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Philbin address to alumni shows attempt to balance building through the draft and Peyton Manning chase

As the Dolphins and other NFL teams chase Peyton Manning they recognize adding a potentially great player who is nearly 36-years old could improve the team dramatically, yes, but also could add to the roster a player fully formed by another team's culture, one who already established his philosophies and techniques while working elsewhere.

That can be a dilemma for some teams. It is apparently something of a dilemma for Dolphins coach Joe Philbin. You see, Philbin formed his philosophy on team-building with the Green Bay Packers in recent years and the Green Bay way is to build almost exclusively through the draft.

The Packers have not signed a free agent in two offseasons and Philbin believes, at least in part, that's the right way to do it. Yet, his team is chasing Manning, arguably the biggest NFL free agent in years.

Philbin addressed that dilemma on Wednesday evening when he met with an invited group of Dolphins alumni. The Dolphins invited their former players to the Nick Saban Memorial Bubble (NSMB) and had Philbin and his staff meet and greet with them.

"I was extremely impressed," defensive end Jeff Cross said this morning on my radio show, Armando and Perkins. "I had the opportunity to ask [Philbin] what about the draft stuck out for him, if anything. And he went on to say, I'm trying to summerize, he pointed out that in his entire time in Green Bay on offense, no single free agent wound up ever being a starter for them.

"So they are big advocates of drafting players and developing them. He actually said that good healthy players, the chances of good players being healthy and being allowed to become free agents is very minimal in the National Football League."

Former free safety Louis Oliver was also at the event and got the same message from Philbin.

"He was talking about his vision and his vision is he wants to build players from within, you know, draft and cultivate our own players as opposed to bringing in players from the outside," said Oliver, who immediately recognized the irony because of the Manning chase.

"But I think a guy like Peyton Manning puts you in such a dilemma because of what he can do and what he can bring to your team and organization. We're stuck right now with the question of building from the ground up or bringing people in and plugging them in right away because you know what you're getting."

Regardless of whether Philbin likes or dislikes the idea of filling his quarterback need with a free agent rather than a draft pick, he is clearly accepting of the fact the Manning chase is going to be the way the club will initially try to address the quarterback position.

"He finished his little talk with us with a little Q&A," Cross said. "And before anyone asked the first question, he jokingly addressed the Peyton Manning issue. He said there's going to be a Peyton Manning fund you guys can contribute to on the way out the door. So yeah, there seems to be a little disconnect between that and his personal philosophy on free agency."

Obviously, the Manning derby is the one everyone is focused upon now. But Philbin's stated philosophy seems more at odds with the idea of adding potential free agents that have been tied to Manning.

Yes, the Dolphins seem comfortable with Manning because he's a signature addition. But would their desire to add through the draft affect a decision on signing Reggie Wayne? Or Jeff Saturday? Those guys are considered Manning security blankets.

Do they fall in under the Manning umbrella or does the team's desire to add talent primarily through the draft excluse those aging veterans?

Cross said Philbin also shared with the alumni his view of Miami's personnel needs going forward.

"He feels the offensive line certainly has to be be better," Cross said. "He went on to say the pass-rush has to be better. And if we're going to beat New England, we have to have defensive backs that can cover their receivers. I thought that was extremely insightful as to where things might be headed in the next couple of months."

The Dolphins, by the way, have been very active lately getting both Philbin and general manager Jeff Ireland in the community and interacting with not only their alumni but fans. Ireland, for example, held a conference call with season ticket holders earlier this week.

Tonight, both will be at Sun Life Stadium as guest auctioneers in the "Ultimate Sports Auction," an event that will benefit the Make-A-Wish Foundation. Cross and nearly a dozen other sports celebrities will be at the event. Philbin has also visited local newspapers and spoken to various business groups.

At no time, however, was he quite so transparent as how he was with the former Dolphins players.

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It's quite simple: build the rest of the team through the draft.

The big problem with Manning, of course, would be having him hog a huge chunk of the salary cap all for himself (see Indianapolis Colts).

Building through the draft is ideally the way to go but peyton is obviously and exceptional case. I mean we are not talking about Trent green or Kyle orton here. I think you have to take all avenues into account but yes the bulk of the club has to come in through the draft. That's the only way to win.

But to say you shouldn't use free agency is stupidity. I mean new Orleans would not have had their super bowl if it wasn't for free agent signee drew brees.

Why does signing peyton manning make us a doormat for a decade after he retires? Brett retired on the jets and Vikings and the jets made two afc championship games immediately following and the Vikings drafted his successor one year later and are on the road to recovery already?

What is wrong with you people????

Posted by: Mark in Toronto | March 08, 2012 at 10:46 AM

Aside from 2008, what have the dolphins been for the last decade without a long term solution at QB? Correct, a doormat!

When Manning(NOT A LONG TERM SOLUTION) retires or gets knocked into retirement, Miami will be exactly where it's been for the last 10 years. A doormat without a long term solution at QB.

Surely, you can connect the dots. At least, I hope so!

As for the Vikings & Jets, they SHOWED the willingness to gamble & take a big leap on a young talent. When has Miami done that?

They have the opportunity to do so this year & they are going to chase old man Manning.

Surely, you can connect those dots too, right?

Funny how that stupid practice field is still called the Nick Saban Memorial Bubble.

But to say you shouldn't use free agency is stupidity. I mean new Orleans would not have had their super bowl if it wasn't for free agent signee drew brees.

Posted by: Mark in Toronto | March 08, 2012 at 11:45 AM

Ummm, Drew Brees was what, 28 or 29 when he signed?? NOT SOON TO BE 36! They HAD a future with Brees. Miami has NONE with Manning.

I am not a Manning hater....to the contrary; outside of Marino, Manning is my all time favorite QB.....but I forsee:

Miami inks Manning....Manning plays two years in Miami....Manning starts 20 of those 32 regular season games....Manning goes 0-1 in the playoffs....In 2 years Miami is right back where they started, looking for Marino's long term replacement.

I hope I'm wrong...but don't be surprised if I'm not.

Ummm, Drew Brees was what, 28 or 29 when he signed?? NOT SOON TO BE 36! They HAD a future with Brees. Miami has NONE with Manning.

Posted by: U R ALL KIDDING YOURSELVES | March 08, 2012 at 11:48

Actually, according to Wikipedia, Brees was 27. Almost a decade younger than Manning is now.

Ummm, Drew Brees was what, 28 or 29 when he signed?? NOT SOON TO BE 36! They HAD a future with Brees. Miami has NONE with Manning.

Posted by: U R ALL KIDDING YOURSELVES | March 08, 2012 at 11:48

Actually, according to Wikipedia, Brees was 27. Almost a decade younger than Manning is now.

Posted by: Captain Obvious | March 08, 2012 at 11:56 AM

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Beat me to it....I hate the Brees to Manning comparison in this RE....it's apples and oranges.

I posted this on the other blog, didn't realize there is a new one.
That article is garbage.

Are you kidding?? Declining performance 4700 yds and 33 TD's really??? That's declining??

When is the last time that we had a QB with those stats???

Every QB in the NFL has worse road stats than home stats, and the stats aren't terrible anyway. You must be kidding there!!

Last time I checked this game is a team game and playoff wins honestly to do with the TEAM preparation, rarely is a team carried by one player....

The age issue could be argued from a historical perspective, however, we are talking about statistically and arguably the best QB in the history of the league. He is capable of running ANY offense, and he recognizes EVERY defense. He can audible at the LOS and can make any throw. The league protects these guys like they are gold!!

There are a minimum of 12 teams that are confirmed as interested in PM. These are league professionals....why do think that there is so much interest???

Because the league doesn't believe what some of the sports writers do!!

The only worry, is the size and structure of the contract.

Posted by: greth | March 08, 2012 at 11:40 AM

You're right Wolfman, because Manning is roughly 5,000 times better than Brees. Now, at age 36.

I don't mind if we sign Manning as long as we use a high pick on a QB as well. This is probably not going to happen though.

My preference would be Manning goes to the Redskins, Flynn signs with the Browns. This leaves us as the Rams best option to trade the #2 pick and we get it cheap (two first rounders for the #2) and take RGIII.

and this too...

We have been rebuilding for 4 years, with FA it is expected that you win within 4 years. We ARE a win now team, we are NOT rebuilding for 4 more years!!

We need a QB that can be effective now, and we need to develop another. Or we need a rookie that can play like a veteran, and I don't trust any of them!!

BIG 12 QB's are ALWAYS overrated and with more than 20 of them in the league over the past 15 years, history has not been kind, even to the highly regarded ones!!

Posted by: greth | March 08, 2012 at 11:58 AM

Peyton don't need Saturday or R. Wayne. Marshall ia better than Wayne and Pouncey as capable and much younger than Saturday.

greth - Yeah....nothing say "win now" more than firing your HC and brining in a rookie HC.

I have no confidence Philbin can do the job.

No balls:

Problem is.

A) Manning won't go to the Redskins, same division as bro., and Shanny is a joke.

B) I could see the Browns with Flynn, however, I think they will be holding out for RGIII.

C) If the Rams get their way, it is going to require more than 2 first rounders.

The one to compare is Joe Montana...exact same age...exact same situation, leaving his only team after 10+ HOF years.

Montana got them to the AFC title game, but ran into a buzz saw called the Buffalo Bills in their prime.

The only knock on Manning is he has a poor record in the playoffs...and that's even when he was in his prime!

We may make the playoffs with Manning..but taking home the Lombardi trophy is 10 times harder.

Wolfman:

You think this team needs to be rebuilt or better coached?

Wolf, in my opinion, this team needs to worry about being a winner long term. Wanna put fans in the seats? Build a long term winner! When you have a winning team, people will come regardless of who the QB is.

Why put everything on pause to watch a great regular season & below average post season QB try to relive his past glory?

Also, signing Manning will put Philbin at a major disadvantage. New coaches usually want to build their own team around their own QB. Sparano was even afforded that luxury.

Philbin is getting stuck with a roster he had no hand in shaping and a QB he will be forced to work with by his owner. All because of the naive & short sighted vision of the owner & GM. What new coach wants to take a job & acquire an old qb he can't work with in the future?

Typical Miami mistake. Not surprising to me. I'm not a hater, just calling em as I see em.

At the same time, if all these neck surgeries are true, Peyton should do well to sign with a Team that can protect him and has a better offensive line than ours. And that it doesn't run a West Coast offense.

Follow the original plan,forget about Manning ( he never was in the original plan )...this will be wrong for the future of the organization, if P.M. is in good health the Colts never release him.

Captain Obvious:

A number of coaches have been successful without picking their own roster.

Tomlin, Gruden, Harbaugh and Harbaugh, Rex, Fox, Caldwell.....

You Miami fans ARE JUST AMAZING.... no wonder this city sucks so bad!!!!...... always complaining and being SO negative....!!! We are on the verge of possibly getting ONE OF THE BEST PLAYER EVER TO PLAY THIS GAME and you are complaining cause he is 36!!!!!...... I think another guy by the name of JOHN ELWAY WON 2 SUPER BOWLS RIGHT AROUND THAT AGE!!!! AND HE IS NOT EVEN CLOSE TO MANNING TALENT!!!! SO YOU BETTER PRAY WE GET MANNING OR WE WILL SUCK FOR ANOTHER 25 YEARS.... LOL

I for one, hope coach get his wish, acquiring players through the draft and reward your own free-agents, is the way to go. Matt Flynn, should be the only free agent signing. Personally, I rather go with Moore & Devlin.
Remember people, even Manning was drafted. Dolphans, who think, that, the Dolphins are a QB away from the Super Bowl, are Delusional, like "Rex Ryan". Bringing Manning in, will set coach Philbin's program back, before it even begins.

Why does signing peyton manning make us a doormat for a decade after he retires? Brett retired on the jets and Vikings and the jets made two afc championship games immediately following and the Vikings drafted his successor one year later and are on the road to recovery already?
As for the Vikings & Jets, they SHOWED the willingness to gamble & take a big leap on a young talent. When has Miami done that?
They have the opportunity to do so this year & they are going to chase old man Manning.
Surely, you can connect those dots too, right?
Posted by: LOL | March 08, 2012 at 11:46 AM

Not sure what those staements are meant to suggest but I think the Jets have won not because of Sanchez but because of the other pieces on the team and as far as Christain Ponder in Minnesota, in my own opinion, they are far from relevancy and the book is not written one way or the other on Ponder.

Greth, I'm genuinely curious about something! What is it about consecutive 7-9, 7-9 & 6-10 seasons that screams to you we are a win now team?

Just because people "say" you should be ready to win after 4 years, doesn't mean you are. When you look at our recent win loss records, It's OBVIOUS this team isn't ready!

Manning will prop it up but he'll be long gone by the time this team challeneges for a SB.

captain:

Maybe we did only win 6 games last year. We also lost many leads and we lost 6 games by 3 points or less.

Historically those teams nearly always make a run the next year.

Dolphins are close.

Coaching not to lose, and conservative playcalling cost us victories, we have some talent with a top 10 defense!

They must DRAFT a QB, period.

Tannehill likely that guy. Stupid to sell the farm for RGIII. Luck is going to Indy, nothing short of him being arrested before the draft will change that.

Manning is the stop gap needed to sell seats while the draftee is developed. Manning is required in this equation.

That's how it was done in GB. Drafted Aaron Rodgers, let him develop behind Favre for a few years.

Wolfman:
You think this team needs to be rebuilt or better coached?
Posted by: greth | March 08, 2012 at 12:07 PM

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I'm saying that most teams who are in "win now" mode do not fire their HC and replace with a rookie HC. Generally speaking, new regimes mean new everything....maybe not a bottom up rebuild, but usually some major renovations taking place.

I have no problem with them going after Manning (though I have my doubts as to the success it will bring)....but it goes against their actions thus far to replace fat Tony with a rookie HC tht is completely changing the offense and defensive schemes. That doesn't generally fit with a "win now" mentality.

In a nut shell, Ross and Ireland have NO rudder...no long term plan....this ship is simply floundering around at sea. They're just hoping Manning can get them to shore with their bank accounts in tact.

Not sure what those staements are meant to suggest but I think the Jets have won not because of Sanchez but because of the other pieces on the team and as far as Christain Ponder in Minnesota, in my own opinion, they are far from relevancy and the book is not written one way or the other on Ponder.
Posted by: rpnp | March 08, 2012 at 12:13 PM

The latter statement was meant to suggest this:

Jets & Vikes traded up to get their future QB. They paid a steep price but, they did it.

Miami is is the exact same situation right now & what are they doing? Chasing a 36 year old instead of looking to the future.

Make sense now?

Yeah, that's true. I remember in 1966 and when George Wilson was coaching here, if they got 20.000 People in the OB, was a lot. Even with Flipper sleeping in his tank.

"Very few good, healthy players become Free Agents".
Where does Flynn fit in?

Nowhere in my post was i comparing Brees signing to a potential Peyton signing. I was just saying that a successful team uses all avenues available at its' disposal to build a winner. Free agency is one of those.

I just used Brees as an example of a franchise changing free agent acquisition and not someone who was drafted by said team.

I am not stupid and know Peyton is not a long term solution but outside of RG3, he would be the best aacquisition for the organization. I do not object to this move and see the many reasons it makes sense.

Some people point to the age, some to the health as to why it definitely WILL NOT. Yet, we have examples of qbs his age that are currently successful and have been successful in the past. And as far as health, he's apparently made great strides and will continue to get better. None of you here are an MD or are qualified to speak on that matter with any authority and your opinions at best are pure speculation. None of you are Peyton's doctors nor have had the opporunity to chart his progress or be able to intelligently be able to forecast his future effectiveness.

Analogies to Farve are senseless.


Farve did not have 4 neck surgeries late in his career.

Farve never has an issue with nerve regeneration.

Farve never had to take a full season off because he couldn't throw the football.

captain:
Maybe we did only win 6 games last year. We also lost many leads and we lost 6 games by 3 points or less.
Historically those teams nearly always make a run the next year.
Dolphins are close.
Posted by: greth | March 08, 2012 at 12:16 PM

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That was the exact logic going into the 2010 season....and the 2011 season.

If Manning can play, he will most definitely improve the team, I have no doubts about that. I do have doubts in RE to superbowls, etc. I mean c'mon...the Phins had arguably the best QB ever in Dan Marino and sniffed the SB once. Manning in his 14 years has been to the SB twice, with one win....so magically, he comes to Miami and we're SB bound for the next 2 years. Give me a break. The Phins have holes that not even Manning can mask.

In a nut shell, Ross and Ireland have NO rudder...no long term plan....this ship is simply floundering around at sea. They're just hoping Manning can get them to shore with their bank accounts in tact.

Posted by: wolfman13 | March 08, 2012 at 12:18 PM

Precisely. A team ready to win now replaces the entire coaching staff? In this regimes 5th year we're on our 2nd HC, 3rd o coordinator & 3rd D coordinator.

And it's not because they moved on to better jobs or HC gigs, they were fired because they stunk. Nolan the exception.

Win Now with this history? You have to be seriously lacking upstairs to believe that mantra. No offense to anyone.


Wolfman:

I gave you a number of examples of "rookie" head coaches who walked into a team that was already built and had some instant success.

I would argue, that the Dolphins are nearly a blue print of the 49ers. Singletary coached exactly like Sparano. Drafted 2 first round OL. Rely heavily on defense and a decent running game. Some receiving talent....Below average QB

49ers were 5-11, then rookie head coach turned the same pieces into a 14-3 team.....

"Very few good, healthy players become Free Agents".
Where does Flynn fit in?
Posted by: PhucYu | March 08, 2012 at 12:20 PM

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He doesn't

Only way I trade up for RG3 is if we give the Rams our #8 this year and a 2nd next year. That's it.

Peyton Manning would be the best player to ever wear a Dolphin uniform.

I am an M.D., Toronto, although a Psychiatrist. Always at your service.

Flynn and Tannehill are acorns. Waste of time. Try thinking instead of letting headlines think for you.

LOL, neither the Jets nor the Vikings gave up a historically large bounty like what would be asked of Miami - somehwere in the region of five decent draft picks. So please, don't compare. If it was me, I'd still do it and start this thing from scratch but I can also understand if they go the other way with Manning and reset when the entire roster gets older in a few years.

And by the way, guys named wolfman, LOL, and Captain Obvious, and others think it can be a bad idea, but guys named Jimmy Johnson and Tony Dungy with several rings (and 12 unnamed current EMPLOYED PROFESSIONALS) think it's a good idea. Hmm, wonder who's opinion I should follow ...

hahaa, pffff

I agree with Philbin all great teams build from the draft, but I can't take another season of 6-8.

Pick up Manning. Sign a FA RT, and draft a QB second Round to learn from Manning.

Peyton Manning MAY be a good fix for 3-4 years with the Dolphins at best. The risk for the team is his health after three serious neck surgeries after being past his prime plus how it will impact getting players that the Dolphins really need. I'd rather build the team over the long-term with the stockpiling of draft picks mixed in with the right young free agents and winning trades over getting caught up with the emotionalism and media drama where Peyton Manning will play.

Psychiatrist, hhhmm, I may need to reach out ...

I don't have a high opinion of any of the BIG 12 QB's (maybe the exception of RGIII), but giving up the world to get him.......??????? Tannehill and Weeden, I don't see it.

Here is a repost about the BIG12 in the BIG LEAGUES!!


Not a chance that the 'fins trade the entire draft.

History is not a kind indicator for the BIG12 QB's. These are their QB's that have been drafted into the NFL in the past 15 years +/-. May have left someone off of the list, feel free to add to it.

Many of these guys have seriously inflated numbers because the BIG12 doesn't play defense and all of the offenses are spread.

Their pro stock is high, and then they fail to produce at the NFL level.

Sam Bradford, OU; Heisman Winner (jury is out??)
Colt McCoy, Texas; Many awards (doesn't look too good)
Brad Smith, MO; (wide receiver)
Michael Bishop, Kansas State
Reggie McNeal, Texas A&M
Stephen McGee, Texas A&M
Josh Huepel, OU; Heisman runner up, AP player of the year (dolphins wasted pick)
Blaine Gabbert, MO; Combine freak 4.61 40yd, 34in vert., 10'broad, 42wondelic
Jason White, :Heisman winner
Eric Crouch, Nebraska : Heisman winner (ouch)
Vince Young, Texas : Heisman winner (head case)
Sage Rosenfels, Iowa St.
Seneca Wallace, Iowa St.
Chris Simms, Texas
Koy Detmer, Colorado
Josh Freeman, Kansas St (looked terrible this year)
Sage Rosenfels, Iowa St.

History doesn't look good for these guys.

RGIII, Baylor
Brandon Weeden, OSU
Ryan Tannehill, Texas A&M
Posted by: greth | March 01, 2012 at 10:39 AM

I agree with Philbin all great teams build from the draft, but I can't take another season of 6-8.

Posted by: Dolfdan13 | March 08, 2012 at 12:31 PM

Uhhh, it was 6-10.

Uff, so many variables here. It is true that if Peyton were to be traded, the Team acquiring him would have to give the Colts at least 2 #1picks. That is not the case. We can assume that at this moment, he is worth at least, 28 mill. Uff.

Lets read between the lines shall we.

"He said there's going to be a Peyton Manning fund you guys can contribute to on the way out the door."

#That means Ross is not going to get into a bidding war with any other team for a 36 year old QB.

The more I look at this team the more holes I see. What has Ireland been doing for the last 5 years? Philbin just said we need an order of everything with fries and a supersized Texas Sweet Tea.

We need a QB, a better OLine, a better DLine, and better DB's. That's just the main stuff we need. He didn't even address the special teams needs. Heck, we probably need all new water boys.

BLOW THIS THING UP AND LETS START OVER WITH RGIII! I don't need to waste anymore draft picks under Ireland to know we cannot build through the draft only. We need a QB and hit the FA market. Now is the time to get RGIII because of the rookie salary cap. Won't even kill us moneywise if he doesn't pan out. Hashtag Sell the Farm for one magic bean.

Mark, the point isn't how much those teams gave up or had to pay. It's that they were smart enough to say enough of the short term fixes.

I think what matters more is that those teams realized they needed to make the move to build for the future & weren't afraid to do so. They put a plan in place.

What's Miami's plan? Wait for a QB to fall out of the sky every few years to be relevant? Wonderful! The Dolphins, regardless of all the evidence to the contrary, think a 36 year can get them somewhere.

I'm saying, if you look at the reality of the situation, it's just prolonging the inevitable. Which is, bringing in your own guy to build around.

but guys named Jimmy Johnson and Tony Dungy with several rings (and 12 unnamed current EMPLOYED PROFESSIONALS) think it's a good idea. Hmm, wonder who's opinion I should follow ...

hahaa, pffff

Posted by: Mark in Toronto | March 08, 2012 at 12:31 PM

Mark, maybe you should not follow an opinion and do your own research. Jimmy Johnson said during the draft that Oakland needed a franchise QB and had to absolutely take Jamarcus Russell.

Now what you got to say?

greth - I think you're confusing the point. I never said a rookie HC couldn't be successfull...couldn't win. My point was that generally speaking, a team that replaces it's entire coaching staff is generally not in "win now" mode. They are in a retooling/rebuilding mode.

Harbaugh wasn't hired in a win now mode....pretty much everyone thought it would take him 3-4 years to put all of the pieces together.

Tomlin came into a Steelers organization that was well established. They did not replace the whole coaching staff....just the HC...the system was already in place.

Conversely, Miami didn't bring in Philbin and say, "welcome...and by the way, this is the system you'll be running." He was hired to implement a completely different system.

All I'm saying is that the actions of management in firing the entire coaching staff and then hiring a rookie HC and then saying, "we're in win now mode" fly in the face of each other.

Like I said, they're completely rudderless.

That's the most honest commentary I have read on this matter and from Dolfdan13. I, ALSO, do not want to go thru another 7-9 Season.

I like Philbin. I think he sees things the way I would hope he would.
He's not stupid enough to fight Ross on Manning, but he would prefer to handle things the way he expected they would allow he to handle them.
I think he thought that he and Ireland would hash out personnel, obviously ireland has the final say, but Philbin would expect Ireland's ear. Those two probably came to an equitable agreement where they stood on their philosophies and wishes for personnel, and thought "we're on the same page, this will work out", and Philbin took the job.
Then Ross stepped in.
A la Al Davis/Jerry Jones/Snyder.
The game has changed.
Gosh I hope this works, because it may cause some seriously harmful ripples if not.
God bless him, it's not Peyton's fault, but wherever he goes, he'll probably cause dissention.
Jets? Denver? Cards? All have bigime QB investments, and would destroy whatever they were building with their young QBs, and maybe their OCs. It's a business, and it's just the way it goes, but it will be a circus wherever he goes.
Fins are no different.
I hope to heck this works.

Dungy said Tebow would be a sure fire winner in the NFL and he can't even throw the football. Elway can't even say Tebow is a franchise QB, Denver has stated they are seeking at least 2 QBs. Some sure fire winner Tebow is.


JJ was wrong.
Dungy was wrong.

I'm with you Mark in Toronto........

This blog is depressing me today.

LOL, I agree but each year needs to be looked at in a vacuum. Last year, the Dolphins could've/should've drafted a qb - Andy Dalton and Ryan Mallett were right there for the taking and I was a big Mallett booster personally and was sick when Ireland let him pass twice.

Now this year, the price for RG3 (my personal favourite this year) may be too high. If that is the decision than I hope the solution you are happy with versus Peyton Manning is Matt Flynn, Ryan Tannehill, Kirk Cousins, Brandon Weedon, etc.

I don't see how any of those guys listed are a sure bet to have even one or two seasons as goo as the ones Peyton will most likely have in the next two to three years.

Miami is paying for passing on a qb when they should've addressed it last year. And this year, peyton is most likely the best option after RG3.

In a nut shell, Ross and Ireland have NO rudder...no long term plan....this ship is simply floundering around at sea. They're just hoping Manning can get them to shore with their bank accounts in tact.

Posted by: wolfman13 | March 08, 2012 at 12:18 PM

Precisely. A team ready to win now replaces the entire coaching staff? In this regimes 5th year we're on our 2nd HC, 3rd o coordinator & 3rd D coordinator.

And it's not because they moved on to better jobs or HC gigs, they were fired because they stunk. Nolan the exception.

Win Now with this history? You have to be seriously lacking upstairs to believe that mantra. No offense to anyone.


Posted by: Captain Obvious | March 08, 2012 at 12:26 PM


OK. How do you guys know what their plan is??

They were saddled with Parcells guys, who by all admissions were dinosaurs and not relevant in todays NFL.

So yes, 2nd head coach, Mike Nolan left on his own volition. Paul Pasqualoni and Dan Henning were jokes to start with.

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