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Ricky Williams retires and we think his value was ....

Going to keep it simple this morning ...

Ricky Williams retired Tuesday. He played seven seasons with the Dolphins and gained 6,426 yards in that time. He sat out 2004 in semi-retirement, sat out 2006 while suspended, and played only a couple of snaps in 2007 because of injury.

In those years, the Dolphins went to the playoffs once -- in 2008 when Williams was a reserve.

The Dolphins paid a steep price for that body of work. They gave up a first-round pick in 2002, a first-round pick in 2003, a fourth-rounder in 2002 and a fourth-rounder in 2003. They got a 2003 fourth-rounder back along with Williams.

Simple questions:

Did the Dolphins get value for their draft picks?

If you had to do the trade again, would you make it?

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Dear Mr. Craig M

"He started the spiral downwards from when JJ was here."

I wish there was a visual chart like they show in board room meeting showing the downward siral this franchise has been on since coach Shula was forced out.

Soiled :)

Soiled Bottom @ 12:39...thank you....

Wolfman13, why do you smoke? Does your mouth crave it, or are you angry without smoke. Do you feel more relax when smoking? I always pondered why smoke?

Clue | February 08, 2012 at 12:29 PM

Well as a smoker I'd like to say that when I wake up in the morning I brew some coffee get my morning paper and light up on my way to the Can.

After each individual meal I can say a Cigarette is a must and the feeling is one any smoker gets but can't explain.

The ultimate Victory lap, a smoke after sex!

I know smoking is BAD for me but then again is a SuperMarket full of meat products which have been been put through some kind of hormonal enhancement in order to grow the animal quicker and cheapen the cost of production.

Hey you don't eat meat fine do you know the amount of Nitroglycerin in the fertilizer's being used in your Organic products which are causing cancers as well as almost everything grown today brings a % of GMO (Genetically modified) to your dinner plate as well.

The spike in World Wide illnesses is mind blowing and starts with what chemical make up of the foods we eat long before you pick up a Cigarette, drinks or smoke anything else grown on God's green Earth.

Wicky at 12:04, nicely said

Kris,

I was a Sparano fan when he was here. I defended him on many occasions, as you know. However, he was given every opportunity to turn things around and didn't. You judge a head coach over four years on his won-loss record and it wasn't good enough. Too many games this team should have won and didn't and that falls on the HC. That's the nature of the business.

Good guy. Well liked. Well respected. Great. Doesn't meant sh*t at the end of the day. It's all about wins and losses and there wasn't enough of one and too many of the other.....case closed.

Craig/Mark/Kris,

Check the sky, you might see pigs flying. Craig said he's on board with the QB-first approach, and I'm becoming a softy in my old age.

What is going on? Are we in the Twilight Zone?

Wolfman, good luck with your addiction man. I know you can beat it, after all, you're a Dolphin - you got to be tough to still be here!

DC...Craig M has been coming over to the dark side slowly....

Jeff Ireland talks about his plans to get Peyton Manning:

http://www.xtranormal.com/watch/13018330/dolphins-gm-talks-peyton-manning

YLAS, but how long did it take the Bears to recover. He was their coach in the mid 90s and they stunk so much for so long. Like us. Hopefully we can get to one super bowl and be fodder like the Bears were for Peyton.

How said is it to be envious of that??

NHFINSFAN, LOL!!!!!! Where the hell do you get stuff like this?? LOL!!

montreal....took me about 20 mins to create it.

DC, Craig is a staunch supporter in his views but also man enough to admit when he sees things in a different light, even if it was contrary to his original thoughts. That's an awesome trait.

Only a blind donkey can't see that you need one of the best qbs in the league in that given year to have a shot. Pass rush and all is nice but that pass rush was muted for a long, long time in that super bowl game. Those passes were surgical and the pass to Manningham?? He dropped it in a bucket between two receivers from 30 yards out!!! Any receiver worth his salt could've made that catch but very few people on thsi earth could've made that pass.

NHFINSFAN, good stuff my man...Should e-mail it to Ross...LOL!!

They call me "Sweetness," and I like to dance. Runnin' the ball is like makin' romance.

Mark,

Thanks man. Yeah I'm softening in my old age. It's not quite the black and white world I was lead to believe.

Kris, I might soften to the point that I don't fight quite as much.....MAYBE....LOL.

Now where's that QB?

All you jealous punks can't stop my dunks.

Mark, agreed...What a pass by Manning...That's the difference in the game...Making plays and having luck on your side...The Giants had both...Made more plays and were very lucky...I mean, what are the odds of fumbling 3 friggin times and recover all of them? Amazing!

My name is Mudd.

Btw, what a great young QB Eli Manning has become. Just a few years ago I didn't think he had it in him. I thought he'd forever be the 'deer in the headlights' kind of guy. I didn't think he had it in him to be a leader of men and to step out of his brother's shadow. That throw he made to Manningham was OUTSTANDING and obviously the catch was VERY impressive. Manning has grown up and admittedly is 'elite'.

When it comes to Wannstedt, I believe the fan base has matured or become more sophisticated. Perhaps because of the advent of internet blogs like this one.

How come nobody talks about how Wannstedt was never given anything but Fiedler to work with for like 7 years? Fiedler would be 4th string on today's team. Can anyone even name the GM from Wannstedt's era? Back then we didn't get to that level of analysis--just blamed Wanny for everything.

Craig, Manning was 9-7 this year and lucked into the playoffs. We should have been 10-6.

Yes. Well worth it. Haven't had that caliber of a star in Miami since Marino. It was important for the franchise no matter how it played out.

Wanny sucks...total idiot...The GM was Rick Spielman, but Wannstedt had final say on everything, he had all the power...What a big mistake that was...Drafting a CB with your first pick when you have Surtain and Madison...Total douche...

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1. life
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Mudd,

He has TWO Superbowl rings and in the process has won EIGHT road games in the playoffs. His playoff numbers during those two victories are VERY impressive. Don't try and diminish his accomplishments.

OK, back for a few minutes while the kiddo eats his lunch.

Mudd - If I recall, Wanny had full control for most of his tenure as Dolphins HC and then Spielman was brought in towards the end when Wayne H started to think enough was enough.

Fiedler was Wanny's boy and he never wanted to bring in any real competition. Once he started to get pressure to do so, he brought in guys like Griese and finally Feeley. He ultimately played them both in a kind of "see....told you these guys weren't any better, but we tried" kind of thing.

Looks like you're just looking for a fight, Mudd. I have neither the energy nor the time.

Enjoy thinking we should have been 10-6.....good day!

NHFINSFA, funny, but Moore was 6-3 and should have been 7-2.

Armando,

that's a dumb question. Marino never won a Super Bowl. Should he be considered better than Griese that won two? Ricky Williams had the misfortune to play for arguably the worst two coaches in Dolphin history in Dave Wanstadt and Cam Cameron. Was he worth the price the Dophins paid? He almost gained 2,000 yards one year and we still did not make the Playoffs. Is that Ricky's fault? I will say this.Talent wise he was the best running back in Dolphins history.

dark side? There is a dark side? GO TO THE LIGHT CAROLAN! TO THE LIGHT!

"we should have been 10-6"......how do you figure? We are what are record says we are......and that would be 6-10.

Personally, IMO, the only reason the players got off their arses and won 6 was the rant Sparano gave to them at the 0-7 point.....something to the effect of "fine...you guys want me out of here, that's fine....but just remember a whole lot of you will be gone too."

I think that woke up a whole lotta guys. Perhaps if Sparano would have done this earlier, he could have saved his job. I doubt that though....Sparano was Wayne H's guy......Ross wanted his hand picked guy in there. Time will tell if Philbin was really the guy Ross had in mind.

The Giants have been a top notch organization for almost 30 years, in the super bowl hunt most years. Eli had the fortune of going to a good organization.

The Fins, on the other hand, are a terrible organization, as are the Colts.

We were 6-10 but could have been 16-0 if we didn't lose those 10 games.

I think Ricky was worth the shot. We watched for about 20 years for the Dolphins to "find" a RB in the draft or free agent and the failed time after time - Sammy Smith, Karim A-J, Cecil Collins, Lamar Smith, etc. So they took a chance and paid heavy, but Ricky delivered before totally losing it for a time.

Sometimes you have to take a calculated risk and it may not work out. I hope they take a risk and trade up for RG3 even if the cost is high.

Before he left the team I liked him, he was different but he was a good football player. After he left, who cares! I can't respect a person for treating his teammates like he did. I never wanted him back. This guy is a jerk for the way the left the team right before training camp. Plus he is a pot head which most use an excuse. Grow up and be a man! Drugs are for losers!

3 games were lost on missed FGs. We scored more points than our opponents, seasonwide.

I think if any one of us were allowed to go in that locker room and spew a half time speach we would of been 12-4.

Do these players know the crap we go through supporting them. :)

Muddy, haha, the GM in substance if not name was.... wannstedt. He dug his own grave.

I feel no pity, the man is a buffoon, ignoramus, idiot, piece of garbage football man.

He's the only idiot who thought a nickel corner would be a better move than taking a chance on drew brees.

true

Well gimme the microphone first, so I can bust like a bubble. Compton and Long Beach together? No you know you in trouble.

Speaking of Brian Grease, he was awesome. Seriously. Quick release, accurate, smart. A winner.

Craig, Montreal, blows my mind how people still want to diminish Eli. Just nuts. He's as good as there is in the league, without doubt. And if anyone wants to question him, how? Two rings, two mvps, and still not 30.

Ricky carried this team the whole time he was in Miami. Wannsted ran him into the ground because of the horrible offence he put together. I don't blame him for taking time to find himself. How would you handle carrying a team on your shoulders for 6 years? Mondo can't even keep a blog half interesting on a daily basis. He'd crumble like a coffee cake in seconds.

Only a blind donkey can't see that you need one of the best qbs in the league in that given year to have a shot. Pass rush and all is nice but that pass rush was muted for a long, long time in that super bowl game. Those passes were surgical and the pass to Manningham?? He dropped it in a bucket between two receivers from 30 yards out!!! Any receiver worth his salt could've made that catch but very few people on thsi earth could've made that pass.

Mark in Toronto | February 08, 2012 at 01:19 PM

The Pats were able to get some early pressure in getting a couple of quick early Sacks but N.Y. adjusted quickly to their formation and neutralized it for the majority of the game.

The Pats played a base 3/4 (no suprise) with a heavy set DL that really featured 3 DT's in their base formation. You had V.Wilfork (LDE) Brandon Deaderick (DT) and J.Warren (RDE) with Shaun Ellis spelling across the DL. The Pats when NY adjusted did nothing really because the formation completely neutralized the run game with Jacobs and Bradshaw running into that wall up front.

They were generating most of their rush from the Weak side OLB spot with R.Ninkovich (who while game is no Mike Vrabel) who committed an offside penalty with NY backed up on it's Goaline which was BIG when it happened given it bails NY out of a 3rd and 6 and allowed them to flip field position in a game were it was a factor and NY always seemed to get the better of that particular little battle that most ignore but is a huge factor in Football and paid certain dividends in this S.B. for NY given the downs and distances N.E. had to go for their scores.

Yeah, and how about Eddie Moore instead of Anquan Boldin?? The guy wasn't even anything special in Tennessee...Pathetic...

I think Ricky was worth the shot. We watched for about 20 years for the Dolphins to "find" a RB in the draft or free agent and the failed time after time - Sammy Smith, Karim A-J, Cecil Collins, Lamar Smith, etc. So they took a chance and paid heavy, but Ricky delivered before totally losing it for a time.

Sometimes you have to take a calculated risk and it may not work out. I hope they take a risk and trade up for RG3 even if the cost is high.

Posted by: Craig | February 08, 2012 at 01:38 PM

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That's what I'm hoping for. I really like the SI article about Robert Kraft and Kraft basically saying that when you always play it safe, mediocrity is ultimately what you're going to get (not exact wording), with a good season mixed in here or there.

If you want to win big and win often, big risks have to be taken. They may blow up in your face, but ultimately, your winnings will out shine those misses.

Mark...they don't like Eli because he is not the media version of what a QB should be...he's not a golden boy like Brady or Rodgers...or a bad boy like Rothlisberger or Romo.

He's too QUIET...too SWEET to be a rough and tumble QB.

We also gave up 1st rounders on Jamar Fletcher and John Avery and 4th rounders on Lorenzo Brommel and who knows who else. We were absolutely wasting 1st rounders year after year, so I didn't have a problem doing it for Ricky. He was unbelievable and I really am glad he was on our team.

I think if Eli's last name wasn't Manning, he would have been given his just credits long ago as one of the best in the business. The guy has been money when it counts for quite awhile now.

Overall, P Manning is statistically better....but for my money, if I'm on the road and it's the 4th quarter, I'll take Eli any day of the week and twice on Sunday. He may cough up a few "WTF plays" here and there, but he's money when it counts the most.

Btw, what a great young QB Eli Manning has become. Just a few years ago I didn't think he had it in him. I thought he'd forever be the 'deer in the headlights' kind of guy. I didn't think he had it in him to be a leader of men and to step out of his brother's shadow. That throw he made to Manningham was OUTSTANDING and obviously the catch was VERY impressive. Manning has grown up and admittedly is 'elite'.

Craig M | February 08, 2012 at 01:24 PM


Before this year I didn't think he was an ELITE talent even with the 07 SB MVP because he was such an up and down player. BTW I believe he is now ELITE but he needs to do it a few more years before I'll say he's passed his Brother because that's just CRAZY talk. That argument of being a 2 time SB Champ putting him ahead of Peyton is like those that argue Steve Young is in Marino's class which IMO he isn't just was lucky enough to play with better talent and even with that they had to hire themselves a mercenary team with Deion, Norton, Plummer and a host to take the 95 S.B. The numbers don't lie and the Marino's and Peyton's of the World are in another stratosphere of there own all together.

Quick Poll: If Peyton passes an NFL standard physical, and can make all the required throws in an open training session - e.g. 20 yd out route with zip and accuracy...do we make him an offer?

Yes or No ?

yes

yes

I find it ironic the way that many a media football analyst gushes and wets themselves when talking about Tim Tebow as if he's the next great thing.....and in the same breath, they question whether Eli will ever make it to the HOF.

It's laughable really. Wish I could have that job and get paid loads of $$$ to be a total douche.

NHFINSFAN | February 08, 2012 at 02:00 PM

I think we would be crazy not to! I also believe we still NEED to draft one but IF Manning is healthy I believe he plays another 3 seasons easy.

yes, but you also draft a QB because Peyton won't be playing another 5 years...but yes, absolutely.

NHFINSFAN - Yes....I would have no problem if he can throw the ball even 80-90% of what he used to be able to do.

Personally, I don't believe that will happen. At this point, they're saying his arm strength is down by about 40% of what it once was and there is no timetable on the regeneration of the nerve. He has been throwing for Indy since December. I doubt that will change a whole lot between now and when he starts working out for teams. Personally, I believe that if Irsay and Indy really believed his arm would be back by the start of the season, we wouldn't even be talking about this because they'd sign him.....re-negotiate the contract, whatever.....

Whomever takes him will be taking a chance and simply hoping his arm returns to strength by the time the season rolls around. My guess is that he will absolutely pass a physical......but he's not really going to be able to throw like he used to for a very long time....maybe never.

Voy a hablar sobre los Delfines de Miami en español porque el español es el idioma de MIAMI! Es gente de habla inglesa ir al Sun Sentinel!

my unscientific poll shows 5 yes 0 no.

And with the rhetoric coming out of the front office, I believe we will make an offer as well and believe it's the right decision.

I also believe we draft a QB in the 2nd round to mature under Peyton.

Thanks for taking the poll!

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