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Patriots to use franchise tag on Wes Welker

The fallout (as in nuclear) of having Super Bowl success is that other teams get the idea that one way to succeed is to steal coaches and players from the participants.

Such might be the case with New England wide receiver Wes Welker, who happened to lead the NFL in catches in 2011 with 122 receptions. Welker is scheduled to be an unrestricted free agent. And that is the way it is likely to stay for a while because the sides apparently have a different opinion of Welker's worth.

So do the Patriots lose their top recevier?

No, according to Greg Bedard of the Boston Globe. Bedard joined my radio show, Armando and Perkins, this morning and made it clear he knows New England's plans for Welker.

"He's going to be tagged, that I know for pretty much certain," said Bedard, who clarified that it's the franchise tag the Pats would use. "If they don't, he's going to sign with the Jets and they're going to have to try and cover him twice a year, or the Dolphins ... They want him back. I don't see why things would change now, but the way it stood before the Super Bowl, they're going to tag him."

Bedard said the Patriots don't want to pay Welker like an elite receiver. Welker wants to be paid like, well, an elite receiver. Thus the franchise tag to keep Welker from hitting free agency and going to the Jets. (I doubt the Dolphins would sign him because they are invested in Davone Bess as a slot receiver).

The other intriguing thing Bedard said that should be of great interest to Dolphins' fans is that once the Patriots apply the franchise tag to Welker, things will get interesting. And by interesting he meant antogonistic.

Bedard said once the franchise tag goes on Welker he can see, "another Logan Mankins situation where Welker doesn't report until Week 8 of next season."

Wow!

Tom Brady without his favorite receiver until Week 8 next season? Best piece of news Dolphins fans have gotten in quite some time.

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Forgive the typos, its not me, its James Beam.

Ok well, now that I've stalled the conversation, I'll let you all be. Have at it, continue on...time to divert my attention to other matters.

Block head...I agree....Eli soared over Brady 2 times on the NFL' biggest stage.....and in the end....Eli made plays where Brady did not.....

But QBs do duel.....do you remember the great Marino v. Ken obrien games.....

Or even the Marino v. Kelly duels.....

The QBs never were on the field at the same time.....but each raised there level of play just the same.....

The really good one's openly admit that they are rise to the level of the QB on the other side line.....Peyton/Brady.....Brees/Rodgers.....

Guys who know that they have to carry the team on their back.....

And let me ask you this.....in the name of team sport....what kind of team does INDY have without Peyton Manning.....

fin4life,

I read your old post on what you'd give up for Griffin.

It makes sense not to mortgage several 1st round picks like Armando was suggesting and only deal in 2012 year picks.

I don't recall you having an option of draft picks and players.

Since the Fins are going to the west coast offense, would Marshall be expendable and included in the trade for Griffin (or some other player)?

Rams need o-line protection for Bradford and a good receiver (they could get Blackmon if they trade with Browns).

Which players would you throw in?

WElker would be NEARLY as good in Miami as he is in NE. Brady makes him what he is today. Why are we even talking about this? Let NE franchise him. Personally I don't think he's nearly as good since the injury, don't care if he did have 122 catches.

We're not a Wes Welker away from a Championship, so who cares. Jets are nuts if they add him. They aren't a Wes Welker away either.

Next topic.....

Welker is too much of a goodie two shoes to hold out.

Jets need a new quarterback more than the Dolphins do.

Should have said 'Welker WOULDN'T be nearly as good in Miami'. Brady makes him.

What's all this negative talk about Eli Manning. The guy has won 2 SBs in 4 years. He has made many comeback wins, credit where credit is due! WTF guys!

Brady made Welker, like Brandon Marshall said, the QB makes the receiver great!

Eli threw a decent pass so you anoint him elite QB? This is a guy who after his first two seasons, the fans in Miami would have demanded he be fired. Henne is better than Eli.

What did Eli have to do with the 49ers dropping a pass? What did Eli have to do with the Patriots dropping a pass? Nothing. Zero. Zilch. Nada.

If a receiver catches a pass, the Giants lose. Eli's contribution: a decent pass in a losing effort.

Crikey. I can find a QB anywhere that can throw a decent pass. That makes you elite? Are you kidding me.

Eli's ONLY assets are (1) He always gets back up after hitting the ground and (2) he doesn't care if they win or lose so he always appears calm.

Other QB's actually have passion.

Well, you couldnt really blame our braintrust at the time they dealt Welker. Truth be told, at that time we would be hardpressed to find anyone that would give us 4th rd'er for our entire recievings corps. Let alone a 2nd rd'er for only one of our recievers.

Plus at the time we werent going to pay Welker big money in a new contract. Bellichick could have offered him more in fa and just snatched him from underneath us outright. We all saw value in Welker, but absolutely no one saw 100 plus catches a year.

I wouldn't let Eli play QB for an intramural girls football team.

New Coach @ 10:21,
That is the same thing I have been saying about Matt Flynn. The game against Detroit doesn't mean he is franchise qb material.

Professor Lou,

You are right. His body of work isn't limited to Detroit however.

With Welker, Bellichick may have created a monster in whom now he cant control. Sure Welker can get you 100 plus catches but at the end of the day he's still just a slot, not a feature reciever.

The Pats have built him up into a slot reciever who can post feature reciever numbers. On one hand thats very good. On the other hand, come contract time, its very bad. Its just too difficult giving a slot reciever #1 feature reciever money.

Welker's extremely good, but he isnt Megatron. He isnt even Brandon Marshall. So though he put up great numbers all you can do is make him the highest paid "slot" reciever ever. Even if you do that, its probably still half of what he will be asking.

I still don't know why Miami got rid of welker. He was good back then too

Professor Lou,
You are right. His body of work isn't limited to Detroit however.
Posted by: New Coach Wanted | February 08, 2012 at 10:31 PM

He has no body of work.

Craig m you are crazy. Eli may not be Eli-te but he is better than all Miami QBs since number 13. Heck even crappy romo is better than all of them.

As a pure slot wr anyone paying Welker more than $5 million a year will be pure madness for the slot position. Which is still a very weird position because Welker posted numbers that would make him an elite #1 wr.

Still, when was the last time Welker commanded a double team? Also, almost no one's covering Welker with thier #1 corner.

No Ring Dan was a local hero. But across the country he's not considered in the top 15 QB's. His ballhandling was poor and his mobility was non existent. Not a money QB in the big games either.

"He has no body of work"

Professor Lou,

If you are going to have a web page on the draft, you had better be smarter than that statement.

He has started 2 NFL games, played in multiple exhibition games, practiced in the NFL, and played college. His body of work FAR exceeds ANY draft pick.

But... would I jump on Flynn? No. Here is a standard rule for my evaluation - you don't have an exceptional arm, I put you at the bottom of my list. The arm is not the end of the evaluation though, I want a playmaker - a guy who has the smarts and the balls to make things happen who isn't afraid to call his own play. You have those qualities and a stronger arm - you are my guy. Some may ask, what is a strong arm. You can't throw the ball 70 yards in the air, you don't have a strong arm. You can't knock the wind out of a receiver on a 25 yard pass, you don't have a strong arm.

Ok, those are my QB qualities. That said, I trust in our new coach. If he makes a play for Flynn, I am on board. If he ignores Flynn, I am on board. The only thing our new HC has done that worries me is the moves for coaches on the defensive side. However, get a good enough offense, you can have an average defense.

Said a lot. My apologies.

Any qb that finishes a season statiscally ranked within the top 5 of his piers can be considered elite. That's why they call them elite.

Eli finished #4 in total stats among his peers last season. Elite in the football sense is any player that ranks amongst the top of his peers no matter what position he plays. In 2011 Eli Manning was truly an elite qb.

Guys, you cant change the meaning of elite to suit your taste. The top 5 teams in the league are considered the nfl elite teams. Anything below top 5 begins very good.

The only trick to being elite is remaining elite. To remain elite takes consistency. Statiscally Eli wasnt an elite qb in 2010. He'll have to finish within the the top 5 of his piers to remain elite in 2012.

But nothing changes the FACT that in 2011 Eli was an elite nfl qb. The stats dont lie. He finished ranked #4 overall as an nfl qb. No one's arguing he was the "best nfl qb". Just that statiscally he wasamongst the 5 best qb's in the league.

YG,

You are losing your mind.

Any QB that finishes in the top 5 can be considered elite? Where is that rule written?

You say the meaning of elite can't be changed to suit your taste but you just did it.

Please provide a reference to ANYTHING that says your definition is correct.

He has started 2 NFL games, played in multiple exhibition games, practiced in the NFL, and played college. His body of work FAR exceeds ANY draft pick.

Posted by: New Coach Wanted | February 08, 2012 at 10:43 PM

Where is the body of work?

By some of you guys standards here a qb(Manning) throwing 37 tds in a season hasnt done nearly enough to be considered elite. Hell, if that's such an easy accomplishment, then why couldnt Henne ever even throw 20tds in a single season?

Professor Lou,

You are kidding right.

The body of work IS 2 NFL games, multiple exhibition games, NFL practices, and college experience.

Body of work: total experience.

YG,

Because he didn't have receivers who caught the ball. Because he didn't have coaches that called for passes inside the 20. Because he didn't have a line that blocked. The list of reasons goes on.

Why didn't Marino win a dozen Superbowls given he was the best pure passer who ever played the game? Uh... because the Dolphins never had a running game. Uh... because the Dolphins never had a defense.

Bellicheat gave up a 2nd for Welker because he saw something there that many others didn't.

Don't believe for second that Bellicheat was being nicey nice is giving us a pick instead waiting for him to hit the market.

He knew what a few others did(no one in Miami of course)and didn't want to get into a bidding war.

Score another one for the Hoodie! Say what you want about the guy, he does have his moments.

Coach Wanted,

Do you realize how difficult it is to throw 30tds in a single season? If it were that easy over half the qb's in the league would be doing it every season. Hell, only 4 other qb's threw for more tds than Eli's 37 tds.

Rodgers, Brady, Breeze, and Stafford. That's it. Stafford had the unstoppable Megatron.

Professor Lou,
You are kidding right.
The body of work IS 2 NFL games, multiple exhibition games, NFL practices, and college experience.
Body of work: total experience.
Posted by: New Coach Wanted | February 08, 2012 at 10:51 PM

So what are you saying? Are you saying that his body of work doesn't consist of much?

If Eli Manning is so elite, why has he only thrown for 3 400 yard games while Henne has already thrown for 1. Why did Eli, so elite, have a 93.6 rating in those games when pathetic Henne also had a 93.6 rating?

Coach Wanted,

Marino finished top 5 statiscally almost every season he played during his prime. There's yet to be an elite qb to win a championship based purely on his own greatness. Most were backed with adequate running games and GREAT defenses.

No matter how great a qb is, if you're one dimensional as a team, great defenses will take that away from you. So even with your great qb, you better bring an adequate run game and a great defense to a championship game to maximize your chances of winning.

Eli ranked 4th in yards.

In all other categories he was right around 10 or higher.

I think there are some fans that can't accept Eli as a star QB because he doesn't fit the typical star profile. He has that aw shucks boy next door demeanor and some of you can't get beyond it.

You can rationalize it anyway you want but his two SB runs were nothing short of stellar and clutch, and against the finest competition. No fluke, because he repeated it, and the encore was even more impressive.

So you can close your eyes, you can make believe, you can rationalize and make excuses, but anyone with any kind of objective view can see Eli's stature as a top 5 QB and future HOF'r. He isn't done yet. Today he many not be a first ballot entry, but before he is done, maybe so. He has as good a shot as anyone to win the trophy again.

I am saying his body of work exceeds any draft pick.

YG,

Why don't you post how many QB's have thrown for more interceptions than Eli? Or been sacked more than Eli?

a qbr can be both indicative of a qb's greatness and also be decieving of it. To have a high qbr, a qb simply needs to throw far more tds than picks in a game.

For instance, a qb needs mere throw 2tds and 0 interceptions in a game to post a 100 qb rating. A qb can complete 50% of his passes then throw 2 tds vs no picks and have a 100plus qb rating.

A qbr is and isnt indicative of a qb's greatness. But if he cant throw tds and piles up the picks. It will show him up for the bum he really is. LOL

You guys stuck on personal stats might as well stick to collecting cards. They mean nothing. 400 yard games, blah blah blah. There is a game plan to execute that may not be focused on individual stats.

The stats that count are W's. The bigger stats that count are playoff W's.

Eli excels when it counts. I don't care if he throws for 3 yards, he wins the dang game. He rises to the occasion.

Henne and his 400 yard games. Have you ever sprayed pesticide on an insect? That is how Henne reacts when the game is on the line.

Talk about closing your eyes.

What about the continuity and great coaching, the great run game, the good to great receivers, the super great Defense?

Let me guess, when you close your eyes Eli is elite. But when they struggled and lost it was a team sport? Huh? Is that what you're getting at?

Eli is a very GOOD to ALMOST Great QB period. Nothing more, nothing less. He's the classic example of being a product of the system, Coaching staff and team around him.

And please, for the sake of embarrassing yourself even more, lay off the 2 SB victories proving he's elite.

By your line of reasoning that makes Mark Rypien elite as well-LOL. And believe me Bro, Rypien is no more elite than Eli.

If Eli Manning is so elite, why has he only thrown for 3 400 yard games while Henne has already thrown for 1. Why did Eli, so elite, have a 93.6 rating in those games when pathetic Henne also had a 93.6 rating?

Posted by: New Coach Wanted | February 08, 2012 at 11:00 PM

What a genuinely stupid argument. You can't be serious. There is a game plan to follow. It's about your team beating their team, not how many 400 yard games you have. The W means far more than any QB rating.

Your philosophy is so immature and misguided it doesn't even warrant a response. I'll assume you are a teenager.

odin,

Its its total rankings a qb is judged by.

The Dolphins finished 6th against the run. That doesnt make them the 6th ranked defense. In total defense the dolphins finished something like 16th. 16th tells more the story of thier OVERALL performance last year.

Just like #4 tells the OVERALL story of Eli's performance last year. If he was 10th in some categories. To finished 4th OVERALL he must have been 1ST in other categories.

Eli is elite. Ok.

Eli averages 16.7 interceptions a year while Henne averages 9.25.

Eli averages 6.25 fumbles a year while Henne averages .75.

Eli had a 65.0 rating for his first 4 years while Henne had a 75.7.

Eli has a 58.04% career completion percentage while Henne has a 60.7% career completion percentage.

So... Henne sucks... but he bests Eli in every stat.

Anyway, why are dolfans so overly concerned if Eli is elite or not. He doesnt play for us. Hell he slayed our hated divisional rival Belichick and Brady TWICE in the sb.

Isnt that alone enough to like him? LOL

Just based on slaying Bellichick and Brady twice in the sb alone. Eli has my vote for Dolphins Ring Of Honor! LOL

Do any of you post on other blogs? Because this one here has a bunch of bloggers that are not very objective. They have their mind made up and will not let anything change their minds. In an attempt to negate results, some of you resort to totally irrelevant stats, like how many 400 yard games a qb had.

If you need to throw for 400 yards, you probably don't have the right game plan to win trophies. Don't believe me? Ask Marino.

Yesterday's Swan,

Do you have a tattoo of Ernest Borgnine on your left butt cheek?

I have one of Alan Hale (the 'Skipper' in Gilligan) on mine. They should kiss!

Ex New Yorker,

Your simple-minded view is the only stat that counts is "W's" and you have the audacity to claim others are immature and misguided?

You think a QB wins the game by himself and has claim to the "W". You must be an imbecile.

The argument (and its implications) was simple. I didn't think I needed to explain it at a 3rd grade level. In fact, I won't explain it at a 3rd grade level. Study up.

I am saying his body of work exceeds any draft pick.
Posted by: New Coach Wanted | February 08, 2012 at 11:05 PM

It is obvious, in terms of NFL experience, his body of work exceeds that of any draft pick. Not by much, but it does.
That being said, his "body of work" that you point to isn't much to hang your hat on.

I've never seen a worse pro QB then Henne.

New Coach

Your arguments are so feeble I can't muster up any energy to respond. You go on comparing Henne and 400 yard games or qb ratings, its absurd. There is a game plan. Good coaches scheme to win. Good QB's execute the plan.

You are too stuck on silly stats to see the big picture.

A qb is 2 for 2 in Super Bowls against arguably the best Coach/QB duo in HISTORY, and he is named the MVP in both games, and you are off making comparisons to Henne?

Yeah right. Time for you to ask mommy for an ovaltine and get some rest.

Stick a fork in me Im done. I may be baked, but I see many here sre brain fried.

Seeyas dont wann beeyas! LOL

Ex New Yorker,
Your simple-minded view is the only stat that counts is "W's" and you have the audacity to claim others are immature and misguided?
You think a QB wins the game by himself and has claim to the "W". You must be an imbecile.
The argument (and its implications) was simple. I didn't think I needed to explain it at a 3rd grade level. In fact, I won't explain it at a 3rd grade level. Study up.
Posted by: New Coach Wanted | February 08, 2012 at 11:20 PM

That's exactly the argument I used when I said Matt Flynn's performance in the Detroit game needs to be looked at more subjectively. If you look at the number of td's he is credited for in the game there were 3 td's that were due to the play after the catch and one due to a spectacular catch by the receiver. Still, everyone will say he had a 6 td day.
When it comes to wins, passing yards and passing touchdowns the quarterback gets the credit for it all.

No, one problem, ELI didn't finish 4th overall. We've been over this YG.

He finished 4th in passing yards, that's it. he finished 7th overall.

I'm not going to argue the elite thing. You have your opinion and I can respect that. But he didn't finish anywhere near 4th overall.

Ex New Yorker,

I see facts aren't important in your life. Your rely on common sense - your common sense. Sort of like the morons who killed themselves because they thought Y2K signaled the end of the world.

Go to bed. There will be a new fairy tale for you to believe in tomorrow.

We would've gotten Andrew Luck if Henne didnt get injured.

Why is it when Matt Moore throws a screen to Reggie Bush and he gets a lot of YAC people tend to downplay that. But, when Flynn does the same thing it's because "he put the ball right where it needed to be for the runner to continue and gain extra yards."

Professor Lou,

I think we aren't communicating. There isn't enough on Flynn to proclaim he is exceptional or a complete failure.

The only guy with a real clue is Philbin. His actions will indicate which is more probable.

Eli is definitely elite. A HOFer barring injury.

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