando.....

How many playoff games did GB play this year.....

I don't doubt Donald Drivers's is still a talent @ his craft....and among the top NFL WR's in the NFL....and maybe even the best on his his team....

but using the sentence you used to quantify a reason for the FINS to want him.....all i'm saying is that there are so many better examples of what Driver has accomplished over his distinqued career.....or this season in particular....

ok....i'm done with it....and in the end.....if Driver came here...I wou'd support that.....

NY G - And it got Ditka thrown out on his behind too, along with everyone else involved in that debacle.

It's the one and only time anyone has ever made such a trade....and I doubt anyone will be that dumb again.

You people obviously don't understand salary cap, and what a role the draft plays in it.

Wolfie,

Great, EXCELLENT, FANTASTIC point about trading away drafts and high picks.

To compensate you're forced to dip heavily into Free Agency. Thus taxing the salary cap and structure of the entire team.

Yet another legitimate concern when considering selling the farm for single players like RGIII.

Great Post Wolfie!!!!

Odin - And that's exactly what New Orleans had to do in 2000....dip heavily into FA and it cost them a bundle. They were up against it and just trying to manage the cap for a good 5 years or so....never mind actually bringing in talent.

Dont' get me wrong....I'm a big RG3 fan and I think he's going to be great in the NFL....but that price is just too high to pay. Even when I see other teams make moves for a potential franchise QB, I don't ever see anything as dramatic as some of what has been said here. Most do it the old fashioned way....they suck and they draft a QB they like at their draft position...they don't generally give away the farm.

I guess one notable exception to that would be the NY Giants and the Manning deal....which was huge, but not nearly the equiv of giving up an entire draft and the top of next years draft.

Irescum did a 3 fer 1 last year that was a disaster. And he failed to draft ANY QB in the best year for QB"S in 20 years. I guess he thought he was Mike Ditka and D Thomas was Ricky Williams. What an IDIOT!

Guys, I really think it may be this simple:
Cleveland is in the ultimate Cat-Bird seat. They have a perfect storm of picks to give the Rams that still puts the Rams in the position to draft one of the two top players on their board (projected), plus ANOTHER Firster. The only way Cleveland doesn't get Griffin is if they don't want him. That or Washington goes so ape-nuts that they give away rights to every draft pick they have until 2015.
*So if Cleveland really doesn't want Griffin? .. Then we compete with Wash, which has a history of lunatic fringe deals. Will we beat Wash with our wimpy leverage, and cautious GM? ..Doubtful.
**So if Washington really doesn't want Griffin? ... then trading up won't take our whole draft. BUT, this is on the far edge of possible IMO.
Relax all. Our draft isn't going to be sold out. And Griffin isn't coming either.
We'll try, prob, but fail.

Every time I mention RGIII and that we dont need a Vick style player you all come back to me with the "RGII is not Vick" crap. If it looks, quacks and runs like duck.. IT;S A FREAKING DUCK.

And also...How many games did Michael Vick win for the Eagles this year?

Exactly... We dont need RGIII.

RGIII is NOT a good fit for the fins as they are built for a pocket passer NOT a young, intelligent, athletic great personality and charisma QB who was taught to RUN FOR HIS LIFE through collage.

RG will without a doubt for the Dolphins become a "project". Sure, he will win games but also he is very, very susceptible to getting flattened by the D in the NFL. Our O line is going to susceptible to injuries as they have no clue where this kid will launch from directionally.

He will require 2 -3 years of behavioral training which in the end, when under pressure he will resort to running.

By the time we are done with the behavioral training the O line and players will either be retired or will become free agents and hence, we will be once again rebuilding.

We need to stop the bleeding with all the years and years and years of band aids and fix this once and for all.

RGIII is a lot closer to Pat White then he is to Michael Vick. He's dropping in the draft and will never be mediocre in the NFL.

JS_in_LA - Funny you should mention Cleveland. I was just talking to my cousin who lives that way....he's been telling me for awhile that he doesn't think Holmgren wants to trade anything for RGIII (but would likely take him if he dropped to #4)...but rather, Holmgren would like to fill out the roster a bit and see what McCoy can do with some talent around him.

He also mentioned he's hearing a lot of Tannehill talk as a fall back with their 2nd pick in the 1st round.

This is all what he's hearing on the local shows and media, so I have no earthly idea. I wonder if Ohio Dolfan has heard anything.

In my cousins words, "I think we're going to let you guys and Washington duke it out for RG3 while we build our roster."

I'm on the Blackmon bandwagon!! After the two-top QBs are gone, the price to trade up should diminish. Trade up a few slots and select Blackmon who is going to be a STUD!!


And I'm on the Black Man bandwagon!

I appreciate the responses to my comments on Mando's last post. I continue to believe that the winning equation = Philbin + Sherman + System + Flynn (or Tannehill in the draft if Flynn goes elsewhere).

I am NOT saying that a healt Manning or RG3 couldn't work here. I am saying both are very unlikely a very big gambles. Nobody will know if Manning is healthy until he is thrown into a full off-season. The Rams' #2 pick will be VERY costly and I see the Redskins or Cleveland offering more than the Fins can/will. So to not take Flynn with the hope RG3 will get taken in the draft just seems too risky and really unrealistic.

So, I think paying Flynn a fair starting QB salary makes sense.

RGIII is a lot closer to Pat White then he is to Michael Vick. He's dropping in the draft and will never be mediocre in the NFL.
Posted by: Anthony | February 21, 2012 at 06:41 PM

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Where are you seeing that he's dropping in the draft? Every board I look at has him going either 2nd to Washington or Cleveland via trade or Cleveland straight up @ 4. That's pretty much where he's been for quite awhile now.

So where are you seeing that he's dropping? In terms of best player available, I've seen him dropping a bit....but every board I look at has him pretty much between 7-10 in RE to BPA....so dropping on one board might be to 8 instead of 7....and putting Blackmon up to 7 from 8....it doesn't mean he's not going very early.

BTW....nobody drafts BPA....it's a farse. It's a combination of BPA and need and the player who best matches both....and there's always a premium on certain positions.

I would love trading up and taking a **CHANCE** on RGIII.

The thing is, I wouldn't want to seel the farm to take the **BIG CHANCE** that RGIII represents.

No matter how in love you are with RGIII, you simply can't get around the fact that he is a CHAN-CEY proposition.

He may or may not turn out to be better than Luck. We can't know for sure until it actually happens. At THIS POINT I would be more inclined to take the leap over Luck than RGIII.

Either way, they both represent big risks. RGIII being the bigger of the two. To sell the farm for any one player, myself personally, I would have to be a lot more confident than I am in either of these two.

wolfman13 and odinseye,

I'm talking about 1st round picks... I have no problem with you if you choose to think that the 1st and 2nd round picks are more valuable then a pallet of solid gold bars but I think they are what they are.. a crap shoot.

Just exactly WHAT do we have to show for with all those 1st round picks the fins used? Besides Long.. we have nothing and just how many Superbowl's have the Dolphins been to since Marino with all the first round picks???? ZERO.

I say trade the house and barn and for all I car the next three years of 1st round picks for Andrew Luck.

It HAS to be worth a try because everything else just ain't working my friends...

I am open to doing what's best for the team but jeez.. we suck and there are many factors that made us that way.

We have a once in a life time chance to take a chance, risk it and hey.. it can pay dividends for the next 18 years or it can fall flat on the ground and fail.

If we compared that to investing in a 401k, and you are say 20 years old.. are you going to put your contributions in the most risk or in the money market.

Just my opinion guys.

Now...assuming Flynn accepts a FA deal from the Fins...

There are some real benefits to not dealing our draft picks.

#1 Go get a top rated pass rusher - should get very strong talent at #8/9

#2 Get a big speed WR or a true pass threat TE. We need to add to Beast, Bess and Clay. Hartline will NEVER be a true #2 receiver. Fasano is not scaring anyone. He makes a few plays every few games but a true difference maker. So, get the top talent WR or TE at this position depending on what is taken in FA.

#3 Get a Safety or CB (move Wilson to FS if necessary)

#4 Get Offensive lineman G or T

Free Agency should be used to get

1) Right OT or Guard. I think Murtha, Gardner and Jerry will earn the other spot on the right side.
2) Linebacker that can play either 3/4 or 4/3. Someone who is a really solid ILB in a 4/3. I think the 4/3 works best for the talent (after Solai leaves). Wake, Misi and Burnett are solid OLB's. Dansby is solid ILB. Need one more ILB.
3) Based on my comments on draft above we need to find a solid #2 WR or starting TE in FA.

Wolfman,
Interesting. Thanks for the inside info.
Well, a tad likelier, but I still don't see us beating Washington's crazy crew for trade up supremacy.
Most pundits, sources etc. are under the impression we plan to offer something for the trade up - which i agree we'll do. I just don't see what we have to beat Wash with.
But who knows.
VERY doubtful Ireland will pull a Ditka. He isn't the type.
If I had a guess, I'd wager we'd offer this & next year's first, plus a player. Even if Wash matches, their position is better.
BPA in the 1st, & Cousins in 2-3rd round is my optimal. Good news is Tannehill is projecting 11th pick right now. I'd be shocked if we went there in the 1st. But lord knows I haven't been accurate when it comes to Dolphins FO.

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