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Dolphins are still in Manning sweepstakes

This morning I did my usual round of texting/emailing/begging to my Dolphins and other NFL sources. And the question du jour (that means today) had to do with ESPN's constant reports that the Dolphins are down and nearly out of the Peyton Manning sweepstakes.

I reported to you over the weekend that Miami is in lockdown mode on the information and informed sources front. And there is two ways to take this approach.

It is either good news because it means the team is shutting down as to not hurt any possibility of getting Manning -- a possibility that still exists. Or ...

It means the club has locked down because Manning has swatted them aside like a gnat and Miami is simply trying to mask the embarrassment.

So I asked my sources if it's fair to believe lockdown mode is a sign the club is still in the game for No. 18 and doesn't want to hurt those chances.

"Fair," one source responded.

"Correct," another source responded.

There you go, folks. The Dolphins are still in the Manning sweepstakes. It is not over after Manning's trips to Denver and Arizona.

Doesn't mean the Dolphins will get Manning. But there is still hope.

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@XpensiveWino
harbaugh was already signing with the 49er by the time we got to him. and fisher wanted to come here but we wouldn't give him complete control , and thank god that guy cant win and sucks as a coach, and who says manning doesn't want to come here Maybe we are the reason why he hasn't decided yet. Cause we dont want him!!! he had his boy try to convince us to sign him (reggie wayne) but it didnt work .. Manning is a after thought ... we will look at him but thats about it ... we wanna build through the draft or sign Matt Flynn

Jeff Row,
What do think the Dolphins sould do with Pat Devlin. He ran a simalar offense at Delaware that the Dolphins are going to. This could be a break out year for him. I think he has a future, just takes time to mature sometimes in NFL. I think he may be the sleaper in these talks.

If we don't get Manning.......I have a bad feeling whoever does get the job will feel the the red-headed step child that we didn't really want but settled on

@Jeff Row

I'm not wrong.

If you bring in Flynn and Tannehill there is no way you trade Moore. A draft pick would be nice, but he is insurance (though slight) when Flynn turns out to be a huge mistake.

@ JackSparrow

news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1320&dat...id...sjid...

f him.

@dolphin fan in georgia
I dont think Pat Devlin makes the team this year

this reminds me of the jeff fisher and harbaugh chase. elite QB's are going to want a first class FO which we dont have. our GM lacks credibility.

opps sorry JackSparrow .. it wont let me post the link anyway ...
Using a first-round choice on a quarterback is a 50-50 proposition. For every Peyton Manning, there is a Ryan Leaf. For every Donovan McNabb, there is an Akili Smith. For every Drew Bledsoe, there is a Rick Mirer. No wonder front offices sweat and panic when confronted with thoughts of using a first-round choice on a quarterback.It's a 50 percent play for a 60 percent position. The numbers don't necessarily compute. Twenty-two have been taken in the first rounds since 1992. Six have been busts -- Mirer, Heath Shuler, Jim Druckenmiller, Ryan Leaf, Akili Smith and Cade McNown. Dave Brown had early success with the Giants but he ended up being a career backup. The book is still out on Tim Couch in Cleveland. Trent Dilfer and Kerry Collins did their best work on other teams that picked them off the street instead of the two that paid their first-round contracts.Perhaps here is the most telling stat. Of the 14 quarterbacks taken in the top 10 of the past 10 drafts, only half -- seven -- became Pro Bowlers. The most important position in football is a crapshoot, which has made teams such as Cincinnati, Chicago, Arizona, Carolina and Baltimore more defensive than offensive in their thinking.

A bad quarterback decision in the first round of the draft can set a franchise back for years. The Bengals failed on David Klingler and Akili Smith and haven't made the playoffs since 1990. And complications because of the salary cap have only made the decision-making that much more dangerous.

Anyone with options doesn't want to come to maiam because they have to finish ahead of Brady and Belicheck to win the division!!!

If you have options (fisher, harbough, manning) go to a weak division and let the playoffs roll in.

per Bowl 1. Bart Starr (MVP), 2 TDs
Super Bowl 2. Bart Starr (MVP), 1 TD
Super Bowl 3. Joe Namath (MVP), 0 TDs
Super Bowl 4. Len Dawson (MVP), 1 TD
Super Bowl 5. John Unitas (Chuck Howley), 1 TD
Super Bowl 6. Roger Staubach (MVP), 2 TDs
Super Bowl 7. Bob Griese (Jake Scott), 1 TD
Super Bowl 8. Bob Griese (Larry Csonka), 0 TDs
Super Bowl 9. Terry Bradshaw (Franco Harris), 1 TD
Super Bowl 10. Terry Bradshaw (Lynn Swann), 2 TDs
Super Bowl 11. Ken Stabler (Fred Biletnikoff), 1 TD
Super Bowl 12. Roger Staubach (Harvey Martin & Randy White), 0 TDs
Super Bowl 13. Terry Bradshaw (MVP), 4 TDs
Super Bowl 14. Terry Bradshaw (MVP), 2 TDs
Super Bowl 15. Jim Plunkett (MVP), 3 TDs
Super Bowl 16. Joe Montana (MVP), 1 TD
Super Bowl 17. Joe Theismann (John Riggins), 2 TDs,
Super Bowl 18. Jim Plunkett (Marcus Allen), 1 TD
Super Bowl 19. Joe Montana (MVP), 3 TDs
Super Bowl 20. Jim McMahon (Richard Dent), 0 TDs
Super Bowl 21. Phil Simms (MVP), 3 TDs
Super Bowl 22. Doug Williams (MVP), 4 TDs
Super Bowl 23. Joe Montana (Jerry Rice), 2 TDs
Super Bowl 24. Joe Montana (MVP), 5 TDs
Super Bowl 25. Jeff Hostetler (Ottis Anderson), 1 TD
Super Bowl 26. Mark Rypien (MVP), 2 TDs
Super Bowl 27. Troy Aikman (MVP), 4 TDs
Super Bowl 28. Troy Aikman (Emmitt Smith), O TDs
Super Bowl 29. Steve Young (MVP), 6 TDs
Super Bowl 30. Troy Aikman (Larry Brown), 1 TD
Super Bowl 31. Brett Favre (Desmond Howard), 2 TDs
Super Bowl 32. John Elway (Terrell Davis), 0 TDs
Super Bowl 33. John Elway (MVP), 1 TD
Super Bowl 34. Kurt Warner (MVP), 2 TDs
Super Bowl 35. Trent Dilfer (Ray Lewis), 1 TD
Super Bowl 36. Tom Brady (MVP), 1 TD
Super Bowl 37. Brad Johnson (Dexter Jackson), 2 TDs
Super Bowl 38. Tom Brady (MVP), 3 TDs
Super Bowl 39. Tom Brady (Deion Branch), 2 TDs
Super Bowl 40. Ben Roethlisberger (Hines Ward), 0 TDs
Super Bowl 41. Peyton Manning (MVP), 1 TD
Super Bowl 42. Eli Manning (MVP), 2 TDs
Super Bowl 43: Ben Roethlisberger (Santonio Holmes), 1 TD
Super Bowl 44: Drew Brees (MVP), 2 TDs
Super Bowl 45: Aaron Rogers
Super Bowl 46: Eli Manning

The only ones on this list not first round are Brady, Favre, Montana, Brees, Warner, Hostetler,Theisman, Stabler, Rypien, Starbauch, Unitis, Starr

Drafted round 2 through whatever
Brady,
Warner
Favre,
Johnson,
Montana,
Brees,
Hostetler,
Theisman,
Stabler,
Rypein,
Starbauch,
Unitis,
Starr

Drafted FIRST ROUND
Namath
Dawson
Griese
Bradshaw
Stabler
Plunkett
Simms
Williams
McMahon
Aikman
Elway
Dilfer
Big Ben
Manning, P
Manning, E
Rodgers


Google my nuts. Proof is right here

If we get manning and the fins actually keep mum on this process that would be quite shocking and refreshing

@JackSparrow
so you made my point! 15 superbowl winning qb's haven't been 1st round picks , and 16 were ... thats 50-50

I guess now Jeff Row wants to add Matt Flynn to the HOF.

The only predictor of a superbowl winning team is if they have a first round drafted QB. OVER HALF of all superbowls won were won with a first round QB.

So again Mr. Row. Are you now adding Matt Flynn to the likes of Tom FK Brady, Brett FK Favre and Joe FK Montana?

We already have a top 10 QB who knows how to find the endzone and win: Matt Moore. He's 27 and poised for a breakout year.

Im not adding nobody to the HOF ... you are! you just made my point that half of the superbowl winning q/b's weren't first round picks :)

I hope the dolphins walk away with something. Missed on the 2nd pick in this years draft. Waiting on somebody that is most likely not coming to Miami. And if they wait anymore they will miss Flynn.........FRUSTRATED as a fan

Manning is not coming to the Fins because he's not comfortable with Ross & Ireland.
Just like Harbaugh & Fisher, they smelled a rat and bolted for the door.

We all know Philbin's strategy is to build via the draft, so my question is:

Flynn or Tannehill?

I watched video of last years Baylor vs A&M game and guess what?
Tannehill was the better QB on the field that day, beating out some guy named Griffin(yes that guy).

So, IMO...we move on from Peyton, pass on Flynn and draft Tannehill @ #8 so Philbin & Sherman can mold him into their system, not the other way around.

do the math again. In my haste, I listed some, then resorted it. I'm not talking superbowls. I'm talking QB's. Some QB's won multiple superbowls. So let me repost.

ROUND 1
Namath
Dawson
Griese
Bradshaw
Stabler
Plunkett
Simms
Williams
McMahon
Aikman
Elway
Dilfer
Big Ben
Manning, P
Manning, E
Rodgers

ROUND 2 OR LATER
Brady,
Warner
Favre,
Johnson,
Montana,
Brees,
Hostetler,
Theisman,
Stabler,
Rypein,
Starbauch,
Unitis,
Starr

and the most recent qb's that won the superbowl weren't first round picks ..Brady , Drew brees.... only recent qb that won a superbowl has Manning

@NHFINSFAN
manning isn't coming to miami because we haven't tried to get him ... Why? because they dont want him .. the only people that want him are some dolphin fans!

NH, that's how it should be done. If that's what they do let's hope Sherman/Tannehill have better results than at A&M. Let's also hope the Dolphins give them room to develop the player. But if it takes too long, in this town, with our history, I'm not so sure they'll be given enough rope to succeed.

Jack....every QB on both those list were well regarded coming out of college.

Flynn was not, he was an afterthought on every teams big board on draft day.

The ONLY exception to that list is Brady, everyone else was highly touted coming out of college.

Again, Flynn was not high on anyone's board...Tannehill is.

You make the call: Tannehill or Flynn?

I remember a recent 1st-round QB who won the SB. His name was Aaron Rodgers. Also MVP of the league last year.

@JackSparrow
AGAIN YOU MADE MY POINT THAT HALF THE QB'S THAT HAVE WON SUPERBOWLS HAVEN'T BEEN FIRST ROUNDERS!

JackSparrow,
First of all, Tannehill is rumored to possibly go to Cleveland. He may not even be available. Dolphins can't risk taking a chance on that. They have to go after Flynn if Philbin sees him as being the real deal. My point is we have an advantage over most teams in the coaching staff has worked with alot of the options available. Dolphins are in good shape to bring in the best option to run a pretty good offense.

I'd go for Tannehill over Flynn, but to say flynn isn't a superbowl Q/B is like saying you have a crystal ball! ...he has been givin' a chance yet ... maybe he is the next brady? .. we dont know the only games he has played in the nfl ... 2 he has won ... and i think in college he won a national title.

Jeff...yea, but MOST WERE 2nd ROUNDERS!

Flynn was in the 7th round!

Besides the exception known as Tom Brady...who is the superbowl winning QB NOT drafted in the 1st or 2nd round?

Meant he HASN'T been givin' the chance yet

jeff row, you asked who in the fins organization has ever said they wanted manning and that it was just a media and fan thing? apparently you missed the team OWNER has made it clear they want manning. that would indicate it is more than a fan/media based hype.

My point was you claimed most weren't first rounds. Then wrote in all caps YOU'RE WRONG! Do you're homework before you write in all caps again.

when did he say that KEVIN? I dont remember him saying that? and he doesnt decide who the team gets ..if he did he wouldn't of hired a coach and a GM.

@JackSparrow
I can do anything i want ...and im not wrong ...HALF THE Q/B's WEREN'T FIRST ROUND PICKS now do your homework :)

Here is the real point. If you are first round the likely hood of you being on a superbowl winning team is higher than if you were drafted in mix rounds. In other words. Its a crap shoot when drafted rounds 2 through whatever. Its a key indicator of superbowl victory if you are drafted in the first round.

7th round is backup money. I would try the kid out for backup money. Not Drew Brees money.

JackSparrow
Name the one QB that wasn't drafted in NFL draft and first year he started in NFL went 2-14.

wrong Jack over half the Q/b's drafted in the first round were bust

Kurt Warner?

Look Jack I'm not sold on Flynn .. but to say he isn't a superbowl Q/B you dont know .

In other words, When the Dolphins are in Lockdown, Jeff Ireland hides under this desk because Stephan Ross is in town to give Ireland a good spanking.

Ok, I promised I'd stop getting into this POINTLESS conversation, but these people make me NUTS.

THE EFFING LEAGUE HAS CHANGED. It's now a QB-driven league. So going back to the 90's and 80's to cherry pick some facts is tells you ABSOLUTELY NOTHING about winning in TODAY'S NFL environment.

Just in the last decade, 6 out of 10 QBs were 1st-rd picks. One (Brees) was the FIST QB TAKEN IN THE SECOND ROUND. Go ahead and use him as an example of a non-1st round QB if you like, but it's so weak to be laughable (yes, technically true, but doesn't make ANY argument anyone's trying to make with it). Brady won twice, so there's your once in a lifetime exception (there, you happy). The last QB was Brad Johnson (in the journeyman category).

So you have Brees, Brady and Johnson. And some jokers REALLY want to push the notion that NOT taking a 1st-rd QB is somehow prudent? Or some type of HELPFUL strategy. This is exactly why this team HAS NOT been relevant in over a decade. Because RIDICULOUS assumptions like this.

QB is the most important position on the field. The NFL has basically told the teams they want to see TDs and will give the QB (and offense) all the leverage in the World to increase scoring, and the passing game has opened up SO MUCH that Marino's 30 (that's THIRTY) YEAR RECORD was broken (by almost 3 QBs this year). But some people too smart by half don't think you should actively try to get the players deemed having the most potential.

Here's why these yahoo's NEVER point out. What's the likelihood of making the Playoffs (or SB) with a NON-1st-rd QB. I tell you, WORSE THAN HALF.

So there's the dousing of Truth to your false assumptions. If you want a franchise QB, to take you to the Playoffs and hopefully the SB, the best place to Draft them is STILL THE FIRST-ROUND! PERIOD.

I would be surprised if Matt Flynn would sign with the Dolphins. Mr Ross has made the Dolphins a laughing stock, what franchise QB would sign here, and today thats the good news. Dolphins dont need Manning as much as Manning dont need the Dolphins. Think, young, hungry, non injured, strong armed QB. Flynn, altho I thik he would run from Ireland/Ross, Tannehill, maybe Wheelen, but NOT a Manning. Lets stay with Moore and wait till next yr. Dolphins are not going to the playoffs next yr no matter what they do this yr.

Maybe they already made their choice .. and it isnt Manning Dolfdan13... ever though of that .Reggie Wanye couldn't even talk them into it.

6 out of the last 10 SB-winning QBs (didn't point that out in the last post).

Hint - He failed with first team and had to sit under a legend bofore going on to be a MVP Super Bowl QB.

DF from Georgia,

My point is this. all caps coming. WHY ARE WE PUTTING AN UNPROVEN 7TH ROUND DRAFT PICK ON SUCH A HIGH PEDESTAL?

Everybody is like. If we can't get Manning lets get the second best FA QB in the league named Matt Flynn. Is there no one in between those two?

I'd rather go with Moore before I paid Matt Flynn anything more than backup money. All roads are leading to giving this chucklehead some kind of Big Time contract for nothing. That's the Miami way.

His name is

Steve Young

yeah and the reason they broke marinos record was cause the league changed the rules after he retired to make it easier for W/R to get open ...... and they made it harder for teams W/R's to get open the year after marino made the record ... look that up jack! LOL

Dear Fans,
Did you see what Washington gave up to get RGIII? Three first round picks and a second round pick?! Can you believe it! What a joke of an organization that is. There is no way our beloved Dolphins would give up a king's random to draft a QB. We really aren't that desperate! We have future HOF QB Chad Henne signed to a contract at least until 3:59PM tomorrow. In fact, he is in the building right now. We are catching up on old times. What a guy! And how did you guys like that acorn Matt Moore we found? We will continue to look for acorns at every turn.

Love,

Jeff

P.S. Does anyone have Peyton's phone# or know if he is back in town? I have been trying to reach him but he won't return my calls. Not sure why... Doesn't he know we are interested?

P.S.S. If he isn't interested in us, we are not interested in him!

I think you are missing Jeff's point. You never know what a QB can or can not do until they are given the oppurtunity. Flynn has won a national championship and has worked in the west coast offense. When given an oppurtunity he has shined. Like that or not, facts are fact.

I guess Garrard is out of the question also?

Who was our QB the last time we were in the playoffs?

Well that would be Chad Pennington - 18th Pick in the FIRST ROUND of the 1999 draft.

Nuf said.............

Jeff row, do you make stats up as you go along? Since 2004 alone, 6 super bowls have been son by first round qbs. First round qbs are not the exclusive rule but they are the general majority when it comes to success. Anyone who argues against first round picks is arguing for going against the trend and that is a recipe for failure in all walks of life, not just football.

HOW THE F did I see this coming from miles away! This will be another black eye for this organization!

Make the Manning signing happen!!!

Manning seems to be more scammer than quarterback. Expect the team 'lucky' enough to end up paying his huge salary to develop a massive case of hemorrhoid flare-ups. The Colts must be having a huge laugh!

What QB available except Manning brings that resume. Flynn is 10 years younger than Manning. Jack name all the QB's that were first rounders and flopped. I think you will find more have failed then suceeded.

PFT talk reporting:

Manning not expected to visit any more teams

Posted by Evan Silva on March 12, 2012, 9:44 AM EDT

AP
The Peyton Manning tour was fun while it lasted.

According to ESPN’s Adam Schefter, it’s over.........


Manning won’t be taking any more free agent visits. Schefter explained that Manning “does not want to make this into a Reggie White tour,” and is already familiar with the Dolphins’ facility because the Colts used it during their two Super Bowl appearances in Miami..............

This organization can screw up a wet dream! What an embarassment.

At this point i hope we do not go after MF this would be a mistake he is not the elite QB people think. Don't waste the time or money. Build up the rest of the team and look to get a QB in the draft next year.

Resign Henne and let he and MM compete for the starting job.

you may have a lot of money Ross, but you are clueless when it comes to football.

i could do a better job of running this team with out any knowledge of NFL football.

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